Trying to decide what I should do. I just bought the S5 for $1500 but it arrived defective meaning I need to return it. Should I trade to the S5 ii, is it worth spending %30 more?
not sure yet, currently waiting for the X modell but also for firmware updates just to see what panasonic can furhter improve here... i read that it still switches back to dfd in certain recording modes so atm im not sure if i might skip the S5 II and II x completely and wait for an S1 II wich hopefully will have some sort of 4k120 , i mean common, A7S3 came out literally years ago and has it and right now it looks to me like the S5 II cant handle it because its using the same old and quite slow sensor readout but yeah, like i said, curios to see what panasonic will update via firmware.
Great video... As an S5 owner, I think I need to remember that it's the same image! I absolutely love my S5, and Sam's S5 II walkthrough actually helped me learn a few techniques to use with the OG S5 - an absolute steal now the S5 II is out... I bought mine last year in the UK for £1k body only, and I was hyped!
It's actually not the same image. Outside of v-log, the picture profiles are arguably worse. BUT, the 6k open gate is incredible and I've been having a ton of fun with it
@@jayjayjaythebrand I received my S5 ii last friday and that is the least that can be said! Open gate and 5,9k are better yes but not as good as the S1 because there is details filtering in low light .I had already seen some examples before buying the S5 ii but it was even worse when I've compared the camera myself with my S1. I don't know if I must return the camera, I love love the new stabilization and the new autofocus but the IQ is not as good as the S1.
@@jayjayjaythebrand Right, Cine-D's tests have shown that the S5 has (slightly) better IQ than the S5II in most cases. But I'm 100% with you that the new features & quality of life upgrades are worth it for me. I went from S5 to an X-T4, and just now bought the S5II. This is coming from a solo filmmaker perspective, where I'm sometimes having to run multiple angles by myself. The S5 original is still an amazing camera, especially at the price point. Things are looking up for Panasonic and L-mount.
@@ywmedia Cine-D review only tested V-Log, they said the S5 has slightly better quality yes but I don't see a difference between these cameras in V-Log. However the difference with the other profiles are huge. Yes the S5 (and S1) is still a great camera !
I bought the S5 about a month before the Mark 2 was announced. The deals were too good to pass up and I wasn’t bothered by the autofocus. I just wanted a nice low light camera to go with my G9. I love Lumix cameras and don’t care to change to other brands.
I copped an s5 last month and got the kit lens, 50mm and 85mm for 1.6k- absolute steal. As much as part of me wishes I’d waited I would have spent more and think I made a good call
i got the s5 for £1400 with 20-60 and 50mm and i honestly think that it cant be beat for that price. The only thing that slightly annoyed me when the mark 2 released was the autofocus however i feel like it isnt too bad anyway as long as the settings are setup.
I absolutely did, replaced the S5, and sold ALL my Sony stuff. One system FTW! Now to whistle and see if Tamron starts making L-mount stuff. Autofocus could do with a few firmware updates at least for photography. Small foreground objects can still be missed by the system in photo mode, mainly AF-S.
After all, it’s the first iteration of this new system , so it’s only going to get better! The L-Mount system is now the most viable option for so many reasons I think :)
Got S5 recently, and will definitely watch your other videos. Also for sure S5 is staying with me for some time before upgrading. I’ve been using Canon 6D last 7 years so for me S5 is an upgrade
Had a S1 for a year. Beast of a camera but found it to be too bulky for my non-professional use. Sold it and just picked up a S5 body in mint condition for £750. Can't beat that. Paired with TTArtisan lenses it'll be a fun low cost setup.
yes autofocus problem is a fake problem ... or maybe for those who do sport shout fast video ... but if not the AF is very good... no need to upgrade for those who are in picture only, maybe video ... but many who use video are in MANUAL anyway they dont use AF.
I kind of just “fell into” an S5 w/ Sigma 45mm f2.8 and a shutter count of 0 for $1000 with all the original packaging. I’m a Canon guy (APS-C rebel & 70D), but this is my first full frame that isn’t an old manual film camera (Canon F-1) so now have a whole slew of terminology I’ve never dealt with before I get to learn. (Example: I’ve never heard of “shutter angle” before) Admittedly, I’d never even heard of the S5 till I stumbled across this “used” camera. Couple of hours of furious reading and I learned all I needed to pull the trigger. Looking forward to learning all the things.
2:40 has anyone had issues with the ninja? I’ve been using the WD Blue recommended drives and the kondor Gerald undone cable, yet in nearly ANY recording setting, the ninja will stop within a few seconds :,(
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The phase + contrast autofocus system is activated only and exclusively in 4k crop mode, in full frame fhd 50p or 100p mode the phase system is not activated. try to believe this is a very serious thing
As someone who only points the camera away from me, the S5 works fine. I own numerous vintage lenses that offer a less clinical rendering for video, and contrast AF is plenty snappy enough for stills. Also, some deals have meant the S5 is almost half the launch price of the Mk II when extra lenses, grips and batteries are taken into account. That said, when prices settle down (my S5 was significantly cheaper than at launch a few months earlier) phase detect AF is clearly the way forward for L-mount and vlogging.
