My best analogy for this for people who play fighting games is this: Splatoon 2 is the balance equivalent of Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Little Mac might be the objectively worst character in the game, but that doesn't stop Peanut from styling on people with him. Goo Tuber might be one of the worst weapons in Splatoon 2, but that doesn't stop the Goo Tuber main on the enemy team from sniping me 3 times in a single match because I couldn't fecking find where they were shooting from. Every weapon regardless of kit is able to do _something_ and perform well when played to its strengths.
@@PetikG can confirm them, the worst character in the game which is actually ganon (little mac is down there too) has won top lvl sets against top 5 characters both online and LAN
@@StoryTeller796 dr mario is also bottom 5, ganon is very easily the worst in the game with niche ass normals and 0 matchups better than +1 as for the second thing idk lol
Rather than saying “bad weapons”, I’ve been saying “outclassed kits”. Every main weapon is viable, but the sub & special is the make or break for the weapons. Being outclassed can be due to a multitude of reasons: lack of synergy in the kit, nerfs, and how the meta is changing. Can you use V Gloogas to win? Yes. Is it harder to win compared to using Deco or Kensa? Probably. Hopefully 3 gives us more kits that have synergy.
I really hope there will be more flexibility in what sub and special to use, instead of there being 2-3 fixed kits per main weapon. Maybe even free choice of sub/special.
vrange vooglas and vunder are severely lacking compared to the other kits the weapons have, grim gloogla deco and kunder (maybe sorunder) all outclass their vannila variants in some way like grim having the burst bomb combo and having missles for a global special or gloogla deco using walls to dodge roll to protect themselves and kunder using torpedo and armor for a good supportive kit
Honestly ive struggled with "meta defining kits" a lot, the weapons often dont flow with my play style, i use vanilla inkbrush a lot in splatoon 2 and win a very good number of games and people have called me crazy for using whats considered a weak kit, I also use explosher deco despite the nerfs because i know how to use it well even outside of splat zones. So yeah i dont buy into "bad weapons" argument as much as others do myself
This is why I’m actually using the l-3 in not very good and want to use it and I’m aware it’s not good but I’m using it for when it doesn’t have curling bomb No one has said it needed that and I already hate curling bomb
I think one nice thing about "bad" weapons is that because they're not very common, a lot of people don't know how to fight a good player using them and so they can be a good surprise factor.
I feel that most people forget about the fact that the undercover regens it’s shield as soon as you get a splat or an assist. It pairs well with inkmines when you can assist or even splat an enemy in your spawn area even if you’re far away, and if you don’t get splashdown cancelled, you can still get a lot of damage from mid-range with splashdown. Since it also charges the fastest, you can also squid-jump and splashdown on objectives fairly regularly. That is why I think it is a heavily underrated weapon
Cherry Limeade definitely appreciates the shout out as well, and after getting first in Inkopolis Showdown 1 ladder and 3rd overall the next day, I can promise you that more results with suboptimal weapons are sure to come 😌
After reaching X rank I felt like I hit a wall, I couldn't choose a main. Before I was in X rank, my friend (which was in top 2000) recommended my the splash and the nzap and I played them until S+(1-4). But the reason why I quit those weapons wasn't because I was bad at them, in fact I was really good at them, I quit because it gave me no enjoyment. And that was when I started experimenting with mains. In the end of S+4, I started picking up the tetras because the 4 rolls seemed really cool. But as I climbed S+, I grew out of my "slayer mindset" and started playing more and more passive, so I picked up the charger. I started experimenting with the scope and the normal charger but ended up with the scoped one mainly because it seemed a bit more campy and easier to play, but as I started playing more, the friends that were in X rank kept telling me that there was no reason to play the scoped charger (mainly because of the lower fov and less mobility given that it can't hold a charge). So I picked up the gootuber, don't ask why but I just felt like it (my friends still opposed but I didn't care lol). I'm now in X rank (2150 ish) and I'm vibing with the eliter scope and the gootuber.
we all had the phase hitting X rank before i got to X rank I was using roller and I was dominating. I thought the game was so easy cause I was dropping 20-25 kill games with the roller and ninja squid but like you I stopped cause it gave me no enjoyment and I haven't used the hero roller since actually. Anyways, at the beginning of X rank I was struggling with the splattershots that I mained even in splatoon 1 so I would resort to the custom blaster but as I got better and better at the game I've been able to use a multitude of weapons to get me success
Same, in my case before reaching x rank i played sploosh 7/naut79/squiffer/carbon but after some time i felt like i was getting bad or couldnt aim at all so i tried different weapons until i hit aero pg (yes i know) which seemed weak but i enjoyed playing it, the burst bomb combo and booyah bomb easily became my favs as well as the main weapon and it is now the weapon i use the most/main (i also started using tetras and k octobrush and i consider these as my other 2 mains)
Yeah. I never got to a very high rank but I loved rollers and sloshers in 1, and in 2 mained gray nzap and light tetra for a while but eventually started using nautilus and ballpoint more. Thinking of being a stringer main when 3 releases
most really bad weapons in splatoon never feel explicitly bad is the thing thats weird it really is just that they have no use over other options tbh, and thats fine bcs people can still use them esp if ur not in higher level comp
I play range, goo, and dynamo. They're some of my favorite weapons and I totally agree, these not-so-good weapons are absolutely the ones I get the most enjoyment from playing. Playing them brings challenges that often wouldn't happen with other weapons like the K .52 or N Splash but that just makes overcoming them so much more satisfying imo.
Personally I love playing Gootuber but the only thing I always wonder was: "why can't it charge while swimming ?" I think it would be a great rework (ofc don't put the full speed on the swim) and makes an interesting MPU I am not game designer but I see the charging time like: no MPU: 40% speed 3 main MPU: 70% speed I think that makes the weapon more different from his competitor the squiffer and keep the gimmicky aspect of the weapon with that change I don't see a problem with the short range and goes well with curling ps: as always great video! keep it up!
If this were real I'd definetly have this as a alternative charger to play. I already use the living hell out of fresh squiffer, so switching it up with gootuber like this includes the fun of a aggressive yet backline style weapon in a different light.
An analogy I've always found great as to a reason to play the more overlooked weapons is one I've stuck by for this whole game as a Glooga Deco main: Sure, you could use the top tiers, have an easier time and dominate all the time. But at the end of the match, when those results display, all someone will see is another person using top tiers with their defined strengths to win. Blaming the weapon for making them so good. There's not a lot of sticking potential to see. But when you make yourself known using a mid or low tier weapon, you may have to work hard to overcome and play around your weaknesses and worse matchups, but in the end, when you get good enough and style on an entire X rank lobby, or take on a competitive team and win, they might just remember you a little more for making it work, against all the odds.
I went on a weapon main hunt for a while, and for now I’ve settled on trying to master the splatling class. I’m also trying to develop flexible gear for my main. I like nautilus 79 :)
Ay, welcome to the splatling team! I like to use all splatlings, but my favourite is definitely still heavy :) If you need any help with gear, ink resistance, run speed and swim speed up as well as some super jump speed up is great for all splatlings.
Whatever you do, DON NOT RUN NINJA SQUID ON THIS WEAPON IT IS POINTLESS I SAW SOMEONE IN SOLOQ DO THIS. How anyone could think of running ninja squid on a weapon that holds a charge is beyond baffling.
