TROUBLE AHEAD for Amazon Lord of Rings MMO
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2024
- Amazon is developing an MMO. It has potential, but AGS shoots themselves in the foot too often for me to have much hope.
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New World is a great example of what would happen if an MMORPG was developed by a team that didn't know how MMORPGs are made.
It had great potential ngl
I still enjoy playing it every now and then, it's better than 80% of mmos out there.
Exactly!
For the love of God don't give AGS another chance.
Yeah that'll be something I bring up in another video. They'll offer some incentives to pre-order and I'll try to dissuade people from pre-ordering.
dude... this was such a great video! Learned alot and it felt like 5 mins. Editing is 10/10, script is 10/10 and humor plugs are 11/10. Keep it up man and keep this level of passion cause one of these days, Asmon will be reacting to your videos very soon!
^^ This...very soon I think ;)
Thanks dude!
i m pleased that ashes is run by long term gamers .they KNOW what we want
Yes!
too bad it's not coming out till 2030
Another game that when it launches it will be already old
Slight correction on Lumberyard section. It isn't a proprietary engine. Amazon purchased the source code for Cryengine and made some modifications, but it basically behaved like Cryengine 3. Then Amazon eventually open sourced Lumberyard and its now called OE3D. Lumberyards/OE3D issues are the same as Cryengines. Hard to get a hold of, little documentation, niche experience, etc.
However, for an mmo this doesn't really matter too much as most popular MMOs use in house engines / non standard engines (Unity, Unreal). WoW uses blizzard internal Engine, Final Fantasy 14 uses Squares internal Engine, Elder Scrolls Online and Starwars the Old Republic use the Hero Engine.
Since MMOs are big and complex its best to use a focused engine that has been designed with MMOs in mind. Unity and Unreal are generic multi-purpose engines that can be used for MMOs but also...have a ton of bloat and unnecessary features.
Yeah, good point! I almost went into Cry, but the video was already pretty long.
4.5k hour NW player here. This was painful to watch. I really hope that AGS is able to turn things around with New World and nails it with LOTR but I am not going to hold my breath.
Yeah man, it hurt to realize AGS' expectations for content. They think New World has enough. Blows my mind.
:Dddddddd 4.5k
What do you mean? It was a great success. They got millions from box sales without any of those pesky server and development costs later down the line.
Seriously, the model of box prices for this kind of game actually means that after the first month or so, they can only lose money by retaining players.
Shameless plug for AoC's subscription only model that incentivises supporting an active player base.
Yeah exactly! I’d happily pay a sub fee for a game I love.
Makes sense
except that aoc has payed cosmetics, which completely ruins acquiring visually epic gear. go back to the 2004-2011 sub model of wow, that's how it's supposed to be done.
Watching your video 1 month later and I noticed the SG1 t-shirt on one of the developers. There is also rumors of a SG MMO so there might be another MMO in the skunkworks. Amazon also owns the MGM brand which includes SG1.
I'd be interested in an SG MMO... But only if Ashes doesn't take off the way I want it to for some reason.
Great vid! Poor Amazon...oh wait...poor workers there.....being led by idiots....sigh...more millions wasted unless like you said a HUGE turnaround is done. btw, I am HUGE LOTR fan...I've read it every year since 84..my fav book(s) of all time! I do HOPE you have heard the audio version by Paul...that RUclips keeps banning..it is the BEST audio version out there...took him three years to do it. I HIGHLY suggest find it and give it a listen...if you can't find it let me know and I will get you the link to get started. It's phenomenal.
Thanks man. I’ve only listened to the audio books performed by Rob Inglis and Andy Serkis.
@@TheCopiumClinic oh my....
@@TheCopiumClinic ruclips.net/video/sqEg6SxaSxc/видео.htmlsi=V_OjeRgf_aHh5lnm
@AshesofRelation don't want to rush ya but it probably won't be up long...then you have to hunt and search for it....its the best. The council of elrond is just awe inspiring...he knocked it out of the park.
As someone who played the original NW Alpha (the full loot open PvP one) and all through the second Alpha, Beta, and Launch and sporadically to the expansion, I would have to say that your seem to have hit most of the facts. I would perhaps suggest that one reason the game at launch seemed so unfinished because it was only the product of two years or so of development after the abrupt pivot in design. Also, my take is that the huge sales of the game at launch were due to the massive scope of the unfulfilled demand for a quality AAA MMORPG in the Western style. A potential market exists to support a new game that is actually fun and engaging on all levels, but NW almost immediately proved that it wasn't that game.
