The main benefits of bidirectional charging has to V2H .Charging during off peak and then using that power during peak hours. ID 4 battery has a capacity to power an average home for 3 days. !
This has to be a game changer. At my golf club we have 15 golf carts with Lithium batteries. Occasionally we suffer a power cut due to being out in the countryside and on a windy day a tree branch takes out a power line. If the 15 golf cart batteries were reverse wired to the club on such days we could get by for a few hours. The power company most times are pretty good and the power is back on within a few hours. With 15 golf carts we could avoid ever having a power problem. (Assuming we applied some imagination!) This is a great idea which will for sure become the norm in the future.
V2H and V2G are two different things. V2G must sync up with the grid frequency, phase, and voltage (like a solar inverter). No EV, to my knowledge, currently does this. V2H does not need to do as above, but would need a gateway, interlock, disconnect, or transfer switch to take the home off-grid. Think powering a house during a grid outage.
For five years I've lived outside, mixture of public spaces / inside a car / couchsurfing / housesitting, and saved enough to buy a BYD or similar and the V2L functionality is a game changer for me. Plans to run an airfryer off the car, to cook dinner - it's been so long between hot cooked meals that would really improve my quality of life.
V2L makes a lot of sense and I plan to add this to my next EV. True V2H is when your home is totally off the utility grid which makes sense. V2G is when your vehicle's source (ie battery) is paralleled to the utility grid. This becomes much more expensive and complicated. Presently I am working on projects in my company where EV school busses supply power back to the grid from 12-2 pm and 5-8 pm each weekday. This is a big saving to the school system because they no longer have to pay peak rates during those times which are typically twice as high as off-peak that run from 12 - 8pm during weekdays. The cost issue is the rewiring of existing buildings and the utility's requirement of approved NRTL products that communicate back to their grid. This is required so you do not feed power back on their grid resulting in one of their workers being shocked.
The possibilities for this are fabulous for the future - imagine a fully electric Ford Transit style work van running electric / battery outside work tools… Leaf blowers, chain saws, lawn mowers, and the rest, most currently using filthy 2 or 4 stroke carburettor based engines which pollute far worse than a modern ‘cleaner’ ice vehicle. Further lowering emissions, and lowering operating costs for small businesses that adopt this approach.
There's another reason for "peaker plants" which is peak shaving. traditional grids have "base load" supplies like coal thermal plants which run at a continuous capacity. If you have an alternative power source supplying the difference between the daily peak load and base load, you can run with less power from those sources which run 24x7 like coal and nuclear. In Brisbane, this is done with a pumped hydro system in the Brisbane ranges. Theoretically, mini grids of cars could supply very short term peaks, which is the sort of thing described in the video. The more cars, the bigger the peak that could be handled.
V2H is great. It puts a need of a home battery in question. I am installing solar soon and have doubts about home battery as EV will do that just fine with massive capacity...
Except people who drive to day jobs have the car away from the solar array through the time when it is generating power. Unless you have a really good deal with your grid, the car won't serve your needs.
Enough Home Battery for 3days safe mode is where I'd start now,then the EV that can be used to collect power from a Charging Station when necessary and Rooftop Solar is the last not least option for independence from you know what.
It is a lot more complicated than just plugging the car into the wall, as you need a special (very expensive) wall box that allows 2 way power then you need an isolation switch that instantly cuts power to the grid should there be a grid power failure and then the charge box needs to be connected to the house power, of course on top of that the EV will have a max current it can supply most seem to max out around 2-3 kw so if your house is pulling 6-8kw like ours sometimes does then the circuit breakers will be tripping non stop. Apart from that all good lol
In the UK it is very unlikly that your EV will act as a black-out device. Most UK installers follow the rules and in the event of a power cut your house even if it has batteries still blacks out. The house needs a special bit of expensive kit that will stop any battery or PV generated electricity going into the grid during a black-out and killing the electrical workers fixing the problem. So yes its easy if you are off-grid but expensive and just not done in the UK ( apart from some remote farmers who can justify the expense. Hope your country is better.
I am still puzzled what is delaying mass market introduction of V2H or V2G. It seems to make so much sense and most energy transition scenarios depend on the energy buffer in EVs. Any thoughts?
Interesting video. Thanks for explaining V2L. Just in case you were not aware the Mercedes EQS supports V2H in Japan using one of the evolving standards. The soon to arrive in Australia Mercedes EQE will support it as well. Another less than ironic fact is that none of the Tesla cars in our market support this technology currently (cynics would say because it would directly impact their PowerWall business)
The biggy for V2L for me is converting electric vans into camper vans. I'd love to know which, if any, eVans offer V2L as tons of people and conversion companies are going to be snapping these up. It's a no-brainer. I've seen a few reviews of the latest eVans but haven't found any yet. I actually have it in my 2016 Nissan ENV200 because the Japanese imports came with built-in 100v sockets, and I plug in a transformer so my eCamper has 240V!