I just rather like to play like a supportive scout with my Undercover Brella. Running around and placing boosted Ink Mines, and using SuperJumping Splashdowns to preserve the time, teammates and turf, while getting in as close to the opponent as possible so that I can bump into them and either use the bump as a boost or as a way to make extra damage, while using the shield like an extra life that I have to be able to take advantage of. So, I kinda create an entire team dynamic where I am basically painting out a path for my team and I have to depend on them to cover the weaknesses like the Unreliable splatting and being extremely weak against basically Buckets, Chargers and Rollers. I just try to preserve the turf of my teammates so that they have somewhere to run while staying alive more often than the opponents, I can't splat them but I can beat them by dragging them about. Which is honestly why I prefer using Vunder on like... well, all of the modes to be honest, I can just set up Ink mines on the opponents super clams and I can drag them all over the place and Pursuit (you know, that Dark type Pokemon move?) them down reliably, I can use the SuperJump Splashdown to preserve Allies time on the Tower and to just crowd control protect Rainmaker, especially if an ally just sharks out in an area with a lot of Enemy Ink and right next to something like a Sting Ray or Tenta Missiles. And finally, Splat Zones is just an outright nightmare for the opponents to deal with if I put 2 Ink Mines on there and I constantly gain Splashdown for my team to just step on the Zone for me to Superjump to them and get it back.
A similar situation during the "Bad Weapons With Strengths" section around the strong counterplay part, is Ike in Super Smash Bros Brawl, where he has good strengths and pretty even matchups with everyone except Meta Knight. But because Meta Knight is used so often (because of being the undisputable best character in the game), and Ike has such a bad matchup with him, Ike is used much less often in competitive play.
THANK YOU for making this video. There have been many times where i've been ridiculed and harassed for the weapons I play or the comp our team decides to run. We like to push the limit of our comps and mains instead of going for the classic meta option or meta option with one off meta weapon, because its fun to see where it gets us. It's fun to play. A lot of people in the past seem to think that i'm automatically going to do bad just because I play x weapon or run x gear.
amazing video, didnt expect this topic but definetly was something that needed to be said, also the jr + gloogas is a perfect example and i see jr being used to make up for something in a comp more often, specially since jr has dropped a lot in the meta so its nice to see jr + very agressive weapon/main weapon oriented like glooogas, carbon, etc...
I think there is a disconnect between the topic and comments. The comments are most likely referring to ranked... in which everything works. Splashdown is a decent special when people can't shoot it down. People can flank harder and make plays easier against players that don't check your maps. Heck, even armor weak weapons don't suffer as much when the armor user isn't coordinating with the team (though RIP against double armor). My point is they are mostly likely arguing from experience and not from the competitive and pro scene. Personally, bad is a relative term that get used objectively too often. When people hear bad, they think "unusable," "doesn't work," or "can't win." Nobody said that. When people say something is bad, it is always in relation to the other options at hand.
The flingza roller is honestly perfect for me, the long range really helps with like controlling areas and the suction bomb and missles make it really aggressive.
great vid!! the asumsaus footage caught me by surprise, another great content creator lol. as someone who plays cgoo, i can say you really hit the nail on the head with this analysis. the weapon isnt horrible, squiff is just better which is so so unfortunate. really looking forward to seeing the s3 kits. ik in your weapon kit video you suggested stamp and thats exactly what i've been saying would go great with it--i think it would help it break into its own & the versatility really suits it. here's hoping! (:
For me, the most unusable or uncompetitive weapon is also one of my favorites. It's the splat brellas. The tenta brellas fill their niche well and the undercover brellas are strong enough to enable me to take over a game, but the inherent weaknesses of the splat brellas along with all the many nerfs over the patches make it simply not viable at a high level, at least for me. The shield breaks in a single hit from bombs and chargers now (suction & splat bomb is fine), the damage is very inconsistent and some glancing blows yield as little as 16.2%, you can't do anything while the shield is open but strafe, it's horrible on ink consumption, and there is about 13 or so frames of lag when you drop into the ink before you start to refill the tank (luna blaster also has this nerf). The fire rate also leaves you open to any type of shooter, which is just the way it works. I'm certainly not going to complain about that, just pointing out that it is one of its weaknesses. I hope the splat brella goes back to its original form in Splatoon 3 so it can be somewhat good in X rank solo queue. P.S. I think the nerfs came because having a semi-mobile shield in a LAN environment or any environment where there is constant communication between teammates can be pretty strong. They just left it overwhelmingly weak in normal ranked modes.
"Are you on drugs or something?" If a guy on drugs: -Won Turf NA Summer 2020 -Won 2nd place in Area Cup 35 -Is a Blaster god then I think you need to sit down and rethink your choices
I’ve always accidentally used bad mains in games. I main razor in genshin, bowser in smash and blazekin in pokken. For splatoon 2 I’ve mained vanilla sploosh o matic, grim range blaster, and the heavy splatling remix
Having this video come out just after I finished binging the recent tournament which featured Vocto and Vloogas is actually an amazing coincidence ngl. Still so salty that Lyrical Lemonade and Cherry Limeade didn't even make it to finals...
another absolutely stellar explanation, a player can make a weapon but the weapon also makes the player personally I'm a fan of the tetras (both) auto bomb is an ok tool as it stands but it pairs well with the 4 dodges and end lag issues the tetras struggle with by no means do I think the weapons are good but it's always fun to see in a comp because you know the team made a strategy to go with it
For some god forsaken reason Goo Tuber is probably my best or second best charger and I have no clue why. Usually my best charger is E liter, but something about Goo Tuber just kinda clicks and I generally perform better with it than other similar chargers. Also it is by far the funniest charger which makes it epic
tbh the game began to be SO fun when i started to play bad weapons. With over 1000+ hours its starting to get boring when im playing weapons im really good at- so i started to use weapons i NEVER played before (which are considered to be "bad" or "outclassed") and its like a little challenge to try to use thesd weapons
Could you do a video on different comps like the traditional quad shooter, chip damage etc and the advantages and disadvantages of them all? you could also do this with what we have seen with S3 so far too (just an idea you dont have to do it lol)
I completely understand what you mean about these bad weapons. For me, I use the vanilla inkbrush. I really love the fact it has a splat bomb and my play style is based around having a melee weapon with a sub-weapon that can splat. But splashdown is bad. But I don't use it the normal way. Instead of using it for splatting enemies, I use it for turfing and an ink tank refill once I run out. I also use it as a way to push back close-range weapons as some close-range weapons (like other brushes) have it harder to counter splashdown. I play very aggressively but I know when to retreat and splashdown can be used like this to help you push back enemies away so you can run. But this is very rare and if they have a long enough range weapon like anything that has more range than n-zap/splash then I'm dead if they don't react fast enough. Another way to use splashdown is as a surprise special. A inkbrushes best quality is its speed and using this you can flank enemies and come up from behind. And splashdown can be used to either splat them or at least capture an objective. Finally, splashdown has been seen more recently as a special to counter other specials. This is very rare and lucky but there are a few specials that splashdown has the advantage over. Ultra Stamp can be canceled with a splashdown as the stamp's reaction time isn't good enough to throw the hammer to stop the splashdown that is right in their face. Baller is another one because if you use splashdown right before the baller has the opportunity to activate their explosion you can break the baller and splat them. The hardest special to counter with splashdown but is possible is the booyah bomb. If you see someone charging up a booyah bomb and have a splashdown ready. Use your splashdown right underneath them and that'll break their armor instantly and then you can splat them maybe even before they have the chance to throw their booyah bomb.
in splatoon 1 the areospray (golden idk what its called) there is a strat where you place a mine and as soon as someone is near use the airstike that was crazy in rank was the most usefull
Personally, I play dynamo (thanks to you for inspiring me to pick this weapon up, I've had a blast so far!) normal blaster and the splattershot jr/neo splash sometimes. (its kinda a relief to not worry about my ink tank some times and the mobility is nice too!) I think this is a really well presented video and had a lot of points I think everyone should keep in mind.
As an ex goo tuber main (vanilla) I look back fondly on the times where I was a god at using it. I remember getting 15 splats in a single turf war and all the crazy trick shots I would pull off with the increased charge hold. This was 2 or 3 years ago and it was a blast!