I think Lumix have smashed it out of the park with this release. They’ve fixed all of the issues that everyone complained about with this system, and I do think that eventually all Lumix shooters will be using the new gen stuff. BUT I still think the S5 has a lot of life left in it and shouldn’t be disregarded!
Thanks for the advice -- you've just convinced me to buy the original s5. It looks like all those arguments from 4 years ago about avoiding the L-mount due to the lack of lenses is no longer true
The L-Mount is now one of the most comprehensive systems out there I think. If you add up all the lenses available from Lumix, Sigma, Leica etc, there's so many to choose from :) Thanks for watching!
Not sure if you’ve seen the CineD lab tests on the S5ii? Might sway some video purists to stick with the S5 or the S1/S1H. It’s minor, but seems that the image processing just isn’t quite as good on the S5ii and there is some added sharpening/processing going on. That said I can’t imagine it will ever be noticeable for most people. I’m suddenly considering a used S1 as I’ve been shooting a lot of multi aspect ratio content recently which has been driving me a bit crazy, ha, and I’d like the option of 6K open gate.
Per the B&H website: 6K and 4K Video Recording In addition to stills, the S5 IIX sports highly capable video recording assets. Full-frame 6K30p recording with 4:2:0 10-bit color can be captured for up to 30 minutes, while unlimited video recording is possible when filming in DCI and UHD 4K60p 4:2:2 10-bit mode. The camera supports 120p video capture for videographers who want to create high-resolution slow-motion video, and RAW HDMI output is possible via an optional license upgrade. Do you have to upgrade the 5S IIX to be able to record in ProRes RAW via the HDMI?
If you don't need AF, it's clearly a downgrade. Most PP are much worse on the S5II, less details and more sharpening. Using V-Log is the only way to get good quality. But I still prefer V-Log from the S5 and S1.
The S5 has better PP than the S5II, I was shocked to see the difference, there are some areas with no details in 4K with the PP I use, I don't know if it's because of the new PDAF.
I think I’m gonna upgrade to the s5 mk1 from the zve10. Unless they release the a6700 and it’s an fx30 with a viewfinder (it probably won’t be or it’ll overheat or something knowing Sony)
@@CartyCantDance You guessed it right, the a6700 has everything you mentioned but it overheats super quickly which is basically a gamble for videographers.
Love my S5, still no compelling reason to upgrade even after the new v3.0/v2.0 upgrade for the S5ii/IIX. I've spent years perfecting my manual focus focus pulls from the GH4 on up to the S series full frame. Running in MF with excellent follow focus setup, I an assure 100% focus results every single time with no pulsing. For those that know the 6K Photo hack, both 3:2 open gate (5183x3456) and 4:3 open gate modes (4992x3744) are possible, although 15 minute limits and H.265 200Mbps bitrate. I already own an Atomos Ninja V plus Atomos Connect, so Camera-to-Cloud I have that and more proxies choices than even the S5 IIX. Also the S5 II (with RAW license) and the S5 IIX do not offer any newer RAW modes than the OG S5. With my gimbal, the new electronic stabilization is also not a need. Granted, the S5IIX can do a lot more with less weight, but I already own all this kit and it's fully paid for. Bring on the S1H II with 8K and 50MP sensor with very low rolling shutter and I'll be interested.
thank you for your review. what about the features, the new S5ii has not longer? 😢i miss the precapture, live-composite and starry-af which i really enjoyed!
I have a lumix G9 and ready to go full frame. I wanted the s5 for years but now that the s5 two is out im still undecided because the s5 has so many deals going on right now.
Yeah, making video content it, makes absolute sense for me to buy an s5iix for autofocus. Especially being a one person show. It gives me way more opportunities for shots I couldn’t get otherwise… and I literally just bought an s1 like 6 months ago 😂🤦♂️
Rather than swapping my S5, I've opted to get the S5II as a replacement for my OM-1 instead, as now I believe it will actually be a viable wildlife camera 😄 I'm keeping my first-gen S5 as my vlogging camera for now, but I did order the S5II with the 14-28mm lens as it means I can stick it on the S5 and then run the S5 in 50p mode and have significantly better AF on it (think it works out to 21mm with the crop). The S5 is a great camera and a bargain if you don't need perfect continuous AF.
For someone who doesn't record video, but only shoots photography (my daughter running around and i wanna keep her on focus). is there a big difference?
The s5 does have a 6k mode that I believe is open gate but (and it’s really huge but) it’s only for 30seconds with no audio. If you use the 6K burst mode with vlog as the picture profile you can get a 6K mp4. However it is an mp4 and you do have to hold the shutter like you’re taking burst photos. Again it’s not that great but always worth knowing.
No open gate for the S5. There is a crop. I returned the S5II because the image quality is not as good as the S5 with the PP I use. 6K is better but I don't need it.
@@JoshCameron ahhh! Makes sense! Probably why there isn't a wash of info on stills side. Hopefully Adobe sort that soon, you can convert to DNG/TIFF but its an extra step.
Great Channel Josh, you have a new supporter, your explanation of every topic is very precise. The S5 II so far is an amazing camera, the only negative thing is that softwares like photoshop or lightroom don’t support the Raw files for this camera yet (RW2), so to add it to a professional enviroment for a photographer might me a problem for now. Let me know your throughts.
