Beyond Borders: The Isle of Man TT: Death and Glory
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- At the Isle of Man TT motorbike races, David Foster talks to the riders courting death for a chance at glory, and the loved ones, organisers and bystanders swept into their world of speed and danger.
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You meet the most talented, motivated and determined people, giving everything, to do what they love the most and the only question you come with: but what if you die?
My thoughts exactly. You get the impression from some of the answers that the riders didn't understand what the interviewer was trying to achieve. The TT is a unique event, a drug for riders and spectators alike, that is an angle that should have been explored for balance.
Pride and glory are sinful tho. Pride is humanitys downfall
@@steve00alt70 I can take pride in a job that I’ve manufactured, it’s not sinful to take pride in what you do…..the riders, organisers, volunteers etc can all take pride in an event that goes from strength to strength, if you could ask any rider thats passed if they wanted the event stopped I’m pretty sure I know the answer you’d get, I’ve had a mate killed on the island, I know what he’d say.
@@steve00alt70when's this downfall coming because from what I've seen humanity is going from strength to strength?
@steve00alt70 : I'm sorry you don't have pride in what you do. I'm very proud of what I've done and I'm most proud of my two strong sons.
Reporter clearly came with an agenda and was determined to push it. The lady in kirk michael should sell her house, the TT was there before she was.
Yeah, to begin with I would agree. It did seem like he had only Death on his mind. But the lady at Kirk Michael, the phycologist, what she fails to understand is that when things go wrong, Men don't always need a hug. Sometimes they just need to get on with things. Deal with the bad stuff later.
You can't run away from your trauma. She clearly states what still triggers her, that can't be hard to understand. I would have liked an official statement concerning what is being done to support traumatized marshals. Seeing a fatal crash, literally having to pick up the pieces, will traumatize anyone. These people should not be left alone with that. I think the biggest danger to the TT will come from these parts. Not riders dying, but riders dying publicly and the effects that has on non-riders.
It looks to me like she's the one that can't get over the trauma
BS
She bought the house knowing its on the TT course, but it will help her sell a book on dealing with trauma.
The worst kind of hypocrite.
You have to take one thing from this video….the riders are not forced to do the TT , they ride the course, because they want to, it’s the ultimate road race challenge, possibly the last greatest one, where a rider puts him or herself against the clock around the 37.3/4 miles of the mountain circuit 👍🇮🇲
Mental support seems lacking aswell as safety
@@steve00alt70very hard to make the track safer than it is the dangers is part of it. But yes the Marshall mental support isn't something I had thought about till this video 👍
@@steve00alt70safety safety safety... Shut up ya girl
@@steve00alt70not everyone needs mental support. Some people are clearly built differently. “Mental health “ is so overblown. Not everyone falls apart at every little thing
This dude is full of negative energy. I wouldn't have let him in my pit. Instead of doing a piece on what a great race it is, the legacy of it and the people who died racing it, he just wants to focus on the negative/bad side and bring everyone else down in the process.
Agreed
EXACTLY because it's supported by Turkish TV. Turkish TV hates anything that has to do with Western civilization i.e. white Christians a sport that is 99.999% white Christian riders... they hate that..I mean oh well thats the truth not sorry if it offends you.. therefore the IOMTT is bad for the world.. if they had their way, we all be watching soccer.. which is THEE MOST ASININE BORING SPORT ON THE PLANET .. akin to watching paint dry .. bunch of gutless namby pambys 'athletes' ..
Evidently 6 riders died racing this circuit in 2022, he is simply pointing out that the TT races are extremely dangerous, but people know and accept the risks of death and life changing injuries.
I agree. If someone like that is around people that are going to race within a short time, he's potentially causing their death.
That woman is a come over, she’s not Manx born and bred - buys a house on the TT course and then moans about it - that is the epitome of pure arrogance on her part. Cannot stand those types of people. As for the reporter stay at home and play golf pal, can just imagine that smarmy git in the club house, again the further we are away from them types the better.
The lads that race the TT are genuine down to earth people with no airs or graces. One thing this documentary highlighted was just that and I know the types of people I’d prefer to be around.