Weapons feeling like they're meant to have matchups is kinda my issue with Splatoon 2's general balance. If you're playing a combat-oriented Weapon without purposes outside of combat and get shut down by an enemy's Weapon, well...Have fun losing the game at very little fault of your own. Sure, stuff like Aerospray is obviously shut down in combat 80% of the time, but that's fine because you don't run it for combat, you run it for Special Spa- I mean, TURFING capabilities. I think that Weapons shouldn't be so hard-countered by other Weapon types. Generalists (Shooters especially) are the kings/queens of shutting down Weapons with ANY weakness, and to me they seem to be a big part of the issue. I'm just rambling because I went into Ranked with Explosher and had a decent time bullying the slower Weapons before I got my face kicked in by Dualies and Shooters.
as a (ex competitive) gootuber main, i think its a really good weapon since no one knows how to go against gootuber which helps me a lot since gootuber plays like a squiffer but also a splat charger. my average splat count is 16 and i got to s+ with my little gooby. pleas im a professional here something a lot of people dont understand with the goobert is that you play with mpu and you barely ever kill with a fully charge. most of my fully charge shots are charged on tower control since im always on tower tldr: gootuber is good ur just mean :(
If Vanilla Range had Splat Bombs instead of Suction Bombs, which a 10% increase in efficiency via subs is huge for a weapon that takes 11% per shot base, it would most likely be a high B to mid A tier weapon and not a C tier Tower Control-only god. Splat Bombs would only be fair in its case to deal with Ink Armor for a quick combo even if it leaves you with anywhere between 32% to 28% ink left, only affording one or two more shots based on Saver Main stacking, and quick turfing potential to build Inkstorm faster, with the only loss being Suction which is very good at denying the Tower, but that's the only upside for it. EDIT: Also I've mained VRange since day 1 of Splatoon 2, and despite it being generally a shit weapon I have perfected a build that gives me very decent results even in Rank X, albeit sacrificing a bit of movement and protection for consistency and ink efficiency. I am extremely hyped that 3 has better movement options that helps Blaster as a weapon class approach in many more situations, especially vertical ones if that wall swim jump tech is to be believed.
Man I’m so sad how done-dirty Forge Pro was. In S1 I majorly respected the weapon after I would get over 16+ kills each match when I used it. And that was back when I didn’t even use sub weapons that often.I didn’t have a lick of damage-up either. But with Splatoon 2’s version…. Meh… heartbroken when I found out it suckedddd.
i actually main Vgloogas since September and it's fun to use at some point. Not trying to bring *"it can work"* , in reality - any bad weapon can work sometimes and so i did with gloogas where mines are bad. Combining them with Comeback works good
vGloogs are pretty good though. It's the kind of main that doesn't need kits to function and is arguably one of the best things at dealing with the meta specials, and that makes them arguably the best mine setters on par with Inkbrush Nouveau. Most other weapons either have to give up a crucial tool to get the Mine or are backliners, but Gloogas, while having very strong subs on the other two kits, work well enough without them to afford using the Mine.
I don't see why this is even an issue for some people. Every competitive game has a tier list of some kind, and in every tier list there will be those weapons/characters/sets/whatever that are objectively the worst. That's just how it is. The only way there would be no "bad weapons" in a game like Splatoon2 is if there was only one weapon.
yea I 100% agree with what you said there at the end Chara about bad weapons being the fun ones like recently in league I've been messing with carbon and GRB (again) and I enjoy them + my mains as a class (outside of mini and naut the 2 I play least overall) get outclassed by jet and charger but as you said in the examples with cherry limeade they can work it just has to be done properly personally I've noticed with splatling is if it gets set up and is able to minimize missile out put by killing jet/shot it actually beats some if not most of the high/top tiers but again it requires not getting spammed by missiles every 2 seconds (sorry for making this an essay)
I love playing Vanilla Undercover because the combination of ink mines, fast splatdowns, the canopy that can tank some hits while you shoot and the right abilities make this weapon great at harrasment tactics. Granted, I don't play at a particularly high level, but still. You'd go on ahead of the team, place ink mines at choke points you know enemies will go through, preferably just so that they can't disable or avoid them by inking the floor they are on. So, enemies would get through there and get marked or even killed by the mine which is cool. It also works well for hit and run kind of gameplay, so you can place mines, do hit and runs and if an enemy is chasing you, you not only disrupt them (since someone has to chase you down) but also get kills off of that. The shield protects a bit and allows you to back up. You can also ambush with splatdown, which is always fun. None one in my circle of friends believed me that the undercover is cool, until they just all kind of had to resign when I killed them a bunch with well placed ink mines. It's by far not a really strong weapon and I'm sure in the more competitive high levels of play it just gets destroyed, but I'm having a lot of success with it online and against my friends for sure.
I don’t know what you’re on because vunder in 2 has the worst sub and special. Splashdown is easy to avoid or cancel. Mines don’t do shit. If you wanna mark enemies use point sensor. If you wanna do damage use a bomb. Mines do such minor damage it’s painful to use. They’re mildly useful on eliter though
im gonna be honest as a range main the weapon is very bad to play but its fun and thats why i still use it but mostly only the grim kit, also vgloogas and vunder get outclassed kinda by there own kits glooga decos wall helps protect itself in turret mode aswell as kgloogas having fizzy kunder and sunder both have bombs and kunder has a armor which is nice
As a goo tuber main that's tired of hearing shit about the squiffer I am actually kind of delighted to hear someone talk POSITIVELY about it... it just... warms my heart tbh
I would also like to get a perspective for casual players that don't find the ranked game modes much fun and stick to Turf War (There's a lot of them including myself). I've found the Undercover Brella mentioned in the video a very nice way to hold area's against multiple enemies. This because you can set up the mines in strategic locations and then ambush them with the shielded brella. The fast splashdown is just icing on the cake at this point.
one of my personal favorite weapons that i saw got a bit of flack is the luna blaster. since i saw it in splatoon 1, i fell in love with its design and how it worked, and recently in splatoon 2 (just got back into it to hype myself up for splatoon 3) i’ve played a couple matches of the kensa luna blaster and i really enjoy it.
Hey man as one of the 6 vinilla glooga mains on planet earth, it's not thaaaaat bad. But fr great breakdown of how even "bad" weapons can still be great altho they get put in unfortunate situations way to often
I think the last thing that needs to be added is: just because what you said is "theorycrafting not backed by high-level results, "doesn't mean these 'bad' weapons can't be viable in turf, ranked, or in low or mid-level play. High level play shouldn't have a monopoly on weapon viability. Ultimately - good and bad are relative depending on your goals.
i’ve been trying to swap over to the kensa splattershot bc after watching your videos i’ve realized S+4 is probably the highest i can get with a sploosh 😅
Depends on the variant. Imo, vanilla is just not, neo is a meme, but the 7 kit is genuinely good. It’s a fast slayer with a bomb to poke and a complimentary aggressive special that gives it some range when it needs it. It has amazing mobility, shreds rainmaker like no other, and paints it’s feet pretty dang well
While I'd definitely recommend diversifying the weapons you use since Splatoon has so many fun weapons, there's also pretty good evidence that Sploosh 7 in particular can do really well: ruclips.net/video/rhUhcs7gRpk/видео.html
My favorite "bad" weapon would be the Kensa Octobrush. I've heard people say Octobrushes are bad because they're easy to punish if you catch them out and can aim at all, but I can just get more creative with how I approach. Plus, it's my favorite ultra-stamp weapon.
I usually play the kensa roller due to the bubble blower and the bomb. I've seen a lot of stuff relating to the kit being weird and bad but I use the shields as well as the bombs pretty decently. it also helps that I really like rollers but the meta is just so hard to play around without the range necessary
people say that abt the kit but splat bomb is typically really good for slayers and bubble blower is one of those specials that is really versatile and can be used for a very aggressive play style or very defensive. One time when I used the K roller I got 3 kills with one pop of them. Yall say the kits bad but isn't the point of slayers to get kills? K roller is the best roller in the game hands down
I am a Sploosh 7 main, but occasionally I like to play VSploosh because it’s just a fun weapon to move around the battlefield and splashdown a lot. (I’m also at a lower ranking so I don’t get shot down every time but still)
I wanna ask you a personal question Chara: do you think they should take away the white ink frames on Dynamo? I feel like the thing that made it great was it could paint a lot and making it have more downtime directly kills the point of using it. No white ink frames on that Jr or Nzap!