Hey Alessio - thank you for the kind words, really appreciate it! It's so annoying I know... Just waiting for Adobe to release the update that allows these files to be read. Hopefully won't be too much longer now, but it truly is a pain
I dont have neither of them. But I want to buy one of them this week. Mostly I want to record private and business videos. And maybe some stills. The biggest concern I have is the autofocus on the s5. I will be using the ef adapter mc-21 for sure, to be able to reuse old lenses. And I know, the autofocus on the s5II is performing much better on that setup. Another thing I'd like to try is the athos ninja v. And I know the s5II is not compatible. So now: will it kill my shots using a slow autofocus? Please give me advice gentle men.
Great video as usual Josh 👍 I use my 9 year old DSLR and pixel 6 for hybrid work. My work is predominantly social media content, so its very often very fast and very little planning involved. So having good AF will enable me to grab clips ( especially people interacting) that I wouldn't be able to get by manually focusing. Im a bit puzzled why people say professional videographers dont use AF.
For that use case it's defo worthwhile. I think MF is just more trustworthy for paid gigs, and although I've now started to use AF on some of my paid shoots, I still do like to switch to manual focus as I feel like I ultimately have more control over my shot :)
@JoshCameron I'm hoping for a better hit rate on moving subjects really. The DFD was fantastic in Single Point AF scenarios but caused me issues when subject tracking.
I'm not upgrading although I would like to try the autofocus upgrade on the s5II :) but the s5 has never missed a shot for me? and locks on perfect for video also. its the best camera I've ever owned, Amazing! . I may buy one when the s5 croaks it :/ but I'm sure I will be waiting a long while for that. its well made you know ;)
i do shoot solo so autofocus would bice but after spendig time tiwht the camera iv leanred to live with it and how to shoot a hybrid of Manual and auto
I have both and I'm shocked at how so many reviews say the image is the same. The orignial S5 has some clear differences. The color is totally different. I can tell right away this was shot on the S5ii as it has much more yellow and green tones vs the S5. I have the S5, the S1, and the S1ii. It's not a dealbreaker by any means, but it seems weird that it isn't pointed out more. I mean this comparison shows it clear as day - ruclips.net/video/cp7NY1njb50/видео.html&ab_channel=CameraOfChoice Also some minor points are there, like HLG is MUCH more sharpened in camera on the S5ii than the S5. Reducing sharpen to -5 vs 0 on the orignal S5 definitely helps.
Love my S1 but definitely plan on upgrading. Was thinking of switching to the S5 for a while to save some space & weight but the new AF pretty much seals the deal. Hoping that maybe by the time I switch maybe there will be a bundle deal so I can pick up another prime when I do.
Personally have no need to upgrade right now. If I did upgrade it would most definitely be for the X version, but I would likely keep my S5 as a backup or B cam.
Hi Josh, quick question (if you dont mind): It looks like the viewfinder on the mk2 is longer. Does this result in a more comfortable shooting experience? As a left eye photographer, my nose is constantly rubbing on the AF selector. I did try to get better eyecups, but the one available is hard plastic. Would be a great reason to upgrade! Either that, or I need my nose shortened. Cheers!
I will stick with my s5 for now, but maybe one day I'll upgrade to the s5iiX. Great video BTW. And is the 'secret' lens on your insta possibly a 135mm f1.8? That's my guess.
I currently have an S1H and S5. It seems like the S1H could be swapped out for the S5ii, gain some solid autofocus, and probably make a few bucks. What do you think? Thanks.
Nicely made guidance video as always. Thanks again. I am also one of those that purchased an S5 last year on sale with the 85mm lens and have zero regrets. I do have one clarification question..doesn’t the original s5 have 6k internal but limited to 15 mins? I know it’s a kinda back door hack but it works really well when 6k is needed.
@@aylenstudios ruclips.net/video/F4f_IwbsVtE/видео.html Check this video. I tried it and was pleasantly surprised. What I believe it’s actually doing is stitching 30 6k images per second that can be extracted as a high quality photo but can be pulled as a 6k video. But the caveat is it’s 15 minutes time limit. But, hey, it’s still real impressive and useable.
Nice review! I am thinking of upgrading from Canon M50 to Lumix S5ii for talking head videos. Does Lumix brand cameras depreciate at a faster rate when compared with Canon or Sony?
I've not heard of that issue before, could you explain more of what's happening please? What happens past 1/2000 of a second exactly? Would love to help if I can!
@@JoshCameron Hello, basically above shutter speeds of 1/2000 on mech shutter I get dim to black photos. Flip to electronic shutter and all is fine. The mech shutter is supposed to be 1/8000 max….it may have started that way, but not anymore. Thx.
I would not call this an 'upgrade'. You just have to buy a new camera at the full price. Would be a real upgrade if Panasonic gave a decent rebate to owners of the S5.
