When China almost got nuked
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This video talks about a historical episode from the cold war when China almost got nuked by the US. The context of the Korean war which led to that situation as well as the details of the planned strikes and the eventual resolution are also explored.
What if Soviets and the West had clashed in 1945? Who'd win that hypothetical World War 3?
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Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
00:33 - Cold War: The Early Years
02:11 - The Forgotten War
06:02 - When They Drop the Atomic Bomb
07:20 - Armor and protection
09:35 - Pros and Cons of a Nuclear Apocalypse
12:48 - Give Nukes a Chance!
15:37 - Ending the war
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mcarthur : Nuke em !
Truman : No !
Mcarthur : Nuke em !
Truman : No !
Mcarthur : Aww Come on !
Truman : You are Fired !
Eisenhower: "You're rehired".
MacArthur: "Really"?
Eisenhower: "No, you're still fired".
mcarthur : Nuke'em !
USSR：No！
Truman : You know what? No !
Bad mistake
@salty sailorWhen McArtur nuked China only a little bit ( ~ 20, not a problem for anyone else ), we had not lost WW3 with China in the last Year.
@@donald8066 ...What the hell are you on about
Why can’t all history teachers teach like this lol
So true.
Because they're not allowed to. Teachers must teach from state approved text books, on school approved plans that draw minimal criticism from parents.
So you get the lame version in case your mom is a Karen or you start to doubt the US.
We didn't learn any of this shit in school, though I think it should be taught as it reminds of how close we can come to armageddon. As great a commander Macarthur was he really had no idea what he was dealing with at the time and the awful consequences it would've brought. Wars should be tought in school more often anyway. The amount of people who don't even know what the holocaust is and what horrible things the Nazis and Japanese did in those 10 years is quite sad.. And even disturbing
@@aaronlynch6895 I’m learning about it right now in school. For GCSEs we are taught it but it’s up to the school to choose what to teach and what not to teach
Because teachers are bound by county/state curriculum
Not to mention videos like this take hours and hours of work using actual historical sources, unlike the regurgitated bullshit in public schools, and recycled history lessons, in 2017 my school still had text books saying Obama was a senator, and I’ll tell you first hand that perception of history has changed a lot in the last 2 decades, especially since the opening of the Soviet Archives
Fun Fact:- Soviet Union Almost Nuked China in 1969
why? woa
Omar Amin Why??
dont you guys know about the sino soviet split?
@@John77Doe Border Conflict
@@themaus3847 Cause China invaded India, but it never heated up to the point of nuclear warfare. 😐😐😐😐😐
Binkov had a very good point on Truman's restraint against the normalization of the use of nukes. In 1951, the US had more nukes than the Soviets. If the US had used nukes extensively against the Chinese Communists as planned by MacArthur, there would be a good chance that the Soviets could use nukes equally extensively as tactical weapons once their nuke production was fully established. Nukes were also getting ever more powerful when the US made the first hydrogen bomb in 1952, and the Soviets followed close behind to have their own hydrogen bomb in 1953. The planet might not have survived that many hydrogen bombs being used tactically. Truman's restraint had probably saved the planet.
Funny In 1969, is the Soviet's turn thinking of nuking China due to border conflicts. The Chinese dodged the bullet twice!
That's major reason why the US got China on their side in 1970s-1990s, you know, before the collapse of USSR...
Later, China developed the atomic bomb using the most primitive methods at any cost. When the first atomic bomb was tested, President Kennedy secretly instructed Taiwan to send special forces to be carried by the US Air Force to the raid test site. Unfortunately, President Kennedy was assassinated in broad daylight，
In these days when the US president was vacant, the raid plan was shelved, and China successfully carried out the first atomic bomb device test, and a huge mushroom cloud rose up.
dodged the bullet twice,not the legend,President Kennedy's assassination saved China a third time
As a Chinese, I can only understand that God bless China
@@sdo888 Commies dont belive in God.
@@mahogany7712 but chinese did
Trash talk man. User never thought of using nuclear
Hey Binkov, love your videos.