I think those weapons should be called the unfortunate weapons instead of bad weapons. Those weapons didn't get lucky at the start of the game and it stayed like that for the entire game. They should be able to change kits in splatoon 3
So, bad weapons could in theory be hyper-situational and/or have a kit that is counterproductive to the base play style of the type (sniper, blaster, inkbrush etc.) or class (slayer, anchor, and the other one I forgot)
I’m coming back to this video just to say that when I saw the glooga dualies for the first time, I pronounced them googa doodies and now I can’t stop lmao
Thanks for making this. I'm an Aerospray main, and I use it BECAUSE it's bad. Weapons like Splash are extremely boring to me because of just how good they are. The worse a weapon, the funner it is. also yes i know i'm talking about splatoon 3 and this is a splatoon 2 video
Goo-tuber here. I always see how people don’t like this class, for it’s short aim and supposedly useless existence, but after playing it for a while , I have learned tons of useful info on it, like how you can hold a shot for a very long time, and how you’re faster to come from the ink.
I've been a shooter main since the beginning, only picking up naut and enperries somewhat recently so these problems I've never truly encountered. Idk why I like shooters either. I like the mobility and versatility ig lolll. But it's nice knowing that all weapons are viable to an extent, it's just some are easier than others, definitely Just wish I could pick up different weapons so I could have fun but I care too much about winning and rank to do that hahahah...
I used to be a gootuber main that also mained squiffer and charger, I can say its hard to get used to and it is def outclassed but if used right its downright deadly
It’s not really that the weapons are bad for me, it’s that I don’t really know how to use them. Undercover’s shield is shredded very quickly, it deals low damage, and I’m not sure how I can stall fights when the enemies have a better paint output than me, and bombs too. Gootuber feels like charger a bit, except you either hit your shot, or the enemy sees you in ink and kills you. They’re confusing and hard to use is what I find the issue with. But this is merely my opinion. The kits also affect them.
I main Krak-on roller, mainly because I main it in splat 1,when it was decent/good, and now I love it, I don't know why, but it's the only roller I use. In Splatoon 2, with my main being not as good as it was, I am now running a sub power up build and playing it mostly on clam blitz, using the beacons, something that I didn't really used in 1. I hope Krak-on gets the crab tank in 3, it would be awesome.
The initial concept was terrible, but at this point it's a completely different weapon from what it was in 1.0. It's a partial charge machine that mostly bamboozles with 60-charges and tapshots at the tip of its tap range (which is at 3 lines, same as likes of Pro), with occasional 100-charge and full charge as a strong but situational options and long charge hold relegated to "oh, it can also do that".
actually Melee Fox aint a bad comparison for Splatoon, Sense he just exposes How most metas work when you break it down enough Sense he is so powerful the meta is basicly just using jul to beat Up anything else or using His few counters to beat him, so the meta is basicly Fox, Fox's counter and that counters counter everything else is outclassed, which means that to use any other character means ether you are not good enough with Fox, or you're so good that you can win even without Fox and/or you are doing something weird and new with the character that other players aren't going to know How to handle due to lack of experience, which is how Mewtwo king Lost to a Yoshi it's basicly the same as using under powered weapons, you use them because you're ether not good enough with the meta weapons or you're so good(via skill and team building)that you can win even without those meta weapons
I like dapple dualies. not as much now probably bc i use motion now and dualies are help out stick controls a bit but i can rack up quite a few kills with it especially on albacore
If you want to know what an actual unusably bad weapon in a shooter looks like, you can look over at Team Fortress 2 I think. That game has some famously terrible weapons that truly have no practical use case. Looking at a traditionally "bad" weapon in splatoon like the Aerospray MG, the weapon still has its niche in heavy turfing and special spam, even if those elements are outclassed. While not great, that's still usable even if its use isn't exactly stellar. The same cannot be said for, say, the Sharpened Volcano Fragment, a melee weapon that serves the purpose of igniting enemies up close... on a class with a flamethrower. I think that's ultimately where the confusion would stem from. When you call a weapon "bad" the mind immediately goes to things like the Sharpened Volcano Fragment which have no practical applications.
The only reason I use gootuber is because I'm horrendous with a squiffer, considering you need to jump in order to make faster charges. But hey, at least I know now that gootuber can work in the right situations that doesn't include tri sloshers kensa gal bamboozler and others
Like, in Splatoon 2 I completly main the Kensa UnderCover and I love this weapon! I just hope they make the shield way stronger cause it just never really gets to show the shield strengh unless you have a lot of Main Weapon+ which increases it shield strength
I’ve enjoyed and actually fragged out with a lot of the “bad weapons” They’re bad, sure but they are also fun as hell I’ve gotten super fresh (13.5) in turf and used the sliver aerospray in zones As for the chargers, I’ve actually main them for a while and it was funny seeing people tilt
I'm a sploosh-o-matic main and i saw it at the top of F tier does anybody know what it's "outclassed" by? my guess would be the aerospray but i played a lot with it and it didn't really seem as good as the sploosh-o-matic so uh maybe
For Vsploosh its kit leaves it with too limited options in competitive play. Without map control you have no poking options and splashdown doesn't help retake. The kit is also on other weapons that can play around it better (roller) and sploosh itself has a really good with sploosh 7, that has a super dominant RM niche due to high DPS and mobility.
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My best analogy for this for people who play fighting games is this: Splatoon 2 is the balance equivalent of Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Little Mac might be the objectively worst character in the game, but that doesn't stop Peanut from styling on people with him. Goo Tuber might be one of the worst weapons in Splatoon 2, but that doesn't stop the Goo Tuber main on the enemy team from sniping me 3 times in a single match because I couldn't fecking find where they were shooting from. Every weapon regardless of kit is able to do _something_ and perform well when played to its strengths.
All these comparisons to the Smash Bros. series would mean something to me, if I actually played Smash Bros.
agree
@@PetikG can confirm them, the worst character in the game which is actually ganon (little mac is down there too) has won top lvl sets against top 5 characters both online and LAN
@@Butterkix What about Dr. Mario. Also, if Splatoon 2 is basically the Smash Ultimate of Splatoon, what will Splatoon 3 be?
@@StoryTeller796 dr mario is also bottom 5, ganon is very easily the worst in the game with niche ass normals and 0 matchups better than +1
as for the second thing idk lol
Rather than saying “bad weapons”, I’ve been saying “outclassed kits”. Every main weapon is viable, but the sub & special is the make or break for the weapons.
Being outclassed can be due to a multitude of reasons: lack of synergy in the kit, nerfs, and how the meta is changing. Can you use V Gloogas to win? Yes. Is it harder to win compared to using Deco or Kensa? Probably. Hopefully 3 gives us more kits that have synergy.
I really hope there will be more flexibility in what sub and special to use, instead of there being 2-3 fixed kits per main weapon. Maybe even free choice of sub/special.
@@LunaDragofelis that would be awful... It would just be bland, and takes away from the importance of game knowledge
vrange vooglas and vunder are severely lacking compared to the other kits the weapons have, grim gloogla deco and kunder (maybe sorunder) all outclass their vannila variants in some way like grim having the burst bomb combo and having missles for a global special or gloogla deco using walls to dodge roll to protect themselves and kunder using torpedo and armor for a good supportive kit
Honestly ive struggled with "meta defining kits" a lot, the weapons often dont flow with my play style, i use vanilla inkbrush a lot in splatoon 2 and win a very good number of games and people have called me crazy for using whats considered a weak kit, I also use explosher deco despite the nerfs because i know how to use it well even outside of splat zones. So yeah i dont buy into "bad weapons" argument as much as others do myself
This is why I’m actually using the l-3 in not very good and want to use it and I’m aware it’s not good but I’m using it for when it doesn’t have curling bomb
No one has said it needed that and I already hate curling bomb
Ok ngl I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I just wanna say how absolutely CLEAN these thumbnails have been, especially this one.