Instead of rooftop PV/PowerWall, an EV (Aptera?) with V2H plug as grid backup. Also, a V2L plug for your portable freezer when buying frozen food in triple digit climbs. Or, for a portable oven when carrying hot food in freezing weather.
Electric Car Side Discharge Plug EV Type2 16A Charger Cable with EU Socket Outdoor Power Station( need car supports V2L). There is a need to find me to understand the product in detail!!
Oct 2024 - I dont thik the E-GMP platform does V2G or V2H it seems to be only V2L so if you are looking for V2G/H look very hard at this platform because you may be dissapointed. Look for proof of a bi-directional charger. The questionable MEB platform seems to over everthing but I dont know if its standard or an opptional extra. Note Ford are now useing the MEB platform and that could be differrent outside of the VW group. OK up-date Tesala have revieled the model 3 and Y have a bidirectional charger, but hadnt been bothered to tell everyone. So KIAs EV9 has a bi-directional charger, we know that, so maybe the EV6 and EV3 has too??? Clarirty from the OEMs would be so nice.
Hei! Looks You forget about old V2L V2V player - BYD? As I know BYD E6 first generation already had V2L, V2V and V2G. I think EA1 have it, probably HAN and TANG too.
V2L, V2H, and V2G are real cool features, might have a few specialist uses; but they arent something 95+% of the owners would ever use, kind of like towing. i had a hitch on a vehicle once and used it 2 times in 8 years, waste of money.
More V2H! I want to install this at my home. We have a 2013 Chevy Volt & 2016 Nissan Leaf, so should be able to run a fair amount of things if the grid goes down. We don't want to buy an expensive battery backup system when we have batteries sitting in our garage. And we want to keep our 10k grid-tied array up while the grid is down. Sure would appreciate more videos on that topic! Thanks!
Power companies already freak out if you have your own generator actually feeding your house and have the circuit "live " to the outside grid, with solar panels and microinverters the law requires the microinverters to shut down when outside grid power is lost.The reason is that maintenance cannot be done on a live system by the power company. So this whole concept of feeding v2l into the grid especially by your neighbors will be very complicated. Just powering your own house not so bad but 3.6kw is not very much power, only some lights, refrigerator, fan but no a/c or hot water heater ( which requires 240vac)..
I couldn't imagine VW doing anything based on consumer requests. It seems their whole ethos is "we know what is right" and you will accept our product without compromise... Yeah - that's why they got left standing stationary while so many other brands (Asian, mainly) kept pushing forward.
I am interested in V2H for EMERGENCY only (hurricane). I hate to say it as a Tesla Model 3 owner, but if Tesla does not address this I may have to look a GM, Kia et al that are serious about offering this!! ELON, are you paying attention!!!!!!!!!!!
If the goal is to have true energy independence, save the planet, and make the most of alternative solar/wind energy then the only system that makes any sense is V2B, a vehicle to a home battery system. V2G, V2L, and V2H is a Red Herring and will not really do anything for powering your house when you have to drive your car to work, go shopping, or travel, which is, let's face it, the real reason you buy a car. The vehicle only needs to supply power to the house battery when there is a shortfall in-home battery capacity or a lackluster day of sun. Vehicle to a battery is the only option that makes real sense and no one is doing it well. I live completely off-grid with a 20 kWh battery pack and 8,000 watts of solar on my roof. I have two mini split ac units and my house, 2 huge refrigerators, lights fans, etc... use propane for water heating, maybe cooking---I use electric induction. During the day 90% of the time I have plenty of power for everything in my house, AC blasting away and the battery is fully charged and stays charged, usually by 11 AM. The problem, when there is one (rarely), is when I need just a little more power at 4 am. With an EV (I currently connect my Hybrid to a Meanwell DBA 3200-48V---programmable 48-volt lithium battery charger which converts 370 Volts to provide occasional power for the charging of the home battery) The car does not become the main source of power, IT'S the backup. Everyone seems to have this all wrong, backward. The car can never be the main source, the stationary home battery is the future house's main power source. Solar charges this battery during the day. You need the car to go to work!!!!! Powering your home from your car, or aiding and abetting the big bad power company, be selling back to them at a price they control and that we're all addicted to, and they like it that way, is idiotic. Power your home stationary battery, only when needed with your vehicle. Throw some solar panels on your roof---they're a bargain. The car is a huge windfall and eliminates the need to buy a much larger stationary battery system, you can get by with powering a normal home usually by using a smaller home battery system and if you need a spare 5-30 kWh of juice, borrow it from your car and still have juice left to drive to work. Whenever your car is home during the day use your excess solar to charge the car! The average trip to work is less than 30 miles, and the average power consumption of a home is 30kWh/day
I pared back my NVVE waiting for earnings tomorrow. I am eyeing Orocobre and LAC. The following percentage is not confirmed: Approximately 85% of world lithium production comes from Chile (SQM, Albemarle), Argentina (Orocobre, Livent) and Australia (Talison Lithium). Talison Lithium Pty Ltd is a private company owned by two companies under a joint venture arrangement Tianqi Lithium Corporation / IGO Limited JV (51%) and Albemarle Corporation (49%). Orocobre recently merged with Galaxy.
