For context; LanceVideos is the guy who RTD allegedly blocked on Instagram. He was being interviewed on Sanctuary of Geeks' Livestream and I sent a request to be in the call as well.
Was the other British person lying about being a Tory or lying about being a Labour member under Blair? I suppose people change their minds, I've seen Liz Truss, anything is possible.
@@simonandrewx I hope you don't mind me replying to you. I know for instance by dad has been a member of both Labour and Conservative during his lifetime. He's also championed the Liberal Democrats at times as well. I think it's really important that we all have the ability and right to change our minds.
as a welsh person, whose parents and grandparents suffered due to the closing of the mines in the 80s, hearing the words “have you got a problem with margaret thatcher?” come out of someone’s mouth makes me violently angry
And you just know that he's going to try to frame the pause as a "Mr Tardis didn't have a clue how to respond to my magnificent wit", rather than the truth of, "I said something so incredibly stupid that Mr Tardis paused and then carried on as if I hadn't said anything."
And at 16:35 Well Lance they did that BECAUSE NO ONE TOLD THEM THEY HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE! Like that was one of the worst things Thatcher/Reagan's governments did was suppress information, meaning you couldn't be told by a doctor or get tested, so you'd have no way to know you had AIDs until it was too late. And then one second he destroyed his own point. What a grand intellectual.
Oh the silence. See this is like pure satire I'd imagine on an older TV show but ooh to see in real life and just imagine what everyone is thinking... 😂 Id love for someone to write around this one thing
You gave a very informed response to these guys Mr TARDIS in comparison to my more emotional outbursts at Lance's ideology, I think you handled yourself incredibly well man. Great Job! :)
Sanctuary guy was even thicker. To paraphrase; "My family made lots of money out of Thatcher". "I am a self made man who worked really hard to get what I have". So did he come from a well to do family, or did he drag himself from poverty? Can't be both, except in his own head.
"there's a need for billionaires because without them the world would be so much less exciting" is one of the wildest rebuttals to socialism ive ever seen
It's genuinely quite unhinged at how quickly he'll try throw massive topics at you in an attempt to interrupt and stun you. Congrats as ever for always being quick enough with the response and refusing to let these cartoonish morons go off-topic.
Your concluding words were absolutely priceless! About Lance desecrating his Bible and you hoping that his god forgives him, and then saying that your god Russel T Davis will embrace you with his massive open arms - it was a masterful and beautiful conclusion.
i can’t believe how genuinely insufferable that sanctuary fella is, the dead air after “i ThOuGhT aIdS wAs rEaL” was complete comedic gold but geez that guy is a sanctimonious prick
I had to quit at "If you don't want AIDS, don't expose yoursself to homosexual stuff" (quickly amended to "then don't have sex," which isn't much better. Ain't got time or nerves for that, sorry...
It's prime Nancy Reagan bullshit when she said just say no during the whole war on drugs in the 80s... Same energy as saying if your black and don't want to be racially abused don't show your face in public.... It's classic old school conservative hypocrisy about telling people to take responsibility, individual responsibility but doing none of that themselves to actually combat the problems themselves and instead just ask the people to restrict themselves to an unnatural extent.... It's classic cowardice which is basically engrained into conservatism, telling people who contribute to a problem in a negligible way and let off the hook mass perpetuators of problems i.e. global companies for climate, income inequality etc.... All so they can maintain this notion of 'individual responsibility' and essentially tell people to stay in their place and sort it themselves, so conservatives don't have to actually do their job and practice what they preach..... Because in reality conservatives think they're above these notions and responsibilities and they believe they're just objectively more worthy humans of life and prosperity etc, etc.... They just think they're little rules the commoners have to live by because they weren't born into mass wealth for example.... It's cowardice in it's most literal form and enough of the population vote for it and welcome it for various stupid, prejudicial and self-destructive reasons....
Sanctuary of Geeks was playing it up big time when Lance was on. The second it's just him, he shit himself and retracted everything before Mr Tardis could further destroy him
What is wrong with these people? It's so sad. No heart, empathy or thought for other HUMANS. Race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality - whatever - it doesn't matter, we are all human. I just cant with these people...
Sad thing is, okay, Sanctuary's just your boring run of the mill Tory (or at least, conservative voter), but Lance - it's like his entire political position, his philosophy, is a Twitter-reddit mush of buzzwords and a comically childish perspective on the world. It's like he's never left his bedroom. Even an utter hack like Sargon was never this one-note and so... nothing. Just a big bag of nothing pretending to be any sort of political viewpoint.
MrTARDIS: "Even though Channel 4 is not in receipt of any license fee money, you also wanna get rid of that as well?" SoG: "Yeah, why not?" MrTARDIS: "No. Why?" SoG: "... Left... wing?" Is this guy for real? It's so hard to believe he's not putting on an act.
"I didn't take any handouts" Man paid for all of his infrastructure, policing, schooling, healthcare, fire brigade, military and refused government pension contributions I guess?
Not pushing back on that is my biggest regret from this conversation. Was he born in an NHS hospital? Did he go to public school? Does he drive on public roads or get a business loan? People don't get to where they are on their own. They are helped and supported by a society.
Had to stop at there's no risk working in McDonald's compared to starting a company, living paycheck to paycheck in a situation where one unexpected cost could financially ruin you and having pretty much no job security so never really knowing whether you'll have a job and be able to eat or pay rent next month is a pretty fucking risky way to "live"
God this was hard to watch but you did so well Mr Tardis. I just can't with conservatives, their entire ideaology like you put it is simply "fuck you got mine", it is built entirely on seflishness, arrogance and narcissism. SoG's entire argument for every single point was just "well i'm rich and fine so everyone else should die", that's all he had. God how does anyone tolerates being around him, he just exudes snide narcissism and complete uncaring and aggressive hatred for anyone who is not him. You were calm and composed the entire way through and supplied facts whereas both SoG and Lance got emotional, angry and resorted to using childish buzzwords and insults like "libtard". I wouldn't have had the same patience that you did, but I thank you so much for being so composed and professional to people who absolutely did not deserve that courtesy
That was not a conservative not a real conservative I met real conservatives just turn on LBC real conservatives nice people outside their political views
Yeah it's amazing how many of those supposed Christians - ignore passages like you can't serve God and Manon (money), the love of money is the root of all evil and it's easier for a camel to go through the evil of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. These neo Christians so often resemble the Pharisees Jesus condemned than the followers he encouraged.