This one is still the bestruclips.net/video/KHbsvUzTd4U/видео.html
This aint no Rickroll
omg glostick? i just did a trade with you LOL funny finding you here
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I think one nice thing about "bad" weapons is that because they're not very common, a lot of people don't know how to fight a good player using them and so they can be a good surprise factor.
Exactly!
I feel that most people forget about the fact that the undercover regens it’s shield as soon as you get a splat or an assist. It pairs well with inkmines when you can assist or even splat an enemy in your spawn area even if you’re far away, and if you don’t get splashdown cancelled, you can still get a lot of damage from mid-range with splashdown. Since it also charges the fastest, you can also squid-jump and splashdown on objectives fairly regularly. That is why I think it is a heavily underrated weapon
And it has such a sleek design too! I might give it another shot
I love playing undercover or fighting alongside one. It's such a great assist weapon
Before i picked up the kensa gloogas, the undercover was my main for a looong time. I love using it on splat zones
Cherry Limeade definitely appreciates the shout out as well, and after getting first in Inkopolis Showdown 1 ladder and 3rd overall the next day, I can promise you that more results with suboptimal weapons are sure to come 😌
After reaching X rank I felt like I hit a wall, I couldn't choose a main. Before I was in X rank, my friend (which was in top 2000) recommended my the splash and the nzap and I played them until S+(1-4). But the reason why I quit those weapons wasn't because I was bad at them, in fact I was really good at them, I quit because it gave me no enjoyment. And that was when I started experimenting with mains. In the end of S+4, I started picking up the tetras because the 4 rolls seemed really cool. But as I climbed S+, I grew out of my "slayer mindset" and started playing more and more passive, so I picked up the charger. I started experimenting with the scope and the normal charger but ended up with the scoped one mainly because it seemed a bit more campy and easier to play, but as I started playing more, the friends that were in X rank kept telling me that there was no reason to play the scoped charger (mainly because of the lower fov and less mobility given that it can't hold a charge). So I picked up the gootuber, don't ask why but I just felt like it (my friends still opposed but I didn't care lol). I'm now in X rank (2150 ish) and I'm vibing with the eliter scope and the gootuber.
we all had the phase hitting X rank before i got to X rank I was using roller and I was dominating. I thought the game was so easy cause I was dropping 20-25 kill games with the roller and ninja squid but like you I stopped cause it gave me no enjoyment and I haven't used the hero roller since actually. Anyways, at the beginning of X rank I was struggling with the splattershots that I mained even in splatoon 1 so I would resort to the custom blaster but as I got better and better at the game I've been able to use a multitude of weapons to get me success
Same, in my case before reaching x rank i played sploosh 7/naut79/squiffer/carbon but after some time i felt like i was getting bad or couldnt aim at all so i tried different weapons until i hit aero pg (yes i know) which seemed weak but i enjoyed playing it, the burst bomb combo and booyah bomb easily became my favs as well as the main weapon and it is now the weapon i use the most/main (i also started using tetras and k octobrush and i consider these as my other 2 mains)
Yeah. I never got to a very high rank but I loved rollers and sloshers in 1, and in 2 mained gray nzap and light tetra for a while but eventually started using nautilus and ballpoint more. Thinking of being a stringer main when 3 releases
most really bad weapons in splatoon never feel explicitly bad is the thing thats weird it really is just that they have no use over other options tbh, and thats fine bcs people can still use them esp if ur not in higher level comp
I play range, goo, and dynamo. They're some of my favorite weapons and I totally agree, these not-so-good weapons are absolutely the ones I get the most enjoyment from playing. Playing them brings challenges that often wouldn't happen with other weapons like the K .52 or N Splash but that just makes overcoming them so much more satisfying imo.
Personally I love playing Gootuber but the only thing I always wonder was:
"why can't it charge while swimming ?"
I think it would be a great rework (ofc don't put the full speed on the swim) and makes an interesting MPU
I am not game designer but I see the charging time like:
no MPU: 40% speed
3 main MPU: 70% speed
I think that makes the weapon more different from his competitor the squiffer and keep the gimmicky aspect of the weapon
with that change I don't see a problem with the short range and goes well with curling
ps: as always great video! keep it up!
that seems actually awesome
refilling the ink while holding the charge would be nice too
If this were real I'd definetly have this as a alternative charger to play. I already use the living hell out of fresh squiffer, so switching it up with gootuber like this includes the fun of a aggressive yet backline style weapon in a different light.
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An analogy I've always found great as to a reason to play the more overlooked weapons is one I've stuck by for this whole game as a Glooga Deco main:
Sure, you could use the top tiers, have an easier time and dominate all the time. But at the end of the match, when those results display, all someone will see is another person using top tiers with their defined strengths to win. Blaming the weapon for making them so good. There's not a lot of sticking potential to see.
But when you make yourself known using a mid or low tier weapon, you may have to work hard to overcome and play around your weaknesses and worse matchups, but in the end, when you get good enough and style on an entire X rank lobby, or take on a competitive team and win, they might just remember you a little more for making it work, against all the odds.
I went on a weapon main hunt for a while, and for now I’ve settled on trying to master the splatling class. I’m also trying to develop flexible gear for my main.
I like nautilus 79 :)
In my opinion, have drop roller as a backup for for naut just in case for inkjet camps. Maybe swim or run speed too
Ay, welcome to the splatling team! I like to use all splatlings, but my favourite is definitely still heavy :)
If you need any help with gear, ink resistance, run speed and swim speed up as well as some super jump speed up is great for all splatlings.
At least have a Main of Run Speed
Whatever you do, DON NOT RUN NINJA SQUID ON THIS WEAPON IT IS POINTLESS I SAW SOMEONE IN SOLOQ DO THIS. How anyone could think of running ninja squid on a weapon that holds a charge is beyond baffling.
Splatling mains unite! I main remix and custom hydra, and play some mini splatling too~
I just rather like to play like a supportive scout with my Undercover Brella. Running around and placing boosted Ink Mines, and using SuperJumping Splashdowns to preserve the time, teammates and turf, while getting in as close to the opponent as possible so that I can bump into them and either use the bump as a boost or as a way to make extra damage, while using the shield like an extra life that I have to be able to take advantage of. So, I kinda create an entire team dynamic where I am basically painting out a path for my team and I have to depend on them to cover the weaknesses like the Unreliable splatting and being extremely weak against basically Buckets, Chargers and Rollers. I just try to preserve the turf of my teammates so that they have somewhere to run while staying alive more often than the opponents, I can't splat them but I can beat them by dragging them about. Which is honestly why I prefer using Vunder on like... well, all of the modes to be honest, I can just set up Ink mines on the opponents super clams and I can drag them all over the place and Pursuit (you know, that Dark type Pokemon move?) them down reliably, I can use the SuperJump Splashdown to preserve Allies time on the Tower and to just crowd control protect Rainmaker, especially if an ally just sharks out in an area with a lot of Enemy Ink and right next to something like a Sting Ray or Tenta Missiles. And finally, Splat Zones is just an outright nightmare for the opponents to deal with if I put 2 Ink Mines on there and I constantly gain Splashdown for my team to just step on the Zone for me to Superjump to them and get it back.
A similar situation during the "Bad Weapons With Strengths" section around the strong counterplay part, is Ike in Super Smash Bros Brawl, where he has good strengths and pretty even matchups with everyone except Meta Knight. But because Meta Knight is used so often (because of being the undisputable best character in the game), and Ike has such a bad matchup with him, Ike is used much less often in competitive play.
Lol @ the people trying to roast you for calling certain weapons bad. This was a great video!
