A Watch Enthusiast’s Perfect 5 Watch Collection | Watchfinder & Co.

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @watchfinder
    @watchfinder  Год назад

    We know you want more watches…. click here: linktr.ee/watchfinder

  • @mhmnn
    @mhmnn 2 года назад +193

    „Made in Russia, finished in Russia“ - clearly says Made in Germany on the dial and the back. 😂

    • @FernaManu
      @FernaManu 2 года назад +7

      They are made in Alzenau, near Frankfurt!

    • @lazmonroy8165
      @lazmonroy8165 2 года назад +6

      I noticed that immediately...!

    • @olo493
      @olo493 2 года назад +5

      and that’s a good thing :)

    • @yasasjaysundera1830
      @yasasjaysundera1830 2 года назад +4

      I noticed that too .. good job guys .. quite funny 😄 like the term “ token “🤣

  • @toddp5026
    @toddp5026 2 года назад +25

    Currently Alexander Shorokhoff is a Russian who has been making his watches in Germany since 2003. Nice choice, interesting watches. Good job guys as always.

  • @siongheeleong8078
    @siongheeleong8078 2 года назад +17

    My take on the showdown:
    Dive: Aquis > Doxa (Tom)
    Driving: Edifice < Sinn (Andrew)
    Aviation: TH Autavia < Longines Avigation (Andrew)
    Dress: Cartier > Nomos (Tom but this was close)
    Wild card: Grand Seiko > Alexander Shorokhoff (Tom wins by default since that Alexander Shorokhoff model is limited edition and sold out)
    Thus, Tom wins 3-2 against Andrew.

  • @KeepingWatchUK
    @KeepingWatchUK 2 года назад +14

    Fun vid. I’ll have a go :-)
    Dive = Tudor BB58 (3.5K)
    Driving? = Hamilton Intra-matic Chrono (2.25K)
    Pilot = Stowa Fleiger Classic 40 (1.25K)
    Dress = Grand Seiko SBGP013 (2.5K)
    Wild Card = Tissot PRX PM80 Green (0.5K)

    • @doperdr
      @doperdr 2 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @KeepingWatchUK
      @KeepingWatchUK 2 года назад +3

      @@doperdr Not sure what’s funny tbh but I guess there’s always one!

    • @doperdr
      @doperdr 2 года назад +2

      @@KeepingWatchUK please get all 5 of 'em and you will know whats funny 🤣

    • @KeepingWatchUK
      @KeepingWatchUK 2 года назад

      @@doperdr I didn’t think these picks were bad given the 5 for 10K brief tbh… that somewhat limits the quality assuming you only wear Patek? 😆

    • @diavalus
      @diavalus 2 года назад +2

      @@KeepingWatchUK he doesn’t wear anything. Someone wearing a PP doesn’t have the time to go on the comment section on RUclips and post childish emojis.
      L.E.: I like the Stowa you picked.

  • @ShadowSkotone
    @ShadowSkotone 2 года назад +16

    The last watch is really amazing. I would love to see more in this direction!

  • @romeo3780
    @romeo3780 2 года назад +48

    You guys make the best watch videos hands down! Keep it up. Can’t wait to watch the next one. Andrew took the cake this time but Tom came in very close with that Autavia.

  • @lazyreuvin
    @lazyreuvin 2 года назад +8

    I've been watching the channel religiously for the last three years, but I must admit I haven't really taken to these podcast type videos you've been releasing as of late.... Until now. The banter was funny, intelligent and you both made some solid and intriguing choices for your arguments. Thank you!

  • @MaurizioGioli
    @MaurizioGioli 2 года назад +4

    I have a Doxa 200 and one thing to add is that the case of this watch is manufactured by Huguenin Frères & Cie which also produces the case of the Omega Speedmaster, the Omega Seamaster 300 and the Eberhard Scafograf 300. This results in a very similar case design and wearability adding more to the already important history behind the Doxa brand and watches.

    • @DJ_SAMMY_P
      @DJ_SAMMY_P 2 года назад

      Thanks Maurizio, would you say it's worth getting one and what do you like about it?