Stalin sent more than just planes - he sent pilots, too. The North Korean "air force" were all Soviet planes piloted by Soviet pilots. My grandfather served in the US Army in Korea, and told me whenever they came across a downed "North Korean" plane, the pilots were always Caucasian - not Korean or Chinese. He claims they never found a pilot alive after a crash, but kind of hinted that there was an understanding that a live pilot wouldn't be taken prisoner as a live pilot would cause more problems with the Soviets than an expired one.
Granted this is hearsay from gramps, but a lot of academic research suggests this was the case, too.
That’s half true. The Soviet’s did provide all the planes and some pilots but most of the pilots were still Korean
@@nickyman5557 Do you have a source for that, or is that hearsay too?
@@nickyman5557 There are also some planes piloted by Chinese pilots as well, though those have clearer Chinese markings
As a Russian, I confirm.
@@voidsamoyed4008 www.jstor.org/stable/25163360?seq=1 american pilots heard russian over their radios
Reading the comments down there make me understand there are many psychopaths who have no value for human life over thier agenda and ideology
I agree, it's quite disturbing
Im just the guy that wants everyone to be friends. So i feel you.
@John Phillips nah we just gotta get rid of the egos
@@linc1494 the god is within brother
@@linc1494 law of attraction we all need
I love Binkov! He inspired my sci-fi/futurist channel!!
When MacArthur traveled to the future, played Ace Combat Zero, and end up bringing back good old Belkan strategies.
Hey Comrade, you still alive?
Stop it ! I havent played it yet :(
@@madsnoop7 What???? Go dance with the angels now!!!!
Go! Fly! Faster!!!! Higher!!!! Reach the dark blue sky!!!!!!
Seriously, is a great game. Highly recommended. You can use a PS2 emulator.
There was also a time China almost got nuked by the USSR i think in the 60s. My mom told me when she was a teenager she and everyone she knew spent a days constantly digging tunnels. This was a time when relations between China and the USSR were deteriorating, and it look like war was going to happen. The US threatened USSR to not do that or the US will fire nukes as well. Because of that, the situation cooled down. I tried looking for this story online, but couldn't find evidence that corroborates my mom's story.
1969.
One of those "close to the brink" situations that hardly anyone knows about.
Start your search with "Sino-Soviet Split" and go looking from there.
What your Mother said was correct. The info is out there.
@@ComaDave thanks
Correct. Im Chinese and some of my friends who lived near the Russian Chinese border back then also told a similar story.
They had to turn off the lights at night in order for the USSR army to not accidentally bomb them.
I believe the Soviets were afraid of the Chinese in a conventional war and therefore prepared to use tactical nukes. They publicly threatened Mao to discourage an all-out war. I believe the Soviets back then hated Mao. Mao was a fuc.....ing narcissist moron.
That would be 1956, and the Kruschev Era. Mao wanted to purge China of ALL soviet influences. Stalin died in 1953. Mao suspected something "wrong", in terms of ideology, after Russia tried to remove-reform all the mistakes Stalin made.
Oh, i absolutely love such long-ish videos. Keep them coming Binkov!
3:23
"Both were led by very sweet-looking old man. But don't let that deceive you.
They were both ruthless dictators, and both dreamed of reuniting Korea under their own regime."
Very well done, solid education and accurate from what little expertise I have on the subject. Thank you
MacArthur: China will not intervene.
China: enters North Korea...
MacArthur... He had an excellent carrier as an officer. But a diplomatic failure and not winning election.
I never see any USA Generals doing better in Diplomacy. Except, maybe: Washington?
Gen McChrystal had the learned the diplomatic skill the hard way but fail to convince the USA Machine of war. And got replaced by Petraeus. Petraeus loss the moral ground... like JFKennedy (with bed affair).
Back in 50's Truman was enough intelligent to use diplomacy and strength army...
Since then the USA has suffer of being the world top leader and lacking of social development by buying always cheaper, made outside the country.
Now they diversify the purchase with diverses countries
China is lacking of liberal vision... China could be a real leader by de-funding their army and investing more in their education. But that is hyper liberal vision.
((I grew up in liberal region (the secret) and it's all about you and your best! If you are the best of yourself it is because someone else had take care of you somehow. If today is good that is because you had helped someone else.))