The guy who said splashdown isn't the worst got me laughing 😂😂💀
As a person who mains vanilla inkbrush
same
THANK YOU for making this video. There have been many times where i've been ridiculed and harassed for the weapons I play or the comp our team decides to run. We like to push the limit of our comps and mains instead of going for the classic meta option or meta option with one off meta weapon, because its fun to see where it gets us. It's fun to play. A lot of people in the past seem to think that i'm automatically going to do bad just because I play x weapon or run x gear.
lmao that one guy questioning how SD is the worst special, nice vid chara
You should also mention that it's not one win which makes a weapon good but the fact that they can get these wins consistently
amazing video, didnt expect this topic but definetly was something that needed to be said,
also the jr + gloogas is a perfect example and i see jr being used to make up for something in a comp more often, specially since jr has dropped a lot in the meta so its nice to see jr + very agressive weapon/main weapon oriented like glooogas, carbon, etc...
I think there is a disconnect between the topic and comments. The comments are most likely referring to ranked... in which everything works. Splashdown is a decent special when people can't shoot it down. People can flank harder and make plays easier against players that don't check your maps. Heck, even armor weak weapons don't suffer as much when the armor user isn't coordinating with the team (though RIP against double armor). My point is they are mostly likely arguing from experience and not from the competitive and pro scene.
Personally, bad is a relative term that get used objectively too often. When people hear bad, they think "unusable," "doesn't work," or "can't win." Nobody said that. When people say something is bad, it is always in relation to the other options at hand.
The flingza roller is honestly perfect for me, the long range really helps with like controlling areas and the suction bomb and missles make it really aggressive.
great vid!! the asumsaus footage caught me by surprise, another great content creator lol. as someone who plays cgoo, i can say you really hit the nail on the head with this analysis. the weapon isnt horrible, squiff is just better which is so so unfortunate. really looking forward to seeing the s3 kits. ik in your weapon kit video you suggested stamp and thats exactly what i've been saying would go great with it--i think it would help it break into its own & the versatility really suits it. here's hoping! (:
For me, the most unusable or uncompetitive weapon is also one of my favorites. It's the splat brellas. The tenta brellas fill their niche well and the undercover brellas are strong enough to enable me to take over a game, but the inherent weaknesses of the splat brellas along with all the many nerfs over the patches make it simply not viable at a high level, at least for me. The shield breaks in a single hit from bombs and chargers now (suction & splat bomb is fine), the damage is very inconsistent and some glancing blows yield as little as 16.2%, you can't do anything while the shield is open but strafe, it's horrible on ink consumption, and there is about 13 or so frames of lag when you drop into the ink before you start to refill the tank (luna blaster also has this nerf). The fire rate also leaves you open to any type of shooter, which is just the way it works. I'm certainly not going to complain about that, just pointing out that it is one of its weaknesses. I hope the splat brella goes back to its original form in Splatoon 3 so it can be somewhat good in X rank solo queue.
P.S. I think the nerfs came because having a semi-mobile shield in a LAN environment or any environment where there is constant communication between teammates can be pretty strong. They just left it overwhelmingly weak in normal ranked modes.
Forge is just sad.....
This is a really good video Chara! Explaining weapons weaknesses and the ability for things to work in the right teams comps.
big sadge
"Are you on drugs or something?"
If a guy on drugs:
-Won Turf NA Summer 2020
-Won 2nd place in Area Cup 35
-Is a Blaster god
then I think you need to sit down and rethink your choices
I’ve always accidentally used bad mains in games. I main razor in genshin, bowser in smash and blazekin in pokken. For splatoon 2 I’ve mained vanilla sploosh o matic, grim range blaster, and the heavy splatling remix
Having this video come out just after I finished binging the recent tournament which featured Vocto and Vloogas is actually an amazing coincidence ngl.
Still so salty that Lyrical Lemonade and Cherry Limeade didn't even make it to finals...
another absolutely stellar explanation, a player can make a weapon but the weapon also makes the player personally I'm a fan of the tetras (both) auto bomb is an ok tool as it stands but it pairs well with the 4 dodges and end lag issues the tetras struggle with by no means do I think the weapons are good but it's always fun to see in a comp because you know the team made a strategy to go with it
For some god forsaken reason Goo Tuber is probably my best or second best charger and I have no clue why. Usually my best charger is E liter, but something about Goo Tuber just kinda clicks and I generally perform better with it than other similar chargers.
Also it is by far the funniest charger which makes it epic
tbh the game began to be SO fun when i started to play bad weapons. With over 1000+ hours its starting to get boring when im playing weapons im really good at- so i started to use weapons i NEVER played before (which are considered to be "bad" or "outclassed") and its like a little challenge to try to use thesd weapons
Could you do a video on different comps like the traditional quad shooter, chip damage etc and the advantages and disadvantages of them all? you could also do this with what we have seen with S3 so far too
(just an idea you dont have to do it lol)
As a vanilla Inkbrush main, having a team that plays to your strength or strategy is a beautiful thing.
I completely understand what you mean about these bad weapons. For me, I use the vanilla inkbrush. I really love the fact it has a splat bomb and my play style is based around having a melee weapon with a sub-weapon that can splat. But splashdown is bad. But I don't use it the normal way. Instead of using it for splatting enemies, I use it for turfing and an ink tank refill once I run out. I also use it as a way to push back close-range weapons as some close-range weapons (like other brushes) have it harder to counter splashdown. I play very aggressively but I know when to retreat and splashdown can be used like this to help you push back enemies away so you can run. But this is very rare and if they have a long enough range weapon like anything that has more range than n-zap/splash then I'm dead if they don't react fast enough. Another way to use splashdown is as a surprise special. A inkbrushes best quality is its speed and using this you can flank enemies and come up from behind. And splashdown can be used to either splat them or at least capture an objective. Finally, splashdown has been seen more recently as a special to counter other specials. This is very rare and lucky but there are a few specials that splashdown has the advantage over. Ultra Stamp can be canceled with a splashdown as the stamp's reaction time isn't good enough to throw the hammer to stop the splashdown that is right in their face. Baller is another one because if you use splashdown right before the baller has the opportunity to activate their explosion you can break the baller and splat them. The hardest special to counter with splashdown but is possible is the booyah bomb. If you see someone charging up a booyah bomb and have a splashdown ready. Use your splashdown right underneath them and that'll break their armor instantly and then you can splat them maybe even before they have the chance to throw their booyah bomb.
in splatoon 1 the areospray (golden idk what its called) there is a strat where you place a mine and as soon as someone is near use the airstike that was crazy in rank was the most usefull
You forgot something about goo tuber, you can flop while holding charge
Personally, I play dynamo (thanks to you for inspiring me to pick this weapon up, I've had a blast so far!) normal blaster and the splattershot jr/neo splash sometimes. (its kinda a relief to not worry about my ink tank some times and the mobility is nice too!) I think this is a really well presented video and had a lot of points I think everyone should keep in mind.
as a V glooga main I like your take on this and it is very fun to play
The horizontal flick of the dynamo roller feels like your sending a tidal wave at your opponents
As an ex goo tuber main (vanilla) I look back fondly on the times where I was a god at using it. I remember getting 15 splats in a single turf war and all the crazy trick shots I would pull off with the increased charge hold. This was 2 or 3 years ago and it was a blast!
Weapons feeling like they're meant to have matchups is kinda my issue with Splatoon 2's general balance.
If you're playing a combat-oriented Weapon without purposes outside of combat and get shut down by an enemy's Weapon, well...Have fun losing the game at very little fault of your own.
Sure, stuff like Aerospray is obviously shut down in combat 80% of the time, but that's fine because you don't run it for combat, you run it for Special Spa- I mean, TURFING capabilities.
I think that Weapons shouldn't be so hard-countered by other Weapon types. Generalists (Shooters especially) are the kings/queens of shutting down Weapons with ANY weakness, and to me they seem to be a big part of the issue.