The most notable thing about this for me is that all of Sanc's "arguments" were attempts to intimidate, project power, or emotionally manipulate. "What's wrong with War crimes? Some of my friends do those."" (implying any criticism of the military is a direct insult to his friends) "What's wrong with Thatcher? My family got rich off her policies." (implying any criticism of tory policy is insulting his family.) and "Who's the most high profile person on your phone?" is an attempt to shut Mr Tardis up by throwing his media credentials into question. It really goes to show that trying to argue with tories on the basis of empathy or humanity is a complete waste of time. They only respect cruelty and authority.
My family actually became significantly poorer because of Thatcher's policies, she mishandled the economy and it led to mortgage rates skyrocketing, we lost our home and ended up in massive debt, I was 5 years old. The financial strain also put a strain on my parents relationship and they eventually separated 5 years later. So yeah, their entire argument rests on not caring about other people, but what if Conservative policies destroy their lives? Will they stick by their principles then? I doubt it, they will still be Conservative, but will complain about how its unfair they are now the one's suffering, and they will pivot and blame it on foreigners or the WEF or something else that is totally unrelated to their circumstances. Actually listening to Conservatives just validates my beliefs rather than challenges them. They prove the point, every time.
@@lloroshastar6347 I am so sorry that happened to your family. And you are right, when conservative policies ruin conservatives lives, they will turn around and blame minorities rather than self reflect.
My dad lost his mum, business, and house within the span of a week during the great recession in 09 (I know Brown's government was in power back then - but I'm talking more about circumstances here generally). We lodged then for a while - I was about 11 then. Then he also had to leave a house with his partner he was engaged to once she made false allegations so we once again lost a lot of things - she kept a lot of possessions we had before we met and moved in with her. We got a few things back from in a police surrender but things like my goldfish at the time she even kept lol. Even clothes and aftershave - she was that odd. So with all that, he also lost his job due to said allegations. Then we were couch surfing again - though often also sleeping in a car - I stayed with friends as tensions were getting high with my actual mum who I went to stay full time with - parents are divorced. I was 15-16 then. Eventually after a tough time, and initially moving into a house later deemed unfit for human habitation - which we could've told you given it was literally wet and black damp to the point where wallpaper was peeling, the shower would trip the power out, the cellar was filled with stagnant water - where the electrics were. (I was finishing high school and going into 6th form here- 2015). We were on food banks too. During this time, my dad and myself (also with our dog) were told we weren't eligible for any form of support in. heating, electric etc despite him previously working his entire life prior and he was job hunting. We had to actively write to Downing St before we could get any kind of support. Though my old man eventually got into a better house that we're still in now since 2018, and since 15 - he works as a product manager for air purifiers, so COVID actually highlighted their importance when we eventually came back to reopening. But my point in that massive novel is there are so many factors and reasons people can't afford to live or have a roof over their heads - and the government are ambivalent at best. I'm 24 now, and freelance in theatre alongside wrapping up my masters myself - but you can bet your ass I'm still stuck at home under the current cost of living crisis under this government too - who again, don't care, because it doesn't affect them at all. I would love to see a reality TV show where Tories have to live in some conditions that the likes of us 'little people' do. Imagine blaming people for their circumstances.
Omg right the minute he started saying something nice about the Torries I knew he was a knob the Torries are bunch of rich snobs who would gladly see the poor and disabled be shot
The lance one is clearly just young and impressionable and I dont think is a lost cause like with the right talk im sure he could eventually turn more left
Very well informed video MrTARDIS. Thankfully I have not heard much from LanceVideos and Sanctuary of Geeks and I’m glad to see someone as well informed as yourself challenge these people and bring a very informative video to a wide audience.
That sanctuary guy says covid doesn't exist ? I've got it now and it's horrible . It's why I'm watching youtube on a Friday morning because I can't leave the house. "Someone has to be at the bottom " 😡Russell was too soft on them.
These peoples' viewpoints completely go against most of the political and moral messages in Doctor Who. Sanctuary of Geeks with his "I'm doing well so no one else matters" attitude, and Lance with his picking and choosing attitude rather than looking at all the evidence given to him.
It’s really sad to be honest. There’s these fake ass conservatives in name only like SOG who have no sense of community, tradition or religion/Christianity that are rampant in the Tory party. Just know that many of us aren’t like this.
Holy shit I feel sick watching this and I’m only 8 mins in … I feel like I’ve just watched Will’s soul leave his body when that creep on the far left (ironic) said, “But I thought AIDS was real”. If you’re doing one of these again, Will, have a person with you arguing the same points since I applaud your effort standing up to them both, but you really need someone in your ballpark having your back in these horrid debates. Take care man. I’m sure you know that there are far more people just like you who find this rhetoric absolutely abhorrent, so don’t let it get you down (I’m sure it won’t, you’re a champ! But if it does then know you’ve got a whole community here supporting you).
7:32 this video just came up on my home page, I’ve got to this time stamp and am already feeling the rage burn within me, you are a better person than I, MrTardis.
Thank you for doing this, Mr Tardis. Sanctuary of Geeks really gets my goat with his vile bigotry. The videos he did on Nick Briggs and Big Finish about their "so-called woke ideology" was just pathetic and disgusting. There was a video he did when Stephen Noonan was cast as the new First Doctor where he said according to his "sources" that David Bradley was fired, which really doesn't ring true and just feels like an attempt to just have a go at BF once again. I am DONE with this grossness.
This going to do bits 👁 on views. I got 4 minutes and 51 seconds in. I tried. Regan ignored AIDS and HIV until he couldn't any more. Thatcher, well, if you can't talk about it then none of the bullying actually happened i guess. Mr Tardis I have no idea who you are until right now watching this. Bless you, patience of a Saint. I'll subscribe now probably
I’m guessing Sanctuary of Geeks has yet to figure out the very complicated idea that there are other people who don’t have the same life experiences as him. On second thought, there seems to be something wrong. I mean, he’d be getting along with Nerdrotic wrong. Though also, he says ‘I am quite a fan of yours.’ And I’m just thinking… how?