  • @canadianwatchmonkey3992
    @canadianwatchmonkey3992 2 года назад +3

    Hahahaha all great choices! I have the Oris Aquis Gen 1 @ $800……. Junghans Meister Telemeter @ $1000 ……. Nomos Club Datum @ $1000 ….. Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical @ $350 …Seiko SKX @ $250 Granted that these were purchased used but as new. Total for 5 watches = $3400.00

  • @st1tch87
    @st1tch87 2 года назад +7

    I could listen to these all day, relaxing videos that cover a wide variety of different watch brands. Good stuff from start to finish, keep it up guys.

  • @MickBenjamins
    @MickBenjamins 2 года назад +10

    Just to make the prices even more complicated: GBP prices have tax included. But when you read USD prices, tax is NOT included, because they have a different tax percentage per state... So in the end, the GBP might actually be cheaper ;-)

    • @cos-9113
      @cos-9113 2 года назад

      Can’t think of a state that has 15% sales tax, but good quibble.

  • @JochenVogel
    @JochenVogel 2 года назад +11

    Of course I like Your Russian/German wildcard pick. Although I find seeing its movement a bit disappointing. The lush decoration can't hide that the 3105 calibre is a stripped down 3133. Meaning, it's a chronograph-movement without the chronograph parts. And that's where the Swiss heritage comes in. When Valjoux stopped producing their 7734 movement (which was based on the Venus 188 btw.), they sold their machinery to the Poljot-factory in Moscow, where the movement got a few more jewel-bearings and a higher beat-rate and was continued as the now famous 3133. Unfortunately that one has been discontinued in 2011. As has the 3105. Hence the limited editions, probably.

    • @everythingautomotiveeta5839
      @everythingautomotiveeta5839 2 года назад +5

      Very Interesting

    • @JochenVogel
      @JochenVogel 2 года назад +8

      I'd like to add that, despite having quite a few Russian watches in my collection, I refrain from buying watches from Russia since the beginning of Putin's assault on Ukraine. And I will continue to do so until there is peace in Ukraine, which includes Crimea and the Donbass.

    • @diavalus
      @diavalus 2 года назад +4

      It is worth going through all the (mostly garbage) comment section only to find the ones like this. Thanks for sharing!

  • @utubevids1100
    @utubevids1100 2 года назад +2

    Bare in mind UK pricing includes VAT, American pricing does not include taxes

  • @JasonX2
    @JasonX2 2 года назад +5

    Watchfinder talking Frasier, albeit briefly, is particularly exciting.

    • @borannkek
      @borannkek 2 года назад +2

      Very exciting, except for the Niles Slander

  • @alexc.3727
    @alexc.3727 2 года назад +4

    4:1 for Andrew (Tom got his point with the Cartier).
    If I had $10K to spend on five watches, I think it'd be something like:
    1. Diver - I concur with Andrew on this one, the Doxa Sub 200 is awesome. I'd go for the Sharkhunter on a bracelet ($990).
    2. Driver - I was thinking of Racer by Anton Suhanov, but it's a bit more expensive at $17K. So, my choice is Farer Elvington ($618 on rubber).
    3. Pilot - no hipster stuff here. Stowa Flieger Classic 36 ($1,260 for hand wound).
    4. Dress - tough one, I don't do dress watches and I don't have any (I haven't even got a suit). But if I had to choose, it'd be Le Régulateur Louis Erard x atelier oï (around $3,300).
    5. Wild card - this one is easier. I'd definitely buy one of my grails, the Raketa Avant-garde Limited Edition (around $1,460). Honorable mention - H. Moser & Cie. Venturer (the Vantablack one, it's an absolute grail of mine and made of 100% pure unobtainium for a little more than $25K).
    So, I've got a total of $7,628 for my collection and looks like there's some spare change on a couple (dozen) G-Shocks.
    What do you guys think? :)
    P.S.: about that decoration on the Alexander Shorokhoff watch - there's a decoration style that is called "Neva waves" (Raketa uses it to decorate movements). I think that was Shorokhoff's point with this one as well, a reference to Neva waves.

  • @omarmyjunk
    @omarmyjunk 2 года назад +1

    Tom chose the better lot. Came under budget and regardless of everything else chose a Grand Seiko - that's a winner for me!

