Ep 22 Sailboat Shopping: 1994 Swan 46 MKII
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Our trip to San Francisco included a stop to look at a 1994 Nautor Swan 46. The Swan 46 MKII (1989-1997) and 48 (1995-2002) were both German Frers designs, and featured dual aft cockpits separated by a traveler. Two separate companionways made them a unique product on the market, and they are both solid bluewater boats with a reputation for being bulletproof in foul weather and big seas. This one was in need of some love, but was also the least expensive Swan 46 on the market (in the US) at present. With a little TLC, she could be a find.
I bought a 1981 47cb MKII 3 years ago. It's almost back to something short of Bristol but the best sailboat you can imagine in heavy seas and a graceful lady in light wind and smooth water. It takes time and it's expensive to restore a Swan. But its worth it.
Indeed, I would agree. Talisman is that way, and she totally supports the investment. But not cheap.
I like the way you are picking at it. You are teaching me something
This is a very engaging 'buyers look' at a beautiful boat. Thank you!
No worries. Thanks for watching.
Swan 46 MKII is truly a modern classic.
Swans are beautiful boats.
I purchased the Swan 46 Joy because I already own a Swan 42 so I recognized the quality engineering and fit and finish that went into building this boat..When the boat was built the original. Buyer had meany up grades installed at the factory A 54 page survey confermed that most items. Were cosmetic..After 6 weeks of cleaning and checking out all of the systems .I single handedly day sailed her in 5 days down to Channel Islands harbor where my Swan 42 is For Sale on Yachtworld Swan 42 (38)
Wow. You should read through the comments of all the people saying the boat was overpriced and not worth fixing, etc. I couldn't believe what I was reading. It's a Swan I kept saying. Someone who knows what this is is going to swoop in and get it for a song. I'm so glad a knowledgeable buyer got her. You're going to love that boat!
can I qask what you paid for her
@@onemanoutfit apparently you can ask.
We will take delivery on a Swan 59 in a a matter of days.
We started off shopping for older but not-production boats. Hylas, Passport, Hallberg-Rassy, etc. We soon became discouraged with their condition and decided we'd be better off with a newer production boat for similar money.
After a deal fell through on a 2008 Beneteau, I looked at the listings of Swan broker in my sadness. We looked at a 1988 Swan 59. (And now I've seen a few more of this Broker's listings) Swan yachts just don't age like other boats. They are actually a surprisingly good value.
If you're shopping, do yourself a favor and look at the older Swans in the same price range.
Hi there Mr Scott. The Swan 46 episode is pretty old, from when we were doing what you’re doing, and coming to the same conclusions. We purchased an Oyster 485 (1994), but had to go abroad to Scotland in order to find it. As for your choice, it’s hard to go wrong with Swan. They are a true ocean-going boat, and will hold their value well. As with Oyster, future buyers will largely pay for the improvements you make over the years, especially in light of the fact that Swan almost owns the market for 80-120’ smaller super-yachts these days. People are in touch with us constantly (due to the SYT channel) regarding what boat to purchase, and while buying a true bluewater boat isn’t for everyone, you won’t get yourself in trouble by doing so. When the subject comes up, I say that when you buy a boat you’re really buying the hull and interior joinery, which Swan does better than most. Further, you can generally identify a Swan simply by the ridiculous number of oversized winches and other heavy duty bits like turning blocks and standing rigging. They really focused, and still focus, on building an indestructible tank. Plus, they’re not slow, being more of an offshore racing machine that’s also a comfortable cruiser. Olin Stevens, of S&S fame, and mentor to German Frerers, was the father of stability curve (AVS) calculations, and this is why despite being fast, the boats were stable and stiff, being able to carry a lot of sail area in high winds. Excellent choice. Our contact info is in the “About” tab on the Sailing Yacht Talisman” home page. Send us an email and we’ll talk.
@@SailingTalisman As a long time racer, Swan and Oyster were always the boats one wanted to get a ride on, but somehow seats were never available.
@@yzScott That happens a lot.
I have actually met a couple of Nautor's carpenters who made the interior for the 46' in the 1990's. True cratmanship.
Indeed. Swans have had that build quality from the beginning, and still do, as far as I can tell.
that was a good buy, didnt need much to recover it and swan build quality and long term value is worth investing in...
Yep. It was a good boat that represented Swan in every way. And it sold within a month of our viewing it. I'm sure it's still out there running around. It was just a bit too small for our needs.
