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Are The Warriors The Greatest In NBA History? | First Take | June 13, 2017
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2017
- The First Take crew debate whether the Golden State Warriors are the greatest team in NBA history.
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When people gonna realize warriors didnt get kd to beat the cavs they already believed that they should have won , they got kd for 2 reasons: to take him out their way and to win multiple champions for the next 5 years
treyvone scott shut the fuck up dumb idiot they only beat the Cavs cause of KD
treyvone scott fuck you talking about they don't get KD they don't beat Cavs in 2017 get real nigga that's the main reason they went after durant foh
Andre They could have won bro they did it the yr before and the they had the best record in history bro ur the dumb one
Actually KD left the Thunder because they lost the championship. He saw the opportunity in the golden state warriors and took it
@@juniord.4077 i think its a bit of both , they literally had the cavs up 3-1 , i know they feel they should have one , the thing is both teams matched each other too equally so the warriors got KD to make the job easier , we all know they could have beat a healthy cavs team without KD but it wasnt a guarantee until they got KD , the point was to win as many rings as easy as they could
Max seems the most analytical of the three...you can't judge a team''s greatness across eras because of the rule changes and player evolution, you have to judge a team based off the conditions in which they won. The 95-96 Bulls are the GOAT team. If you put the 95-96 Bulls in this era and put GSW in that era....odds are the Bulls would still be as dominant and GSW would have to deal with handchecking and not getting ticky tack fouls called...Not to mention the lack of having a true big man down low would be a huge disadvantage.
ENB The warriors will annihilate all the teams before even with the old rules with their shooting ability. The spacing they create with that shooting just will be too much in whatever era they will play. Imagine Malone and Mutombo defending the 3point line.
Bottom line the Bulls couldn't keep up with the warriors their are to fast and they are all snipers and would wear them off and blow them out the water
Suzy some people can't see the bigger picture and I'm not even a warriors fan I'm just being realistic #gospursgo
The Warriors are a notoriously dirty team and play great Defense. We saw Pachulia and Green attack Westbrook every series against the Thunder, they even attacked Kawhi on the Spurs.
Dylan Cresswell I thought that kinda stuff was preached back then in the 90s NBA.
THIS warriors team is the greatest team ever assembled. They are almost impossible to stop!
😅😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
They cannot be stop, theys stop themselves
@@celebs302BS
man stephen a looks so sad since his mom passed doesn't even seem like he knows what's going on around him during points bless than man and his family
StationaryEclipse I Feel That
2 MVPs, 1 potential DPOY, 2 different finals MVP, 6 all stars, 3 time coach of the year. THE ANSWER IS YES
brandon Austin Ron Harper defense player of the year, MJ the current goat, Scottie Pippen, Dennis rodman and Luc longley. The answer is a definite no my friend. matchup wise is chaos and the bulls had a better bench
Abdullahi Salad ron harper never won DPOY but good try my friend A+ for effort
brandon Austin so what my mistake but still who would guard mj? Plus defensively the warriors would have so much trouble scoring
Abdullahi Salad trouble scoring? Dude do you realize the league has way more talent than it did back then? Better shooters, better athletes, better ball handlers
Better talent yes, but it was more physical back then as well. Despite that people like mj and pippen would still dominate
It's hard to call GSW the greatest team in the world when Zaza Pachulia had to take out Kawhi Leonard in order to sweep the Spurs... Plus the 2017 playoffs were terrible competitive-wise... Don't take the "Greatest team in the world" debate too far...
Get over it dude Warriors are the best team in the league and the 2017 NBA champion
its just one game
The 1995 Rockets won the Greatest Championship as a 6th seed
1st Round Beat Jazz 4-3 Stockton, Malone and Hornacek 3rd Seed
2nd Round Beat Suns 4-3 with Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Majerle 2nd Seed
3rd Round Beat Spurs 4-2 with MVP D Robinson and Dennis Rodman 1st Seed 60+ Win Team
NBA Finals Beat Magic 4-0 Swept Shaq, Penny, Horace, Nick, D Scott, the team that beat Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc in 6 games
Beat all these Amazing teams and never had home court advantage once in a single series
They ignored it but Max actually made an excellent point about comparing eras.