Thanks for your video. Is there any scenario in which S5 is limited due to its mini HDMI port? I mean, would they both perform identically in terms of HDMI connection in different scenarios, if S5 had a full-HDMI-to-mini adapter? Thanks
The Micro HDMI is just less resistant to bashes and any other thing that may happen on set. Full Size HDMI is superior but you'll get the same performance either way :)
Been doing quite some "talking head" shoots which are perfect with the S5 but I often have to shoot some B-roll where I just wish I could shoot with auto-focus and without a gimbal... which currently sucks with the S5. Would the S5 II be worth it in that case or is it still meh?
NOTE to 1080 50\60 users !!! no PDAF... only DFD. Hey all, There have been a surprising number of questions regarding PDAF utilization when shooting FHD. This is the info that I have directly from Lumix that I can share. I know nothing else at the time: 1.) FHD with Full Image Area switches to Contrast DFD for 50/60p only. 2.) FHD with Full Image Area in 24,25,30p are all using PDAF. (Sorry, I told someone otherwise recently, but this is the correct ifno). 3.) All other image area options (Pixel / Pixel and APS-C) in FHD are PDAF at all 24,25,30,60p. 4.) No matter what the image area is, anything over 60fps uses DFD. 4.) When shooting in any of the 6K resolutions (16x9, 17:9, 3:2 etc) - PDAF is always used. When HDMI is plugged in, Subject Detection is lost, however. This doesn't mean that you can't get good results tracking things / people in 6K with HDMI plugged in though. You could, for example, set it to 1-Area, make the AF Area medium sized and in the center, and then keep your subject in the center. I haven't experimented with this, but I'd like to!
@@Toft64 It's really better to not have an anti-aliasing filter, since nowadays moiré can be dealt with in post, and you just end up with a sharper image.
It's always best to have the latest tech, but the S5 can be had for so cheap now that you can invest in some decent lenses to go with it instead of getting the S5ii!
Upgrade your TV with higher Nits instead then you will get more out of your S5 in HDR10 its not the cameras that limits the HDR impact its the TVs. everyone shoots in HDR10 with their S5 right or am i the only one ;)?
Not yet - Adobe are being slow as always. I genuinely dislike Adobe with a passion... It's annoying that the whole industry is tied in with them so much
To be honest these days I see The Panasonic S5 Mark 1 as a full frame version of all of Panasonic Mid Range MIcro Four Thirds Camera's that only shot 8 bit 4K. As the Panasonic S5 Mark 1 has unlimited recording time limit in 8 bit 4K
Josh, I noticed that in s5 ii the 1080p full frame 50fps recording the autofocus will become unstable and as slow as s5, do you think the firmware upgrade solved this problem?
@@JoshCameron I don’t regret it at all! That said, I will be buying the Mark II x when it releases so I can can two camera bodies for multi cam shoots and that sweet sweet phase detect for run and gun
The S5 II will be great if you want to hand the camera to your friend to take videos of you. Even if he is not a good videographer you know things will be in focus. I have the S5 I and I like that I will learn on it and maybe it will force me to adapt and understand how focusing works so that if and when I get a second body I will reap all the benefits it provides. In addition I am really curious what the S1 II will be. If it offers a flip out screen and a better sensor and processor for 500$ more - maybe this will be my second body. The good thing for S5 I owners is that they can wait. They still have an amazing camera!
Will you guys be upgrading from your Lumix S5 to the S5ii? Or even the S5iix?! Let me know!
Trying to decide what I should do.
I just bought the S5 for $1500 but it arrived defective meaning I need to return it.
Should I trade to the S5 ii, is it worth spending %30 more?
In your case dude, if you have to send back your S5 anyways, then defo spend that 30% more :)
@@JoshCameron Thanks man
Nope.....If I add a third body I'll get the s52x but for now the 2 s5's are perfect for me
not sure yet, currently waiting for the X modell but also for firmware updates just to see what panasonic can furhter improve here... i read that it still switches back to dfd in certain recording modes so atm im not sure if i might skip the S5 II and II x completely and wait for an S1 II wich hopefully will have some sort of 4k120 , i mean common, A7S3 came out literally years ago and has it and right now it looks to me like the S5 II cant handle it because its using the same old and quite slow sensor readout but yeah, like i said, curios to see what panasonic will update via firmware.
The S5 is a keeper for now
Worth it in my opinion. C4K 422 10 bit across the board. Auto focus ❤❤❤
Great video... As an S5 owner, I think I need to remember that it's the same image! I absolutely love my S5, and Sam's S5 II walkthrough actually helped me learn a few techniques to use with the OG S5 - an absolute steal now the S5 II is out... I bought mine last year in the UK for £1k body only, and I was hyped!
It's actually not the same image. Outside of v-log, the picture profiles are arguably worse. BUT, the 6k open gate is incredible and I've been having a ton of fun with it
@@jayjayjaythebrand I received my S5 ii last friday and that is the least that can be said! Open gate and 5,9k are better yes but not as good as the S1 because there is details filtering in low light .I had already seen some examples before buying the S5 ii but it was even worse when I've compared the camera myself with my S1. I don't know if I must return the camera, I love love the new stabilization and the new autofocus but the IQ is not as good as the S1.