... Need a lot of ideas to built a powerful idea.
@@mkrump9403 What about Eisenhower?
@@matthewd759 Somehow he seems... did more for (isolating) interior matters and its defense then actually looking for international spotlight... My opinion. So far I never see any international political drama or waves from this man. His image seems pretty cold and on the point.
((I am not American.)) My opinion he putted more his time on american social matters.
He would had pay the bill for Covid hospitalization, because he would had see this threat as national matter and attack ; not lockdown... But would have been way more aggressive than Trump or Biden.
Eisenhower and Truman would never had been free market with China as Democrat and republican were in 80's to this day.
They were the kind saying : If you get rich in washington is because you are corrupted... If you want get a friend in political/Washington ; you must get a dog.
These type of men would hate what USA is becoming today.
@@mkrump9403 Yeah - I just mentioned Eisenhower as you had not said anything about him when talking about the other military commanders who later became politicians.
One HELL of a video! Watched your US vs Soviet vid and this one made me subscribe. Keep it up man
Very informative video, thank you Kermit🐸!
People forget how close north Korea was to winning. Also how crazy the plan by Macarthur was
It was also very close to loosing, thanks to China it still exists now.
@Аякс Нгуен Ян South Korea had only Pusan*** 🤦♂️
@Аякс Нгуен Ян canadian soldier fought in that war and didnt retreat when tried taking Seoul. I would thank him he said it was no retreat and fought on. What a legend lol
Truman did the right thing. There was and still is no reason to start a major war. War only leads to suffering.
I learned a lot in this video, thanks Binkov!
I remember hearing or seeing about this somewhere on RUclips but totally forgot about it, here I am again relearning it because you’re videos are just so interesting and well done
It's a good thing those bombs weren't used. The radiation would have been disastrous for both Americans and Koreans. It shows that generals at that time had no idea what they were dealing with.
Given two major cities inside a country that controlled and that MacArthur was in charge of had been nuked only five years prior, it seems a safe bet they at least had this much knowledge
The wind would have affected the entire area. Korea, Japan would be affected.
@@bobs_toys McArthur was planning to use nukes and then have his own men parade around through the radioactive areas, dooming them to horrible deaths. That's a pretty clear sign of having no understanding of the horrors of radiation poisoning. Even five years after Hiroshima, the long term effects of radiation was not fully understood. The test subjects in Japan were still being studied.
@@tek87 that's a fair counterpoint
the ignorance of this comment section is off the charts
I can’t comprehend how people can still justify the use of nuclear weapons, it’s absurd.
@@jacksonsun9050 Atomic warheads are not H-Bombs . And to note that both places the US used atom bombs (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) are doing fine. No cancer or disease increase and both populace industrial cities. H-Bombs delivered by ICBM's are civilization killers but the USSR didn't have them at the time and the US could have shot down most or even all of the Russian Bombers entering US airspace and what few managed to get here, we could rebuild. Whether we should have is a separate argument though/
Great analysis!
This is a great video. I hope to see more like these in the future!
After reading the comments in the comment area, I think there are still many people who need high-quality education. Especially those who cited Wikipedia data.
That's how I feel 90% of the time with youtube comments
@Not Telling except when politics are involved, wikipedia is good for facts but politics are rarely logical
-nuke em
-no
-Nuke em
-No
-Nuke em
-No
-ah come on!
-you're fired
"Not LenON! LenIN!!
@@miguelmontenegro3520 no, Its LinEN not LenIN.
Oversimplified 😂
Great analysis and insight.
Do one where china almost got nuked by the Soviets during the sino soviet split
Which year?
@@mkrump9403 it was the late 60s early 70s. It literally got to the point where the Soviets called the U.S and asked them not to interfere
@@rafaelmartinez1893 1969 but the hatred lasted until the very end in 1991. There was also a plan to invade with the ROC in the 1980s. It failed because Chiang Ching Kuo didn't want to split China with the USSR.
@@andro7862 Then Chiang Ching Kuo got a backbone, respect!