@@SavageBroadcast Who is he we all need to respect each other's opinion in a debate even though we don't agree lot of people sign off in the radio world by saying that is just my view or something like that just either saying that makes it seem like that you you recognise other opinions either though in your arguement you may have not recognised other people's opinion and in the political world going down the pub with your enemy is sometimes seen as a bad thing It isn't It means outside our personal opinions we're all equals never going out with the Tory is the opposite of that and very divisive this is a vague answer because I don't know who he is
Watching this video gave me the same feeling as watching a cringe comedy however the fact that the people in it are real was rather disconcerting. I was surprised by how SOG made no effort to try and disguise his more extreme views and how he just went in with all the stereotypical conservative talking points like 'I came from nothing but through hard work I made my way to the top' and the whole insane conversation that ended with 'those soldiers were serving their country'. I admired how you let them speak so that they could get their views across as oppose to relying on insults as that way they showed themselves up instead of them putting up a impenetrable wall of defensiveness.
Notice how they always put up strawmen and insults, instead of arguments for their position? They were really aggravating and childish nothing-burgers.
Ahh I thought I'm feeling really depressed with the world I'll watch this Mr TARDIS political video because I know his views are all safe and it might restore my faith in humanity... Needless to say I had no idea who the other guys were and I missed the word debate
These people deserves no fame, their idea is to push information onto people. I've seen Lance talk to Tharries and I'm really shocked they believe this stuff...
I don't think they do believe much of it. They are outrage merchants who have an audience who love it when they say the most loathsome things and tell themselves they've triggered the libs. While they come off as incredibly stupid, I think they are acting that way intentionally. I might be wrong, but that kind of gift seems very popular and they appear that way to me, particularly SoG. Its depressing how popular their kind of content is, actually helping society move in a negative direction.
Man my Mum would have a FIELD DAY with Sanctuary of Geeks. My mother’s voted Tory, Labour and Lib Dem and flip flopped between them all, all her life, and she values just straight up fairness in politics. I think if you put her in a room with SoG, it’d test her blood pressure! Just to get my own political viewpoint out the way, I lean towards the left but more than anything I just value decency, humanity, compassion, empathy and good structure in politics. Something like a sandwich of Labour/Lib Dem stuff. Don’t like the Tories at all, don’t like Labour all that much right now either. It’s individuals like him that keep me voting for Conservative, it’s absolutely true to call them a death cult, or at least an indirect death cult. That attitude of “It’s not bad for me, so I have no thoughts and feelings for any suffering beneath me, and I’ll continue to vote for the party that prevents radical change to hold onto my wealth.”
From the clips I've seen I know (at least right now) I don't have the mental fortitude to watch all of this and I would prefer my blood to remain unboiled. I commend your patience, honestly I have so much respect and love for you Mr TARDIS. I don't know how you can be so collected but I am so glad you are.
Just to update: I have watched it. Tory ideology is as confounding and painful as ever to hear but honestly you rebutted everything far more coherently than any point they made.
It's hard to make out, but around 6:08 when MrT quotes Boris Johnson's, "Let the bodies pile high in their thousands" (which is a paraphrase of Bob Page, the frickin' villain in Deus Ex, BTW), SoG literally says, "Yeah, what's the problem with that?" :|
when Sanctuary was talking about poor people should die if they can't afford stuff, one line that came to mind is a quote from "A Christmas Carol" "if they're gonna die then they better do it, decrease the surplus population"
11:25 Okay, Lance's train of thought makes zero sense. Like, why would 'excitement' matter in questions of economics and wealth disparity? You can be insanely pro-capitalist or horde wealth and be dull as dishwater or live a boring life. That's so not connected to any meaningful pro or anti-socialism discussion that I have no idea what point he thinks he's really making. Plus, socialist countries still do 'exciting' things. They have festivals and sports and entertainment, that didn't go away.
It’s like when you see a defence for the American Medical system being that you get a lot of “choice”. Maybe it’s because we have the NHS here (as of current) but why do you need choice in Healthcare?
"It's okay that we have homeless people in the richest cities in the world, sweatshops and people dying in the third world, because Elon Musk's antics are just so darn interesting!"
Genuinely disappointing that people think like this. Also, seems Lance is just bitter about RTD's comments because he can't handle being called out by someone he looks upto.
The part where mr. of Geeks is mad that dude thanked the hospital for the delivery of his babies, and you had to explain that medical care is important? for births?? and many people die without it launched my sides into orbit
Sanctuary of Geeks didn't seem very intelligent... maybe that's a bit strong. He seemed quite childish then from just over half way he became much more sensible and not so antagonistic. Christian's on the other hand do my head in and I was quite pleased that the other guy left. I love Channel 4 the BBC and our fantastic NHS.
I've seen comments here and on Twitter say 'I want Who content, why the politics?' - I get the frustration, but guys, like it or not, LGBT people are being put in danger by various forces and, in our own small way, I think those with a platform in this community have an obligation to say 'No. This is not okay, and you are not welcome in this space'. No one, not RTD or any fan gay or otherwise, should have to put with the nonsense Lance is trying to pull here.
I feel like my blood pressure just went up from watching this. Props to Mr Tardis for keeping cool and calm during this interview and saying 'ok cool' after their ridiculous statements and carrying on.
Come for the talk with Lance, stay for the discussion with the dude who is even more insufferable somehow. These positions they hold are so grotesque that one almost thinks they're doing a sketch. At least Vaush won the debate, I guess.
'Thatcher's policies greatly benefitted my family in the 80's because of their businesses and property investments' 'I worked bloody hard to get where I am today' lmao
13:00 for future reference the proper response to the "risk" argument is, 1: risk doesn't entitle you to wield Supreme executive power over the work place indefinitely, feudal monarchs and nobility took a much bigger risk raising armies and fighting wars to crown themselves king, but we still got rid of their power (though some of them still have a lot more than they should) 2: workers take the risk of occupying an often dangerous workplace where their surplus labour value is stolen as profit, their humanity is frequently not respected and any decision about that work place is largely out of their hands and is made in the interests of profit maximization rather than their well being, they have the risk that the company will collapse leaving them penniless, will weasel out of providing them benefits or a pension assuming it even offers such things to begin with, whilst the worst thing likely to happen to a capitalist is that they'll have to join the workforce, if the state of being a worker is so terrible a "risk" that it entitles the risk taker to exploit the labour of others then how can you justify the continuation of a system that subjects the majority of human kind to such a fate. 3: the vast majority of start up businesses collapse due to under capitalisation (not enough money), as such the vast majority of successful business men weren't risking anything because they already had enough money to spare to comfortably support a business from the start. 4: wow you really love the taste of billionaire bootleather don't you, Jeff Bezos isn't gonna fuck you bro gro up.