She is telling the truth and she is offering therapy to the people affected but the TT doesnt offer help to its people. Just goes to show what the TT would rather prioritize.
@@steve00alt70no. The TT is a tradition. These guys do it for the thrill. It shows how much you know about riding. I’ve rode for 4 years now, it’s a mental clarity where I feel the most alive and in touch with myself. It’s in the heart and you don’t know until you ride or know someone who does.
I have raced at the TT, I have lost mates at the TT, it is what it is. Road racing never killed anyone who wouldn't have died at some point anyway, so you're not risking your life when you race at the TT, you're risking years. You're risking dying at 25 or 35 or 45, instead of dying at 65, 75 or 85. For those of us who do it, it's a conscious decision that it's worth the risk. It's that simple and no one else has the right to decide these things for other people.
You can't tell people what they should and shouldn't do. He clearly had an opinion before even going to the event. I will be racing the Manx gp hopefully in 2024 and I'm doing it of my own free will. If I die, I will have died living my life long dream. I suspect that this man will never be aloud in any paddock after this documentary comes out
& Good! The way he portrayed the TT has really annoyed me..
Good luck in 2024 Jake!
I just came back from IoM. One of the most wonderful places on earth. Such a treasure.
"go to the isle of man and do a load of one sided interviews"
Respect to these men
In his head , Ryan slapped that guy at least 9 times..
Respect to all them guys, absolutely none to that reporter
Everyone dies, but not everyone lives
Well said🏆
Absolutely, spot on !!!!!!!!!!!
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As others have said this had an agenda. I am a former road racer and raced for 12 years at various levels. My only racing regret was never competing on the Isle of Man when I had the chance to, because my family asked me not to. I knew the risk every time I lined up for the start of a race. I’ve seen many crashes and had more than I can remember myself. I have seen two deaths in races I was competing in (one I saw happen) and I went back in the paddock, put the tyre warmers on and waited for the restart. We understood the risk and we were willing to take it because the thrill of pushing a bike to the limit in a test of skill against others is the most intoxicating experience, and when you come out on top, the buzz lasts for a long time. The biggest metal trauma I had from racing was retiring from it! I suffered depression and anxiety that I’d never had before, and it left a huge hole in my life. I agree that marshals and race organisers should have help following a stressful experience, it’s different from them, as riders you flick a switch when you go in to race mode, but for these people they are fans who are getting involved and are not always best placed to deal with the stress of this. As for the woman on the course, I’m afraid she purchased a house in the wrong place, attacking the TT just comes across as a “not in my backyard” moment. I understand that it would have been traumatic for her, but if you buy a house right on the edge of the TT course there is always a chance a bike/sidecar will end up in your garden. Every year I find myself thinking, “should I come back to do the Manx and then retire again?”.
Great comment 👍 👌
Very well put
That's a much more balanced and a fairer comment than most here. I have watched this reporter cover many topics and the personal insults thrown at him are just childish. Everyone tells stories, whether they are boasting of their heroics or highlighting the dangers. He's an older man, maybe he has some life experience that makes him wistful to see young men die and leave grieving families behind them. There's nothing wrong in that, it's a natural order. The film I saw was him exploring all the consequences of having deaths in the race,I didn't hear him pushing any agenda. He sounded quite admiring of the one man who had to pull it all together,he explored the threat of rising costs to the race. The racers might be perfectly happy to risk their lives and I understand that is the appeal for them, but they have to accept that it affects other people beyond themselves. That's what he's exploring. And of course someone who bought a house on the road of the race gets little sympathy. Like city people moving to the country and complaining about tractors and church bells 🙄
It must be annoying to face the same types of questions again and again and fair play to the Crowe brothers for the way they handled the reporter. Its also boring to keep hearing the same questions and having to see the riders defending what they're doing and why they're doing it.
As for Mrs Forrest, she and her husband must have known the risks of a rider dying on their doorstep when they bought the house but they still proceeded to buy the house so are they any different to the riders who are just doing what they want to do also?