The comments are completely ignorant about the war, if they didn't sign the armistice, the Korean infrastructure would have been worst, and if they did drop the bomb, the Soviets would have got better excuses to nuke their enemies, which would cause further nuclear annihilation. Korea wouldn't be the same from this timeline, but the government would have been similar to Myanmar.
Exactly, some comments are acting like 'murica actually nuked china.
@Nick Bennett
It wouldn't, nuking China is worst, and the event wouldn't be just Korea, but the entire world. If China was nuked, the USSR would have involved and created sanctions at the Security council. When that happens, the United Nation would collapse into two kinds of side. The west and the east. Both hated each other due to an ideological difference. If China was nuked, the USSR would most likely intervene and send its militants to support North Korea, the USSR would have used this excuse to nuke other nations which heavily criticize US foreign policy by using targeting hypocrisy. Since China is extremely big, the war will never be over until South Korea surrendered, if they did nuke, North Korea would have gain more territories due to the geography, despite the supply lines, the Soviets would have to issue it. The generals and Truman were both correct that starting an apocalypse to justify a small nation is a terrific idea. If you're invested in history, you would realize that Communism used to be popular which explains the guerillas in South Korea, this would have done similar to the Vietnam war. And what does insult exactly made the argument discussed easier? I suppose you wanted to damage my mentality.
@Nick Bennett your types have such a simple view of the world
A note for anyone who cares. Its not Pusan, it is actually Busan. P and B switch sounds in korean depending on its location in the word. So even though the korean spelling would look like a P because its first letter it has a B sound "the same for T and D as well"
thanks for a good video on what can be a confusing topic
most Westerners don't know Sino-Soviet Conflicts 1969? that's when Soviet tried to nuke China but China didn't kowtow to Soviet, then China teamed up with USA against Soviet in Indochina and Afghanistan.
I just came here to have a look at the comment section.
Lol, exactly as what I thought it would be.
"At least so far"
Me: *looks at December 2020*
Don't. Please don't.
Militia 3 and DF-41 alert!
2 videos in a week!!!
This is a miracle
I think he's russian
Good job!! Best analisys geopolitics militar youtubers
The leaders we had in America at that time were weak and their choices gave us the problems we have today. MacArthur was also to aggressive. He failed to understand the true nature of these weapons and didnt realize a compromise with less destructive bombs. His failure gave weak men strength.
@Payne Max use what?
I only agree with the first part
@@stevekillgore9272 thats fine but history shows MacArthur was removed since his desire to use atomic weapons against our other enemies. This painted him as radical and uncompromising. MacArthur could have adjusted his tactics to still attack the Chinese by explaining the threat the Chinese posed to our interest. At the same time not alienating himself. I am a huge Mac fan. And I believe he was correct in his assessment of the future enemies we would face. But he did fail in the end. Not from weakness or cowardice. But from lack of imagination when it counted and offering compromise suitable to others desires. He was a great general and man but he lacked political finesse. He was enamored by the brightness of his own star and failed to identify the enemies hidden in the shadows.
Don't even bother reading the comments.
Too late, read yours..
I agree
Some must be educated...
@@mkrump9403 This comment section proves the necessity of re-education camps lol. What kind of psycho thinks nuking the most populous country in earth is acceptable
@留中不留共 The US empires genocidal Korean War killed 20% of all Koreans. You don't get to launch nuclear strikes on another country just because your imperialist war of choice isn't going well.
Thanks a lot.
I have briefly talked about this with a friend of mine from the Chinese city of Shenyang not far from North Korea. It's possible if MacArthur's plan had gone ahead, she might not have been even born.
My wife is from there.
I was there during the 2006 north Korean missile tests. It was one of the only times I've had nightmares. Far too close for comfort.
That quote from General Bradley didn’t age too well.
While we shouldn’t have used nukes, and it would’ve been rough, 1950 might have been the most ideal time to deal with the Chinese Communist threat.
very, very good point.
1000% correct
5 months later and this statement is more true than ever before 😂
Perhaps the massacre of tens of millions is something that only in Stalin and Hitler's conscience does not matter, Truman must have felt this action as morally shaking.