@@jayjayjaythebrand Right, Cine-D's tests have shown that the S5 has (slightly) better IQ than the S5II in most cases. But I'm 100% with you that the new features & quality of life upgrades are worth it for me. I went from S5 to an X-T4, and just now bought the S5II. This is coming from a solo filmmaker perspective, where I'm sometimes having to run multiple angles by myself.
The S5 original is still an amazing camera, especially at the price point. Things are looking up for Panasonic and L-mount.
@@catattackcat8754 may be you have to wait for the firmware update
@@ywmedia Cine-D review only tested V-Log, they said the S5 has slightly better quality yes but I don't see a difference between these cameras in V-Log. However the difference with the other profiles are huge.
Yes the S5 (and S1) is still a great camera !
I bought the S5 about a month before the Mark 2 was announced. The deals were too good to pass up and I wasn’t bothered by the autofocus. I just wanted a nice low light camera to go with my G9. I love Lumix cameras and don’t care to change to other brands.
The S5 is a big step up for dynamic range and general image quality right?! 🙏🏼
I copped an s5 last month and got the kit lens, 50mm and 85mm for 1.6k- absolute steal. As much as part of me wishes I’d waited I would have spent more and think I made a good call
Amazing deal! 3 lenses and a FF camera with cutting edge features for 1.6K is just craaaazy
i got the s5 for £1400 with 20-60 and 50mm and i honestly think that it cant be beat for that price. The only thing that slightly annoyed me when the mark 2 released was the autofocus however i feel like it isnt too bad anyway as long as the settings are setup.
Great deal! Wish those deals were around when I first invested in the L-Mount system!
Where did you get that deal from? Lowest I can see is 900gbp body only
@@flmks just after christmas there was a almost half price sale on amazon with an additional £200 voucher
@@natteper5824 same here it was great
Please help me on my lumix S1 when I try to change ss/Gain operation (its grayed out) it says this menu item cant be set
I absolutely did, replaced the S5, and sold ALL my Sony stuff. One system FTW! Now to whistle and see if Tamron starts making L-mount stuff. Autofocus could do with a few firmware updates at least for photography. Small foreground objects can still be missed by the system in photo mode, mainly AF-S.
After all, it’s the first iteration of this new system , so it’s only going to get better! The L-Mount system is now the most viable option for so many reasons I think :)
Got S5 recently, and will definitely watch your other videos. Also for sure S5 is staying with me for some time before upgrading. I’ve been using Canon 6D last 7 years so for me S5 is an upgrade
Had a S1 for a year. Beast of a camera but found it to be too bulky for my non-professional use. Sold it and just picked up a S5 body in mint condition for £750. Can't beat that.
Paired with TTArtisan lenses it'll be a fun low cost setup.
For me and plane spotting the s5 is perfect! I don’t have many focus auto problems at all.
yes autofocus problem is a fake problem ... or maybe for those who do sport shout fast video ... but if not the AF is very good... no need to upgrade for those who are in picture only, maybe video ... but many who use video are in MANUAL anyway they dont use AF.
I kind of just “fell into” an S5 w/ Sigma 45mm f2.8 and a shutter count of 0 for $1000 with all the original packaging. I’m a Canon guy (APS-C rebel & 70D), but this is my first full frame that isn’t an old manual film camera (Canon F-1) so now have a whole slew of terminology I’ve never dealt with before I get to learn. (Example: I’ve never heard of “shutter angle” before) Admittedly, I’d never even heard of the S5 till I stumbled across this “used” camera. Couple of hours of furious reading and I learned all I needed to pull the trigger.
Looking forward to learning all the things.
This is the video i needed to hear. Stops my GAS. Thanks Josh!!
2:40 has anyone had issues with the ninja? I’ve been using the WD Blue recommended drives and the kondor Gerald undone cable, yet in nearly ANY recording setting, the ninja will stop within a few seconds :,(
I’ve watched a few of your videos this evening and I’m trying to figure out the best jump from my a6300 setups with my budget and you massively helped me with all your videos I’ve watched SO FAR….. thank you for the great videos. New sub ✌🏻
The phase + contrast autofocus system is activated only and exclusively in 4k crop mode, in full frame fhd 50p or 100p mode the phase system is not activated. try to believe this is a very serious thing
As someone who only points the camera away from me, the S5 works fine. I own numerous vintage lenses that offer a less clinical rendering for video, and contrast AF is plenty snappy enough for stills. Also, some deals have meant the S5 is almost half the launch price of the Mk II when extra lenses, grips and batteries are taken into account. That said, when prices settle down (my S5 was significantly cheaper than at launch a few months earlier) phase detect AF is clearly the way forward for L-mount and vlogging.
I think Lumix have smashed it out of the park with this release. They’ve fixed all of the issues that everyone complained about with this system, and I do think that eventually all Lumix shooters will be using the new gen stuff. BUT I still think the S5 has a lot of life left in it and shouldn’t be disregarded!
Can you share which vintage lenses you are using for video?
@@Desuetus Too many to list I'm afraid. 3-element lenses are among my favourites.
Thanks for the advice -- you've just convinced me to buy the original s5. It looks like all those arguments from 4 years ago about avoiding the L-mount due to the lack of lenses is no longer true
The L-Mount is now one of the most comprehensive systems out there I think. If you add up all the lenses available from Lumix, Sigma, Leica etc, there's so many to choose from :) Thanks for watching!