Good point, huge design changes would be rough for development.
Just play LOTRO 🙂 It's huge and has so much lore!
Still the best Lord of the Rings game out there.
100% agree
Man you do some work on these videos. One of the most underrated channel out there, but boy are you well positioned for when this game pops off to the wider public
Thanks Jacob! I figure now's a good time to get better at making videos for when launch actually happens.
Great video! I can tell a lot of work went into this 👍👍
Thanks Zybak!
It's unfortunate that this will probably be the fate, because LOTR is loved by many, and it could be amazing. I'll still give it a try, though.
Yeah hopefully it doesn’t suck, buuuut I have my doubts.
17:08 check it, is that Dodgers company on defense circa 2022!?
John! Haha your memory is impressive! I believe it is one of those wars. I talk about you all the time on my channel. ruclips.net/video/Sshi5XSTQD8/видео.htmlsi=_POFYN8HbUFj_wzH
Great video! First video I've seen about NW that actually acknowledges 50v50 war as the only piece of endgame content with any value. No other creator even acknowledges it. It's sad. Cross-Server company vs company wars not tied to territory would be huge for the game, IMO and a new OPR map with a raid v raid feature.
Sadly we keep getting the same copy paste dungeons over and over. Idk what the plan for NW is honestly. Seems like nobody at AGS does either.
Thanks dude! A lot of creators haven't done the wars which blows my mind too. That's the only reason to play NW imo.
Sooooo many things like what you listed would help NW, but AGS thinks the game is in a good spot. They have a serious lack of vision.
My next video might be about the wars.
@@TheCopiumClinic FACTS! Wars are 100% the highlight of New World. I feel like that's what the entire gear chase it for. I've been talking about a cross-server company vs company war mode not tied to territory in their discord and on reddit for over a year at this point. I feel like it's such a no brainer. An easy expansion to the war mode. I've seen some creators throw around the idea of a war queue, but I feel like that won't do the mode justice at all. War is at it's best when both sides are highly organized (roster comps, strats, callers, micro comms, etc). Winning a war with your company is one of the best feelings ever.
This way every guild will get the chance to experience it without having to deal with alts or the limited amount of territories available. We can have a wager feature to bet a fixed amount of company gold. A 20v20 or 30v30 feature on top of that for smaller companies to experience organized war pvp as well. Cross-Server and Cross-Platform, since it seems like a console port is coming soon as well. There's so much potential here for something really cool. NW Wars have some unreal competitive potential. It's sad AGS still haven't realized this yet. This mode might just save New World and actually retain players for once.
Please make a war video! We really don't have enough people talking about this mode and it's potential. Maybe you'll be able to convince AGS to actually do something with it bc at the moment it feels like it's been left to rot.
@@thelonebro8191 yeah that’d be awesome. Definitely would have saved NW. AGS doesn’t listen though.
I’ve made a couple war videos. War Strategy and Scoreboards. I’m working on another one now.
Great video ! I was impressed with the amount of knowledge you had on all the different aspects of the games/company keep up the good work
The right touch of flavor needed in a video,Tasty
Good video bro , over all well thought out and with good arguments , thank you very much for the info.
Positive vibes bro
Thanks amigo! I appreciate it
Hey the link didnt post... you have an email I can send it to?
Hit me up in the Ashes discord!
Love your video production! And love that you are also touching other MMO's Keep up the good work!
Thanks dude! I'm gonna stick to Ashes mainly, but I'll probably do some content on this game as AGS announces stuff.
4:47 buy to play means box sales are the main thing they care about. Losing players is a good thing from a purely fiscal perspective.
So glad Ashes is doing monthly sub.
Yeah good point
if they wanted this game to be good, all they needed to do was:
1. hire people with mmo experience
2. sit them down and make them play Archeage for a few months before making anything
3. copy everything good and absolutely none of the p2w mechanics
4. use a real fucking game engine
that's it. I'd still be playing if they'd done that. when I initially heard of the premise of this game, I dreamed about it being like Archeage because the idea of being explorers and conquerors of a New World would fit perfectly into those systems. housing, trade and a player based economy, risk vs reward, piracy! the characters are stranded sailors!
they could have hired me as a useless "idea guy" and I'd have turned out something better than what we got, which was garbage
Seriously dude!
Btw you mentioned that star citizen is using crappy lumberjack....I think you should look into the innovations/Improvements they made to that engine. It seems groundbreaking to me
True, they have made a lot of adjustments with the Star Engine
Its a scam dude dont be stupid
@@neugassh3570 what do you mean scam?