These guys don’t deserve the airtime, with their bigoted opinions. RTD has it right. Just block and ignore them. They crave attention, so don’t give it to them.
I’ve got about 9 minutes through this but I can’t watch these idiotic right wingers and conspiracy theorists any more. There’s no point in talking to these people.
I don’t want to just be straight up racist but I don’t understand why any of us should care about anything an American has to say about DW. It’s not made for them
@@iain9757 I’m a Brit but I find Doctor Who can be enjoyed by anyone. The Doctor, as a character, holds no pre-biases against anyone and is beloved by many communities because of it. It’s only when a person does an intentional wrong act where the Doctor will strike you off. But none of his biases towards a person comes from some uncontrollable trait or factor the person has I.E. place of birth, and with the Doctor being a role model character I feel that fans should try to live by that example and not gatekeep or have pre-biases that A shouldn’t have access to B because of C. I also think it’s cool that Americans enjoy and can watch a show that is made by another culture and creative team that can be (though not always) pretty socialist and compassionate and can carry that messaging through into the programme. We’re all fans here at the end of the day, we all love something about this daft, brilliant show, so if people across the pond love and enjoy it and take up its compassionate messaging just like we do, then all for more of it. I hope you don’t find anything malicious in my comment, I hope you have a good rest of your day!
Pretty sure the Ch4 leadership debate audience was made up of previous Tory voters, anyway?? Thanks for being so measured and patient with these guys Mr Tardis. This was as painless as it could have been.
@@obsesivefunatica Oh I mean it does make sense I suppose. Only tories can even vote. Although I don’t see why they wouldn’t put some other kinds of voters there.
After you've made a company and you sit back collecting divedens and do nothing then why do you deserve to be paid. Not sure why anyone can say yeah man, mcds workers deserve less than it takes to live becuase those rich people who bought shares took a risk and they deserve to get paid for the workers labor, they do nothing
Oh here less than 5 mins in and it's interesting to see how UK and US conservatives interact because I don't agree with either, but I absolutely see how they're trying to back eachother up despite completely different public opinion and reactions to those points in each country
I watched a few of his livestreams and the guy is just vile. The amount of lies and bigotry he was spreading around about Big Finish and flat out making loads of hate videos on Nick Briggs is just so unforgivable. I'm so glad that Mr Tardis finally did a livestream with this guy.
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For context; LanceVideos is the guy who RTD allegedly blocked on Instagram. He was being interviewed on Sanctuary of Geeks' Livestream and I sent a request to be in the call as well.
Was the other British person lying about being a Tory or lying about being a Labour member under Blair? I suppose people change their minds, I've seen Liz Truss, anything is possible.
Is this video real? They said the quiet part out loud!
Welcome to the debate bro sphere!
@@simonandrewx I hope you don't mind me replying to you. I know for instance by dad has been a member of both Labour and Conservative during his lifetime. He's also championed the Liberal Democrats at times as well. I think it's really important that we all have the ability and right to change our minds.
Bless you for taking on these grubby idiots.
as a welsh person, whose parents and grandparents suffered due to the closing of the mines in the 80s, hearing the words “have you got a problem with margaret thatcher?” come out of someone’s mouth makes me violently angry
The pause after “I thought aids was real” is GODLY
And you just know that he's going to try to frame the pause as a "Mr Tardis didn't have a clue how to respond to my magnificent wit", rather than the truth of, "I said something so incredibly stupid that Mr Tardis paused and then carried on as if I hadn't said anything."
And at 16:35 Well Lance they did that BECAUSE NO ONE TOLD THEM THEY HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE! Like that was one of the worst things Thatcher/Reagan's governments did was suppress information, meaning you couldn't be told by a doctor or get tested, so you'd have no way to know you had AIDs until it was too late.
And then one second he destroyed his own point. What a grand intellectual.
I want that moment bottled, so I can drink it
@@Outdatedmoviereviews 6:18
Oh the silence. See this is like pure satire I'd imagine on an older TV show but ooh to see in real life and just imagine what everyone is thinking... 😂 Id love for someone to write around this one thing
You gave a very informed response to these guys Mr TARDIS in comparison to my more emotional outbursts at Lance's ideology, I think you handled yourself incredibly well man. Great Job! :)
Honestly, it's because I was there for the previous calls that I knew exactly what type of reaction they wanted so I knew what not to play into.
same here 😁
Don't feel too bad, Lance seems like a really punchable twerp.
Sanctuary guy was even thicker. To paraphrase; "My family made lots of money out of Thatcher". "I am a self made man who worked really hard to get what I have". So did he come from a well to do family, or did he drag himself from poverty? Can't be both, except in his own head.
So this guy is pro-choice because it affected his kin, but won't show empathy for struggles that he isn't affected by? A legitimately vile person.
"there's a need for billionaires because without them the world would be so much less exciting" is one of the wildest rebuttals to socialism ive ever seen
It's like he really wants to be a protagonist in a real life Blade Runner or Shadowrun.
He’s talking about people just buying a bunch of cars like anyone who can’t afford a car is excited about that😂
I think he genuinely mistook socialism for communism and still massively simplified it.
@@clements1991 Most people who are anti-Socialism have absolutely no idea what it is.
And I'm just like, "So you want there to be an exploitative economic hierarchy just so that you personally won't feel bored?"
It's genuinely quite unhinged at how quickly he'll try throw massive topics at you in an attempt to interrupt and stun you. Congrats as ever for always being quick enough with the response and refusing to let these cartoonish morons go off-topic.
This guy is so right wing he sees a left handed person and cries. MrTARDIS, You absolute treasure of a man.
Your concluding words were absolutely priceless! About Lance desecrating his Bible and you hoping that his god forgives him, and then saying that your god Russel T Davis will embrace you with his massive open arms - it was a masterful and beautiful conclusion.
i can’t believe how genuinely insufferable that sanctuary fella is, the dead air after “i ThOuGhT aIdS wAs rEaL” was complete comedic gold but geez that guy is a sanctimonious prick
When he goes “hold on I thought AIDS was real” followed by long pause. Only for yourself to continue your point!!!…. Class
I had to quit at "If you don't want AIDS, don't expose yoursself to homosexual stuff" (quickly amended to "then don't have sex," which isn't much better. Ain't got time or nerves for that, sorry...