Bolivia - 21 million tonnes: With estimates of 21 million tonnes, the country holds about one quarter of the entire global resource - including the world's single-biggest lithium deposit, the Salar de Uyuni salt flat, which is visible from space.Nov 19, 2020
Here in the U.K. some forward thinking energy suppliers are trialling V2H with Nissan Leafs. However, the DNOs have the final say over the operation of such technologies and it seems likely it to be a number of years before V2H is an operational reality.
V2L is a nice niche capability that would be of interest to campers or people who live in Texas. V2G is the basis of a complete move to green energy with cars and V2G making up the deficiency when the wind is low at night. Tesla must be struggling to decide whether to back Powerwall & Megapack or offer V2G for its cars as it aims to become a virtual energy supplier. I hope they make the right decision.
@@rhiantaylor3446 no. V2G is always in sync with the Grid. It won’t send power unless it senses the grid frequency and can lead the phase by a few degrees. V2L will run anything and won’t output if it senses a frequency. V2H and V2G also rely on a special box that disconnects the home from the grid during a power outage or if the grid frequency is way off
Can you tell me if purchasing a BYD Dolphin, which uses CCS charging, would result in not being able to participate in V2H or V2G because the car hasn't been designed to support it?
An EV is a huge battery on wheels. However, that battery is capable of storing electricity and powering electrical appliances we use in the home. In fact most EVs could power a normal household for approx two days. So whats wrong? With powering up the battery with cheap off peak electricity and using it to power the house during the day?
All those v2g has no future, untill new battery with no debradation are created. You would not want to loose 50%of battery capacity because of v2g used..
honestly, i don't know why all electric cars don't come with at least an always on 12V plug or a utility mode where the car can be locked, the screens(lights, ventilation...) are off and it needs to be restarted(with the key present) before it can drive off. i can get my Leaf pretty close to just being on and feeding the 12V but the dash will still be lit, the daytime running lights will be on and while i can trick the car into locking itself, if someone broke in they can just put it in drive and drive off. why would i need this? so i can charge batteries and run a cooler for my drinks.
Why on earth would anybody fork out $10,000 for VTG (which is what it cost when you could buy a Bi-directional charger . Now you cant as there are no Bi-directional chargers approved for Australia) so that the grid can steal your electricity for less than 5c /kw & then charge you 42c or more to buy it back? F-ing nuts. VTH on the other hand might be worthwhile in the future but again $10,000 + installation makes it prohibitive .
Elon might embed Bitcoin into each Tesla vehicle making a Tesla you buy self funding and an income producing asset . What’s your take on this . You really have the best and latest information on everything in the electric vehicle transition Thanks
what ever happened here... over 10 years old ( than god for CHINA) Researchers over at the National Renewable Energy Lab have reportedly made the first solar cell with an external quantum efficiency over 100 percent. ... The NREL team recorded an efficiency topping out at 114 percent, by creating the first working multiple exciton generation (MEG) cell.19 Dec 2011
Electric Car Side Discharge Plug EV Type2 16A Charger Cable with EU Socket Outdoor Power Station( need car supports V2L). There is a need to find me to understand the product in detail!!
Vehicle to load adapters are, it seems to me, a waste of time...better to just put a plug in the car, why require an adapter? Vehicle to grid, on the other hand sounds monumental...each car contributing to a much needed solution. Comments?
Kia EV6 has 3 pin sockets (two). V2G pilots are under way by at least two electric suppliers in UK. Agree it has a lot of potential- with the right control systems
@@tonykelpie other V2G programs use Leaf or Zoe with the DCFC part of ChaDeMo. The inverter is external to the car. It need a power control service (PCS) box to exist at the premises to be able to contribute to the house load
For camping lol you cant use car battery cause you wont have enough power to travel back lol.. those batteries realy cannot travel more than 400km... give me ev that has 1200km real range and then i would use some power to camping
What happens, at the end of a great evening out at a Barby, and you've lit the campsite, you're miles from home and you have used up all your power ? How do you get home ?
Whether it be V2L, V2H or V2G, they pretty much function like debit cards. All they do is to offer you the convenience of wasting the money in your bank account (or the power stored inside your car battery).
