The Supercharger Experience On EVgo! Setting Up My Tesla With Autocharge+
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2022
- Kyle is in Denver with his Tesla Model S where he sets up Autocharge+ to enable full plug and charge functionality between Tesla and EVgo. The communication time is so fast, we see over 500A with CCS, and everything goes exactly to plan. How often does that happen when we are talking about EV charging?
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I have never seen payment processing go that quickly! Let me know if you'd like me to dig deeper into this Autocharge+ project. Also, love that the days of the 500A CCS limitation are seemingly gone. Now we just need EVgo to install corridor charging all over the country! ⚡
I saw the same thing! Plug in, BAM! Charging! Pretty slick.
I've noticed even on EA that my Tesla is the fastest handshaking car I've seen. Really shows how much of the handshake time is on the car side.
Re: just charging authorization: Plug&Charge is basically just "car tells you where to go for payment authorization". There's a crypto key exchange to protect what is at the heart "Please bill $MANUFACTURER, on account id $CAR". So the charger network/operator still has[1] to go off to ford and ask ford if that payment is authorized, and then Ford has[2] to go and ask your credit card company...
EVgo pre-billed your credit card, so they already have some of your money... they can skip that step. EVgo is doing the billing, so they can skip that step. All they have to do is a DB lookup for "is that car registered?" and there are techniques for doing that reasonably accurately offline if needed.
[1] Ford _could_ give EVgo a list of vehicles that are active, and trust EVgo to bill them appropriately. But that would require trust and like people to care about the UX to that degree, and other unlikely things.
[2] Ford could have pre-charged your card like EA/EVgo/etc, and frankly I expect the relevant manufacturers to start doing that, as an extra small income source.
@@kilpatds Yeah my understanding with autocharge is that it's considered to be less secure because it's vulnerable to being spoofed, since it skips the whole payment encryption process as long as the information it's fed matches a registered vehicle. I don't know how serious of a problem that would actually be though. But that's why it was instant while the ISO standard takes a good bit of time to process.
This was my experience as well with a Mach-E. Thanks EVgo!
@@KeeperOfTheSevenKeys. I think it just recognizes the vehicle MAC address
This is what charging should be. 🎉
I've used Autocharge a couple of times now on my Bolt EUV. It generally works well, and the enrollment process for GM owners is even easier than what you demonstrated (don't have to manually initiate a charge the very first time).
My only complaint is the authentication process seems to take a bit longer than I might like, with about 45-60 seconds between plugging in and power actually being delivered. Still, this is a fantastic system and I now seek out EVgo over EA stations - particularly the EVgo Ultium ready ones.
If only EVgo would add some chargers here on the west slope of Colorado.
Love his enthusiasm
I just did this the other day. It works great!
Excellent! EVGo was one of the chargers/services close to home that we used on our Bolt EUV while we were waiting a couple days on our home charger drop to be installed, so I just opened the app and it already had the information there for adding AutoCharge. Added my VIN, it confirmed we were compatible and now good to go! Shows "Pending" until you do your first charge, so I'll stop off and do a short charge just to test and finish that confirmation. Thanks Kyle!
Autocharge is an old concept first started by Dutch Fastned in the Netherlands. They made ABB make that functionality in their chargers, so they could provide an easier customer experience. And that was 6-7 years ago now. And finally other charging network have started picking up on this idea too.
This is exciting to see the technology progress to make things easier and faster for the consumer!
Kyle excellent review also this is beneficial when charging during inclement weather conditions which is why I like Tesla super charging just plug in and get back in your car. This will definitely help when charging CCS during inclement weather as well
This is great, hopefully We can get these type of stations integrated into the Tesla route planner for compatible vehicles so the preconditioning works.
Just got a 2023 Bolt EV 2LT yesterday, and adding my charging networks to the Chevy app and setting up plug n charge was super easy. Way more straight forward than our Q4 and the Audi app (which is awful)
Isn't that only 60kw charging?
that is just super awesome. I hope more charge companies use this tech.
This is so much better than the EA station I went to last weekend. 4 stalls: 1 screen broken, 2 card payment system broken, didn't bother for the 4th. Sad.
They just are putting these delta units in . Ea has been out since 2018 . If you follow them on Twitter they show the ones they are replacing. Ea is the only one allowing cross country travel ouside Tesla you shouldn’t be so hard on them . I don’t see ev going on interstates. They had them in 2016 in ohio.
Mach E and F150 plug n charge. Locally, there are no EA stations but a local grocery chain is adding EVgo stations at multiple suburban locations. I charge at home 99% of the time, mostly because there were few - if any - other options. So I am thrilled that there will be DC fast charging conveniently located. Having them be autocharge is wonderful plus.