The TT isn’t about dying, it’s about living. If the riders taking the risk accept the dangers then why can’t everyone else? Poor documentary very unbalanced. Not once did you ask the psychologist what are the mental benefits/upsides of doing something like this. Also the underlying criticism that you are a bad father if you do this, the TT are negligent towards their riders etc etc.
The TT are negligent tho thats the truth nobody wants to hear. Many just close their ears.
Thank you for your input, i fight with people with this opinion!!!🎉🎉🎉
How can anyone handle a life unfulfilled would be another view. “What if you die”? What if you die not doing the things you wish you would’ve done. My life is my life. Whose business is it of anyone to tell me how to live it. Or not live it
Will this reporter now go and report on the 17 deaths on Mount Everest this year?? I doubt so!
I totally agree. The likes of him only pick on those who are honourable enough not to bash him up. I’m certain he hasn’t got the guts to challenge the likes of China, North Korea, Iran or Russia regarding their human rights record or PTSD suffered by the students during the Tianamen square massacre. A traitor
these guys live more in one race than the majority of us live in a lifetime
Well...if you think this is living more than many years...not for me. For me means nothing this race. Of course is great to see but there are many things in our life than just a...dangerous sport.
@@TheSpiritofTrance Name them?
@@TheSpiritofTrance : It's much more than a dangerous sport. I'm sorry you can't appreciate that.
@@andrewbragg504 : It is a lot more than just a dangerous sport but one thing more important is teaching my sons to be good men. There are others.
Old guy seems to fear his own death quite a bit - and the deep regret he'll have for never having taken a proper risk of his own.
These boys are gladiators there doing what they love and we wish we could do much respect ❤
Amazing athletes, absolute gladiators. Mad respect for all of the riders
They're sitting on powerful bikes..not running it with their own legs🤦
There's a very famous quote on a plaque in a cave here in South Africa where we dive, it reads: You have not lived until you have almost died, for those who have fought for it, life has a flavor that the protected will never know.
For these Gladiators, putting on your helmet and getting onto that bike or into the sidecar is not a ritual preceded by thoughts of "what if I die" its a ritual preceded by thoughts of "this is going to be the most alive I'll ever feel" or "this is going to be the most exciting moment in my life" so to cheapen it with a question like what if you die, shows ignorance beyond words and a lack of understanding in what it means to truly live your life.
Death is inevitable, failure to live fully before death is a deprivation of freedom.
The last thing the riders need when they’re trying to focus during TT week is this clown turning up asking these types of questions and pushing his agenda.
There is no agenda he is just revealing the truth
@@steve00alt70What truth? He asked the most stupid question.
@@steve00alt70 : What truth ?
What a feeble hit job attempt on the TT.
Quite a biased journalistic approach in my opinion, poor show
Yes I sgree,what a turkey that man is .
As the saying goes : If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand.
The chap interviewing thinks 3:20 who's Joey Dunlop ?.
Bad journalism. No study for the interviews and the point of view of the old guy is already negative in terms of tt generally
He is only revealing the truth. Many shy away from the truth.
He never asked why that lady chose to buy a house on the TT course.
Because she didnt bring it up
To some, these guys are just bananas….people with a love of testing their fates….to others, they are just doing what they love and many grow old never having done so.
I love watching videos about the Isle of man TT. For myself going 60 km/h down a mountain on a bicycle is more than enough. (while writing this I realise that the result of hitting a brick wall with 60 can have the same result as with 200)
Can’t understand why reporters go over to the tt to criticise it why don’t they mind their own business and stay in their wee bubble wrap world
This reporter isn't interested in trying to understand the riders or the race, he has only one agenda
Those that don’t get it will never get it and the thrill of putting it all out there and succeeding where others fear to tread. Ride it like you stole it😊
You should go to North Korea. You'd love it there
very interested about the isle of man....never thought TRT world would be talking about them!
Close to death one feels alive the most.Doing something you love .I
now that a life lived.(loving something yo death) Most live life Fearing death and wanting to live long not living.These guys are Irish Renegade Vikings ninja !!! Legends
couldn't make it even 5 minutes in and "presenter" already lived up to the stereotype of media everyone hates. If the boys were doing some other high-risk job everyone ignores, you'd not hear these questions.