@@clocktower1164 Only power not used is a wasted power. If you use the stored electricity for your benefit, you use it in the right way... It is like purchasing £20k+/overpowered PC and using it to browse the Internet only...
Please do not spread misinformation about LFP. You cannot charge to 100% and discharge to 0% with "no battery degradation" as you stated in your video here. This is a blatent lie. Now, you should be able to expect significant cycling count with battery manufacturer designs. But that is true of all batteries, the NMC in a Volt will do 50,000 cycles before 80% remaining health. Heat buildup is another factor to consider when selling during the high demand times, as this is also the hottest time of day and will cause higher cycle damage to cells.
Battery Range and Capacity are deceivingly very limited and have to greatly improve over the next few decades before pretending to have unlimited power at your fingertips. EVs are already far too expensive to Buy and Repair now as it is when in fact they are actually cheaper to manufacture than ICE Vehicles. Further loading them up with ? More gizmo'$ ? is just slowing down the transition evern further . . . strip it down to basic long range, ac, nav, radio, spare tire situation that the owner can handle on the highway without help. AND MAKE THEM IN AMERICA.
You've no idea about apostrophes at all and frequently misuse them. You've wrongly punctuated today's caption. In the context in which you've used the term ''evs',' that's how it should read, not as you have put it. You don't care about doing such things properly, alas. Thank goodness you're not an airline pilot or you'd make up your own rules and put passengers' lives in jeopardy as a result... Sure, your purpose on this forum is delivering the nitty-gritty about electric cars, not an exercise in English. Fine. But there are standards and I wish you'd exercise a more disciplined approach to same both on the page and to camera...
Did he at least get a C+ for effort? This is your contribution to the topic? I think you need to get a life there Mr. critical teacher and find somewhere else to go for correcting people's punctuation and diction.
@@Peter-vn8ue Cause and effect. Just cause. Inescapable effect. However, I take your point and thank you for your politeness. What he has to say is always basically interesting, clearly knowledgeable on his subject. However, those quirky vocal mannerisms, the wandering delivery, elenentary punctuational gaffs and occasional colossal, laughable misuse of words grate on my receptors. I find it takes quite an effort to stay with his narratives. Most other commentators do it so much better in my opinion. The exemplar in my book - speaking in this instance only of car reviews - is the bloke from What Car? Amiable without being over-chummy (yuck, Mr Viking) and never a wasted word or as much as an um or an er, always engaging and focused; presentational skills of the highest order. Not once do I ever want to scream a protest at him as I all too frequently do with someone I've come to dub as 'Sam, Sam who rambles on cam'.
@@Peter-vn8ue Of course you're right, Peter, but as I explained in my last reply he's a pretty clued up man when it comes to the ev world so it's generally useful to tune in to his updates. But, as a friend of mine is apt to jocularly say, "There are standards you know". His remark has a serious connotation too. In Sam's case he often gets elementary things wrong. Grrrrrr!
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The main benefits of bidirectional charging has to V2H .Charging during off peak and then using that power during peak hours. ID 4 battery has a capacity to power an average home for 3 days. !
This has to be a game changer. At my golf club we have 15 golf carts with Lithium batteries. Occasionally we suffer a power cut due to being out in the countryside and on a windy day a tree branch takes out a power line. If the 15 golf cart batteries were reverse wired to the club on such days we could get by for a few hours. The power company most times are pretty good and the power is back on within a few hours. With 15 golf carts we could avoid ever having a power problem. (Assuming we applied some imagination!)
This is a great idea which will for sure become the norm in the future.
A great way to recharge your electric bike when you're away from home or run a small PA system and lighting for a small outdoor music gig or party.
I'd love to get some juice for my ebike, from my car, without carrying extra packs.
V2H and V2G are two different things.
V2G must sync up with the grid frequency, phase, and voltage (like a solar inverter). No EV, to my knowledge, currently does this.
V2H does not need to do as above, but would need a gateway, interlock, disconnect, or transfer switch to take the home off-grid. Think powering a house during a grid outage.
I just saw a video where you can put a cable on a MG and load. Just change the resistor to 440 Ohm.
BYD Dolphin has this for under USD15K, with a very simple adaptor.
For five years I've lived outside, mixture of public spaces / inside a car / couchsurfing / housesitting, and saved enough to buy a BYD or similar and the V2L functionality is a game changer for me. Plans to run an airfryer off the car, to cook dinner - it's been so long between hot cooked meals that would really improve my quality of life.