Not sure if you’ve seen the CineD lab tests on the S5ii? Might sway some video purists to stick with the S5 or the S1/S1H. It’s minor, but seems that the image processing just isn’t quite as good on the S5ii and there is some added sharpening/processing going on. That said I can’t imagine it will ever be noticeable for most people. I’m suddenly considering a used S1 as I’ve been shooting a lot of multi aspect ratio content recently which has been driving me a bit crazy, ha, and I’d like the option of 6K open gate.
Per the B&H website:
6K and 4K Video Recording
In addition to stills, the S5 IIX sports highly capable video recording assets. Full-frame 6K30p recording with 4:2:0 10-bit color can be captured for up to 30 minutes, while unlimited video recording is possible when filming in DCI and UHD 4K60p 4:2:2 10-bit mode. The camera supports 120p video capture for videographers who want to create high-resolution slow-motion video, and RAW HDMI output is possible via an optional license upgrade.
Do you have to upgrade the 5S IIX to be able to record in ProRes RAW via the HDMI?
If you don't need AF, it's clearly a downgrade. Most PP are much worse on the S5II, less details and more sharpening. Using V-Log is the only way to get good quality. But I still prefer V-Log from the S5 and S1.
Just bought the S5 ii but I have decided to keep the S5, it's such a good camera I don't want to let it go.
That’s my current setup - S5ii and S5 (plus S1 when I need it!)
The S5 has better PP than the S5II, I was shocked to see the difference, there are some areas with no details in 4K with the PP I use, I don't know if it's because of the new PDAF.
Thanks for this, I’m sticking with my sony zv-e10
I think I’m gonna upgrade to the s5 mk1 from the zve10. Unless they release the a6700 and it’s an fx30 with a viewfinder (it probably won’t be or it’ll overheat or something knowing Sony)
@@CartyCantDance You guessed it right, the a6700 has everything you mentioned but it overheats super quickly which is basically a gamble for videographers.
@@plammenn888 I got the lumix s5ii. No regrets, Sony’s overheating issues are insane
I upgraded. S5 autofocus ruined a few shots on my summer hiking trips.
Love my S5, still no compelling reason to upgrade even after the new v3.0/v2.0 upgrade for the S5ii/IIX. I've spent years perfecting my manual focus focus pulls from the GH4 on up to the S series full frame. Running in MF with excellent follow focus setup, I an assure 100% focus results every single time with no pulsing. For those that know the 6K Photo hack, both 3:2 open gate (5183x3456) and 4:3 open gate modes (4992x3744) are possible, although 15 minute limits and H.265 200Mbps bitrate. I already own an Atomos Ninja V plus Atomos Connect, so Camera-to-Cloud I have that and more proxies choices than even the S5 IIX. Also the S5 II (with RAW license) and the S5 IIX do not offer any newer RAW modes than the OG S5. With my gimbal, the new electronic stabilization is also not a need. Granted, the S5IIX can do a lot more with less weight, but I already own all this kit and it's fully paid for. Bring on the S1H II with 8K and 50MP sensor with very low rolling shutter and I'll be interested.
Been waiting on mine since Monday! UPS hasn't been able to deliver due to ice here in Texas. Hoping it comes today!
Hope you like it dude!
thank you for your review. what about the features, the new S5ii has not longer? 😢i miss the precapture, live-composite and starry-af which i really enjoyed!
Great vid bro! I just purchased the S5 as I got a free 50mm lens with it.
Thanks that helped. I probably won't be shooting over 30 minutes or 6k, ill stick to OG, but unless gyro is better on 2
I have a lumix G9 and ready to go full frame. I wanted the s5 for years but now that the s5 two is out im still undecided because the s5 has so many deals going on right now.
The S5 is such steal at the moment, I think it’s the perfect step up from M43 !
Yeah, making video content it, makes absolute sense for me to buy an s5iix for autofocus. Especially being a one person show. It gives me way more opportunities for shots I couldn’t get otherwise… and I literally just bought an s1 like 6 months ago 😂🤦♂️
So for your use case then it is worthwhile! Just tryna help everyone out here as a few people are on the fence :)
@@JoshCameron thank you 🙏
I've pre-ordered S5 II X because who doesn't want a sexy blackout model? Relegate regular S5 to B-cam and get the best of both worlds.
Great video but I was missing one thing: the better Ibis. Actually one major reason why I am switching
Rather than swapping my S5, I've opted to get the S5II as a replacement for my OM-1 instead, as now I believe it will actually be a viable wildlife camera 😄 I'm keeping my first-gen S5 as my vlogging camera for now, but I did order the S5II with the 14-28mm lens as it means I can stick it on the S5 and then run the S5 in 50p mode and have significantly better AF on it (think it works out to 21mm with the crop). The S5 is a great camera and a bargain if you don't need perfect continuous AF.
Sounds like a great setup dude; thanks for watching 🙏🏼
For someone who doesn't record video, but only shoots photography (my daughter running around and i wanna keep her on focus). is there a big difference?
So so great. I am waiting for the Lumix S5 II X 😍
Can’t wait for the S5iix!