I know what you mean and I agree that lots of interviewers are irritating but this guy wasn't berating anyone, he was just being inquisitive. I thought it was very interesting to get the lady psychologist in.
@@TessaTickle : She lied about the help available to volunteers. Of course they support services for everyone.
Surprised Davo didn’t turf this guy out of his tent 😆
Ohh i was hoping to see MD answer a couple of this guys questions. Strange, Dunlop usually loves answering these types of questions from guys like this
Not true about no support either - after the crashes at Ago's leap in 2022, all marshalls and witnesses were offered free councilling. Such a despictacle approach to it - asking people questions guarenteed to open old wounds, on purpose, to try and make a moot point.
Thank god mark, little by little deserves her glory with a beautiful paint job. And I'd be with you with all blue with the classic stripes but maybe different ones to what you've pick,
If you don’t like what other people do don’t watch it if you want to stop it don’t go there you sir are part of the problem you can’t or won’t do it and you are jealous
I have a feeling this fellas never ridden a bike...
...hes probably been ridden quite a lot though.
After reading the comments, so much for this video .
From the TRT youtube description:
'We try to promote change...a global conscience...and the diversity of the lives around us.'
I think we can see who these people are from their own words.
I would definitely try it. Love those ride along videos
FUN FACT the padding is not there to protect the riders they are there to preserve the lampposts or mail boxes which are very old
Milky! I'm surprised at you, Pembrey's in Wales, not England. As for this reporter, Guy Martin famously said "if you don't like it, go home, cut your grass, and leave us to it". I can see this guy doing a piece on the military, about how dangerous it is, without ever having put a uniform on.
TT Rider's have real Balls of Steel but They just doe what they Love and They feel born to ,
Honor all the Ones , who loved them because they knowed what Their Loved Ones lived and Died for , .... my honest Respect to the Ones who misses them more then others ever can .
Well, that's a thunbs down and a block from me.
What an ahhhsole.
Because he is brave to speak out against the TT?
@@steve00alt70 Why does it need 'speaking out against'?
Don't like it? don't watch it.
Why was this biased piece of crap produced in the first place?
To whom is it aimed and for what purpose?
The TT organisers, competitors, volunteers, fans, sponsors and manufacturers?
No, it's aimed at people like you, People who thrive off sensational headlines. People who's lives are so empty they need something to crow about in the hope that someone else, equally as unfulfilled will agree with them and join in the hand wrinnging declarations of 'Down with that sort of thing'. (See: Father Ted).
What skin is it off your nose?
Frankly, I find it pathetic.
Now, go do something with YOUR life and leave others to make their own choices with regards to their own.
If the reporter were talking to round the world sailors or mountaineers, he wouldn't ask these questions. He'd hold them up as examples of heroism. What's the difference?
This is brianwashery clearly trying to show the TT in a negative light 😭
one life live it
The most dangerous place in the world is your bed. More people die there than anywhere else. Never stopped me from sleeping.
When I rode motorcycles people would also say how dangerous they were. People don’t understand the reward of risk.
Biased and shameful reporting TRT
People that don't understand it want to ban it, this programme has a hidden agenda, you get two people together with wheels and they will race each other even 6 year olds on pedal bikes.
The TT is very much a reflection of life itself in that death is an intrinsic, unavoidable part of both.
And the TT is only for the person that is comfortable with and understands that fact, and through that understanding and acceptance has a far richer experience than if they were to live in denial of these essential facts.
To a lot of commenters - this man/documentary team are allowed to not like the TT and resent the damage it causes. No one wants to hear it, or talk about the fallout of death. It's a reasonable position. The TT is a form of madness and a lot of people will hate it. That's fine.
I feel like this man could have extracted more out of this beyond the question of death or safety. Clearly, the riders don't like talking about it much, also asking these questions during the event doesn't seem like good timing. Perhaps 6 months after? Maybe there could have been another angle to understand it more. I'm not an interviewer, I don't know.