When did stalin kill tens of milions buddy?
@The Nova renaissance The USSR had a minor arsenal and no ability to deliver it to the USA in 1950. They weren't nuking anybody
@The Nova renaissance In the video he explains that the Soviet Union had far fewer nuclear weapons than the United States. Mutual destruction was inconceivable.
@The Nova renaissance At the time, the USSR wouldn't have been able to "nuke the US into the stone age". The Soviets successfully detonated a nuke for the first time only a few months earlier. They didn't have a large enough number of bombs and they hadn't figured out the delivery system with bombers and ICBMs haven't been conceived yet. For perspective, North Korea detonated their first nuke 16 years ago and their nuclear strike capabilities are still pathetic as a threat to the continental United States.
In 1950, if we really stretch it and shoot the same bullethole multiple times, the Soviets theoretically may have been able to bomb the US with nuclear weapons but it was not a threat that was credible enough to change the political math. The binary condition of simply having nukes was all the USSR could rely on for political weight involving nukes.
@abcde fghij Stalin killed 5-9 million people. Still horrible of course but the tens of millions think your referencing comes from “the black book of communist” a frequently debunked piece of American propaganda from the Cold War. The book counts Nazi soldiers ass victims of Stalin for Christ sake. This isn’t to aggrandize Stalin of course he was a monster but anybody who says he and Hitler were the same are also engaging in denialism. Hitler was worse than Stalin for starting WW2 at the very least. People have to start taking a more nuanced look at history if we’re to learn anything from it
Hey, you could do state vs state battles?
Binkov, please dont forget spanish subs! Greetings from Chile, South America! Great job!
Oh wow, now that is a daring strategy. McArthur was not playing around.
McArthur was a badass
@@floridaman4073 he really was
Weak Diplomatic Talk of President Truman prevented the defeat of Communism in Southeast Asia.
Diplomacy, the strategy of hot air politicians and limp wrist diplomats.
Nuke the Yellow Horde then and today the problems in the South China Sea world NOT exist.
Lame Politics of a lame President.
@@floridaman4073 He is today called an American Cesar.
No he was not playing.
I didn't know MacArthur wanted to spread cobalt along the Yalu. Fucking maniac.
Would have spread plutonium mines if it was me.
Korean war was before Agent orang vietnam war. US is just pure evil at that rate. It was proven by saving nazi scientists.
Also, I believe, Truman conscience....he used the weapon twice already. We’re talking about millions of casualties here...again
All the best to everyone
But Mao left his tens of millions of people to die by starvation in the Great Feminine period.
@@nathanlee8329 Western media is fantastic
@@starswift7932 You can confirm this information from Baidu Baike. Is it western media?
Show me the link
@@nathanlee8329 Does this has anything to do with what you claim?
Hey Binkov do a similar videos if they used nukes during vietnam war
You should do one on a theoretical civil war scenario next: red vs blue states, no nukes
It's fitting for these times...
@Zen Ara true but could be fun, let's say that both red states get to keep their military bases and forces deployed there
@Zen Ara with what?
enlisted: slightly conservative
officer corp: overwhelmingly conservative
police force: overwhelmingly conservative
armed population: overwhelmingly conservative
resource regions: overwhelmingly conservative
land controlled: overwhelmingly conservative
the left is very good at bitching. it is not very good at actually fighting. take a look at county voting map and you'd realize the shit state democrat would be in if a civil war is to start: encircled in their cities, with no food and very little power.
Nuke' em
No
Nuke' em
No
Aww c'mon
YOU FIRED !
Dude....
Uncool
How do you make videos like this? I would be interested in making similar videos. Only asking because I am new to creating content
Hey Mr. Bink, could you do a video on the Quad alliance vs China? I know how much you love topical content :/
China would go for Asia and Australia (maybe Europe in the late game) and it would seem like China is absolutly dominating until the US comes and beats China
@@mruwuowo4599 its.... Not really that simple.
RUclips in 2020:
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true
McArthur plan was hardcore. Just imagine if he had been allowed to put it into action.