V2L makes a lot of sense and I plan to add this to my next EV. True V2H is when your home is totally off the utility grid which makes sense. V2G is when your vehicle's source (ie battery) is paralleled to the utility grid. This becomes much more expensive and complicated. Presently I am working on projects in my company where EV school busses supply power back to the grid from 12-2 pm and 5-8 pm each weekday. This is a big saving to the school system because they no longer have to pay peak rates during those times which are typically twice as high as off-peak that run from 12 - 8pm during weekdays. The cost issue is the rewiring of existing buildings and the utility's requirement of approved NRTL products that communicate back to their grid. This is required so you do not feed power back on their grid resulting in one of their workers being shocked.
The possibilities for this are fabulous for the future - imagine a fully electric Ford Transit style work van running electric / battery outside work tools… Leaf blowers, chain saws, lawn mowers, and the rest, most currently using filthy 2 or 4 stroke carburettor based engines which pollute far worse than a modern ‘cleaner’ ice vehicle. Further lowering emissions, and lowering operating costs for small businesses that adopt this approach.
There's another reason for "peaker plants" which is peak shaving. traditional grids have "base load" supplies like coal thermal plants which run at a continuous capacity. If you have an alternative power source supplying the difference between the daily peak load and base load, you can run with less power from those sources which run 24x7 like coal and nuclear. In Brisbane, this is done with a pumped hydro system in the Brisbane ranges. Theoretically, mini grids of cars could supply very short term peaks, which is the sort of thing described in the video. The more cars, the bigger the peak that could be handled.
V2H is great. It puts a need of a home battery in question. I am installing solar soon and have doubts about home battery as EV will do that just fine with massive capacity...
Except people who drive to day jobs have the car away from the solar array through the time when it is generating power. Unless you have a really good deal with your grid, the car won't serve your needs.
Enough Home Battery for 3days safe mode is where I'd start now,then the EV that can be used to collect power from a Charging Station when necessary and Rooftop Solar is the last not least option for independence from you know what.
It is a lot more complicated than just plugging the car into the wall, as you need a special (very expensive) wall box that allows 2 way power then you need an isolation switch that instantly cuts power to the grid should there be a grid power failure and then the charge box needs to be connected to the house power, of course on top of that the EV will have a max current it can supply most seem to max out around 2-3 kw so if your house is pulling 6-8kw like ours sometimes does then the circuit breakers will be tripping non stop. Apart from that all good lol
yeah you can either actually drive the car or park it at your home to use for a battery, your choice, not very handy for both.
In the UK it is very unlikly that your EV will act as a black-out device. Most UK installers follow the rules and in the event of a power cut your house even if it has batteries still blacks out. The house needs a special bit of expensive kit that will stop any battery or PV generated electricity going into the grid during a black-out and killing the electrical workers fixing the problem. So yes its easy if you are off-grid but expensive and just not done in the UK ( apart from some remote farmers who can justify the expense. Hope your country is better.
I am still puzzled what is delaying mass market introduction of V2H or V2G. It seems to make so much sense and most energy transition scenarios depend on the energy buffer in EVs. Any thoughts?
Interesting video. Thanks for explaining V2L. Just in case you were not aware the Mercedes EQS supports V2H in Japan using one of the evolving standards. The soon to arrive in Australia Mercedes EQE will support it as well. Another less than ironic fact is that none of the Tesla cars in our market support this technology currently (cynics would say because it would directly impact their
PowerWall business)
The biggy for V2L for me is converting electric vans into camper vans. I'd love to know which, if any, eVans offer V2L as tons of people and conversion companies are going to be snapping these up. It's a no-brainer. I've seen a few reviews of the latest eVans but haven't found any yet. I actually have it in my 2016 Nissan ENV200 because the Japanese imports came with built-in 100v sockets, and I plug in a transformer so my eCamper has 240V!
Good video on Good topic with vigorous debate. Love it. Bring on more like this.
Instead of rooftop PV/PowerWall, an EV (Aptera?) with V2H plug as grid backup. Also, a V2L plug for your portable freezer when buying frozen food in triple digit climbs. Or, for a portable oven when carrying hot food in freezing weather.
Electric Car Side Discharge Plug EV Type2 16A Charger Cable with EU Socket Outdoor Power Station( need car supports V2L). There is a need to find me to understand the product in detail!!
They shouldn't allow the sale of EVs without V2H or even v2g capabilities.
This space is expanding at a rapid rate. It might be useful to do an update.
Oct 2024 - I dont thik the E-GMP platform does V2G or V2H it seems to be only V2L so if you are looking for V2G/H look very hard at this platform because you may be dissapointed. Look for proof of a bi-directional charger. The questionable MEB platform seems to over everthing but I dont know if its standard or an opptional extra. Note Ford are now useing the MEB platform and that could be differrent outside of the VW group. OK up-date Tesala have revieled the model 3 and Y have a bidirectional charger, but hadnt been bothered to tell everyone. So KIAs EV9 has a bi-directional charger, we know that, so maybe the EV6 and EV3 has too??? Clarirty from the OEMs would be so nice.