The interview with Mrs. Forrest is fascinating and highlights, for me, a gap the TT organizers need to fill - trauma counselling and taking care of their staff during fatalities. The TT ends every year but the trauma doesn't. Also Mrs. Forrest just offers very well-thought-out opinions on something very complicated, I'd enjoy speaking with her personally.
Overall - I think this video could have achieved a lot more than it has, it feels like a wasted opportunity. Asking the brother about his child, twice, is time I would have rather spent with more people like Mrs. Forrest or marshalls etc.
how many ppl died on public road due to traffic accident or drunk driving every year? - way more than the number of ppl die in TT. CASE CLOSED
Very very poor journalism. Incredibly bias report! Went with an agenda, editted to support this. Questions frame and loaded to support it. Leave the TT and it's family alone.
you can be brave, or ultra brave, different level these guys......
These people are racers that’s what they love, seeds of doubt don’t help. There are always repercussions from racing. It’s a dangerous sport not flower arrangement.
I must say I disagree with most of the comments as I think it was positive to show the boys and Girls who take on one of the most challenging sports and show them as thinkers who like most dangerous sports are not completely mad and it will come over to non
understanders that Motorcycle Racers are not completely mad and mentally unstable which most of the general public think as they no doubt do for all risk takers in many dangerous sports
Unfortunately the TT is a 2 week event that focuses on the good and bad for a very short period not like other dangerous sports ( Mountain Climbing etc over a year ) which no doubt has more fatalities but there are no spectators on the slopes of Everest
We live in a very sanitised world and the option to take risks for sport are now being severely reduced as the Irish Racing scene is finding
I have been privileged to have seen the greats over the years at the IOM including the Mike the Bike return but I just hope each year they all come back safe
It's only the public who concentrate on the danger and death - I've been riding bikes for years and I've been to the TT. I know a few racers and the Main thing they think about is Winning. of course crashing and dying is in there but every racer is there to win. Crashing doesn't enter into it. And as for talking to riders, their wives and friends about dying before a race? wanker.
Its like being in the audience watch two gladiators literally killing eatchother. Its the truth nobody wants to listen to.
The jacket he was wearing set my alarm bells off! Only interested in the unfortunate sad side of the sport. Probably gets a semi when his electric company provided car hits 55 mph….
Maybe Mrs Forrest should not have bought a house on the TT course.
This stinks of a Roger Cook expose/stitch up.
Back to Mrd Forrest. There's a boat in the morning!
Why wouldn’t she just go on holiday for 2 weeks during TT, the TT was part of IOM long before she was, appears she’s literally the only person the reporter could find to talk negatively about the event.
An interviewer looking with blinkers on. One angle to this and he did a crap job of even that.
That woman will be one of the anti TT brigade. Time she sought advice if she is so traumatised.
"a small tent" Was it David was it ?
Tell you what, why don't we just cover ourself in bubble-wrap, not leave the house & go on social media platforms & sprout inane dribble.
Don't like motorbikes or the thought of loud bike exhausts, don't buy a friggin house of the Isle of Man FFS!!!!....BTW, am an X-Squaddy who has had the odd frightening scenario but these guys are total Bertie Big Bollocks!!!, Hats off!!!
Pembrey is in Wales !
Typical new reporter angle, trying to find the negative aspect of something FIRST before the positive side of it 🙄
I've broken my arm, leg, neck, wrist and ribs. Friends of mine have died......you deal with it or you walk away and never ride again !!!
was awesome being their nothing like it
The only one who is traumatized here is the reporter.
In terms of death "Wondering if they are next" we are all next !!!!!!!!
We all have to go sometime, people need to accept death in all aspects of life, because none of us are getting out alive.
I hate this worrying about others and how their risks and their choices are affecting people like Marjorie with PTSD, maybe she needs to learn more acceptance of death and learn to let go of her own fears around this subject?
Instead of being scared of death, I rejoice in life, I celebrate each and every day and tell those who are closest to me how much I love and appreciate them.