  • @dittomadness3331
    @dittomadness3331 2 года назад +21

    Thought this was a Teddy Bulbasaur video for the first few seconds lmao

  • @michaeladams9744
    @michaeladams9744 2 года назад +2

    Diver - Oris Aquis Date $ 2150
    Driver- Hamilton Intramatic Chrono $2245
    Pilot - Laco $930
    Dress Watch- Junghans Max Bill Automatic $ 945
    Wildcard - Tissot PRX powematic 80 $695
    Enough said - Spend the remaining money on other watches or rib-eye steaks

  • @ericokompatzki7110
    @ericokompatzki7110 2 года назад

    I've had the EF-539D for over 8 years. It really is like built like a tank, heavy, large, but still somehow comfortable. I like it a lot.

  • @VMIyanks04
    @VMIyanks04 2 года назад +1

    Hadn’t watched it because of the holiday weekend in the US. But watching it now!

  • @WriterandPhotographer
    @WriterandPhotographer 2 года назад +8

    Tom, referring to the Cartier's 36mm case size......"it is a bit small." No sir, it is perfect. Cartier refers to this size case as "medium." I like the Nomos also, and believe the case size is perfect. What people are missing is that the 38-43mm case sizes, that seem magnified on a person's wrist, look more like a caricature of a proper watch. Thank you Cartier.

    • @Youtubeuser1aa
      @Youtubeuser1aa 2 года назад +2

      It’s a good woman’s size too.

    • @kaunas888
      @kaunas888 Год назад

      I do not think that simple dress watches should be 40 mm because they end up looking like clocks on the wrist.

  • @planetdee3587
    @planetdee3587 2 года назад +4

    I am now of the camp that if I was going to spend that much money, I would buy just one watch. I feel when you are near or at retirement, you just want simplicity and often will be OK with wearing one watch all day long

    • @chriscon8463
      @chriscon8463 2 года назад +1

      I’m the same way now. I’m actually trying to convince myself to slim my collection down to only three watches after purchasing a blue BB58! I’ve worn it every day since I got it last month.

  • @robw9986
    @robw9986 2 года назад +3

    4:00 This was news to me about Ferris Wheels being prone to breaking off their hubs and rolling into the sea with all the occupants. I had no idea I was living that dangerously.

    • @KamBoat11
      @KamBoat11 2 года назад

      My biggest fear is ferris wheels...never trusted those things

  • @PocketUau
    @PocketUau 2 года назад +2

    Just ordered a Tangente Duo on Cordovan this afternoon. I’ll get a call once it’s in, can’t wait 😛
    My first demi-luxury timepiece, I'm so excited I could start sweating

  • @jackbexhell
    @jackbexhell 2 года назад +2

    I have and do own everything from Rolex to JLC to crappy £20 quartz watches and I have to say for me the best bang per buck is my Tudor Pepsi. Built like a tank, amazingly accurate with 70 hours power reserve plus looks great 👍

  • @mitchmitchell9588
    @mitchmitchell9588 2 года назад +4

    The winner? Us! We get to hear Top Gun beach volleyball jokes (wink wink. nudge nudge. San no more, say no more.) and clever watch nerd jokes like “reinventing the balance wheel”. Cheers for the laughs!
    Oh yeah. Almost forgot. Mr. Hands takes this one. Sorry Tom.

  • @digitunicorn
    @digitunicorn 2 года назад +1

    “They’ve been up to stuff” 😂

  • @cos-9113
    @cos-9113 2 года назад +3

    Any watch with a blued carbon steel case would have to win this one! Never heard of them, which makes this video well worth the time as that is quite an interesting watch for that price, and looks like it could cost 10x the list price. Well played!

  • @Jordan-gu3uu
    @Jordan-gu3uu 2 года назад

    Tissot power 80 and PRX 80 for my daily beater Longines Hydroconquest and Zulu time for my going out. Tudor Panda for that special time and thats all I need.

  • @cjdeas1528
    @cjdeas1528 2 года назад +1

    These conversations are a blast! Thanks!

  • @jamesrobert4106
    @jamesrobert4106 2 года назад +1

    The Doxa dive watch with an orange dial was also worn by the fictional hero, Dirk Pitt in the novels of Clive Cussler, the famed author.

  • @shakedlissak696
    @shakedlissak696 2 года назад +2

    You made me spill my beer with that predetor hand shake...