AND THATS WHY THIS ARUGMENT IS POINTLESSSSS
Just to get this in perspective.
2011 Mav 94.7 ppg Heat 92.3 ppg
2012 Heat 102.0 ppg Thunder 98.0 ppg
2013 Heat 97.0 ppg Spurs 97.7 ppg
2014 Spurs 105.6 ppg Heat 91.6 ppg
2015 Wars 100.7 ppg Cavs 93.5 ppg
2016 Cavs 100.4 ppg Wars 99.9 ppg
2017 Wars 121.6 ppg Cavs 114.8 ppg
Lebron upped his teams scoring from his last 7 championship appearances by 14 points and it wasn't enough because Durant added 20+ to the Warriors
1996 Bulls 93 ppg vs sonics 89 ppg
Wanna hear joke??
Cavs in 7 😂😂😂😂
My stomach hahahahahah
W
Fuck Everyone lol
Wanna hear another one 3-1
Bry. Lol we Indians probably more rich than you dumbass
They beat The Cavs without KD before..niggas were saying they were so good they didn't need KD this season 😂😂😂😂
Im guessing your a bandwagon since by your stupid comment "They beat the Cavs without KD before" you must hopped on the bandwagon in 2018 since in 2015 GS beat the Cavs without kyrie and love in which lebron shouldve won finals MVP but no they gave it to iguodala. before you make stupid comments get your facts straight.
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest they only won because Lebron was the only star of that team and he still took them to 6 games.
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest yes but LBJs second best and third best players were Dellavadova and Mozgovf
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest KD is the reason they won this year dumbass.. without him, there's still a series going on.
RDoT 11 Most definitely, Kevin was the ultimate difference maker, without him, I believe we'd be looking at a 3-2 series right now in favor of Cavs
Will looked & felt dumb af when Kellerman & Smith threw those facts out. That last question shut the convo down.
Will Caine is the young Skip Bayless
Simple answer no
Simple answer we will never know. Until someone manages to create a time machine and make them play other teams in history, it is literally impossible to tell.
GlentheChelseafan boy stfu
but according to the rest of the NBA the warriors are to over powered and the NBA is ruined
To Stephen A:
You can add Ron Harper.
If Jordan, Pippen, Rodman AND Ron Harper were guarding Draymond, Steph, Klay and KD.... Aille Aille Aile Aille Aille Maman au Secours !!!!
What you are seeing now is 6 Players of Dream Team USA if you add Livingstone. its no longer big 3 to win a championship these day, it takes 6 players with double figures as in points , rebounds , assists 5 plus steals and 60% accuracy to win a championship . That's how Warriors have swept the West and won this 2017 NBA Championship. They are the Dream team USA.
Yall are obsessed with Lebron, not even in the convo and yall still bring him in
cavs in 7
Good joke *lol* That was a good joke
Blas Gutierrez ...good snappy comeback, Blas! Bahahaha!
Warriors played tougher competition than the 96 bulls eh? Lets evaluate the Warriors competition for this year:
1st Round: Blazers (best players: Damian Lillard (Who's arguably one of the worst defenders at the pg position) and CJ McCollum. Literally an army of two. Swept in 4.)
Semi-Finals: Jazz (best players: Gordon Hayward (Possible he's leaving), Swept in 4)
WFC: Spurs (Best players: Would have been Kawhi but Zaza Pachulia happened, so now maybe Aldridge? (Idk to be honest). Nonetheless, Swept n 4)
Finals: Cavs (Best players: LeBron and whoever decides to show up Between Kyrie and Kevin Love. Lost in 5)
Now lets look at the Bulls competition from 96:
1st Round: Heat (Best players: Alonzo Mourning, Tim Hardaway. Swept in 3)
Semi-Finals: Knicks (Best players: Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason. Lost in 5)
ECF: Magic (Best players: Shaq, Penny, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott. Swept in 4) *Reminder, this was the same Magic team that took out Jordan the year before.