Genocide=hardcore whatever you say CHUD
Every major power will be using nuclear weapons
If he did, the human race would be annihilated. You wouldn’t be to make this comment smh
shout out to the best war channel !
You haven't kill your enemy, one day they will come back with stronger might and it will be a hard time for you to remember.
Thank god that hasn’t-fuck China is the second largest economy and will overtake America
agree human kind must destroy usa or they will destroy life on earth!
A comment on the use of nukes, at that time, for "tactical" purposes. In order to justify, from a use of limited resources standpoint, using a nuclear weapon, you would need a large concentration of enemy forces. That would require intel with a big lead time. Nuclear warheads at that time had to be used within a few days...a week at most...of being assembled. It took a team from 48 to 72 hours to assemble a bomb. Once assembled, you then had 3 days to use it The heat from the uranium/plutonium cores would start to melt the electronics inside the bomb after about a week. Also, the bombs at that time used a lead battery for power...the same kind as were used in cars at that time. Those batteries would only last in those bombs for about 3 days before losing power. So what a commander would need is to know that 5 to 6 days from now, the enemy will have a large sized....say several divisions at least...force at a particular place. The chance of a commander in the early 1950s getting that kind of a lead time in intel was going to be fairly small.
Good analysis
People often know when the war is fought in but often treat the technologies and tactic of that time as same as now.
This is false. Nuclear weapons do not meltdown on their own like that.
Are you from a family with any military experience? War is never clean, with or without nuclear weapons.
Life is full of missed opportunities.
More like a near miss to a fatal mistake.
I hope China doesn't make the same mistake and pulverize US soon. The whole will be thankful.
@@MarcusSantAnna Taiwan is a independent country
I love the speakers voice tone
And rember . Binkov may talk about weapons but real peace will NOT be found!
Its very telling on the quality of the Mig that the Sabre pilots openly praised the plane, despite the poor quality of its pilots. To roughly quote a Sabre Pilot "If they were in our planes and we were in theirs, the dogfights would have gone the same way."
True, but you have to consider doctrine. The Mig-15 was purposely designed with bad quality in mind in the same way the Soviet T-34s were designed. The Soviets did not value ergonomics because of their experience in WW2 which led them to believe that the guns and characteristics of the vehicle would be more important than the quality and ergonomics.
@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 many say the T-34 is the best tanks in the second world war. You should look it up it's quite interesting.
@@penguinpingu3807 Many say stupid things...People also say the Tiger was the best on the other side...Truth is...the M4 sherman from a quality to cost and production perspective hands down, was the best
@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 but the unskilled and crude methods used to build the T-34 fit the soviets capabilities, making it good for the soviets...they couldn't have built a sherman nearly as easily
@@granddukeofmecklenburg But even if the Soviets were able to make a Sherman, the T-34 would have suited their needs much better.
A great oportunity lost.
Could you do an episode on the Cuban missile crisis.
Canada was one of the founding members of NATO but on the map they were still white
@Binkov
I’m sorry to have to bring this to your attention, however I found a point you may have overlooked.
Canada is a founding member of NATO. At the beginning this video, the map presented, showed that Canada was not a part of NATO. Please, if your video is able to be edited, please do so.
I always look forward to seeing Binkov put out a new video! Please don’t stop!
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Please be well and safe during the Covid plague!
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Well Canada was not the only founder, it was US, Canada, and the UK 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇬🇧
@@paranoidphantom9989 US and Canada, with 10 European countries - UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Iceland
@@paranoidphantom9989 since then all of the nations that have joined NATO are European, and most of them are EU member nations as well, with the EU designating NATO as their main means of large-scale defence cooperation rather than to create their own institutions for that purpose
@@paranoidphantom9989
Understood! I mentioned Canada specifically because it was left out being a part of the organization on the map Binkov displayed. 😎
@@Steve9312028 ohhhh ok I understand now! 👍
beware, beware, there are many bloodthirsty warmongers in the comment section. stay away from the comments for your own mental health.
^^ Heed this man's warning.
Don’t I know it, I’m gonna need some pills after this
I regret that decision.
Preach it bro
Maybe you could do another West vs East WW 3 scenario but in 1950's.