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@@neugassh3570 exactly, you made a claim not me
Watching this two months later... Embracer group splitting into 3 companies is awkward. I wonder which division they sre going to throw their dept into.... One of those 3 companies will be DOA.
Will it be tabletop? (Carcasone and Ticket to Ride?)
Will it be gaming? (Satisfactory)
Will it be their ip division? (Middle Earth)
The day of launch of New World was terrible . But being there for it and with my friends , dude i was never so hyped in my life . best experience of my life . the wars where ass also with the bugs , glitches and stuff . But dude the whole experience from the good things , graphics , playstyle . crafting views , Bro it was amazing . I hope they actually make LOTR but i hope they do follow the real meaning and dynamics of LOTR cause its one game they cannot mess up . I miss old school LOTR games . i want a 1080p/4k LOTR open world MMO where i can run around with friends , Imagine doing the war for Middle earth with all your Company members , Where you have to defend Minas Tirith . Dude that shit would be AMAZING! There is soooo much potential for LOTR if they actually do it right .
Quality pacing, very enjoyable to watch!
The pacing was tough with this length so I wasn’t sure how I did with it. Thanks dude!
Excellent analysis as always. Unfortunately it just confirms what I expected when the LotR MMO was announce; AGS is going to drop the ball so hard it'll be a surprise to if it doesn't come out the other side of the planet
Thanks dude! Yeah it's looking that way.
I certainly wasn't thrilled when they announced they will make the MMO (the first one before they cancelled that, you know with the chinese overlords at Tencent? :)) and I was simply not much into MMO's (though the LOTRO is very good from what I heard and saw bits of) but damn I always dreamed of a good properopen world single player RPG set in Middle-earth (also something that would be LORE accurate :)...not like some other titles....looking at you Shadow of Mordor/War), I always felt there is ENORMOUS potential for lotr video games especially high quality ones, with impressive graphics....hell if they ever made a lotr game like that...even if it was clone of Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Gothic, though at absolute best modelling after....Witcher 3 would be phenomenal best course of action...CD Projekt had true passion for the witcher source material and that approach is badly needed for Lord of the Rings!!! Or hell....make a sandbox in style of.....Red Dead Redemption 2 :) I mean a lotr game like that.....wow...that would be AWESOME, the RDR2 hunting and camping mechanics would work amazingly well for the setting, immersive, in depth, lore friendly using all that Tolkien's world can give us...giving it justice.....exploring the lands of Middle-earth (or heck the seas as well...if they absolutely have to make more Lotr Assassin's Creed clones at least use the later AC titles....imagine something like AC Black Flag mixed with Odyssey, Origins and Valhalla that would have vast open world...with naval combat and sailing, imagine those sea battles with ships of Corsairs of Umbar...well that they could do :) hehe exploring both the lands and the Great Sea Belegaer in such a game where you could sail freely...yeah it would be great...sailing in various ships be it elvish ones or numenorean ones...and the songs sea shanties Middle-earth style hehehe....well since Return to Moria can have mining songs....;)).....
But this MMO well from the beginning it was doomed....first Amazon has not a great success rate for games, second, they made absolutely horrible garbage with their fanfic tv show that butchered the Tolkien material and was just plain.....BAD , horrible writing with all the modern checkboxes and now the second attempt at making an mmo *sigh*......oh well.....Lotr for some reason never had much luck in video games.....which is insane with how much potentialk there is and how many possibiltiies for good story and gameplay is there in the Tolkien lore itself! Oh well.....Return to Moria is just survival crafting game but it's not as bad as some other takes....and now the only lotr game on horizon is that weird.....Tales of the Shire? So as some say,....a type of Animal Crossing style lotr game....ehhhh well not exactly thrilling for the future in the gaming for Tolkien world.....heck....if Harry Potter could get an open world game with Hogwarts Legacy....even freakin Avatar with Frontiers of Pandora....and soon Star Wars will get Outlaws (though considering Ubisofr it making it :))
If we all support LOTRO that already exists we can stand up to amazon before they continue to ruin Lord of the rings. Lets get them steam charts up and show amazon that a remaster of 2007 LOTRO is what the fans want not a woke amazon rings of power crap
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It's just too bad Ashes of Creation forces pvp or I would be on board. Not all of us want to be griefed for not grinding 24/7 or pulling our wallets out to get ahead.
ring of power was proof of how a company even with the highest budget can ruin an easy succes. Seriously if they would have been faith to the lore, keeping the same image build by Peter Jackson, and adding a good epic soundtrack, they would have made billions in revenues. But they went woke and got broke.