Finals: Sonics (Best players: Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Schrempf. Lost in 6)
96 Bulls played much better competition. Heck I can say Bird, Magic, Kobe, even Tim Duncan played better competition than the Warriors. So if anyone says they played competition as to why this is a greatest team, they're buggin. The warriors are a great team (Too great for this NBA), but until I see more rings in their hands, they're not the greatest team. And competition level is one of the worst reasons as to why they're "Great" as for now, there is no competition.
According to the ELO ratings (used in chess and many multiplayer games to rank the best player) the Warriors are the greatest team of all time. They managed to reach the highest ELO rating ever in the history of basketball BEFORE the finals even begun.
Bulls in 5 or 6. The 96 bulls. Ron matches up with curry. Scottie durant. Mike and uhhh.... klay i guess... realistically no one . Rodman draymond. Plus kukoc and kerr and shooters of the bench. Bulls would win.
Dante delabonna facts
Dante delabonna you sound so sure
they have nobody that can guard durant
It would be epic matchup and KD would get his but Pippen could guard Durant.
slow him down maybe
Cavs fans:
Lebron > KD
Kyrie > Curry
Tristan > Zaza
Love > Draymond
Also Cavs fans:
lmao warriors need a superteam just to beat Lebron, haha lebron is the GOAT, way better than MJ
Mungusoar Hugh well I'm not a Cavs fan but LeBron is better than KD and Tristan Thompson is better than pachulia
Mungusoar Hugh u leaving out
Iggy
Thompson
Livingston
Mcgee
Mccaw
LeBron>KD
Kyrie
vhmxd I just statin facts, cavs fans always say stuff like "LUL curry is overrated, kyrie is way better LUL kyrie best handles of all time LUL kyrie best PG in the NBA easy no competition" but then they also say "It's not fair!!!! they have curry who is 2x mvp and durant who is 1x mvp!!!!"
Mungusoar Hugh thats done as trash talk. If i was playing against lebron, everytime he miss a shot id say he was garbage. Doesnt make him garbage tho.
And only oprah side be doing that
harper, jordan, rodman, pippen.... it's going to be hard for the warriors to run anything since only kd is physically a tough matchup.
On iso definitely but they play using screens and picks all game. The bulls would need to switch off every possession from 1-3 even 4 with Draymond green. Any little separation can lead into a 3. The bulls will not be able to keep up with curry running around the court trying to get open while also having 2 other scoring threats from Klay and Kd. They can for sure lock 1 person down but they won’t be able to lock down everyone at the same time that’s for sure
Shortcut takers.
Anyone miss real old school basketball where you came in the paint and got robbed, cut, punch, and shot to get a shot off!
Even with today rules KD klay and steph get shut down by Jordan pipped and rodman faxx
Will Cain must be a Blazers/Jazz Fan, saying that those teams compare to all the teams Max listed off.
The Cavs main problem was defense, the 96 Bulls would've dominated these boys so bad everyone would have to cover their eyes.
Sociopathic Tendencies truth
they never had to guard three players who could pull from 35 ft. Its wayy easier to defend when all u gotta worry about is long twos lol
@@SamuelJ888 It’s also the fact that the Warriors don’t even play iso ball. If they were to have played iso ball, I do believe the bulls would win them in a 7 game series but they can’t. The warriors runs screens and picks every single possession and they run all over the court using off ball screens and what not. The bulls never went up against a team like the warriors did especially their shooting
You know nothing will Cain. Max is so right it's freaking scary. The 72-10 bulls the unstoppabulls!!!!
Warriors 73-9
Jesse Owens with modern sports science, now that's a scary as much as it would for Jim Thorpe or Jim Brown.