That boat is awesome. The Perkins looked like it had a new injector pump on it. 179k plus refit costs. I say go for it.
Yep, it looks like someone has already, as the boat is under contract. As I said in my recap, it was a bit too much work for us at this stage. I've already refitted one boat, and it was an exhausting and expensive process. We're looking for a boat where someone else has already done the major work and we'll just improve on it. Such a beautiful Swan though. Just needs some TLC.
Friends of my parents bought this boat new in the 90's, I was in my 20's and went on a couple of great trips with the owner to bring the boat from the Netherlands to the south of France for has family holiday, amazing trips and a fantastic fast boat.
Wow, that's amazing. Unfortunately, Joy was neglected for many year and needed a ton of work ... more work than we wanted to do. But being a Swan, her pedigree was good and the boat sold several weeks after our video posted. Every boat we've done a video on has sold shortly thereafter, usually following a back and forth with us and the perspective buyers. We're honest about what we see and have no ulterior motives or connections to the sellers or brokers. I miss going to see the boats, but now that we have our own we just admire from the quay. Thanks for being with us.
@@SailingTalisman Not surprised, you did very well on the video. Ididn't sail for many year and next week I'm of to Mallorca getting my Day Skipper Sail training and license so I can start sailing a lot more. Greetings and good luck with the sailing
Hi Yerrie. We did our RYA Day Skipper/ICC theory in the US through Nautic Ed (online testing with paper charts and other materials sent by mail), then did our practical exam aboard Talisman in Troon, Scotland. In all honesty, if your instructor sticks to the course outline and doesn't skip over parts of it, it's the best sailing course I've ever seen. It was indispensable to our knowledge base.
Man you went to see some beautiful boats... Oyster, Swan, H.R. ... great stuff.
Yeah, it was fun, and we learned so much about the boats we saw. There's really no substitute for seeing in person.
Swan just went bankrupt because of shoddy workmanship, and worse customer treatment.
I love it! If I could afford it at the moment I would consider it.
I liked the agent's style.
I've always appreciated the honesty of the soft-sell. Just tell it like it is and don't sugarcoat things. Buyers respect it and the likelihood of the buyer being happy in the end is greater.
Hi
I saw the yach at the yachtworld Website for sale and one day she disappeared.
I wanted to come and check it a few months ago
IS she still for sail.
TAMIR ISRAEL STATE
Also, stay tuned. By the weekend we should be closed on our new boat!
I did enjoy your video until I got to the comment, that you left for the Israeli who identified himself as TAMIR ISRAEL STATE! I first want to establish that, I do not think that all Jews are Zionists, who are sheepishly following the agenda of the brutal, murderous, and evil agenda of the Zionist leadership of Israel. Not to mention, the traitorous and treasonous natural born Americans, in places of influence and power in this country, who hold dual American/Israeli citizenships. Who are not Jews themselves, but seem to sign onto pledging allegiance to Israel rather than their own country. Now you listen to me Dick. Can I call you Dick, or do your friends call you Richard? Any cock sucker such as yourself, who is willing to send our sons and daughters to fight and die for Israel, is a traitorous fuck who needs to send his own children or grandchildren to fight and die for his agenda. You are the lowest of the low, and would be doing the rest of us a favor if you killed yourself. But, I do appreciate your arrogance by identifying yourself as the enemy! Your ego and arrogance, has put you in a state of being too stupid to know that you are stupid! Now, go fuck yourself, Zionist!
You would love for all sales-people to be so upfront and honest. However...
Yes. Many of the issues for a potential buyer were obvious. As we were wrapping up I realized that I'd become quite fond of the broker. She was honest and straightforward and a buyer could probably count on her to help source parts and labor. The boat sold a few months after we posted the video and although the work was clearly daunting I think Joy was a boat worth investing in.
OK! you said to give our thoughts! I am watching this video in Jan of 15 of 2017; however I want to say whats on my mind. I feel this boat will help build your youtube channel and that where you will earn the most return on your money. Your intellienece will teach us how to live thrue you on a boat like this. I feel that this will build you chater business faster then the other boat's because you have tons of armchair quatebacks to help you fix her up. Please give my thoughts some food for thought. building a family around this is the key you need to understand. Love the Orphan ; because we all our orphans.