@@JoshCameron 😍😍😍
The s5 does have a 6k mode that I believe is open gate but (and it’s really huge but) it’s only for 30seconds with no audio. If you use the 6K burst mode with vlog as the picture profile you can get a 6K mp4. However it is an mp4 and you do have to hold the shutter like you’re taking burst photos. Again it’s not that great but always worth knowing.
The 6K photo mode is the “hack” to get it , but as you said , it has some noticeable limitations :)
No open gate for the S5. There is a crop. I returned the S5II because the image quality is not as good as the S5 with the PP I use. 6K is better but I don't need it.
Hi Josh, great vid, hell yes totally agree S5 is still amazing.
What about for stills/hybrid shooting?
I still use the S5 mainly for stills, but that’s because the S5ii RAWS still aren’t readable on LR!
@@JoshCameron ahhh! Makes sense! Probably why there isn't a wash of info on stills side. Hopefully Adobe sort that soon, you can convert to DNG/TIFF but its an extra step.
For photography this new focus system makes a big difference?
THIS IS THE VIDEO I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE NEW S5!!!1!11!!
Glad it was useful 🙏🏼
Great Channel Josh, you have a new supporter, your explanation of every topic is very precise. The S5 II so far is an amazing camera, the only negative thing is that softwares like photoshop or lightroom don’t support the Raw files for this camera yet (RW2), so to add it to a professional enviroment for a photographer might me a problem for now. Let me know your throughts.
Hey Alessio - thank you for the kind words, really appreciate it!
It's so annoying I know... Just waiting for Adobe to release the update that allows these files to be read. Hopefully won't be too much longer now, but it truly is a pain
I dont have neither of them. But I want to buy one of them this week. Mostly I want to record private and business videos. And maybe some stills. The biggest concern I have is the autofocus on the s5. I will be using the ef adapter mc-21 for sure, to be able to reuse old lenses. And I know, the autofocus on the s5II is performing much better on that setup. Another thing I'd like to try is the athos ninja v. And I know the s5II is not compatible. So now: will it kill my shots using a slow autofocus? Please give me advice gentle men.
Hi @josh
Do you know if the autofocus on the S5II works also with canon lenses including the sigma adapter?
Great video as usual Josh 👍
I use my 9 year old DSLR and pixel 6 for hybrid work. My work is predominantly social media content, so its very often very fast and very little planning involved. So having good AF will enable me to grab clips ( especially people interacting) that I wouldn't be able to get by manually focusing. Im a bit puzzled why people say professional videographers dont use AF.
For that use case it's defo worthwhile. I think MF is just more trustworthy for paid gigs, and although I've now started to use AF on some of my paid shoots, I still do like to switch to manual focus as I feel like I ultimately have more control over my shot :)
I'm adding an S5ii body simply for the improved autofocus for my wildlife and gig photography.
Contrast Detect actually has some pluses for stills shooting. PDAF's real strengths come in play for video :)
@JoshCameron I'm hoping for a better hit rate on moving subjects really. The DFD was fantastic in Single Point AF scenarios but caused me issues when subject tracking.
I'm not upgrading although I would like to try the autofocus upgrade on the s5II :) but the s5 has never missed a shot for me? and locks on perfect for video also. its the best camera I've ever owned, Amazing! . I may buy one when the s5 croaks it :/ but I'm sure I will be waiting a long while for that. its well made you know ;)
If the S5 suits your needs then defo don’t upgrade! Spend that cash on new lenses 🙏🏼
i do shoot solo so autofocus would bice but after spendig time tiwht the camera iv leanred to live with it and how to shoot a hybrid of Manual and auto
Hello! is it possible to use a S5ii cage on a S5i body? I'm having a hard time to find a S5i cage .. thanks!
I have both and I'm shocked at how so many reviews say the image is the same. The orignial S5 has some clear differences. The color is totally different. I can tell right away this was shot on the S5ii as it has much more yellow and green tones vs the S5. I have the S5, the S1, and the S1ii. It's not a dealbreaker by any means, but it seems weird that it isn't pointed out more. I mean this comparison shows it clear as day - ruclips.net/video/cp7NY1njb50/видео.html&ab_channel=CameraOfChoice
Also some minor points are there, like HLG is MUCH more sharpened in camera on the S5ii than the S5. Reducing sharpen to -5 vs 0 on the orignal S5 definitely helps.
Also most people seem to forget: when you're a photographer who doesn't shoot fast moving subjects, DFD is most probably enough.
what's the biggest size sd cards the s5ii can take. 128, 256 , or a 512?
I don't have either one yet but plan to get one. I'm thinking it's worth saving the little money and just go with the og S5. I'm on the fence.....
don't get any of them, their picture and video quality is poor my I phone is more clear.
Love my S1 but definitely plan on upgrading. Was thinking of switching to the S5 for a while to save some space & weight but the new AF pretty much seals the deal. Hoping that maybe by the time I switch maybe there will be a bundle deal so I can pick up another prime when I do.
If you’d utilise the AF system then it’s a no brainer!
For me it's the S1h and the S5 for now. Maybe I can go for the S5iix. If it works even better as my s1h.