This is great news. I plan on trying this when I drive to the Indianapolis area over Christmas.
I have done it with my Model 3. Works flawlessly.
That is AWSOME, Kyle. Thanks so much.
If you know how many cells in series, you can get a good idea of the voltage limitation because the BMS will not allow any cell to get over about 4.2 Volts. The Model 3 has 96 in series so 96 X 4.2 = 403.2 Volts. You may see a bit more at the charger (if that is what is displayed) due to voltage drop at the high current levels. The Plaid Model S may have a higher voltage pack to facilitate the high motor RPM required for it's top speed.
lol at needing a CCS adaptor, pretty happy that Teslas here come with the CCS port installed from the factory instead of their proprietary adapter.
Great video Kyle! Love your enthusiasm!
Thank you for your reviews! These are very timely and I believe will go a long way toward normalizing EV’s among the general population of drivers!😊
I've got all of my EVs enrolled in autocharge -- Cooper SE, Bolt, and XC40 all works. Very impressive. Like others have said, I similarly start to prefer EVGo as well.
Few issues I had with enrollment. 1) it doesn't work with a different driver assigned to each vehicle in the account, 2) the phone and tech support don't seem too knowledgeable about this. The first guy I talked to claimed that the Cooper SE does not work with this system (even though I have already gotten it to work). I was the one who kept playing around with the app to figure out the "bug" in the software/system.
I managed to enroll my mini SE as well 🎉
Once again great video! Much appreciated
Hadn't heard about this went to the app and enroll EV6 wind. Thanks Kyle.
So the IONIQ5 platform is read to go?
@@terrymattingly6843 I would think so.
@@mrTrekirk65 I wondered it you had used it.
@@terrymattingly6843 not yet. If you have the app there is a tab for you to sign up and enter your VIN
That's phenomenal. The fact that Autocharge+ works with any vehicle with bidirectional CCS (which is the vast majority of even older models) is a huge win for EVgo.
I really hope EA and other vendors adopt this strategy. It should work with L2 stations, even if the current implementation doesn't support it. I'm guessing the L2 station hardware doesn't have ANY vehicle communication ability beyond the current limit signaling, hence it's not supported, but it COULD be supported!
All CCS connectors are bidirectional. They could not work without it. Autocharge just links the cars MAC address to your CC. The MAC address is a basic feature of the communication protocol. As long as the MAC address stays constant over the cars lifetime autocharge will work. Some car makers (most notably VAG) will however randomize the MAC address for privacy reasons. (This way a charge operator can't track you by MAC address)
This will certainly make road trips easier for me as well. I have the CCS1 adapter and had no issues with an EVgo location in the Chicago area last weekend.
Think it is time to buy the CCS adapter from my Model 3. Fingers crossed Electrify America can match EVgo's system. The electric car universe just keeps getting better and better!
This is impressive, need to finish setting up my account after watching this!
Even before Autocharge+, it was pretty fast to charge at my local 350 kW EVgo. I think Autocharge+ came out the week after my big trip from FL to NC where I solely used CCS on my Model 3.
I'm a fan of EVGO's approach to EV charging. Especially how they've worked with Tesla over the years.
Wow. This is awesome! I have a J1772-NACS adapter and an EVgo app. I'm going to sign myself up! This is huge.
As I mentioned on Twitter, I can only hope that EA is watching this and starts implementing this asap.
I use the EVGO in Centralia, WA with my A2Zev adapter and routinely max out my older rwd model 3 to 210kwh on there charger. Its turned into my default stop point for my business trips. I can't wait to see .40 software update due to a few videos showing massive gains in the charge curve on older cars (seen as high as 100-130 at 70%!!!), fsd beta life has me stuck until holiday update though.
Where have you seen these videos?? I have a 2016 model s and it’s curve is abysmal. Max 120kW until 35% soc then walks it’s way down fast. By 60% soc I’m usually at 65 kW or less. It hurts. I’d loooove this for my car. But I can’t find any videos??
How do you get 210kWh in a battery that is only 75kWh? You can't spill electricity over the edge of the battery...
I enrolled some weeks ago and it works great. I wish I had done the enrollment while I was at a charger instead of at home, the part where it tells you to charge for the first time is required to complete enrollment
Excellent!!!
Autocharge+ has a huge issue, it uses only the mac address to identify the user, the car doesn't use any key to sign a message to prove that the car is the right car, MAC address can be spoofed easly and thief could steal money and energy from another user, it is like if just need to enter your user id or email to pay and so basicaly you can put any user id or email that know to not pay with your account
We added 5 levels of fraud detection to mitigate the possibility of that.