Multiple times I've heard the "players are bigger, stronger and more athletic" line in regards to discussing Warriors are the greatest team but are they that much more athletic than Jordan/Harper/Pippen/Rodman ? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jordan also have the highest vertical in NBA history? The statement is generally correct on the surface but within this context, I'm not buying it.
Yeah that whole theory is silly... Wilt in the 50's and 60's was stronger, just as fast and had more stamina than anyone playing today.
How come no one ever mentions Lebron palyed with 2 super stars along side him as the best player in the world during the 7 finals in a row? They act like he did it ALL. This is why Kyrie left.
- Jordan swept the Heat with Hardaway and Alonzo Morning.
- Shaq and Penny in 5 games who had 60 wins. Went to the Finals the year before.
- Seatle Super Sonics with 64 wins.
Yet people want to compare Lebron's eastern Conference with MJ's Eastern Conference.... PLEASE! LOL
Max point is the best one made
Will like SAS said doesn't know basketball
SAS like usual is speaking out of his ass
And max is actually giving reason and support for his claims.... excellent point when he said the difference between greatest and best also great point when he said that you can't judge the going against each other but going against their own era teams due to the change in how the game is played
They say that if Jesse Owens had better shoes and ran on the synthetic tracks today, he'd be faster than Usain. Also, there was a guy who consistently beat Owens, but got injured. Eulace Peacock. Google it.
Cavs in 7 years, I BELIEVE!!!! 😁😂😆
TBH the warriors team play like how NBA PRO Teams suppose to play, not in terms of building a super team but in terms of drafting players out of college and those college kids get good and become NBA stars increasing the competition. The competition sucks so much nowadays that you think a super team of this generation is the best of all time? Lol don't make me laugh.
The 80's and 90's are better.
Only the 80s
I'm o.k. with people who say "I don't enjoy Will as a guest, because I don't like his personality. He's not entertaining" . That is a perfectly valid opinion to have, but in all of Will's years of taking part in first take, I've always hated when people take him to task because "he doesn't know what he's talking about" This was a show, that for years starred the Tebow lover Skip Bayless, and Stephen A who got the finals wrong 6 years in a row. Oh but Will isn't welcome because he's wrong a lot
Yeah, remember that time Will predicted the NBA finals wrong 6 years in a row
old rules: 96' bulls would win because of their ability to dominate both ends of the court.
new rules: I would still take the bulls because it'll be tougher for both teams to play defense. Yeah, KD would be unguardable but so would jordan
What about draymond and Scottie one of the greatest help and man defenders
It's not KD's job/responsibility/obligation to make the league more "competitive." He had an opportunity in front of him to get the things he wants in life, and that's what EVERY MAN should do. When you pass on opportunities because of the wrong reasons (e.g., peer pressure, public opinion, etc.), then you're giving away the limited amount of power/control you have to direct your life where you want it to go. In other words, you lose in the game of life.
'95 - '96 Bulls, G.T.O.A.T Period.
Fax
how can we hate on the warriors with 4 all stars but praise the 80's Lakers? how can we hate on KD but praise Dennis rodman for joining a 3peat bulls? talk about hypocrisy
*GSW 4 - REFS 1*
FACTS
So much Hate for one team it's sickening.
Run Ronaldo Run #THEBESTINTHEWORLD stop it it's not sickening acting like a victim here
Not a Hater but the Bulls Are Better they play Phisicly, Warriors just crying to the ref
Good joke man
Dude, it's not that hard of a question.
96 Bulls are the greatest team and the BEST team of all time. they are the only team in history besides Spurs that can transcend every single era and dominate. Next, they have the greatest winning season WITH A CHAMPIONSHIP TO TOP IT OFF.
No other team can compete with the 96 Bulls.
Jordan would adapt to these rules easy and so would his team. They just had a different aura to them. Offensively for those 1996 Bulls they would be dropping so many points because there would be so much more space available to them. Defensively they would still take away space and suck in offensive plays because they're that good. You gotta remember this guys use to pick up guys from full court until they arrived to run their half court set. That resulted in the ball handler being tired and their sets being sloppy. Obviously they wouldn't pick up full court with these sets but them playing in a zone would suffix with their length and IQ.