John The Limo Driver
from Kansas city
Pay for the necessary ship survey, get an experienced one. It's worth every cent!
Here, here!
It's not corroded, it's oxidized. I love it. Such a subtle difference. hahahaha
Oxidized sounds so much better, don't you think?
I like swans. My boat is close to one.
Swan, Hallberg Rassy, Oyster: Just the class of boat I love to own myself! This boat seems to be in good state considering the age and the negligence. I mean it's not lost but needs work.
Yep. The boat was in need of some love. Has a new owner now.
its would be nice to know the asking price of the boats your looking at ,i have enjoy your channel greatly thanks
I'd recommend keying in the brand and a length range into Yachtworld's advanced search. Several of the boats we've visited have already sold but similar ones are available always. I try to keep dollars out for a couple of reasons, but did advise on the latest video (Tayana 52) that I thought the price point was good.
@@SailingTalisman My God, And you still reply with no price? Incredible. Make the shopper do all the work. That'll get you fast sales for sure. NOT! Maybe you're not the seller here. I should have directed it to all salesmen. women.
@@hunsadersrockinranch Hi Peter. Not the salesman here. We didn't focus on price (or discuss price) in the videos because we knew it would be dated almost immediately. With that in mind, the idea was to try to show what we were looking for in a boat. This particular boat, the Swan 46, was one that needed a ton of work but was otherwise sound (as Swans always are). We didn't want a project boat. We needed something that really spoke to us, and the Oyster 485 did.
A very nice boat
Indeed.
I am wondering if the sails saw the light once (no pics). I would not trust the rig components outside the Gate in spring like conditions. I can see a $150k refit right there and that is without touching the deck, electronics and paint. That said who does not dream of owning one of those !
easy
Yep.
$150K for what? Many boats have made long ocean crossings with rigging far older and dodgier than what is on this Swan. $150K would be an unnecessary extravagance. It's a bit of a laugh to suggest that this boat is a down-at-heel wreck that is an atomic distance from slipping beneath the waves due to neglect.
Good quality
Thank you pretty cool
Glad you liked it.
Large plug looks likely to be for the furling mast.
That son... His dad gave him a Swan 46 but he wasn't interested. Jeeeeeez
That was the story. The teak deck even had a path worn in it on one side where the midship gate was. It served as a perfect, relatively affordable San Francisco apartment.
But that boat, too seaworthy to be misused as an apartment glued to the docks imo.
@@AgentRafa I know. It's one of the three boats we sold though our channel. A week after I posted the video the boat was under contract. That said, it needed a lot of work. There was no way it was going to pass a survey without new standing rigging, sails, a bunch of repairs and the like. It just hadn't been taken care of.
So what was it going for?
Really nice and informative video! Thank you!
Did you create a movie of the oyster 485 in spain as well?
I did, but since we didn't buy that boat I felt a little odd posting it. Oyster is contacting the sellers to see if they're okay with it, but they have an Oyster 53 and are afloat somewhere in the Med and hard to get in contact with. If they agree, I'll post.
I have watched your series on your boat shopping. Can you comment on valuation as it relates to a boat like this if it was in good shape and standard equipment for a 1994, would this be a boat that a) would sell faster than a production sailboat of the same size? b) depreciate at a slower rate (as a % of yearly value) than a similar size production boat? and c) would return a somewhat higher percentage of the value of your new additions such as navigation or running rigging if you were to sell it say 3 or 4 years after you bring it back into shape? I am considering what type/make of boat to buy if I am planning to be a short term owner (3 or 4 years) of my next one and price is not as important as ease of sale and reduction in depreciation vs another brand or model of sailboat in the future.
Having passed all those years, nos I find it strange the arrangement on these yatchs, that companionway separated from the cockpit. 46 feet boats is very uncommon to habe two companionways.