All of that work and you get a free charge and probably a trip to jail.
EA need to get act together... seriously. the only issue I have with EVgo is that there aren't enough of them compare to EA and they are mostly capped at 150, I rarely see 350. Would also be nice if stations are easily marked from afar using color which one is 50 to 150 or 350.
It’s nice you can preramp (warm up) the battery by telling it you’re going to a nearby Tesla charger. Unfortunately a lot of chargers you’re going to don’t have a nearby by Tesla charger. It would be nice if the Tesla app had a feature where you could tell it I am going to Need charging in x miles. Thus getting the battery warmup started. Also , thank you for your podcasts as they are very informative. I watch a lot of your podcasts but one that’s stands😂 out was the PlugShare podcast. Before that I assumed I would need 5+ apps on my phone to charge my model Y. I put in PlugShare app and voila there were almost 40 different charging systems in one app. Can’t wait until my ccs adapter arrives. I have kids and grandkids that have various charging systems near where they live ( but no Tesla chargers) and now I can visit them without so much range anxiety.
Good videos, thanks.
. Thanks that was great
That is the way to go
Worked great when we got it working on our polestar 2 as well.
Great!! That's exactly how it's supposed to work. Now I just have to wait until Tesla comes up with a mod to get my 2021 Model Y to be CCS compatible.
That's big news for EVgo. How many Delta charge stations are there and what's the plan for EVgo to add more stations? Has EVgo paid for the stations and the installation? Does a business get a bit of revenue for providing space? What are the deep details on the ISO15-118 standard as to the communication protocol, etc? Thanks Kyle for covering the charging networks including Tesla and others. Cheers and have fun in Alaska!
GM has partnered with EVGo to install stations at all Pilot and Flying J stations to the tune of something like 2 Billion dollars. Also government money is in the mix. That’s the reason for all the nice EVGo stations.
There is one point that I would like to make that if a lot of Tesla’s start using a charge station that I only can use and Tesla doesn’t open up the Superchargers, that is not very fair for CCS cars. We have been suffering along for years and now Tesla drivers just come along and make the “wait time” that much worse? I think there is going to be some “unhappiness” at the stations.
So happy about this! Does Electrify America offer this for any of their cars?
During our tense IONIQ5 cold weather trip from Oak Ridge, Tenn., to Wichita, Kansas, we needed to use an EvGo station near Kansas City. First time on the app. It worked about three times faster than Electrify America and the info on the app was waaaayyyyyy better. So are you saying that we can enroll an I5 on this new plug-and-charge program? You mentioned ID4, but I was not clear on the details.
Can’t wait to get some of these awesome chargers at my local Flying J and I’m super stoked to see they can do 540 amps! Autocharge for the win!
Having EVgo at a large number of Pilot and Flying J locations will also be a huge help for planning road trips, too.
I’m using EVgo Autocharge+ on my Hyundai Kona EV. It works really well, but it doesn’t work with every single EVgo terminal.
Looking forward to seeing the e-Hoonigan videos!
EVgo are my favorite chargers these days
Gratz Kyle, maybe a in depth interview with EVgo management on their plans of the future? Exciting times ahead for charging times in the US.
They did that on inside ev’s podcast with several different companies
Inside EVs podcast episode 143 has the Ev go coo interview.
Thanks for the info guys but I will pass I'm not a big fan on Inside EV. I don't care for Dom. Thanks again.
@@robert5008 tbh I don’t either but it’s a great interview.
The Cadillac Lyriq has been doing this for a while. speed is great and Love the easy.
Now that we have the NACS and Tesla have opened up their connector, will we now get an adapter so my Rivian can start changing on the Tesla Supercharging network?
Another Racing Red Leaf!
Fastned in Europe has Autocharge for years now. Loved it with my old Ioniq. EnBW in Germany also has it since last year iirc.
Unfortunately this doesn't work with MEB cars like ID.4 and Audi Q4 e-tron because the MAC address is randomized on these ones.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to do this video. I wish I had more EvGo options in my area as this seems very nice.
Autocharge has been fantastic, along with the 3mo trial Tesla Plan which waives the typical $6.99 monthly fee. Here in my part of LA the EVgo at the local grocer is most convenient as we do not have apartment charging.
Can you explain if this is better than Tesla super chargers? I pay every time I charge at the Tesla stations but someone told me I pay monthly for EVGo is that correct and etc
@@user-ck1mi4eq8x definitely not. Often you'll still be paying more, and speed is never as good
That is awesome..shall have to try this on my Ioniq 5. evGo claims to support it.