Fixing broken content IS new content, everybody knows this Burns.
I couldn’t have said it better Magic!
It was clear Amazon didn't know how to manage an MMO not only from the bugs, but also from the post launch. When you have people who find a way to generate infinite money, using important exploits, you should do a rollback, because it screws up the economy for a very very long time, especially for new players. They didn't do it.
Opening a new server after the fix, solves the problem for new players, but it shows how much they (don't) care about their player base. Bugs can happen (especially if you rush the release), but they are clearly incompetent even in the post launch. As you said, many of them don't know the difference between an RPG and an MMO.
The current LOTRO (Lord of the Rings Online) will be tough to beat. It’s old and graphics aren’t modern but it is great. It is pretty faithful to the lore. Amazon will mess this up.
I knew New World would be trash at launch and that Amazon would screw it up, and I was right. Lots of people jumped in and I refused (#stillcantswim)
I was looking forward to Pax Dei but there is not much question about it's monetization strategy, it will be P2W (Still doesn't look half as good as AoC A2)
Amazon, Blizzard and many other development studios have lost touch with reality and are only interested in the cash grab of initial sales and micro transactions.
Put up a good name "Lord of the Rings" and people will buy it, it will be bugged AF, suck like a dyson and be 1.5% of what it could have been.
AoC will be the next BG3, MMO players who have given up on P2W BS will rise up and come out of the woodwork, players from all walks will try it, enough will stay.
Intrepid will raise the bar for what is expected, and yet still Amazon and Blizzard and others will continue to drive off the cliff in the only lane they know.
Yeah for sure!
This is an eye opener & needs to be watched by every gamer & LOTR fan. A fantastic upload.
Thanks man! I appreciate it
4:10 they hit a strike alright... Just in a drfferent sport. And then they hit two more with their attempts to fix it.
I can almost guarantee that even if this game ever launches, they'll be playing catch-up with LOTRO for years. That game is huge and is made by people who respect Tolkien's writing. Unlike Amazon with their Rings of Power that was written like a bad fan-fiction.
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Getting the game dev process for an mmo right is huge, this is absolutely true. But with LOTRs there is another massive elephant in the room that recent LOTR projects have been missing... staying true to the spirit of the author and source material while adapting it.
I have no faith that “creative” teams permeated with far left ideologues, or teams beholden to the far left DEI cult rituals their parent companies bow down to, will produce something that remains true to the beloved books.
When companies care about nonsense like DEI, they're putting the ideology over their products and then of course their product suffers.
Are you telling me they're trying to build Star Citizen on Lumberyard? Any idea how I can get a refund...?
Haha well they've adapted it and now call it the Star Engine. I haven't followed that process very closely, but they've done some decent things with it.
@@TheCopiumClinic That gives me more hope for it, still seems an odd engine to start with nonetheless! At least Star Citizen is still in alpha and is taking the time it needs to cook.
The Lumberyard they started with is so many iterations removed from what they use now it can barely be called the same.
It would be like me buying a Camaro, replacing everything but the frame and someone calling it a stock Camaro.
I thought the amazon LOTRs game was canned
Edit: Did some research, this is the 2nd time they're attempting to do this MMO idea/project
12:25 still runs better than lotro
extreme disownership, LOL
Gotta encorporate Jocko wherever I can
Good luck going against nearly 20 years of contents and experiences with lotro... I hope their expected fall will create some exposure for this gem.
Thanks man! Yeah Lotro will be a tough benchmark for them.
This is great! Very well set up and can't believe a billion dollar company is doing things like this......such a shame of the rights for LOTR :(
Thanks! Yeah it’s pretty disappointing. Hopefully they make some changes, but it doesn’t look like they will.
"good for he/him" made me almost spit out my coffee 😂
why can't they just invest into the lotro mmo we already have now - it is the best ever made - timeless classic. Unfortunately the servers went down over this weekend holiday. They admitted the new content has newer coding over older coding making it like spaghetti now. I wish they would just invest now before something goes so wrong we will never get it back, These past 24 hours + have been insufferable without lotro mmo. It truly has become a part of my real time life. I kid you not it is like it has become like losing a best friend to a tragic death without lotro mmo. I have tried so many other games and nothing is the same nor replaces it.