Yeah, it's always been a bit weird. But the rationale goes like this. German Frers, the designer of both the 48 and 46 (at the time) was more focused on racing, as was Nautor Swan generally. And the creation of the aft cockpit was the result of putting the traveler on a sort of wall between what then became the fore and aft cockpits. Having the traveler in that location was important because that put it directly below the boom end, where the load path from the sail is. It should be noted that the design of center cockpit boats like Talisman (Oyster 485) are the way they are for this exact reason, whereas aft cockpit boats almost always place the traveler on the coachroof, meaning that mainsheet location goes to center boom, putting the boom severely at risk during an accidental jibe. Everything flows from traveler location. This isolated the helmsman, and it was feared that in truly severe weather, getting back into the forward cockpit could be dangerous, if not impossible. He also envisioned an easy way for food and drink to be delivered. But the end result was a bit awkward in my opinion. Yes, you got the traveler location, but now had a companionway and stairs dropping down into the middle of the master stateroom bed, where it could easily get flooded with water. At the same time, you ended up with less than full head height in the aft cabin, which made the room feel a bit cramped. These days Swan focuses almost exclusively on the 60'-120' custom range of what would be called small to medium superyachts. With larger hulls, and especially ones with more modern wider transoms, you will necessarily get greater headroom. As with homes, the solution to every design problem is just to make it bigger, although that comes at a price.
Did she say the mast was an $87,000 upgrade??
Possibly. It's been a while since we were there. I think that sounds about right for an electric (I think) in-mast furling system at a time when standard slab reefed sails were 95% of the market. The prices the manufacturers charge for upgrades when you're buying new can be something to behold.
Wow! What to say....
on one hand I'm thinking that's an amazing opportunity. It could almost be stolen from the owner. The owner is looking for his second best day of being a boat owner.
There are to many people out there that don't appreciate what they have.
CRAZY! So sad.
This story is probably more common than I realize. Boats are a labor of love.
And they demand a lot of it......... 😎
Yes indeed! Labor of love for sure. But as I say, you could do a lot worse than investing your labor and love into a boat like this.
Late comment but I'm also looking for a cruising boat for my wife and myself. The afterthought put in the design of the head area is very disheartening. A separate shower area in my opinion is critical in a cruising boat . Hell my hans Christian 33 has a stand alone shower, why the hell a boat like a Swann does not have one! Not good
German Frers (the designer) of most of the Swans of the time was known for favoring "racing" over cruising, thus all the small berth areas and foredeck mounted winches. It was odd because the Swans weren't really all that fast in comparison to true race boats and were competitive only against other Swans. These were really designed to have 8 or 10 single guys on board for a day or a week at a time. Nevertheless, they were and still are exceptional bluewater boats. Some of the blame for the interior layout, which really isn't that bad (the woodwork is spectacular if maintained), rests with Swan themselves for accepting the tradeoffs. But that's the nature of it. Everything is a tradeoff. You get this but give away that. Swan aficionados would have it no other way. Thanks for watching and keep posted as we should have some good vids coming up.
Sailing at 9000 I agree, I'm a huge fan of swans but their lack of tankage and small head areas is a no no for us! Beautiful boats and very high quality but not for us! 😢
Cool boat but more of a project than she appears, if new owner wanted to convert to capable blue water cruiser. I'd lose the in-mast furling, for one. Give 'em a lowball offer! : )
The boat is under contract at present (not with us). Not sure what the final selling price was. As for the mast, purchasing a new one would be cost prohibitive. I'm of mixed feelings about in-mast furling. Almost every true bluewater boat now comes with it, whether it be Oyster, Hylas, Tayana, Passport, Island Packet, you name it. And the bigger the boat, the more likely it is to have an in-mast furling system. I try not to go too far overboard in preaching one system vs. another, but the logic of it is that it is much easier to reef once the wind has really picked up. Unlike a slab mainsail system, the in-mast systems can be reefed relatively easily from the cockpit. Take a look at our latest video where I'm struggling to control a sail that isn't even up. Yes, you lose your horizontal battens, along with the performance they provide. Many of the forum people talk about AVS and STIX numbers and how weight aloft hurts the stability of an open-ocean boat. But on the other side are the people who have actually been dismasted (with whatever sail control system they had). These sailors universally report that once the mast was gone it was almost impossible to keep the hull from rolling again. The mast creates such a large counter to rolling that it appears that the extra weight actually helps through its reluctance to move off center.
Makes sense. I must admit that I'm "one of those people" who find a furling mast in a swan to be a lot like wearing a trucker hat with a nice suit. Then again, these boats will always do it for me, as I spent best parts of my childhood on one. But about the functionality of furling masts, it is somewhat hard to disagree the advantages. Especially being able to reef even when going downwind. Well, reef easily, that is. Without having to think about rounding up. Downside is that when it fails with the sail out, it's bye bye main sail or worse. And the performance loss. And the fact that it looks like the rotting rear end of a roadkill skunk. In boom furling would pretty much fix all the inherent problems of the furling mast, but I hear several systems have some teething issues still. Funnily, I think the new swan cruiser (54 I think) is usually displayed with what seems like a custom boom furler. But yeah, since I've never dreamt of permanently cruising with more than one or two people, I've never had any interest in boats over 45 feet so it's easy for me to say that furling mains are pointless.. But should I actually have to bother with the main of a 50 footer, that opinion might change quite quickly..