Mc.Quain Promesse it annoys me when people say tgey kbow shit for certain when there is no proof. how do you know any of that shit? all hypocriticals
what is smith talking about? we sweep a team with Lebron and He still believes that we not a GOAT.
You're telling me ESPN is firing all these people and canceling shows, but Will Cain is still on first take? Smh
People always say "they would've locked down KD and steph!" Well you can't shut them down first of all they pull up and hit shots on perfectly played defense and second of all, have we not learned nothing from watching the finals and the NBA in general? There's nothing but screens and pick and rolls and ball movement to get switches and force a lot of rotations. It's not 1v1 ISO basketball
yes!! will cain!!
come on now they've won 2 championships in the pass 3 years so what makes them the greatest ever
The golden state warriors this year are the greatest team ever assembled for the type of basketball being play TODAY. Are they the greatest team ever probably not. Only time will tell. The thing is KD is different breed when it come to top players and steph curry revolutionized the game with his range and marksmanship. Greatest shooting back court of all time and offensive potential to come back and pull away is like nothing you have ever seen. I can't say for certain if the 96 bulls would win against this team but I can guarantee if all the shooters get hot they would blow the Bull out of the gym home or away, 90's rule or today's it don't matter. That is how lethal the golden state warriors are offensively.
Greatest NBA Teams:
1.80's Lakers
2. 80's Celtics
3. 80's Sixers
4. 90's Bulls
5. Duncan's Spurs
6. GS Warriors 2017
somewhere out there Varejao is crying. He was on either team and he still got no ring.
What is unique and compelling about the Golden State is that they do have THEE BEST 3 point shooters to be on one team in history.
And as far as 2018, they have two three point shooters on the same team competing for the all time record.
There has not been a Klay and Steph level long shooters duo on a team before. The record books stamp that as true.
Add Kevin Durant's offensive and defensive arsenal, then add Dramon Greens defensive arsenal (and his hidden offensive when needed skills), add unknown DeMarcus Cousins or to be seen skills ...... well there is ample info to say they are the best team ever in pure stats. I think they are but I'm not arguing who is the greatest team of all time, because really the evolution of basketball and sports training, the improvements in team psychology, better doctors and better trainers, the ability to get athletes back out on the floor sooner and the whole scouting and drafting has evolved and progressed. Not to mention the coaching all evolved to a higher level. Steve Kerr has to be commended for a brilliant five years. Golden State is the Best this year it ever has been, there is no happy we won now it's another teams turn attitude, they will go for it again.
But overall, we just cannot compare the old Minneapolis Lakers to any team now, their big man, Geroge Mikan, may not even make an NBA team in today's world.
that Bad Boys Pistons 😎
Top 5 teams ever
1 ) Russell Celtics
2 ) Kareem & Magic Lakers
3 ) Bird Celtics
4 ) Jordan Bulls
5 ) Shaq & Kobe Lakers / GSW
17 Warriors 13 Heat 14 spurs and 18 rockets are probably the teams of all time under today’s rules but if it’s old school rules where looking at something different
Old school ain’t gonna stop those teams from shooting.
I don’t take 18 rockets
I swear they've talked about this topic at least 5 times over the past 5 shows
Simple answer: we will never know. Until someone manages to create a time machine and make them play other teams in history, it is literally impossible to tell.
LeBron>KD
Curry>Kyrie
Klay>JR
Green>Love
TT>Zaza
Iggy>Any cavs bench player
Warriors bench>>>Cavs bench.
Not surprised.. 4-1 seems right.
I honestly feel like 2/3rds of the audience have no idea what the commentators are saying and just agreeing when the bring up GSW
Stephen A Smith with the personal shots smh.