DW Mr TARDIS starts to destroy him when they talk about health care
When he said "don't expose yoursself to homosexual stuff" I was like honey you are the DL "straight" "masc for masc" guy on grindr, shut your mouth.
Oh it gets so much worse from there. Good thing you left before you had to resort to shouting at your screen.
It's prime Nancy Reagan bullshit when she said just say no during the whole war on drugs in the 80s... Same energy as saying if your black and don't want to be racially abused don't show your face in public.... It's classic old school conservative hypocrisy about telling people to take responsibility, individual responsibility but doing none of that themselves to actually combat the problems themselves and instead just ask the people to restrict themselves to an unnatural extent....
It's classic cowardice which is basically engrained into conservatism, telling people who contribute to a problem in a negligible way and let off the hook mass perpetuators of problems i.e. global companies for climate, income inequality etc.... All so they can maintain this notion of 'individual responsibility' and essentially tell people to stay in their place and sort it themselves, so conservatives don't have to actually do their job and practice what they preach.....
Because in reality conservatives think they're above these notions and responsibilities and they believe they're just objectively more worthy humans of life and prosperity etc, etc.... They just think they're little rules the commoners have to live by because they weren't born into mass wealth for example.... It's cowardice in it's most literal form and enough of the population vote for it and welcome it for various stupid, prejudicial and self-destructive reasons....
Sanctuary of Geeks was playing it up big time when Lance was on. The second it's just him, he shit himself and retracted everything before Mr Tardis could further destroy him
It says volumes that the only rebuttals a conservative can come up with is to just speak over you by asking the same unrelated questions
What is wrong with these people? It's so sad. No heart, empathy or thought for other HUMANS. Race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality - whatever - it doesn't matter, we are all human. I just cant with these people...
I can’t imagine having so much apathy for one’s fellow man.
Sad thing is, okay, Sanctuary's just your boring run of the mill Tory (or at least, conservative voter), but Lance - it's like his entire political position, his philosophy, is a Twitter-reddit mush of buzzwords and a comically childish perspective on the world. It's like he's never left his bedroom. Even an utter hack like Sargon was never this one-note and so... nothing. Just a big bag of nothing pretending to be any sort of political viewpoint.
MrTARDIS: "Even though Channel 4 is not in receipt of any license fee money, you also wanna get rid of that as well?"
SoG: "Yeah, why not?"
MrTARDIS: "No. Why?"
SoG: "... Left... wing?"
Is this guy for real? It's so hard to believe he's not putting on an act.
It’s like Nostalgia Critic when he suddenly decides he wants to do commentary
I think he kind of was.
@@goldenapplereviews9135 I mean, he said he was, but I think that was to save face.
"I didn't take any handouts"
Man paid for all of his infrastructure, policing, schooling, healthcare, fire brigade, military and refused government pension contributions I guess?
Not pushing back on that is my biggest regret from this conversation.
Was he born in an NHS hospital? Did he go to public school? Does he drive on public roads or get a business loan?
People don't get to where they are on their own. They are helped and supported by a society.
The WORST sect of the DW fandom going full Mask Off here. Thanks for exposing these 2 MrTardis
Had to stop at there's no risk working in McDonald's compared to starting a company, living paycheck to paycheck in a situation where one unexpected cost could financially ruin you and having pretty much no job security so never really knowing whether you'll have a job and be able to eat or pay rent next month is a pretty fucking risky way to "live"
God this was hard to watch but you did so well Mr Tardis. I just can't with conservatives, their entire ideaology like you put it is simply "fuck you got mine", it is built entirely on seflishness, arrogance and narcissism. SoG's entire argument for every single point was just "well i'm rich and fine so everyone else should die", that's all he had. God how does anyone tolerates being around him, he just exudes snide narcissism and complete uncaring and aggressive hatred for anyone who is not him. You were calm and composed the entire way through and supplied facts whereas both SoG and Lance got emotional, angry and resorted to using childish buzzwords and insults like "libtard". I wouldn't have had the same patience that you did, but I thank you so much for being so composed and professional to people who absolutely did not deserve that courtesy
That was not a conservative not a real conservative I met real conservatives just turn on LBC real conservatives nice people outside their political views
Lance dropping out of the call was such a blessing, every time he open his mouth he vomits a nothing burger.
The way Will ignores the shitposting and just gets to the point is incredibly refreshing and funny to me
"old and fat people are dying of COVID well guess what? I have asthma"
- Lance, basically.
The seven deadly sins:
Pride, Lust, Gluttony, Envy, Wrath, Sloth and GREED
Man doesn’t even know the book he follows
The world would be a much nicer place if some people actually… you know… read and followed the book they claimed to hold so dear
Yeah it's amazing how many of those supposed Christians - ignore passages like you can't serve God and Manon (money), the love of money is the root of all evil and it's easier for a camel to go through the evil of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. These neo Christians so often resemble the Pharisees Jesus condemned than the followers he encouraged.
God these guys make my skin crawl. Superb stuff MrTARDIS, please do more of this sort of stuff my friend
The most notable thing about this for me is that all of Sanc's "arguments" were attempts to intimidate, project power, or emotionally manipulate. "What's wrong with War crimes? Some of my friends do those."" (implying any criticism of the military is a direct insult to his friends) "What's wrong with Thatcher? My family got rich off her policies." (implying any criticism of tory policy is insulting his family.) and "Who's the most high profile person on your phone?" is an attempt to shut Mr Tardis up by throwing his media credentials into question. It really goes to show that trying to argue with tories on the basis of empathy or humanity is a complete waste of time. They only respect cruelty and authority.
My favourite was 'I drive lots of cars'. So impressive!
My family actually became significantly poorer because of Thatcher's policies, she mishandled the economy and it led to mortgage rates skyrocketing, we lost our home and ended up in massive debt, I was 5 years old. The financial strain also put a strain on my parents relationship and they eventually separated 5 years later. So yeah, their entire argument rests on not caring about other people, but what if Conservative policies destroy their lives? Will they stick by their principles then? I doubt it, they will still be Conservative, but will complain about how its unfair they are now the one's suffering, and they will pivot and blame it on foreigners or the WEF or something else that is totally unrelated to their circumstances. Actually listening to Conservatives just validates my beliefs rather than challenges them. They prove the point, every time.