Your comments are thoughtful. I think the way it's going is that almost all open-ocean/bluewater boats sold today begin with in-mast furling systems as standard kit, while the lighter production boats tend to stick with slab reefed mains for performance reasons. The in-mast systems are much improved over the initial designs (which the Swan 46 above may indeed have), and breakdowns are becoming more rare in the newer products. As most people know (readers of these comments) the main drawback to in-mast sails is that you lose the horizontal battens that promote sail shape and move the draft forward, creating more of a wing cross-section. Power is therefore greater as the sail provides improved lift. However, the sail manufacturers are also becoming more adept at "forming" the shape of the sail during production. The North 3DL sail line is probably the most notable, but other major brands are following suit. While North uses a system of weaving the fabric over a computer controlled, infinitely adjustable curved surface, which lesser known brands generally can't afford, these alternative brands are instead turning to computer models to calculate the fabric shapes needed to produce at least a facsimile of the perfectly curved shape produced by North. At some point, if the sail shape gets deep enough, it won't furl easily inside a mast since it isn't designed to lay flat. Either way, this is the path things are taking. With boat sizes approaching and exceeding 50', the power of the sails is something that the average cruising couple can't handle on their own (with standard sails) if they miss the initial opportunity to reef. I should add that the largest drawback to in-boom furling systems is that the boom to mast angle must be exact or the sail won't furl right. You see in-boom furling on a lot of superyachts, and while I'm not certain, I strongly suspect that these systems are computer controlled in that when you press the button to furl, it automatically adjusts the boom angle first. With the boom angle set properly, most in-boom systems work flawlessly. They do have a universal joint at the gooseneck for the motor drive, and the boom itself must be more or less sheeted home before furling or the U-joint will bind up. 10-15 degrees either way probably works, depending on brand.
Great reply, thank you! I must admit that while I was aware of the vertical battens on newer systems, I haven't paid much attention to the intricacies of furling sail design so your reply made for a very interesting read.. And you are certainly correct about all of it, I'm sure. As I fully admit, my opinion is largely influenced by my own stubborn preferences and the facts that I'm a fairly big guy who is still fairly young i with preference to "smaller" boats and boat aesthetics.
And when it comes to cruising vessels, I also admit that I find the french deriveurs particularly interesting. Especially the boreals for where I live and the allures for the coconut runs. The keel stub ballast makes them fairly allergic to the weight of furling masts.
And about the furling booms, I'm not sure even computers are required. Even the cheaper versions tend to come with specialized boom vangs to fix the problem. I got to go out in a 45 foot x-yacht (Ithe xc variant) with their endorsed furling system (furlerboom from Denmark, if I remember correctly) and the system worked very well indeed in conjunction with the electric coachroof winch. It's not entirely friction free and the main concerns seemed to, apart from remembering to check angle,, the possible long term chafing problems with the sail, but otherwise it was very easy to use. That said, I didn't find it significantly faster to use than slab reefing in a similar sized vessel, as both operations take about 60 or so seconds if the slab system is well thought out. And should the electric winch go haywire, it would almost be a two person job to reef the sail in order to keep the tension while furling. But they also had the sail equipped with traditional slab reef points, so in the unlikely scenario of winch failure while single handed, the sail could still be reefed old school by one person. But I do remember thinking that because of that option, I will probably seriously consider one, should the day arrive that I'm seriously looking at world cruisers to own myself. Knock on the wood and all that.
Wow. That's cool stuff. The French love their aluminum boats. These hulls are often referred to as ULDH, or ultra light displacement hull. When comparing the numbers on these to traditional bluewater (medium and heavier displacement) they could hardly be further apart. And yet it's impossible to criticize since you see them in every corner of the world, usually sailed by some bean pole of a Frenchman, and you know the boat's been through the thick of it. So with numbers that barely register, you have a great hard-core boat in many cases.
Yacht noob here, can anyone tell me what the large fitting in the deck just forward of the hatch at 3:53 is/does?