  • @carlod803
    @carlod803 2 года назад +2

    That was a fun 28mins that seemed to just passed by, these were the winners for me:
    Doxa Sub 200
    Sinn 144 St Sa, for some reason this reminds me so much of the Seiko 6138-8030 John Player Special
    Tag Heuer Autavia
    Cartier Ronde Must de Cartier
    Grand Seiko SBGX261

  • @gynechiatrist
    @gynechiatrist 2 года назад

    One of the best of its type. Tom wins. Loved it.

  • @jamescgarrett6356
    @jamescgarrett6356 2 года назад +2

    Glad you got yourself a Grand Seiko in there!

  • @chrispy857
    @chrispy857 2 года назад +1

    Lol upvote for the category sound effects.

  • @IceDree
    @IceDree 2 года назад +1

    The way Tom says Controversial cracked me up!
    Anyway, I agree with Tom, 10,000 tokens doesn't get you that far in swiss watchmaking.

  • @Jack.Napier
    @Jack.Napier 2 года назад +5

    Andrew won this challenge in my opinion, but Tom is getting better and better with his choices for these challenges but I expected to see him choose small dials because of his 6inch wrist size not a 46mm Edifice 😂 and I have a question about the last watch shown, it says made in germany but you said completely russian! Was that a joke or did we miss the point?!

  • @oktdavid
    @oktdavid Год назад

    Jacques Cousteau, the village bicycle of dive watch ambassador... That is just comedy gold

  • @fernandoespinosa8055
    @fernandoespinosa8055 2 года назад +5

    I can´t believe Tom went Casio on imaginary money😂 You guys are the best. Greetings from MX

  • @cajanir
    @cajanir 2 года назад +1

    Tom wins easily for me. Since he picked 3 Quartz watches and I'm a Quartz Fan.

  • @teruphoto
    @teruphoto 2 года назад

    My wildcard would be the Casio GA2100SRS-7A (transparent case and strap and iridescent crystal). It's an absolutely fun watch and perfect for a playful look.

  • @udayandutt7044
    @udayandutt7044 Год назад

    Andrew chose well. Loved it, though, that Tom chose an Edifice as his go to Driving Watch!

  • @johnr1350
    @johnr1350 2 года назад

    Love the interaction between the two of you.

  • @Casualcollector2024
    @Casualcollector2024 2 года назад

    TOM! Wins my vote! And you know why? Because of his wild card - Grand Seiko. I had this one on the wrist lately and it's a stunner!

  • @carazable
    @carazable 2 года назад +4

    If ORIS & EDIFICE did a collaboration, would it be called ORIFICE ??

    • @sacredclown4179
      @sacredclown4179 6 месяцев назад

      Would that not put a hole in the watxh market?

    • @pavvu78
      @pavvu78 6 месяцев назад

      @@sacredclown4179 😆 also a hole in your pocket

  • @carlmullender2941
    @carlmullender2941 Год назад +1

    You guys crack me up - so funny and so much info - brilliant

  • @michaelh.1627
    @michaelh.1627 2 года назад +2

    “No one likes Niles.” LOL 😂

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks 2 года назад +2

    Nice video. Keep up the good work.

  • @gtracer6629
    @gtracer6629 2 года назад

    So happy to see that you acknowledge the American market and quote some prices in dollars.

  • @blacktoothstavros2606
    @blacktoothstavros2606 2 года назад +1

    The Autavia is a very beautiful watch, but I'm not sold on the '5' and the '9' and the closed circle of each. The Longines Spirit range gives very similar vibes, but nicer numerals.

  • @kfwimmer
    @kfwimmer 2 года назад +1

    Tom won! Please review Moritz Grossmann. You guys are the best!

  • @normang663
    @normang663 2 года назад +1

    it's true, i love looking at my dials, but don't really pay attention if it's quartz, mechanical, or automatic. At the very core of it, it is the brand that I want to be associated with! here's my 4-watch collection:
    sinn 556i 38.5mm
    tudor pelagos 42mm titanium
    IWC portofino chronograph 39mm
    omega AT 38mm
    witth the recent news, thinking of flipping my omega tho. And currently head over heels with sinn!

  • @ssdc2
    @ssdc2 2 года назад +1

    Tom, just for the GS.

  • @BobMarley-pm1xb
    @BobMarley-pm1xb 8 месяцев назад

    Tom nailed this one Andrew. Better luck next time!