@@lloroshastar6347 I am so sorry that happened to your family. And you are right, when conservative policies ruin conservatives lives, they will turn around and blame minorities rather than self reflect.
Sanctuary of Geeks is a gammon confirmed - hats off to you for not groaning and rolling your eyes with some of the stuff he came out with.
My dad lost his mum, business, and house within the span of a week during the great recession in 09 (I know Brown's government was in power back then - but I'm talking more about circumstances here generally). We lodged then for a while - I was about 11 then. Then he also had to leave a house with his partner he was engaged to once she made false allegations so we once again lost a lot of things - she kept a lot of possessions we had before we met and moved in with her. We got a few things back from in a police surrender but things like my goldfish at the time she even kept lol. Even clothes and aftershave - she was that odd. So with all that, he also lost his job due to said allegations. Then we were couch surfing again - though often also sleeping in a car - I stayed with friends as tensions were getting high with my actual mum who I went to stay full time with - parents are divorced. I was 15-16 then. Eventually after a tough time, and initially moving into a house later deemed unfit for human habitation - which we could've told you given it was literally wet and black damp to the point where wallpaper was peeling, the shower would trip the power out, the cellar was filled with stagnant water - where the electrics were. (I was finishing high school and going into 6th form here- 2015). We were on food banks too. During this time, my dad and myself (also with our dog) were told we weren't eligible for any form of support in. heating, electric etc despite him previously working his entire life prior and he was job hunting. We had to actively write to Downing St before we could get any kind of support. Though my old man eventually got into a better house that we're still in now since 2018, and since 15 - he works as a product manager for air purifiers, so COVID actually highlighted their importance when we eventually came back to reopening. But my point in that massive novel is there are so many factors and reasons people can't afford to live or have a roof over their heads - and the government are ambivalent at best. I'm 24 now, and freelance in theatre alongside wrapping up my masters myself - but you can bet your ass I'm still stuck at home under the current cost of living crisis under this government too - who again, don't care, because it doesn't affect them at all. I would love to see a reality TV show where Tories have to live in some conditions that the likes of us 'little people' do. Imagine blaming people for their circumstances.
Well done mate. You were cool, calm and collected throughout this debate and a real example of how to do it.
Obviously the lance guy is also very bad but my god the other bloke was insufferable.
Omg right the minute he started saying something nice about the Torries I knew he was a knob the Torries are bunch of rich snobs who would gladly see the poor and disabled be shot
The lance one is clearly just young and impressionable and I dont think is a lost cause like with the right talk im sure he could eventually turn more left
Very well informed video MrTARDIS. Thankfully I have not heard much from LanceVideos and Sanctuary of Geeks and I’m glad to see someone as well informed as yourself challenge these people and bring a very informative video to a wide audience.
That sanctuary guy says covid doesn't exist ? I've got it now and it's horrible . It's why I'm watching youtube on a Friday morning because I can't leave the house.
"Someone has to be at the bottom " 😡Russell was too soft on them.
These peoples' viewpoints completely go against most of the political and moral messages in Doctor Who. Sanctuary of Geeks with his "I'm doing well so no one else matters" attitude, and Lance with his picking and choosing attitude rather than looking at all the evidence given to him.
It’s really sad to be honest. There’s these fake ass conservatives in name only like SOG who have no sense of community, tradition or religion/Christianity that are rampant in the Tory party. Just know that many of us aren’t like this.
RTD was right!
Yes he was especially when you get twats like this
Holy shit I feel sick watching this and I’m only 8 mins in … I feel like I’ve just watched Will’s soul leave his body when that creep on the far left (ironic) said, “But I thought AIDS was real”. If you’re doing one of these again, Will, have a person with you arguing the same points since I applaud your effort standing up to them both, but you really need someone in your ballpark having your back in these horrid debates. Take care man. I’m sure you know that there are far more people just like you who find this rhetoric absolutely abhorrent, so don’t let it get you down (I’m sure it won’t, you’re a champ! But if it does then know you’ve got a whole community here supporting you).
I found that hard to watch. Congratulations, comrade, for actually debating with them. You are a better man than I.
7:32 this video just came up on my home page, I’ve got to this time stamp and am already feeling the rage burn within me, you are a better person than I, MrTardis.
6:18 - This is the moment you're here for, guys. Trilbee's face is like 'Oh, it's gonna be one of THOSE discussions then'
Thank you for doing this, Mr Tardis. Sanctuary of Geeks really gets my goat with his vile bigotry. The videos he did on Nick Briggs and Big Finish about their "so-called woke ideology" was just pathetic and disgusting. There was a video he did when Stephen Noonan was cast as the new First Doctor where he said according to his "sources" that David Bradley was fired, which really doesn't ring true and just feels like an attempt to just have a go at BF once again. I am DONE with this grossness.
This going to do bits 👁 on views.
I got 4 minutes and 51 seconds in. I tried. Regan ignored AIDS and HIV until he couldn't any more. Thatcher, well, if you can't talk about it then none of the bullying actually happened i guess.
Mr Tardis I have no idea who you are until right now watching this. Bless you, patience of a Saint.
I'll subscribe now probably
I’m guessing Sanctuary of Geeks has yet to figure out the very complicated idea that there are other people who don’t have the same life experiences as him.
On second thought, there seems to be something wrong. I mean, he’d be getting along with Nerdrotic wrong.
Though also, he says ‘I am quite a fan of yours.’ And I’m just thinking… how?
I mean, look at his pseudonym: Sanctuary of [this] Geek's, not Sanctuary of Geeks.
That works two ways you need to realise you don't have the same life as him you need to respect his opinion as well
@@ANGEL_BOB_YT And he should respect others, which he clearly doesn't.