Everything they touch turns woke
In order to fix the current lotro there would have to be a whole slew of things that need to be reworked/recoded, old unused mechanics/systems need to actually be removed- I am so over finding things in game that literally have no use. Replace the entire servers ect ect. It's honestly probably a lot cheaper to just remake the whole thing. It's actually costing standing stone more to keep it running on old tech as parts needed are getting more an more expensive as time passes.
Oooh. Look
At you branching out! LOTR content. Very cool
My channel might end up being 3% LotR content, but even then, I'm gonna talk about Ashes in those videos.
the only mmo I played is LotRO... And NO mmo should not be here for the endgame only. The adventure is the best thing and I don't care for those Endgame contents were you have to spend half a day to obtain a new ingame currency to have a slightly better helmet
I can't wait to see a LOTR MMO from the company that simultaneously failed to make a successful MMO and to make a LOTR adaptation.
Lol
I came here to see what was happening with the Lotr mmo, got 25 mins of lore about new world's bad development lul.
Nothing new yet on the specifics of the game. I'll make a video when we get more info.
Knowing how poor ags is ill never touch one of their games again
It's too bad they act like they've already produced a bunch of hits.
Haha ‘oh no, they think it was good’
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Couldn't agree more
I seriously do not trust Amazon to make a proper Lord of the rings game at all.If they do continue to go forward with making a Lord of the rings game I don't expect it to be ready for at least 4-6 years at the earliest
That’s the time it would take to make a decent MMO. The problem is, the exact same studio is still working on New World at the same time. My guess is they rush the LotR MMO and we get it in 4 years.
@@TheCopiumClinic I recently went back to play new world there's actually a lot about that game I like but it just doesn't keep me interested And according to steam charts they only have about 5to6 thousand people playing which is probably what lotro has
Ughhh, those mass reports, I remember them. However, reporting bots never actually helped
Seriously! I’m sure you remember well
Yikes
I remember beta testing new world over a 3 day weekend, and running out of stuff to do. I almost did not buy the game, but I was so desperate for a new game i went ahead and bought it...
Haha yeah running out of things to do in 3 days is a good indicator of NW.
If its anything like that awful series they made then let it die.
Rings of power was baaaaaad. I could only get to episode 3.
@@TheCopiumClinic I made it 1 1/2
Plus they still want to use the New World game engine. It’s really a bad game engine and they should really just use unreal engine 5. It’s a poor engine and lumber yard should not be used as MMO’s period
100%!
If you have any hope for this game...just don't. AGS is full of incompetent devs working for suits that have negative knowledge on videogames. Do yourself a favor and don't expect anything from any game made by AGS.
Yeah AGS hasn't made a single good game yet and they've existed for more than a decade.
Idk man feels like you're focusing on the failure of new world and saying that because it lost 90% of playerbade they did NOTHING right. Simply not true. There were lots of cool things that new world did right - they just launched it without any endgame content so nobody stuck around after the initial push to max level and ear content.
They launched with no endgame. It still has no endgame. If AGS were going to make a good game, they would have done it by now.
@AshesofRelation I'm not saying new world is good or fixed today, just that they did some right things. Remember how epic the first wars felt? Or how amazing and cool you felt with the mayor title after gaining control of Everfall? Thr sound of the first rock you mined? Definitely had SOME goof things. Here's to hoping they learned not to launch with 0 to little late game content. Gotta keep that hamster bottle drippin
@@denverwest2102 totally agree dude. They did some things right. The problem is, they haven't learned from their mistakes. That's really the thesis of the video. I hope they somehow pull the game off, but nothing they've done yet shows that they know how to.
Ah yes, AGS. That studio is hopeless, they literally need a messiah to save AGS at this point.
TLotR is already DOA, no chance of it being good. Same with New World, but with a different title.
New World has so much potential, but got an incompetent developer, what a shame.
The game has literally no replayability. And QoL called "content", what a joke.
The only good thing about this game is the combat and PvP. But because this is AGS, the combat is underwhelming and the PvP is literally abandoned.
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Ok, now the only hope for a good or even the best MMO is AoC. I hope AoC will be the best and set a new gold standard for MMOs. soon™.
Right now, get your stratagems ready and head to Malevelon Creek! Liberate the world for Super Earth!
The first company couldn't even get the first lord of the rings mmo right. All they did was make pay to win shit and of course ignorant blind fan girls and boys go no its not! Waaaa! This is why we cant have good mmos.
I'll continue playing city of heroes free.
The only MMO that got mass player vs player right is Guild Wars 2 with it's World vs World mode.
Lol
Ashes of creation is going to fail
Can I have your prediction for next weeks lottery numbers.