  • @rongurney738
    @rongurney738 2 года назад +1

    I really enjoyed the performance by the two of you also enjoy the slacks and watches I would say it’s a tie

  • @craig2100
    @craig2100 2 года назад +1

    Nice job with your selections

  • @josephburton3232
    @josephburton3232 2 года назад +1

    I'm so confused about that Alexander Shorokhoff watch. You say it's made and assembled in Russia but the watch says made in Germany and it uses a Swiss made movement? So is it Russian, Swiss, or German?

  • @mineblock9024
    @mineblock9024 2 года назад +1

    I'm giving it to Tom, but I do really like that Shorokhoff

  • @oliverkirk3343
    @oliverkirk3343 2 года назад +1

    This video is so good! Well done lads 😂

  • @charlesflint9048
    @charlesflint9048 2 года назад +12

    It would have been good to see both collections all on one page, or each on a separate page.

  • @jazdecbezhlavy
    @jazdecbezhlavy 2 года назад +1

    NOMOS Tangente would be perfect with a beveled 6 and a bigger sub-second

  • @Imaveryniceguy
    @Imaveryniceguy 2 года назад +2

    To date there isn't one (1) single watch Sinn makes that I like. I had the Longines Big Eye black dial which was just ok. Very noisy movement, you could actually feel it spinning at times and too thick for me. I still have the 2018 Oris Aquis 43.5 mm with Sellita movement. It's perfect in every way and very sturdy.

    • @danielfrancis3660
      @danielfrancis3660 2 года назад +2

      I've recently bought 3 Sinn watches and I like them. The reason being is when I think of Sinn I think of German engineering ie it does exactly what it says on the tin. As a retired stress engineer it's a marriage made in engineering heaven, and they look good.

    • @dukes70
      @dukes70 Год назад +1

      Currently have Big Eye. Mine isn’t noisy at all, love it! Have 3 Sinns too. They are wonderful pieces. Built for purpose and look great!!

  • @jazzman5598
    @jazzman5598 Год назад

    Great show Fellas! Thanks

  • @habfan123424
    @habfan123424 2 года назад

    Tom had the better choice with the dress watch, but the other 4 I prefer Andrew's

  • @m.charron
    @m.charron 2 года назад

    It's a tie for me.
    diver = tie
    racing = Andrew
    dress = Tom
    Aviation = Tom
    wild card = Andrew

  • @karlsenula9495
    @karlsenula9495 2 года назад

    For me in this price range there has to be a Sinn in there (104 or U50)... probably also a modern styled Nomos or Junghans, and a Laco type B Flieger - or frankly go cheaper with a Seiko Flightmaster. For the Doxa my choice would be the 300T.

  • @Gersberms
    @Gersberms Год назад

    It's got to be the Sinn and the Grand Seiko for me. Realistically though I'd love to own a Grand Seiko most of all.

  • @arsalaanqizilbash
    @arsalaanqizilbash 2 года назад +13

    Id say Tom won this with the Autavia, Grand Seiko and Cartier

  • @2000bhoy
    @2000bhoy Год назад

    Does the Oris have a minimum ride height?

  • @24934637
    @24934637 Год назад

    IF I was going to choose a 'Pilot /Aviator watch', I'd have to make a decision between an original World War 2 vintage A Lange & Sohne B Uhr Observers watch, or one of the modern Laco replicas. For closest realism the Laco 'Erbstück' watches are modern day replicas, artificially aged to look exactly like genuine vintage watches.....At almost the same price as a real one, but without the genuine history.

  • @paulvr3158
    @paulvr3158 2 года назад +1

    Great entertainment, as always!

  • @specimenx2571
    @specimenx2571 2 года назад +5

    This episode was hilarious! *Dollars are quite close these days*

  • @johnny6171
    @johnny6171 2 года назад +2

    Fun and informative show! I'll take one of each of those watches for my collection! :-)

  • @mrgee007
    @mrgee007 2 года назад +1

    Stop with the dollars, this is a uk show, default is Poynds 🤣

  • @bonnystarks
    @bonnystarks 2 года назад

    I have the longines and it's really cool !! Avigation is the science of navigation :)

  • @kevinchia88
    @kevinchia88 2 года назад

    Hi Andrew,
    Maybe you can do a Real watch vs Smart Watch episode?
    Sometimes I`m quite torn between the both, some smartwatch/fitness trackers need to be worn on our arms 24/7 and that leave little time for `real` watches.
    Who should I bring out for my jog/work/commute?
    I`ve seen some people wearing both, but I just find it inappropriate.