@@SavageBroadcast Who is he we all need to respect each other's opinion in a debate even though we don't agree lot of people sign off in the radio world by saying that is just my view or something like that just either saying that makes it seem like that you you recognise other opinions either though in your arguement you may have not recognised other people's opinion and in the political world going down the pub with your enemy is sometimes seen as a bad thing It isn't It means outside our personal opinions we're all equals never going out with the Tory is the opposite of that and very divisive this is a vague answer because I don't know who he is
Watching this video gave me the same feeling as watching a cringe comedy however the fact that the people in it are real was rather disconcerting. I was surprised by how SOG made no effort to try and disguise his more extreme views and how he just went in with all the stereotypical conservative talking points like 'I came from nothing but through hard work I made my way to the top' and the whole insane conversation that ended with 'those soldiers were serving their country'. I admired how you let them speak so that they could get their views across as oppose to relying on insults as that way they showed themselves up instead of them putting up a impenetrable wall of defensiveness.
Notice how they always put up strawmen and insults, instead of arguments for their position? They were really aggravating and childish nothing-burgers.
Ahh I thought I'm feeling really depressed with the world I'll watch this Mr TARDIS political video because I know his views are all safe and it might restore my faith in humanity... Needless to say I had no idea who the other guys were and I missed the word debate
Wow I genuinely cannot believe what im hearing, they have zero empathy and dont try to get any
Why do all conservatives think socialism means communism?
Socialism and communism are different, it just happens that most communists are socialists at first.
These people deserves no fame, their idea is to push information onto people. I've seen Lance talk to Tharries and I'm really shocked they believe this stuff...
I don't think they do believe much of it. They are outrage merchants who have an audience who love it when they say the most loathsome things and tell themselves they've triggered the libs. While they come off as incredibly stupid, I think they are acting that way intentionally. I might be wrong, but that kind of gift seems very popular and they appear that way to me, particularly SoG. Its depressing how popular their kind of content is, actually helping society move in a negative direction.
I think you meant "Misinformation".
@@carlosalmonacid8958 yeah, their information is full of crap 😂
Unfortunately what Lance said to Tharries is a viewpoint shared by a hell of a lot of the US population.
Man my Mum would have a FIELD DAY with Sanctuary of Geeks. My mother’s voted Tory, Labour and Lib Dem and flip flopped between them all, all her life, and she values just straight up fairness in politics. I think if you put her in a room with SoG, it’d test her blood pressure!
Just to get my own political viewpoint out the way, I lean towards the left but more than anything I just value decency, humanity, compassion, empathy and good structure in politics. Something like a sandwich of Labour/Lib Dem stuff. Don’t like the Tories at all, don’t like Labour all that much right now either.
It’s individuals like him that keep me voting for Conservative, it’s absolutely true to call them a death cult, or at least an indirect death cult.
That attitude of “It’s not bad for me, so I have no thoughts and feelings for any suffering beneath me, and I’ll continue to vote for the party that prevents radical change to hold onto my wealth.”
From the clips I've seen I know (at least right now) I don't have the mental fortitude to watch all of this and I would prefer my blood to remain unboiled.
I commend your patience, honestly I have so much respect and love for you Mr TARDIS. I don't know how you can be so collected but I am so glad you are.
Just to update: I have watched it. Tory ideology is as confounding and painful as ever to hear but honestly you rebutted everything far more coherently than any point they made.
"I don't give a sh!t about beyond 1989"
Ugh, I hate him already.
The fact Lance looks, talks and has almost the same views as Ben Shapiro didn’t surprise me.
Conservatives always have a similar appearance
they came from the same mouldy egg
Can you really have a structured and intelligent debate with a man who refuses to get the vaccine
God they were unbearable, I'm definitely becoming more left wing
The way he froze after you said many people die during pregnancy was amazing. Man alive he's a silly man. Great debate man.
It's hard to make out, but around 6:08 when MrT quotes Boris Johnson's, "Let the bodies pile high in their thousands" (which is a paraphrase of Bob Page, the frickin' villain in Deus Ex, BTW), SoG literally says, "Yeah, what's the problem with that?" :|
Rip Bernard Cribbins 💔😢🌌🌠
when Sanctuary was talking about poor people should die if they can't afford stuff, one line that came to mind is a quote from "A Christmas Carol" "if they're gonna die then they better do it, decrease the surplus population"
11:25 Okay, Lance's train of thought makes zero sense. Like, why would 'excitement' matter in questions of economics and wealth disparity? You can be insanely pro-capitalist or horde wealth and be dull as dishwater or live a boring life. That's so not connected to any meaningful pro or anti-socialism discussion that I have no idea what point he thinks he's really making.
Plus, socialist countries still do 'exciting' things. They have festivals and sports and entertainment, that didn't go away.
For him excitement means having right to harass people who were not born as rich as him.
I get the feeling he hasn’t spent a second living in the real world. The kid also doesn’t know a thing about the aids crisis
It’s like when you see a defence for the American Medical system being that you get a lot of “choice”. Maybe it’s because we have the NHS here (as of current) but why do you need choice in Healthcare?
"It's okay that we have homeless people in the richest cities in the world, sweatshops and people dying in the third world, because Elon Musk's antics are just so darn interesting!"
I'm getting peirs morgan vibes from sanctuary of geeks
Have you heard the news about Bernard Cribbins?
RIP to a legend and great actor
Hes made posts about it on Twitter
Mr. Tardis, you are a saint attempting to debate these opinionated rather stupid people
Wasn't this basically what Alan B'Stard said in The New Statesman?
Yeah, as a joke, to make fun of Conservatives, and here is this Lance fella being the literal embodiment of that joke.
Genuinely disappointing that people think like this. Also, seems Lance is just bitter about RTD's comments because he can't handle being called out by someone he looks upto.
Let’s hope it’s the start of him seeing he’s on the wrong path
@@iain9757 nah he’ll just keep digging himself deeper. Ego is a hell of a drug.
The part where mr. of Geeks is mad that dude thanked the hospital for the delivery of his babies, and you had to explain that medical care is important? for births?? and many people die without it
launched my sides into orbit
Their arguments where so disingenuous. It was just strawman after strawman. I rolled my eyes at their response to you being a Socialist.
Sanctuary of Geeks didn't seem very intelligent... maybe that's a bit strong. He seemed quite childish then from just over half way he became much more sensible and not so antagonistic.
Christian's on the other hand do my head in and I was quite pleased that the other guy left. I love Channel 4 the BBC and our fantastic NHS.
Why do we do your head in?
@@generalj216 because your deluded ideas have cost many lives over the centuries.
@@cuedotfilms4427 you probably don’t know the first thing about the wars and crusades I assume you’re referring to.
@@cuedotfilms4427 also would you say anything like that to a Muslim or a Jew maybe?