Hei!
Looks You forget about old V2L V2V player - BYD?
As I know BYD E6 first generation already had V2L, V2V and V2G.
I think EA1 have it, probably HAN and TANG too.
I think that the BYD EA1 {Dolphin} also has V2L.
Yep all upcoming BYD EV include that feature, as well as the new updated 2022 MG EV with its 70kwh battery
V2L, V2H, and V2G are real cool features, might have a few specialist uses; but they arent something 95+% of the owners would ever use, kind of like towing. i had a hitch on a vehicle once and used it 2 times in 8 years, waste of money.
Very interesting video! V2L is now becoming mainstream at a time when power outages are at an all-time high.
More V2H! I want to install this at my home. We have a 2013 Chevy Volt & 2016 Nissan Leaf, so should be able to run a fair amount of things if the grid goes down. We don't want to buy an expensive battery backup system when we have batteries sitting in our garage. And we want to keep our 10k grid-tied array up while the grid is down. Sure would appreciate more videos on that topic! Thanks!
thanks for all that you do i feel more likely to get a ev car now
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This is the main reason not to buy a Tesla. A guy in Canada powered his home for 3 days from a Kia EV6 during a post storm blackout.
Cybertruck has it, S and X are getting it soon, the cheaper ones not yet
The new MG also has a 2.5kw V2L inverter enough to run your house for a few days.
2.5kW won't "run a house"... One major appliance at a time otherwise you'll overload it.
Power companies already freak out if you have your own generator actually feeding your house and have the circuit "live " to the outside grid, with solar panels and microinverters the law requires the microinverters to shut down when outside grid power is lost.The reason is that maintenance cannot be done on a live system by the power company. So this whole concept of feeding v2l into the grid especially by your neighbors will be very complicated.
Just powering your own house not so bad but 3.6kw is not very much power, only some lights, refrigerator, fan but no a/c or hot water heater ( which requires 240vac)..
You also need to add to this list the upcoming VW iD.5. It would be nice if VW added some kind of vehicle to load adapter just like Hyundai has.
I couldn't imagine VW doing anything based on consumer requests. It seems their whole ethos is "we know what is right" and you will accept our product without compromise...
Yeah - that's why they got left standing stationary while so many other brands (Asian, mainly) kept pushing forward.
Anyone currently profiting from oil industry products will object to V to L . It’s all about money 👍
I am interested in V2H for EMERGENCY only (hurricane). I hate to say it as a Tesla Model 3 owner, but if Tesla does not address this I may have to look a GM, Kia et al that are serious about offering this!! ELON, are you paying attention!!!!!!!!!!!
I read Tesla plans to open a battery manufacturing equipment plant in Markham, Ontario, Canada.
That comment aged well
Great video as usual👍👍👍
If the goal is to have true energy independence, save the planet, and make the most of alternative solar/wind energy then the only system that makes any sense is V2B, a vehicle to a home battery system. V2G, V2L, and V2H is a Red Herring and will not really do anything for powering your house when you have to drive your car to work, go shopping, or travel, which is, let's face it, the real reason you buy a car. The vehicle only needs to supply power to the house battery when there is a shortfall in-home battery capacity or a lackluster day of sun. Vehicle to a battery is the only option that makes real sense and no one is doing it well. I live completely off-grid with a 20 kWh battery pack and 8,000 watts of solar on my roof. I have two mini split ac units and my house, 2 huge refrigerators, lights fans, etc... use propane for water heating, maybe cooking---I use electric induction. During the day 90% of the time I have plenty of power for everything in my house, AC blasting away and the battery is fully charged and stays charged, usually by 11 AM. The problem, when there is one (rarely), is when I need just a little more power at 4 am. With an EV (I currently connect my Hybrid to a Meanwell DBA 3200-48V---programmable 48-volt lithium battery charger which converts 370 Volts to provide occasional power for the charging of the home battery) The car does not become the main source of power, IT'S the backup. Everyone seems to have this all wrong, backward. The car can never be the main source, the stationary home battery is the future house's main power source. Solar charges this battery during the day. You need the car to go to work!!!!! Powering your home from your car, or aiding and abetting the big bad power company, be selling back to them at a price they control and that we're all addicted to, and they like it that way, is idiotic. Power your home stationary battery, only when needed with your vehicle. Throw some solar panels on your roof---they're a bargain. The car is a huge windfall and eliminates the need to buy a much larger stationary battery system, you can get by with powering a normal home usually by using a smaller home battery system and if you need a spare 5-30 kWh of juice, borrow it from your car and still have juice left to drive to work. Whenever your car is home during the day use your excess solar to charge the car! The average trip to work is less than 30 miles, and the average power consumption of a home is 30kWh/day
I pared back my NVVE waiting for earnings tomorrow. I am eyeing Orocobre and LAC. The following percentage is not confirmed: Approximately 85% of world lithium production comes from Chile (SQM, Albemarle), Argentina (Orocobre, Livent) and Australia (Talison Lithium). Talison Lithium Pty Ltd is a private company owned by two companies under a joint venture arrangement Tianqi Lithium Corporation / IGO Limited JV (51%) and Albemarle Corporation (49%). Orocobre recently merged with Galaxy.