7:10 While ethically bonkers, from a strategic standpoint that's a pretty smart plan
Is really easy just bomb everything and then attack
From today's PoV, it's totally and fully ethical, not even dubious. The CCP has killed more chinese by today, than all the nukes extant in the 50s dropped on chine ever could
Well i've learned History more on youtube than 12 years on school
I still wonder why Soviets just gifted SK to the US, if there were no guarantees to split Japan like Germany and Austria.
Probably because they knew the US had nukes and would use them, long before the soviets had any of their own. They could have put in motion MacArthur's wet dream of nuking everything in sight.
nice video
What is the exact 'Norris & Kristensen' citation, thx...?
15:32 But in the end, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTEEEEERRRR
Fun fact: This represents the only time the Chinese directly fought with massed US armed forces, and not only did they give a fantastic show of themselves, they would have outright won without the threat of nuclear weapons.
Edit: Damn MacArthur was a fucking idiot... I had no idea.
It was also a surprise attack, when The UN did not expect a Chinese attack, nevertheless a mass one. No matter what, if you have a large enough force, your chances of winning are hell of a lot higher with a surprise attack. They ended up getting pushed back to the DMZ
@@alexavalos5437 Yup. Overall it demonstrated a lot of competence from a then infant Nation, and really reminded the US that quantity has a quality all its own.
@@alexavalos5437 As the video mentioned, the UN were aware of Chinese forces but MacArthur miscalculated and thought the Chinese would not attack (5:34). It was only a "surprise attack" because MacArthur buried his head in the sand. The UN got screwed over because they severely underestimated the Chinese troops, as you appear to be doing right now.
@@alexavalos5437 mao literally told Truman he would intervene but Truman was like “no balls”. US intelligence has always been horribly bad at mapping out enemy intentions, it one of the reasons were in the clusterfuck were in now geopolitically
Robin bot
Don't think you really studied this war in detail. Fact the Chinese lost around 650 000 troops US lost just over 50 000.
Reason chinese lacked
artillery tanks and air cover.
U.s lacked will. Chinese dictatorship was willing to accept casualties.
Of course after Stslins death US could have won and united Korea. But American sentiment was to accept status wuo ante.
Too bad.
Thx Kommissar Binkov 4 using the true flag of the Union of South Africa! Dankie/ Merci.
Nice Vedio
Even tho 5 star general will not be retired until death.
This plan was the reason why general McArthur loses his commanding right in Korea.
Alternatehistoryhub covered this topic from less tactical and more sort of philosophical point of view. I highly recommend also watching their video.
Was there a Mk. 5 series nuke to bridge Mks 4 and 6?
I forgot everything oversimplified said, but it went something like, Both leaders were sweet looking old men, but dont let that fool you, they were both ruthless dictators
Oversimplified, Classic
In my eyes. It was probably a good thing they didn't use nuclear weapons. Things would had gotten apocalyptic if they did.
Yes this might have set a precedent for future nuclear use.
Also using nuclear weapons is just bad in general
@@nickyman5557 im sure the radioactive fallout would be bad too but it would be neat to see all the three eyed fish. 💥🐟🐠🐬🐳🐋👈😂
@@nickyman5557 you misunderstood my previous comment. I did not state that china should be nuked. I meant that this would have legitimized nuclear use in any future war. Also the humor was expressed as the impact of radiation on life on earth. Never watched the simpsons i assume?
McCarther: Hey, mind if I go full-on maniacal villian?
Truman: How 'bout, no.
McCarther: Pleeeease!
Truman: You're fired.
@ilgamesh lol, ummm, no.
Or at least there’s no way to really support that claim. Generally, the US had more influence on average than the USSR throughout the Cold War. It would more likely be the case that such 3rd World Nations would get behind the US, even if just begrudgingly in the hopes that they wouldn’t get nuked. Asia might have leaned more towards The Soviet Union and China, but South America and Africa would be solidly in the West’s sphere of influence
Also, 3rd world countries uniting, pfft, lol. That’s adorable
@ilgamesh Fair point, though this assumes that the Soviet Union doesn't use their own nuclear weapons in some other proxy war, which they would feel more comfortable doing once the US set the precedent.