@@generalj216 of course.
I was a BA Christian for almost 20 years. I know exactly what it's all about.
I've seen comments here and on Twitter say 'I want Who content, why the politics?' - I get the frustration, but guys, like it or not, LGBT people are being put in danger by various forces and, in our own small way, I think those with a platform in this community have an obligation to say 'No. This is not okay, and you are not welcome in this space'. No one, not RTD or any fan gay or otherwise, should have to put with the nonsense Lance is trying to pull here.
You tore them apart and it's very satisfying seeing them back pedal on their ridiculous narratives.
Lance and Sanctuary are just despicable people.
Some people are just thick thick thickety thick-face from thick-town, Thickania. And so’s their dad.
I feel like my blood pressure just went up from watching this. Props to Mr Tardis for keeping cool and calm during this interview and saying 'ok cool' after their ridiculous statements and carrying on.
Dude, Sanctuary of geeks channel got suspended! And his Twitter is off too!
Come for the talk with Lance, stay for the discussion with the dude who is even more insufferable somehow. These positions they hold are so grotesque that one almost thinks they're doing a sketch. At least Vaush won the debate, I guess.
06:14 to 06:27 is amazing!!! 👍👍 Mr. Tardis
Sanctuary of geeks is actually brain-dead
'Thatcher's policies greatly benefitted my family in the 80's because of their businesses and property investments'
'I worked bloody hard to get where I am today'
lmao
13:00 for future reference the proper response to the "risk" argument is, 1: risk doesn't entitle you to wield Supreme executive power over the work place indefinitely, feudal monarchs and nobility took a much bigger risk raising armies and fighting wars to crown themselves king, but we still got rid of their power (though some of them still have a lot more than they should) 2: workers take the risk of occupying an often dangerous workplace where their surplus labour value is stolen as profit, their humanity is frequently not respected and any decision about that work place is largely out of their hands and is made in the interests of profit maximization rather than their well being, they have the risk that the company will collapse leaving them penniless, will weasel out of providing them benefits or a pension assuming it even offers such things to begin with, whilst the worst thing likely to happen to a capitalist is that they'll have to join the workforce, if the state of being a worker is so terrible a "risk" that it entitles the risk taker to exploit the labour of others then how can you justify the continuation of a system that subjects the majority of human kind to such a fate. 3: the vast majority of start up businesses collapse due to under capitalisation (not enough money), as such the vast majority of successful business men weren't risking anything because they already had enough money to spare to comfortably support a business from the start. 4: wow you really love the taste of billionaire bootleather don't you, Jeff Bezos isn't gonna fuck you bro gro up.
These guys don’t deserve the airtime, with their bigoted opinions. RTD has it right. Just block and ignore them. They crave attention, so don’t give it to them.
Is sanctuary of geeks learning English from Andrew Tate.
Wow. kinda hoped that people like that didn't actually exist....just wow
So that's guy that Russell T Davies blocked off Instagram
MrTardis a absolutely destoryed them🤣
Complain about left wing bbc but they did absolutely everything in their power to get Boris into power lol
I’ve got about 9 minutes through this but I can’t watch these idiotic right wingers and conspiracy theorists any more. There’s no point in talking to these people.
Sorry can’t watch the whole thing you have far more patience than I have and you are 1 million times politer than I would’ve been.
I’m only a few minutes in and wow LanceVideos is exactly why I’m very against americans speaking on uk politics
I don’t want to just be straight up racist but I don’t understand why any of us should care about anything an American has to say about DW. It’s not made for them
@@iain9757 I’m a Brit but I find Doctor Who can be enjoyed by anyone. The Doctor, as a character, holds no pre-biases against anyone and is beloved by many communities because of it. It’s only when a person does an intentional wrong act where the Doctor will strike you off. But none of his biases towards a person comes from some uncontrollable trait or factor the person has I.E. place of birth, and with the Doctor being a role model character I feel that fans should try to live by that example and not gatekeep or have pre-biases that A shouldn’t have access to B because of C. I also think it’s cool that Americans enjoy and can watch a show that is made by another culture and creative team that can be (though not always) pretty socialist and compassionate and can carry that messaging through into the programme. We’re all fans here at the end of the day, we all love something about this daft, brilliant show, so if people across the pond love and enjoy it and take up its compassionate messaging just like we do, then all for more of it. I hope you don’t find anything malicious in my comment, I hope you have a good rest of your day!
I love your ability to completely dismiss anything ridiculous he says. I can't imagine the willpower needed for that lmao
Fuck they're exhausting
God what a sad man, glad to see you running circles around him
Pretty sure the Ch4 leadership debate audience was made up of previous Tory voters, anyway?? Thanks for being so measured and patient with these guys Mr Tardis. This was as painless as it could have been.
Do you have evidence for that claim?
@@George-bb9kr yeah, I watched program, and they open with that statement
@@obsesivefunatica Oh I mean it does make sense I suppose. Only tories can even vote. Although I don’t see why they wouldn’t put some other kinds of voters there.
After you've made a company and you sit back collecting divedens and do nothing then why do you deserve to be paid. Not sure why anyone can say yeah man, mcds workers deserve less than it takes to live becuase those rich people who bought shares took a risk and they deserve to get paid for the workers labor, they do nothing
Funny how you can tell a conservative from how they look
Oh here less than 5 mins in and it's interesting to see how UK and US conservatives interact because I don't agree with either, but I absolutely see how they're trying to back eachother up despite completely different public opinion and reactions to those points in each country
Urgh. Just... urgh.
I do think that this was a very constructive thing for you to do, though; thanks Mr TARDIS.
im playing 2019 guy over this because it fits with lance
These guys sound like they’ve never worked a day in their lives
Sanctuary of Geeks is the worst kind of person. as a nerd and geek he should turn in his nerd/geek card. he is giving it a bad name
I watched a few of his livestreams and the guy is just vile. The amount of lies and bigotry he was spreading around about Big Finish and flat out making loads of hate videos on Nick Briggs is just so unforgivable. I'm so glad that Mr Tardis finally did a livestream with this guy.
You have such patience, I would’ve lost my shit at so many of sanctuary and lances conservative talking points
“Im doing fine” you own a business not everyone has that dingus
Love it. Agreed with all your points. All I will say is I quite like Kier Starmer and really hope he wins the next general election.