I think Bolivia has a lot of Lithium
Bolivia - 21 million tonnes: With estimates of 21 million tonnes, the country holds about one quarter of the entire global resource - including the world's single-biggest lithium deposit, the Salar de Uyuni salt flat, which is visible from space.Nov 19, 2020
Here in the U.K. some forward thinking energy suppliers are trialling V2H with Nissan Leafs. However, the DNOs have the final say over the operation of such technologies and it seems likely it to be a number of years before V2H is an operational reality.
V2G pilots are I believe under way in UK by Ovo and Octopus
Thanks buddy!!!
V2L is a nice niche capability that would be of interest to campers or people who live in Texas.
V2G is the basis of a complete move to green energy with cars and V2G making up the deficiency when the wind is low at night. Tesla must be struggling to decide whether to back Powerwall & Megapack or offer V2G for its cars as it aims to become a virtual energy supplier. I hope they make the right decision.
Can't do both?
@@FirstLast-ml7yf Should have thought V2G implies V2L as well.
@@rhiantaylor3446 no. V2G is always in sync with the Grid. It won’t send power unless it senses the grid frequency and can lead the phase by a few degrees. V2L will run anything and won’t output if it senses a frequency. V2H and V2G also rely on a special box that disconnects the home from the grid during a power outage or if the grid frequency is way off
LAC (Lithium Americas Corp) has outbid CATL for Millennial Lithium. CATL has a few days to counter. China is looking to buy up lithium resources.
Yeah, but what about poor "Johnny losing his ute !" ??🤣 Another gr8 vid !!
Can you tell me if purchasing a BYD Dolphin, which uses CCS charging, would result in not being able to participate in V2H or V2G because the car hasn't been designed to support it?
An EV is a huge battery on wheels. However, that battery is capable of storing electricity and powering electrical appliances we use in the home. In fact most EVs could power a normal household for approx two days. So whats wrong? With powering up the battery with cheap off peak electricity and using it to power the house during the day?
It's just like back feeding a generator when the power goes out, except the battery replaces the generator.
Does V2L allow you to charge an EV or is that V2V?
This needs an update after last week's news
SO it acts like the old RIPPLE HOT WATER CYLINDER ,
It's not well known, but the original Tesla Roadster had VTL and VTG capability, but Tesla dropped it because nobody wanted it back then.
Or was it that they released the Powerwall and that would threaten sales of that?
All those v2g has no future, untill new battery with no debradation are created. You would not want to loose 50%of battery capacity because of v2g used..
honestly, i don't know why all electric cars don't come with at least an always on 12V plug or a utility mode where the car can be locked, the screens(lights, ventilation...) are off and it needs to be restarted(with the key present) before it can drive off. i can get my Leaf pretty close to just being on and feeding the 12V but the dash will still be lit, the daytime running lights will be on and while i can trick the car into locking itself, if someone broke in they can just put it in drive and drive off. why would i need this? so i can charge batteries and run a cooler for my drinks.
Be a great campervan
So you can't have V2G with CCS, and you never will.Right?
Why on earth would anybody fork out $10,000 for VTG (which is what it cost when you could buy a Bi-directional charger . Now you cant as there are no Bi-directional chargers approved for Australia) so that the grid can steal your electricity for less than 5c /kw & then charge you 42c or more to buy it back? F-ing nuts.
VTH on the other hand might be worthwhile in the future but again $10,000 + installation makes it prohibitive .
Elon might embed Bitcoin into each Tesla vehicle making a Tesla you buy self funding and an income producing asset . What’s your take on this . You really have the best and latest information on everything in the electric vehicle transition Thanks
Lay off the bong hits. One BTC costs about 15.3MWh. That’s something like 250 full charges of a TM3
what ever happened here... over 10 years old ( than god for CHINA)
Researchers over at the National Renewable Energy Lab have reportedly made the first solar cell with an external quantum efficiency over 100 percent. ... The NREL team recorded an efficiency topping out at 114 percent, by creating the first working multiple exciton generation (MEG) cell.19 Dec 2011
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Electric Car Side Discharge Plug EV Type2 16A Charger Cable with EU Socket Outdoor Power Station( need car supports V2L). There is a need to find me to understand the product in detail!!