Any idea if EA has anything similar? I use them mostly, due to the EA free charging deal
I like EVgo too. Probably the best chargers outside of the tesla network.
I just got a 2024 Lyriq AWD Lux 3.
I get 2 years free charging on EVGO.
The closest charger is 10 MILES AWAY though.
I have already done this.. I got the ccs adapter as well.. only to find out.. that "Lauren" had a tesla charger. Believe it or not.. it still works when using the tesla charger and the evgo app. I choose "start charging" from the app, and plug in the tesla adapter at the EVGO lauren charger, and wait.. there's a count down.. and in about 35 seconds.. it communicates and starts charging. It's not as seamless as Tesla's of course.. but it works well. I've started doing like you described.. choose to precondition to a nearby charger.. but I was wondering.. how long should pre-conditioning be active before cancelling? Great video!
I use plug n charge with my Mach E GT with EA and now ChargePoint as of right now.
My Mercedes EQS 450+ has plug and charge that works great with Electrify America. The car came with 2 years of free 30 minute charging sessions.
This is why Tesla is willing to open its network.
The plug and charge public station is good, and the demand of non Tesla vehicles using their stations should be low. Then, there are free advertisements for Tesla while non Tesla customer pay a premium for Tesla service. They will then ask why not just buy a Tesla.
Dude punches the charge port lmao...
I use the Autocharge+ on my ‘22 Niro EV, I signed up the day I got the email in September of 2022, and I wish Electrify America allowed Plug n Charge for my Niro.
I only use EVGo about once a month, same with Electrify America, unless I’m on a road trip.
Sadly all the EVGo units around here are only 50kW, so at $0.35/min it's insanely expensive. Wish they had lower prices for slower 50kW units than 350kW units.
At 540 amps, did your CCS adapter get warm? I’m located on the west coast of Florida and I wish we had some EVgo stations.
Nice that there’s fast charging for Teslas on a different charging network but I’d hardly call it a plug and walk away experience at this point. Of course the Tesla will tell you, through the app, if charging fails.
Can you both nozzles to charge two cars or one at a time?
I have a Bolt. The EV hose is Heavy, and drags...this results in a bad contact sometimes. At some stations, there's a parking staunchon that I use to raise the center of the hose above ground-this solves the problem. But...they need to invent a "hose crutch" or stand to solve this.
I know your adapter is locked to the car but what keeps the Evgo plug from being unplugged by someone? I’ve been at a charger where someone tried to do that (with my CCS to Tesla adapter but I had the locking ring). (By the way, they were desperate, I talked to them about it later).
I've set this up with mustang Mach e. It handshakes a lot faster than Electrify America.
Mercedes EQS has plug and charge at Electrify America. Works great with two years of free charging.
Nice video. Now if they could figure out how to clean your windshield while you are juicing up THEN I’d be impressed. My windows are always a mess on my EV….
Unfortunatly EVgo is crap in the midwest. No chargers in MN, SD, ND, NE or IA, only a couple in WI, and a few more in IL.
Just a Note, EnBW and Fastned in Europe also support Autocharge. And even better, you can use EnBW to pay for Fastned Autocharge if you want, they aren't restricted to a single provider.
I personally don't see a future for the Plug&Charge standard, way too slow and too complicated.
ISO 15 118 should be standard on ALL CHARGERS.
7:11 The EVgo high power chargers all take a fairly long time to activate. I spoke to EVgo about it, and it's a known issue. Without getting into too much detail, it appears to be due to the size of power modules those chargers use.
I did mine on a 100kw station and it was exactly the same as this 350 kw in the video
@@greengrass89 Yes, the 100 kW Delta DC City chargers are probably using the identical power modules as the 350 kW Delta charger, so the boot up time would be about the same. EVgo's 50 kW units, however, activate in about the same time as a Supercharger. Maybe a few seconds slower, but nothing like the higher power units.
So these activation times appear to be completely controlled by the size and integration of the DC charging modules. Tesla originally used their onboard AC chargers strung in series, which resulted in similar start up times to AC charging. ChargePoint's CPE 250 units use smaller 32 kW modules (78 A) that activate in about 10 to 15 seconds. These Delta units appear to use 50 kW modules (100 A), that take significantly longer to boot up.
Is this the same thing Fastned and EnBW does in Germany?
Yes.
does this work with non teslas like ID4 and ioniq 5?
Great video Kyle. Can you put a link to exact adapter you use please? I’m sure it’s obvious to to most others but I haven’t used non-superchargers before. Thanks so much for all the great info!
The adapter is just the Tesla official CCS1 adapter, which is available on Tesla’s website or in the Tesla app.