    • @Youtubeuser1aa
      @Youtubeuser1aa 2 года назад

      Nah let’s just stick with real watches. Tech companies will tell you Fitbit via Apple

  • @Jeguia85
    @Jeguia85 2 года назад +1

    I could just take the Grand Seiko and be done 👍🏽

  • @janihellberg6911
    @janihellberg6911 2 года назад

    Andrew won hands down, that last pick was amazing, but 43mm whyyyyy...

  • @morgan97475
    @morgan97475 2 года назад

    Enjoyable video, great selections, especially the Neva.

  • @benh715
    @benh715 2 года назад

    I was with you up to grand seiko. I just can’t get excited by them.

  • @watchchat
    @watchchat 2 года назад

    Tutima makes some cool timepieces

  • @johnwarburton9536
    @johnwarburton9536 2 года назад +1

    Nomos lugs appear to me to be out of proportion by being far too long.

  • @SirLoinOfsteak85
    @SirLoinOfsteak85 2 года назад +1

    What would one of these competition videos be if Tom didn't cheat? 😅

  • @showbiz3848
    @showbiz3848 2 года назад

    Great great show.... Love the ever mutating formats..... 👍👍

  • @442484184
    @442484184 2 года назад

    "You've got a better 'whole'". "Thanks...I guess..." LOL

  • @BrandochGarage
    @BrandochGarage Год назад

    I hit up the Nomos Website. Some very elegant pieces!

  • @Dadnatron
    @Dadnatron 2 года назад

    Enjoyed your humor

  • @timothymorphy6007
    @timothymorphy6007 Год назад

    Andrew brought it home with the final watch.

  • @markstarmer3677
    @markstarmer3677 2 года назад +1

    Are you ever going back to your hands and the watch format ?
    That in my opinion was far better. You actually concentrated on the watch in a very informative and entertaining way, and made every second count.
    This latest format, although mildly entertaining, does have too much needless waffle between you both.
    Your partner doesn’t really have a sound knowledge of watches like you do, and I find that I’m trying to push him on a bit as the video is playing.
    I hope this comes across as constructive criticism, and not me being too obnoxious.
    Loved the previous format btw.

  • @francisdelacruz6439
    @francisdelacruz6439 Год назад

    Just get GShock Casio and another watch to max ur budget and be open to pre owned as resale value of nice watches like LUC Chopard and even Grand Seiko is just sad but great for those looking into preowned.

  • @edn.3442
    @edn.3442 2 года назад

    An easy win for Andrew!

  • @mikkeljensen1288
    @mikkeljensen1288 2 года назад

    Just one question. You say that the Alexander Shorokhoff is made in Russia but it has made in Germany written all over it (quit literally on the dial and on the back). Is it Russian, German or both?

    • @ikirikchi
      @ikirikchi 2 года назад +1

      It's made by Russian Watchmaker in Germany where he lives for quite a long time.

    • @mikkeljensen1288
      @mikkeljensen1288 2 года назад +1

      @@ikirikchi Thank you for explaining 😊

  • @abymathew295
    @abymathew295 2 года назад

    Rocking an AQUIS Date 43..What a watch..🥳🥳🥳🥳
    But it's really sad to see they ditched the iconic Red Rotor...🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

    • @mikesb69-87
      @mikesb69-87 Год назад +1

      They're still using the red rotor with the Sellita movements.

    • @abymathew295
      @abymathew295 Год назад

      @@mikesb69-87 . Not on their in house Models

  • @TheCyclingCardio
    @TheCyclingCardio 2 года назад

    The Sinn U50 should be in this collection

  • @robertcrawford3597
    @robertcrawford3597 Год назад

    Definately Andrew until his last choice, Russian but made in Germany. which is it?

  • @husseinalqenae194
    @husseinalqenae194 2 года назад

    Would love to see a video about raketa watches

  • @billybenson3834
    @billybenson3834 2 года назад +1

    It was a bit long perhaps?

  • @silentkayaking8037
    @silentkayaking8037 2 года назад

    In German it's always a G like in Garden, never like in General. Hi from Vienna