I'm just rambling because I went into Ranked with Explosher and had a decent time bullying the slower Weapons before I got my face kicked in by Dualies and Shooters.
as a (ex competitive) gootuber main, i think its a really good weapon since no one knows how to go against gootuber which helps me a lot since gootuber plays like a squiffer but also a splat charger.
my average splat count is 16 and i got to s+ with my little gooby. pleas im a professional here
something a lot of people dont understand with the goobert is that you play with mpu and you barely ever kill with a fully charge. most of my fully charge shots are charged on tower control since im always on tower
tldr: gootuber is good ur just mean :(
If Vanilla Range had Splat Bombs instead of Suction Bombs, which a 10% increase in efficiency via subs is huge for a weapon that takes 11% per shot base, it would most likely be a high B to mid A tier weapon and not a C tier Tower Control-only god. Splat Bombs would only be fair in its case to deal with Ink Armor for a quick combo even if it leaves you with anywhere between 32% to 28% ink left, only affording one or two more shots based on Saver Main stacking, and quick turfing potential to build Inkstorm faster, with the only loss being Suction which is very good at denying the Tower, but that's the only upside for it.
EDIT: Also I've mained VRange since day 1 of Splatoon 2, and despite it being generally a shit weapon I have perfected a build that gives me very decent results even in Rank X, albeit sacrificing a bit of movement and protection for consistency and ink efficiency. I am extremely hyped that 3 has better movement options that helps Blaster as a weapon class approach in many more situations, especially vertical ones if that wall swim jump tech is to be believed.
Man I’m so sad how done-dirty Forge Pro was. In S1 I majorly respected the weapon after I would get over 16+ kills each match when I used it. And that was back when I didn’t even use sub weapons that often.I didn’t have a lick of damage-up either.
But with Splatoon 2’s version…. Meh… heartbroken when I found out it suckedddd.
i actually main Vgloogas since September and it's fun to use at some point. Not trying to bring *"it can work"* , in reality - any bad weapon can work sometimes and so i did with gloogas where mines are bad. Combining them with Comeback works good
vGloogs are pretty good though. It's the kind of main that doesn't need kits to function and is arguably one of the best things at dealing with the meta specials, and that makes them arguably the best mine setters on par with Inkbrush Nouveau. Most other weapons either have to give up a crucial tool to get the Mine or are backliners, but Gloogas, while having very strong subs on the other two kits, work well enough without them to afford using the Mine.
I don't see why this is even an issue for some people. Every competitive game has a tier list of some kind, and in every tier list there will be those weapons/characters/sets/whatever that are objectively the worst. That's just how it is. The only way there would be no "bad weapons" in a game like Splatoon2 is if there was only one weapon.
even if there was only one weapon, it would still be the worst weapon in the game
Clapples my beloved combing with torpedo feels so good and rising rushing people down much fun but splashdown 😭
I use Vglooga quite a bit, and with some swim speed and sub power up, its actually really good.
The silly ink mine two shot
Very informative! I definitely needed this
yea I 100% agree with what you said there at the end Chara about bad weapons being the fun ones like recently in league I've been messing with carbon and GRB (again) and I enjoy them + my mains as a class (outside of mini and naut the 2 I play least overall) get outclassed by jet and charger but as you said in the examples with cherry limeade they can work it just has to be done properly personally I've noticed with splatling is if it gets set up and is able to minimize missile out put by killing jet/shot it actually beats some if not most of the high/top tiers but again it requires not getting spammed by missiles every 2 seconds (sorry for making this an essay)
I love playing Vanilla Undercover because the combination of ink mines, fast splatdowns, the canopy that can tank some hits while you shoot and the right abilities make this weapon great at harrasment tactics. Granted, I don't play at a particularly high level, but still.
You'd go on ahead of the team, place ink mines at choke points you know enemies will go through, preferably just so that they can't disable or avoid them by inking the floor they are on. So, enemies would get through there and get marked or even killed by the mine which is cool.
It also works well for hit and run kind of gameplay, so you can place mines, do hit and runs and if an enemy is chasing you, you not only disrupt them (since someone has to chase you down) but also get kills off of that. The shield protects a bit and allows you to back up.
You can also ambush with splatdown, which is always fun.
None one in my circle of friends believed me that the undercover is cool, until they just all kind of had to resign when I killed them a bunch with well placed ink mines.
It's by far not a really strong weapon and I'm sure in the more competitive high levels of play it just gets destroyed, but I'm having a lot of success with it online and against my friends for sure.
I don’t know what you’re on because vunder in 2 has the worst sub and special. Splashdown is easy to avoid or cancel. Mines don’t do shit. If you wanna mark enemies use point sensor. If you wanna do damage use a bomb. Mines do such minor damage it’s painful to use. They’re mildly useful on eliter though
im gonna be honest as a range main the weapon is very bad to play but its fun and thats why i still use it but mostly only the grim kit, also vgloogas and vunder get outclassed kinda by there own kits glooga decos wall helps protect itself in turret mode aswell as kgloogas having fizzy kunder and sunder both have bombs and kunder has a armor which is nice
As a goo tuber main that's tired of hearing shit about the squiffer
I am actually kind of delighted to hear someone talk POSITIVELY about it... it just... warms my heart tbh
I hate that there are “heavy weight” weapons in a game where everyone has the same health
I would also like to get a perspective for casual players that don't find the ranked game modes much fun and stick to Turf War (There's a lot of them including myself). I've found the Undercover Brella mentioned in the video a very nice way to hold area's against multiple enemies. This because you can set up the mines in strategic locations and then ambush them with the shielded brella. The fast splashdown is just icing on the cake at this point.
one of my personal favorite weapons that i saw got a bit of flack is the luna blaster. since i saw it in splatoon 1, i fell in love with its design and how it worked, and recently in splatoon 2 (just got back into it to hype myself up for splatoon 3) i’ve played a couple matches of the kensa luna blaster and i really enjoy it.
Hey man as one of the 6 vinilla glooga mains on planet earth, it's not thaaaaat bad. But fr great breakdown of how even "bad" weapons can still be great altho they get put in unfortunate situations way to often
I think the last thing that needs to be added is: just because what you said is "theorycrafting not backed by high-level results, "doesn't mean these 'bad' weapons can't be viable in turf, ranked, or in low or mid-level play. High level play shouldn't have a monopoly on weapon viability. Ultimately - good and bad are relative depending on your goals.
i really hope goo tuber is at least a little better because it’s my favorite sniper. i usually use e-liter though
i’ve been trying to swap over to the kensa splattershot bc after watching your videos i’ve realized S+4 is probably the highest i can get with a sploosh 😅
Depends on the variant. Imo, vanilla is just not, neo is a meme, but the 7 kit is genuinely good. It’s a fast slayer with a bomb to poke and a complimentary aggressive special that gives it some range when it needs it. It has amazing mobility, shreds rainmaker like no other, and paints it’s feet pretty dang well
@@katsoupman3218 Neo is a good meme though.
@@epacgames9197 neo's existence makes me sad because i will open up the map in a ranked match and 3/4 times one spawn is covered like its turf war
While I'd definitely recommend diversifying the weapons you use since Splatoon has so many fun weapons, there's also pretty good evidence that Sploosh 7 in particular can do really well: ruclips.net/video/rhUhcs7gRpk/видео.html
@@katsoupman3218 tbh all the splooshes are a meme just the fast strafe speed of it and how they typically play is funny to me
My favorite "bad" weapon would be the Kensa Octobrush.
I've heard people say Octobrushes are bad because they're easy to punish if you catch them out and can aim at all, but I can just get more creative with how I approach. Plus, it's my favorite ultra-stamp weapon.