Vehicle to load adapters are, it seems to me, a waste of time...better to just put a plug in the car, why require an adapter?
Vehicle to grid, on the other hand sounds monumental...each car contributing to a much needed solution.
Comments?
Kia EV6 has 3 pin sockets (two). V2G pilots are under way by at least two electric suppliers in UK. Agree it has a lot of potential- with the right control systems
@@tonykelpie other V2G programs use Leaf or Zoe with the DCFC part of ChaDeMo. The inverter is external to the car. It need a power control service (PCS) box to exist at the premises to be able to contribute to the house load
Queen Elizabeth 2 + Australian PM is like US President
For camping lol you cant use car battery cause you wont have enough power to travel back lol.. those batteries realy cannot travel more than 400km... give me ev that has 1200km real range and then i would use some power to camping
why have batteries at all = thought of da day
some one knows Hussss 😒 ??
thanks tesla needs to due this explode sales
What happens, at the end of a great evening out at a Barby, and you've lit the campsite, you're miles from home and you have used up all your power ?
How do you get home ?
I don't know. Maybe planning and common sense??
what are you doing at your campsite? Welding?
@@rikvdk8962 Hehe, my monthly electricity home use is on average 15kWh... It is like 20% of an average EV battery... Math here is very simple...
Whether it be V2L, V2H or V2G, they pretty much function like debit cards.
All they do is to offer you the convenience of wasting the money in your bank account (or the power stored inside your car battery).
@@clocktower1164 Only power not used is a wasted power. If you use the stored electricity for your benefit, you use it in the right way... It is like purchasing £20k+/overpowered PC and using it to browse the Internet only...
Please do not spread misinformation about LFP. You cannot charge to 100% and discharge to 0% with "no battery degradation" as you stated in your video here. This is a blatent lie. Now, you should be able to expect significant cycling count with battery manufacturer designs. But that is true of all batteries, the NMC in a Volt will do 50,000 cycles before 80% remaining health. Heat buildup is another factor to consider when selling during the high demand times, as this is also the hottest time of day and will cause higher cycle damage to cells.
Battery Range and Capacity are deceivingly very limited and have to greatly improve over the next few decades before pretending to have unlimited power at your fingertips. EVs are already far too expensive to Buy and Repair now as it is when in fact they are actually cheaper to manufacture than ICE Vehicles. Further loading them up with ? More gizmo'$ ? is just slowing down the transition evern further . . . strip it down to basic long range, ac, nav, radio, spare tire situation that the owner can handle on the highway without help. AND MAKE THEM IN AMERICA.
A list of V2L vehicles would have been great in the show notes rather than dozens of self promo links. . This was just annoying CLICKBAIT
V2G is a joke
I might as well give all my electricity away to the power companies
Stop wearing you 13 year old sons shirt get one of your own that fits you...lol
You've no idea about apostrophes at all and frequently misuse them. You've wrongly punctuated today's caption. In the context in which you've used the term ''evs',' that's how it should read, not as you have put it. You don't care about doing such things properly, alas. Thank goodness you're not an airline pilot or you'd make up your own rules and put passengers' lives in jeopardy as a result... Sure, your purpose on this forum is delivering the nitty-gritty about electric cars, not an exercise in English. Fine. But there are standards and I wish you'd exercise a more disciplined approach to same both on the page and to camera...
You know there are decaffeinated brands on the market that taste just as good.
Did he at least get a C+ for effort? This is your contribution to the topic? I think you need to get a life there Mr. critical teacher and find somewhere else to go for correcting people's punctuation and diction.
@@Peter-vn8ue
Cause and effect.
Just cause.
Inescapable effect.
However, I take your point and thank you for your politeness. What he has to say is always basically interesting, clearly knowledgeable on his subject. However, those quirky vocal mannerisms, the wandering delivery, elenentary punctuational gaffs and occasional colossal, laughable misuse of words grate on my receptors. I find it takes quite an effort to stay with his narratives. Most other commentators do it so much better in my opinion. The exemplar in my book - speaking in this instance only of car reviews - is the bloke from What Car? Amiable without being over-chummy (yuck, Mr Viking) and never a wasted word or as much as an um or an er, always engaging and focused; presentational skills of the highest order. Not once do I ever want to scream a protest at him as I all too frequently do with someone I've come to dub as 'Sam, Sam who rambles on cam'.
@@DavidHughes-op6zl Well David, you don't have to watch his videos if you find them so grammarly offensive and this irks you to the tenth degree.
@@Peter-vn8ue
Of course you're right, Peter, but as I explained in my last reply he's a pretty clued up man when it comes to the ev world so it's generally useful to tune in to his updates. But, as a friend of mine is apt to jocularly say, "There are standards you know". His remark has a serious connotation too. In Sam's case he often gets elementary things wrong. Grrrrrr!