I race cars, not bikes (Very safe compared to this) and to put another myth to bed, there is no Adrenaline like Marjorie states, sure some inexperienced riders might have it, some crowd members etc too, but adrenaline is not all that high when racing, you feel it afterwards when everything stops again.
When racing myself, I feel extreme peace and calm and I am living in each and every moment, no future, no past, always just now, this is why it is so addicting.
It is like a forced meditation of sorts and something I find hard to explain to others.
You get into a flow like dance, a trance and each and every input you put into the machine is calm, calculated and you begin to go very fast with precision.
IMO, this is where the "The closer to death you are, the more you feel alive" saying comes from, because when you are in this state, you are living in the moment (A bit like how spiritual practices get us here too).
I wish these types of videos where everyone is worrying about death and acting like it is outrageous and needs to be banned etc would just stop. Stop being scared of death, stop the self righteous, cotton wool wrapped, keep people safe narrative, you are safe, you are not racing, just be happy for those who have chosen what it right for them.
It is their journey and none of us should judge others for their decision.
There is a saying, "learn to die before you die" it is so liberating !!!!! Yes I have been close, but it was from medication from a hospital, not bikes or cars, it was the best thing that ever happened to me, I learnt how to appreciate so much from that point in time and no longer fear anything anymore, including death, I love life, even when not racing.
I want to be a tt racer one day and I will work hard for it, give me your blessings to achieve that...
Never thought TRT would be making a video about isle of Man
This guy is trying to make a name for himself. This guy had one thing in mind and that was to damage the sport as a whole. Why don't you go to the middle east and do some reporting?
He has the courage to speak out against the TT. Many people are scared to speak out against it.
What is this dollars and kmh rubbish?
This guy was going around trying to get and answer that he wanted and kept asking if after he didn’t get it.
It would be interesting to hear the reporters reaction to men serving their country in war zones, surely that is dangerous.
Ambush journalism.. they know the risks involved leave them to race if they want to
He arrived at the iomtt with a negative idea and wanted to condemn the race before he even got there
Nearly lost my head when I crashed at Ballacraine in 2011
Seriously, the reporter is a bust! Nobody is forced to race, riders love it, fans love it, the island loves it, go home and write about government or something else you can push an agenda on.
There is no mercy on the edge. Matters not if it's TT racers, fighter pilots, attack submarine skippers, or whatever. There will always be people hanging six toes over the abyss.
They should try using air fence systems ama and moto America use them they save lives
It’s ain’t gonna do much at 180 mph mate
The reporter is obviously not a rider , it’s a high most can’t comprehend, As a bike rider I get it . That place is on my bucket list!👍
Man is defying the boundaries, overiding the limits that is the frontier of mankind.
When great men too cowar like the commoners, that dream surely is never reached.
Buddha teaches that tranquility is not the sole purpose of life, that such a vulnerable flaw will leave one exposed to greater yet inevitable sufferings.
If anybody wants to be a politician or a word leader, as a prerequisite, you are given two options: race in the TT or box Mike Tyson.
We can not dishonor our fathers, grandfather's, the world wars as in vein, or our ancestors and the god's by allowing such unqualified persons take positions they've not earn.
That bloke should work for the bbc doom and gloom never had any experiences or excitement, the grim reaper in a suit. It’s this kind of nonsense and lack of knowledge and understanding, they will try to stop it.
Do we want the state to take ALL of our personal choices away? NO!
Pembrey is in Wales not England in it.
Someone said, if you end the TT the F1 boys won’t have anyone to look up to.
Reporter made me stop watch this at 3:46.. this is about living, having fun and meet like-minded people, creating memories 😊
I hate the way the interviewer has tried to portray the TT asif it's nothing but death fest. Particularly the way he spoke to the Crowes.
People like him will never get it
They're grown men, maybe a bit crazy,taking calculated risk.
If we look at things like this we would never do anything. Why climb a mountain? Where is the sense in that? I would have never have ridden a motorcycle and done all the wonderful things and met wonderful people. Life itself is full of risk. Loving someone carries the risk of losing them. A life without risk is not a life, it's an existence.
Remember watching and one guy got airborne and flew right into the corner wall doing over 100. Dead instantly! 2014