You also need the right ability’s in order to perform very well with them
the undercover umbrellas kit is the best for splatzones that are small
Glooga Deco for example just gets outclassed by K52, but even though K52 is just a better weapon, Gloogas are just more fun to play (for me at least)
I usually play the kensa roller due to the bubble blower and the bomb. I've seen a lot of stuff relating to the kit being weird and bad but I use the shields as well as the bombs pretty decently. it also helps that I really like rollers but the meta is just so hard to play around without the range necessary
people say that abt the kit but splat bomb is typically really good for slayers and bubble blower is one of those specials that is really versatile and can be used for a very aggressive play style or very defensive. One time when I used the K roller I got 3 kills with one pop of them. Yall say the kits bad but isn't the point of slayers to get kills? K roller is the best roller in the game hands down
I am a Sploosh 7 main, but occasionally I like to play VSploosh because it’s just a fun weapon to move around the battlefield and splashdown a lot. (I’m also at a lower ranking so I don’t get shot down every time but still)
I wanna ask you a personal question Chara: do you think they should take away the white ink frames on Dynamo? I feel like the thing that made it great was it could paint a lot and making it have more downtime directly kills the point of using it. No white ink frames on that Jr or Nzap!
Can't wait to see someone make a comp around VHydra
I always remember calling the kpro in 2019 the melee fox of splatoon 2 😛
I honestly expect goo tuber to be a stringer in 3, maybe the only stringer with charge hold
I think those weapons should be called the unfortunate weapons instead of bad weapons.
Those weapons didn't get lucky at the start of the game and it stayed like that for the entire game.
They should be able to change kits in splatoon 3
So, bad weapons could in theory be hyper-situational and/or have a kit that is counterproductive to the base play style of the type (sniper, blaster, inkbrush etc.) or class (slayer, anchor, and the other one I forgot)
the timing on this video was insane for me as for july i decided to only play a "bad weapon" to see how good i could get with it (i chose tetras btw)
I’m coming back to this video just to say that when I saw the glooga dualies for the first time, I pronounced them googa doodies and now I can’t stop lmao
Thanks for making this. I'm an Aerospray main, and I use it BECAUSE it's bad. Weapons like Splash are extremely boring to me because of just how good they are. The worse a weapon, the funner it is.
also yes i know i'm talking about splatoon 3 and this is a splatoon 2 video
0:08: "how is splashdown the worse?"
- Average B- Rank Player
Goo-tuber here. I always see how people don’t like this class, for it’s short aim and supposedly useless existence, but after playing it for a while , I have learned tons of useful info on it, like how you can hold a shot for a very long time, and how you’re faster to come from the ink.
I've been a shooter main since the beginning, only picking up naut and enperries somewhat recently so these problems I've never truly encountered.
Idk why I like shooters either. I like the mobility and versatility ig lolll. But it's nice knowing that all weapons are viable to an extent, it's just some are easier than others, definitely
Just wish I could pick up different weapons so I could have fun but I care too much about winning and rank to do that hahahah...
Simple fix to goo tuber: give it burst bomb
I used to be a gootuber main that also mained squiffer and charger, I can say its hard to get used to and it is def outclassed but if used right its downright deadly
I feel like your one of the teachers that say all of my kids have flaws but are all special
Hi I really like your video’s so keep up the good work 👍
I just saw it, you uploaded every day a new interesting vid. Just because 3 is around the corner or is this standard for you ?
It’s not really that the weapons are bad for me, it’s that I don’t really know how to use them. Undercover’s shield is shredded very quickly, it deals low damage, and I’m not sure how I can stall fights when the enemies have a better paint output than me, and bombs too. Gootuber feels like charger a bit, except you either hit your shot, or the enemy sees you in ink and kills you. They’re confusing and hard to use is what I find the issue with. But this is merely my opinion. The kits also affect them.
I main Krak-on roller, mainly because I main it in splat 1,when it was decent/good, and now I love it, I don't know why, but it's the only roller I use. In Splatoon 2, with my main being not as good as it was, I am now running a sub power up build and playing it mostly on clam blitz, using the beacons, something that I didn't really used in 1. I hope Krak-on gets the crab tank in 3, it would be awesome.
The Goo tuber will never stop making me question the weapon itself, it looks cool but executed poorly with a underwhelming kit
The initial concept was terrible, but at this point it's a completely different weapon from what it was in 1.0. It's a partial charge machine that mostly bamboozles with 60-charges and tapshots at the tip of its tap range (which is at 3 lines, same as likes of Pro), with occasional 100-charge and full charge as a strong but situational options and long charge hold relegated to "oh, it can also do that".
actually Melee Fox aint a bad comparison for Splatoon, Sense he just exposes How most metas work when you break it down enough
Sense he is so powerful the meta is basicly just using jul to beat Up anything else or using His few counters to beat him, so the meta is basicly Fox, Fox's counter and that counters counter
everything else is outclassed, which means that to use any other character means ether you are not good enough with Fox, or you're so good that you can win even without Fox and/or you are doing something weird and new with the character that other players aren't going to know How to handle due to lack of experience, which is how Mewtwo king Lost to a Yoshi
it's basicly the same as using under powered weapons, you use them because you're ether not good enough with the meta weapons or you're so good(via skill and team building)that you can win even without those meta weapons
It's good that Ranger Blaster is bad right now cause that means it has a decent chance to get overbuffed at launch in Splatoon 3.
I like dapple dualies. not as much now probably bc i use motion now and dualies are help out stick controls a bit but i can rack up quite a few kills with it especially on albacore
Recently pick up the Emperry dualies, and have had a blast with them. Idk if they're good tho.
If you want to know what an actual unusably bad weapon in a shooter looks like, you can look over at Team Fortress 2 I think. That game has some famously terrible weapons that truly have no practical use case. Looking at a traditionally "bad" weapon in splatoon like the Aerospray MG, the weapon still has its niche in heavy turfing and special spam, even if those elements are outclassed. While not great, that's still usable even if its use isn't exactly stellar. The same cannot be said for, say, the Sharpened Volcano Fragment, a melee weapon that serves the purpose of igniting enemies up close... on a class with a flamethrower. I think that's ultimately where the confusion would stem from. When you call a weapon "bad" the mind immediately goes to things like the Sharpened Volcano Fragment which have no practical applications.
Splatoon 3 totally isn't going to give Forge a REALLY good kit and then give a Squeezer an almost identical and/or better kit COPIUM
The only reason I use gootuber is because I'm horrendous with a squiffer, considering you need to jump in order to make faster charges. But hey, at least I know now that gootuber can work in the right situations that doesn't include tri sloshers kensa gal bamboozler and others
You don't have to jump to charge, it's just that compared to other charger, squiffer charges at full speed even in the air.
@@Zehmaskedman welp. I guess it shows how little I know about squiffers, thanks for the correction though!
squeezer and fire rate go together like peanut butter and jelly.
I hate pb&j
Like, in Splatoon 2 I completly main the Kensa UnderCover and I love this weapon! I just hope they make the shield way stronger cause it just never really gets to show the shield strengh unless you have a lot of Main Weapon+ which increases it shield strength
If the shield was stronger it would be op
I’ve enjoyed and actually fragged out with a lot of the “bad weapons”
They’re bad, sure but they are also fun as hell
I’ve gotten super fresh (13.5) in turf and used the sliver aerospray in zones
As for the chargers, I’ve actually main them for a while and it was funny seeing people tilt
as a tetra player,,, yeah we're hard outclassed splatoon 3 please throw us at least one (1) good kit
The undercover brella is amazing. I will die on this hill.
Kunder is a decent(?) support. Sunder can maybe work as a frontline but only because of light baller.
Vunder is total dogshit
It's an ambush weapon, everything about the kit of the vanilla undercover brella screams this. I love using it.
@@zodiac3844 no
@@Lalapopsy @kay schut both of y’all scream < A+ to me, opinions on Vunder are restricted to those *that can actually aim*
I'm a sploosh-o-matic main and i saw it at the top of F tier
does anybody know what it's "outclassed" by? my guess would be the aerospray but i played a lot with it and it didn't really seem as good as the sploosh-o-matic so uh maybe
For Vsploosh its kit leaves it with too limited options in competitive play. Without map control you have no poking options and splashdown doesn't help retake. The kit is also on other weapons that can play around it better (roller) and sploosh itself has a really good with sploosh 7, that has a super dominant RM niche due to high DPS and mobility.
@@ProChara didn't think i'd actually get a responce, thanks for letting me know