There are 3rd party adapters available too, Lectron comes to mind, but use them at your own risk.
@@ouch1011 Thanks Kevin
I don't think Autocharge requires the manufacturer to cooperate. They just need the manufacturer to not go out of their way and break it...
When creating the local network (be it the CCS connection or Ethernet or Wifi or any new thing based off of those systems), each network endpoint needs to have a MAC address. Traditionally those were hard coded on device creation, typically these days they're in ROM on the device but changable via software. Autocharge just uses that (constant) MAC as a "car id", and uses it to look up the payment info.
When cell phones using wifi became common, someone raised a privacy issue: if the device has a constant MAC (and it does), you can track that device moving from wifi network to wifi network by the MAC, or recognize it when it returns. So cell-phone manufacturers started changing the mac, and either creating a new mac for each wifi network, or changing it periodically.
So ... VW-group decided to apply that to the analogous situation on CCS: randomize the MAC on plugin. No one else bothered. Autocharge works for everyone else except VW Group. If a manufacturer decides to add the privacy protection that VW Group did, it will break autocharge.
EVgo's "Autocharge+" is adding the plus to make it more trademarkable, and is also likely doing some testing/log scrapping to verify that the MAC seems to be constant for each car.
Apparently no unique MAC address on Rivian as well
We also added several levels of fraud detection to protect our customers (to earn the "+")
Kyle when will Tesla add per-conditining to evgo stations :(
Really hope they are more reliable than EA
I thought those adapters were limited to 250 kw.
I really hope EVGo expands their operation in Oregon (and the rest of the country). California is littered with EVgo stations. Washington has a bunch, especially around Seattle. Oregon has like 2 or 3 stations for the entire state, and they’re all decrepit 50kw chargers and they’re only in Portland. There really, really needs to be another charging provider in Oregon that does more than 62kw to compete with EA, since EA has been so disappointing recently.
Also, just to clarify a statement you made, there is a current limitation to the Tesla connector, they may just not specify it. The connector will only support a certain maximum size of conductor, so that will limit the current. The fact that the connectors fry when charging a Tesla at max speed means it’s already at or near the limit.
So with the adapter situation going on and autocharge only needing a MAC address...how hard is it to spoof as another car? 😜
From what I've read, EVgo has considered this possibility. Per the website:
"EVgo has set up several processes to detect potential fraud. If the time, location, and State of Charge (SoC) are impossible or improbable, the session will be stopped, and customers will receive a notification of potential fraud, requiring their confirmation to allow Autocharge+ (i.e., if your account is used to start a charge in California and then to start a charge in Ohio ten minutes later, this will be flagged as potential fraud)."
PUPPY!!!
How about Honda prologue charging at Tesla superchargers?
Why did you use charger B and not A ?
My EQS is plug and charge on EA.
I enrolled in Tesla Plan.. and now, I can not enroll in Autocharge+. Keep getting failure messages. EVgo cannot figure out why. But when I pull up to a station and plug it in, the car starts charging after brief communications. Strange. Not sure if any of your viewers are experiencing the same issue. And here is the bizarre part, one rep told me, I don't need the Autocharge+ and others tell me, I need to be enrolled in it for car to charge. But car charges just fine when pluging in. Don't know what’s going on. Guess...keep calm and carry on the charging!
I notice my EVGo app loads ChargePoint stations. Will this work with ChargePoint DCFS as well, or do they just agree to show their locations in the app?
Unfortunately no (or least not yet). Autocharge+ requires charger support. You can roam to ChargePoint but have to use EVgo app or RFID to start your charge.
I believe fastned use this method too. It's good for cars that don't have payments in their own app
Fastned was the company that created Autocharge. They asked ABB to make it for them.
2022 Kyle: "I've got a really quick one for ya!"
SpongeBob announcer: "13 minutes later..."
Great video though; can't wait to try out autocharge plus!
Does this work on the old 50kw BTCPower units, or only on the new ones that are much higher power?
Yes it does
how much does it cost to charge 100%
why did you choose the further "B" stall "pump"? can only 1 be used at a time?
He doesn't know how to read or tap on his mobile phone, so he chose B and not A when selecting a charger.
If this is using MAC address for identification, it suggests security vulnerabilities where a user could masquerade as another car so as to have charging billed to another user.
Every time I plug my car in on Autocharge+ I get a notification that my car is charging, if someone somehow was able to masquerade as my car it would only work ONE time as I would know it wasn’t me & notify EVGo that there was a security breach.
So you did autocharge twice on the same charger. What happens if you move to a different charger?
The same thing. You plug in, and the car starts charging without you having to do anything. That is the beauty of it.