Presuming you can read reasonably well, I suggest William Manchester's book AMERICAN CAESAR, etc. about MacArthur. It's easy to find, and is available on Kindle as well.
Your nato map has a mistake, Denmark was a founding member, but was left blank. just fyi
It's because Denmark isn't real. Duh! Everyone knows this.
He might have prevented WW3 from happening
Hmmm maybe, maybe he caused it, Time will tell.
@Napoléon Bonaparte It is said by someone who is biased towards the Communist Party of China with its entire pile of dead behind it for a change LOL.
Is very danger if nuke weapon get to the wrong hand. cant imagine the colateral damage will cause by this nuke.
Mcarthur was probably mad
Can you do next video middle east vs europe?
Yeah,that might happen....
Mao famously said," Nuclear weapons are paper tigers."
Then he followed up with, " but if you don't have them, then the nuclear weapons become the real tigers."
The US threatened China with nukes during the Korean War in 1952
The UK threatened China with nukes if China took Hongkong in 1961
The Soviets threatened China with nukes in 1969
After China developed nukes and medium range missiles, no one has ever threatened China with nukes again...
iran wants the same i guess
It's more of the fact (threatening) to nuke became obsolete. Why tell others your plan of action. In 2020 no need to treat, the whole world's in check that's the treat itself.
@@hy4630 2 things about that though. Iran is more likely to use them, they will bring a nuke to a knife fight. 2nd the biggest issue with that is if they got nukes, they will probably be used even if the Iran leaders wanted them for deterrence only. They need more control over themselves 1st before they should get nukes. Russia went through something like that for a long while. The rest of the world watch them closely because even the government didn't have control over their country not for the most part. A rouge Russian nuke could have launched without the government's say so but in the end Russia would have payed for it.
@@bubbasmith7312 i dont think they would use it to attack at all its just a detterance thing and to defend them self but i dont think they would be able to get it either because the usa wouldn't let that happen and they would fabricate some bullshit to invade iran like they did in Iraq but this would lead to alot more casualties
That's one reason why MacArthur was fired.
See where Truman got us.
Egypt vs Ethiopia next, the dam crisis comeon dude make it happen !!
america : guys i am peacefull i swear!!...
also america : LeT's nUkE cHiNa bAcK tO tHe StOnE aGe!
We didn’t actually nuke China so wtf kind of point are you trying to make?
@@paranoidphantom9989 Look at the comments from Americans under this vedio. I didn't believe anyone would ask their country to nuke another country until I saw here.
@@ethanpan1344 It’s not just Americans saying that you know? And also just because a few people said that why would you blame the entire country of the United States smh 🤦♂️
Any country has a right to defend itself
Including political dictatorships / tyrannies?
Hey Blinkov, are you aware that some people are watermarking you’re content in their videos as their own?
They should’ve lobbed one at Beijing, maybe we would’ve gotten some cool Chinese anime
Why does everyone want to see China get nuked jesus christ. You realize that the people who will suffer are the Chinese citizens and not their government.
@Hasibur Rahman Thank you. It's nice to see people with some common sense.
@Hasibur Rahman True. Look at the comment above mine. Edit: The comment got deleated lol.
@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 you underestimate chinese hentai
@Joseph Li Huh, now I'm starting the question the United States's strength. Can't be powerful if your citizens are stupid.
Never realized Stalin's death ended the war.
The Soviet and US also considering to make a preemptive strike to destroy the Chinese nuclear program.
But both US and Soviet are not aware about that each other's plan, and they are afraid that one of them will help china and it will become a full scale nuclear war.
Maybe if they have a good diplomatic relations before, they will do it.
At these times officers always thought these are weapons for actual use
With hindsight, it's a shame it didn't happen. We wouldn't have the Chinese problem now.
yeah yeah, warmongers west are certainly never the problem
@Sr.Bostola superior genocidal colonialism indeed
Now they got better nuke tech
Chinas gonna take over the world
Better to nuke US and end the monopoly
McArthur: i paid for the whole US arsenal and i'm going to use the whole US arsenal