I wonder how ESPN feels about SAS undermining MK's arguments with his feigned indifferent looks.
okay and if we're playing by todays rules MJ probably goes off for 45-50 a night and pippen gets 30 a night lmaoo lets be honest
Jesse Urena Pippen was garbage offensively lol avg 30 lmfao you don't know shit about that era and the bulls
in todays game I honestly think he would score A LOT MORE
Lebron and Durant averages 30, you really think Pippen is on their level scoring-wise?
This first take team is STACKED
Guys are bigger and faster now then 20 years ago- stop comparing
People will do anything make any complaint to take of the warriors greatness and I'm a lakers fan
Max had the best Argument. He coulda dropped the Mic and walked away!
Honestly, I do not think any of them could guard Durant.
grizz still dumb for trading kevin love
The Warriors should thank two players for their title:
1. Kevin Durant, For Making their season.
2. ZaZa Pachulia, For Saving their season.
Excuses
It's still the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls.
4:55 - Look like Will Cain is gonna come across the table at Stephen A. :-D
Funnie how 1 lost change everything? I bet if hey went 16-0 this debate would change
the only team in history of NBA that could've played and possibly beaten this era Warriors team is 2013 Miami Heat with Chris Bosh, DWADE, LeBron and RAY ALLEN. tHEY HAD THE SPEED AND FIREPOWER TO SERIOUS COMPETE. 96 BULLS DIDN'T HAVE THE SPEED TO COMPETE PLUS ONLY ONE GOOD OUTSIDE SHOOTER, WARRIORS WOULD'VE RAN THEM OFF THE FLOOR
The Jessie Owens argument is actually the worst one Max could've possibly used. And an example of the flawed "athletes today are better" narrative. There's a Ted Talk that shows how a bunch of geeks reconstructed Jessie's personal best in the 100 meters to see how he'd time with modern track conditions. Tracks back then were loose under your feet... gravelly. They say he would have finished 2'nd only to Bolt today, 1-2 strides off his record pace.
Point is that it's science that's evolved by leaps and bounds in short periods of time... certainly not humans.
Max was on point that 96 bulls team was perhaps the greatest basketball team ever assemble
They could be. Because let's not get overconfident. Never count chickens before they hatch.
"An episode of Star Trek". Steven A is a lord
so nobody gone talk about the SOS boys in the safety green hoodies??
71-72 bucks are the greatest team ever but yeah people ignore because its Milwaukee
Max made my head hurt from 0:00-2:40. He was all over the place.
So from max point dominate your competitors that means Bill Russell is the GOAT
how can you catch a ghost if ghost are not made of physical matter? these ghost chasers need to stick to watching ghost busters
max is right the competition is not as hard
Warriors are the goat 🐐 period
LAVS FANS ARE SO MAD 😡 IT TAKES KD TO WIN LOL LEBRON IS TGE BEST IN THE WORLD WITH ALL THE PLAYERS HE ASKED FIR HE CHOSED THEM SO TO BE HONEST YEAH WARRIORS ARE BETTER HAHA
Martin Garcia lavs?
He gave them the L they deserved
Martin Garcia mmm grammar please
Martin Garcia Are you 12? Can't spell bandwagons without gsw
Mr Gotham says the ex heat bandwagon
jordan on curry
pippen on thompson
rodman on durant
lol. getting bullied.
hahaha Stephen A's analogy with Star Trek is the best ever :D :D :D :D
Max Kellerman sounds like Tomi Lahren or the other way around. Whats the anger about lol
How does no hand checking rule only benefit the Warriors? The Bulls will fail to as many score points with no hand checking as with hand checking?
And the comparison with the Bulls is after they did that they got Shaq the next year.
i have to assume will cain was born at year 2000
Their big 4 stephen curry klay thompson draymond green and kevin durant
Don't let this distract you from the fact that THE NBA FINALS BLEW A 6-0 LEAD TO STEPHEN A SMITH
I don't believe in the old vs new concept always resulting in the new winning.
If you look at the cavs, they have everything to win a championship. And this warriors team almost swept them.