That's an inner forestay. This one is on a tensioning track, which is something you don't see these days. The inner forestay allows a smaller storm staysail to be flown. A small storm sail has the advantage of keeping the center of effort low and moved back toward the mast. As you reef, or furl in, a larger jib or genoa, the clew (sheet attachment point) begins moving up off the deck. Between the larger diameter of the furled sail and the high clew, it starts creating a lot of force trying to pull the boat over. Keeping a low center of effort transfers that force into forward momentum instead of heeling. Since the inner forestay connects to the mast at a lower point (not the masthead) there is usually a running backstay that supports the mast at the attachment point as well.
Thanks so much for the detailed answer. I've just discovered your channel and I'm really enjoying your boat buying vids. Appreciate your efforts in uploading. Cheers.
You bet.
Beautiful boat. I first took notice of the Swan 46 when I found an online site/blog documenting the circumnav of a Swan 46 called Out of Bounds. I looked up Joy after seeing your video. Yachtworld has it pending. $180K ask... wonder where it sold. How much do you think it would have taken to refit?
I think the boat probably sold or is selling for less. I think Yachtworld does not adjust the listing/sold price, and the broker was saying to bring all offers. Be that as it may, the boat was in sailable condition and had no major flaws. As I said in my recap at the end of the video, the interior was is very good shape, and the boat hadn't been sailed much, if at all, over the years. Teak decks needed work, but perhaps just temp repairs would have done for the short term. I imagine a lot of stuff would have come up during a survey, but still a rock solid boat.
I’m guessing these are fast boats
The Swans were (and are) built to be raced, but within their own division. They are heavy build ocean-going designs with an absolute ton of winches, often 8 or more per side. While modern production boats offer a winch and 4 clutches, Swan provided a winch for every major line. They envision 8 or 9 guys on the boat, each with a separate task. But modern boats are built to be light, using the least amount of materials possible. They're also modeled on VOR and TP race designs (plumb bow, flat forefoot, wide transom, etc.), and light boats are fast. Not very comfortable at sea, but pretty fast.
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Thanks Thomas!
what was ir going for? 150k?
I forget. It was several years ago. They're for sale out there. Check Yachtworld.com
Very expensive piece of plastic as is. Takes deep pockets to fix with no financial return or gain.
worth maybe 50k usd no more neglected boat is expensive to put rightnew engine 8k 60hp volvo
Value of any item is what a willing buyer and willing seller would agree to. An offer of $50k would have been laughed at, and the boat did eventually sell for not much less than the listed price. It's a Swan after all.
You need to stop drinking/drugging if you think a Swan in pretty good condition is worth 50K. A 53' 1991 Swan that has had the living snot raced out of it is still worth over 300K. As well, it isn't rocket science to put a boat back into pristine condition. Rigging, painting, etc., are all chores that are well within that capabilities of persons with even a below average level of informational uptake. I laugh when people think that tuning a rig is a black art that only wizards and sorcerers manage to acquire, as the task is actually quite simple. Rebuilding an engine requires some insight and skill, but everything else is pretty accessible.
Should have mentioned the list price, without it there is no reference of whether it is worth a look or not. Also would have been good to know as a price reference years down the track! I enjoyed the vid, but it left me hanging for one thing... price!! Wasted opportunity, wasted time!
Hi Jens. We purposely did not talk of price in any of our videos as we knew that it would become dated almost immediately. Plus, it wasn't our intention to sell the boats (although we did, in each case we're pretty sure). We were just looking, and the prices fluctuate greatly over short periods of time. Just look up Swan 46 on Yachtworld.com and you'll see contemporary pricing.
Sailing Yacht Talisman thanks for the reply. Although I agree that the price of yachts varies considerably over time, a reference to it would also be a reference in time. Looking at other comments here, I do believe that it would have been advisable to mention price. No one expects a price to stay the same over time, but I feel that there is no relevance to this video without it, especially seeing it is displayed as a fixer. It makes me stay away from watching other videos of yours, or even subscribe to your channel, as you won’t mention a big part of the equation. That said, I’m not trying to sledge your work, I love videos on boats and appreciate the efforts people make to bring them to the masses. Price is just a reference to help figure out whether it is a feasible project or not.
Wendy tells me the asking price was $160,000 at the time, and sold for somewhat less I'm sure. We got an email from a perspective buyer and discussed the positives and negatives of what we had seen. The next week the listing was gone.
That was a good price back then and no wonder the yacht sold reasonably quickly. No doubt thanks to your efforts as well. Good knowing that bargain deals do come around once in a while. Thanks for your replies and efforts in making these videos, please include some pricing in future, people will appreciate it.
Yeah, it was a big project boat, needing new sails and standing rigging at a minimum, plus a bunch of electronics and systems that had been neglected and weren't working. It needed someone who was interested in resurrecting a Swan, kind of like adopting a stray dog. It would have been a "fix n flip" if it were a house, but fix n flip doesn't work with boats because the parts and pieces are so astronomically expensive. I've done the math with Talisman, and it almost always pays to save and buy either a newer boat for more money, or one that someone else has been raped refitting. We're sitting pretty good with Talisman because she's an Oyster, and the prices have consistently risen, but if I were paying professionals to do the work it would be untenable. The idea is to sail, not to be stuck in a yard bleeding money for a year or more. Just my opinion though. A lot of folks enjoy the challenge.
Prone to osmosis. Virtually all Swans
Hi Tom. Don't hold me to this, but the way it's been explained to me was that as fiberglass became the main building material for boats, nobody knew about or understood osmosis. It didn't happen immediately, and took several years to materialize after a hull was popped from the mold. Boats from the 70's and 80's were most at risk. At that time, and still to this day, there were only a few manufacturers of epoxy resin and hardener, and once the problem was known they set about solving it. I believe the introduction of vinylester was the cure, but again, best to check. Anyway, boats from the 90's onward rarely see osmosis, but it's still good practice to make sure you have a good barrier coat (Interlux 2000E or similar) between the hull and bottom paint. BTW, Swan is a premium brand, and I suspect that if they had any osmosis problems these would be concentrated in the older boats. Thanks so much for being with us.
$87 000 for original in-mast furling? stopped me in my tracks...
How so? Not sure I understand.
@@SailingTalisman 3:18 doesn't she say they spent 87 grand for the mast? Imagine having a Swan46 & not being able to fix the mast cuz you don't have the $$. What a horrible situation that would be....
The real interesting part of the story (not sure it was told in the video) was that the father, who was estranged from his son due to a divorce, was into sailing and wanted the son, once he grew up, to also be. He bought the son that Swan 46 as a gift, but the son never took to sailing. Instead he used it as a floating, affordable apartment. There was actually a path worn in the teak on the port side where he walked on and off every day. But the boat was rarely if ever sailed. A transfer skipper brought the boat down to the marina and reported that most systems needed work, and I suspect is was pure motoring for the trip. As for masts, they are incredibly expensive, especially since they're hard to ship and install. I would add that if you're shopping for a Swan and you actually have money, this would have been the last one you would chose. But as I've said before this was a "project boat" for someone who understood what it was and wanted to resurrect one of the true classic Swans to it's former glory. Never would such a project pay off financially, but you'd get a great boat once the work was done.
@@SailingTalisman the unforgivable sin of owning a magnificent boat is to keep her anchored or moored & let her decay....sort of like keeping a magnificent horse locked up in a paddock. Test her out while testing yourself. The Swans were designed for blue water.....I myself seem to be leaning towards a mid-price Amel that can accommodate 2 aging dogs. The cats are tempting for stability/comfort especially for the pups but Amels feel more like a sailboat. They can be shorthanded, comfortable & easy to dock if the bow thruster is working.......
Decks need replacing.
Hi Tom. There was a lot needing replacing on that boat. But good bones.
Hi ! I got one advice .Do not ever buy a boat with coloured hull !
They come in two varieties. If it's a factory colored hull, it's usually the gelcoat that is colored. This is okay and most scratches can be buffed out as gelcoat is thick. But a painted hull is awful. Every scratch shows white underneath and any buffing at all threatens to rub the paint off entirely. I'm with you though, and would only want a white hull.
chris seems like a menopausal daisy to me, it is going to take a lot of money to restore that boat.
Yep. The guy that bought the boat emailed me afterward if I recall correctly. He knew it was going to be a project boat.
needs some work, beautiful boat. turned off by the woman seller rep, seemed not that knowledgeable to me about the boat details which are important to a buyer who is viewing the boat.
Hi D, again. She was just going through the motions. She knew the boat would sell that the price they were asking, and it did,