Personally have no need to upgrade right now. If I did upgrade it would most definitely be for the X version, but I would likely keep my S5 as a backup or B cam.
The S5iiX is gonna be awesome 👏🏻
Hi Josh, quick question (if you dont mind):
It looks like the viewfinder on the mk2 is longer. Does this result in a more comfortable shooting experience? As a left eye photographer, my nose is constantly rubbing on the AF selector. I did try to get better eyecups, but the one available is hard plastic.
Would be a great reason to upgrade! Either that, or I need my nose shortened.
Cheers!
Your videos rock man!!
I will stick with my s5 for now, but maybe one day I'll upgrade to the s5iiX. Great video BTW. And is the 'secret' lens on your insta possibly a 135mm f1.8? That's my guess.
Hahaha it’s not the 135mm 1.8! But you’ll see next week 👀
I'm undecided... I want to buy the original S5 because I'll have money left over for the 18mm...
I currently have an S1H and S5. It seems like the S1H could be swapped out for the S5ii, gain some solid autofocus, and probably make a few bucks. What do you think? Thanks.
I know it can't shoot RAW yet but can the S5ii shoot ProRes to a Ninja V at present?
Fyi the 30 minute record time is only in 4k 10 bit, you get unlimited in 4k 8 bit!
Nicely made guidance video as always. Thanks again. I am also one of those that purchased an S5 last year on sale with the 85mm lens and have zero regrets. I do have one clarification question..doesn’t the original s5 have 6k internal but limited to 15 mins? I know it’s a kinda back door hack but it works really well when 6k is needed.
I haven't ever come across that, maybe it's possible over hdmi, idk
@@aylenstudios ruclips.net/video/F4f_IwbsVtE/видео.html
Check this video. I tried it and was pleasantly surprised. What I believe it’s actually doing is stitching 30 6k images per second that can be extracted as a high quality photo but can be pulled as a 6k video. But the caveat is it’s 15 minutes time limit. But, hey, it’s still real impressive and useable.
Ah, I've never thought of that. I will watch the video soon, but it must be the 6k photo mode. I didn't think it could go as long as 15 mins
Unless it does 4k60 Uncropped with the PDAF, or at the very least 1080/60 Full Frame with the PDAF, I will upgrade.
Would you still use the Gamut LUT for the S5ii? Or is there a newer one more preferable?
Nice review! I am thinking of upgrading from Canon M50 to Lumix S5ii for talking head videos. Does Lumix brand cameras depreciate at a faster rate when compared with Canon or Sony?
Yes
Shame you don't mention stills photography at all.
Quick question, I am a hobby shooter and my S5 has shutter issues (
I've not heard of that issue before, could you explain more of what's happening please? What happens past 1/2000 of a second exactly? Would love to help if I can!
@@JoshCameron Hello, basically above shutter speeds of 1/2000 on mech shutter I get dim to black photos. Flip to electronic shutter and all is fine. The mech shutter is supposed to be 1/8000 max….it may have started that way, but not anymore. Thx.
I would not call this an 'upgrade'. You just have to buy a new camera at the full price. Would be a real upgrade if Panasonic gave a decent rebate to owners of the S5.
Thanks for your video. Is there any scenario in which S5 is limited due to its mini HDMI port? I mean, would they both perform identically in terms of HDMI connection in different scenarios, if S5 had a full-HDMI-to-mini adapter? Thanks
The Micro HDMI is just less resistant to bashes and any other thing that may happen on set. Full Size HDMI is superior but you'll get the same performance either way :)
Been doing quite some "talking head" shoots which are perfect with the S5 but I often have to shoot some B-roll where I just wish I could shoot with auto-focus and without a gimbal... which currently sucks with the S5. Would the S5 II be worth it in that case or is it still meh?
The S5ii is a great camera for gimbal work. The AF is brilliant :)
So either of these have a bsi sensor?
Which of these two would be better for filming Motorsports like snowmobiling?
s5 ii , it's going to be difficult to focus those fast moving objects with slow focus and s5 i .
Talk about the fact that 1080 50/60fps full frame doesnt support PDAF it only supports DFD. Its misleading not to disclose such crucial information.
Vid coming out this week about it :)
Why does my S5 record longer than 30 minutes and yours not?
In 8bit is has no recording limit. 10bit 4K limited to 30~
NOTE to 1080 50\60 users !!! no PDAF... only DFD.
Hey all,
There have been a surprising number of questions regarding PDAF utilization when shooting FHD. This is the info that I have directly from Lumix that I can share. I know nothing else at the time:
1.) FHD with Full Image Area switches to Contrast DFD for 50/60p only.
2.) FHD with Full Image Area in 24,25,30p are all using PDAF. (Sorry, I told someone otherwise recently, but this is the correct ifno).
3.) All other image area options (Pixel / Pixel and APS-C) in FHD are PDAF at all 24,25,30,60p.
4.) No matter what the image area is, anything over 60fps uses DFD.
4.) When shooting in any of the 6K resolutions (16x9, 17:9, 3:2 etc) - PDAF is always used. When HDMI is plugged in, Subject Detection is lost, however.
This doesn't mean that you can't get good results tracking things / people in 6K with HDMI plugged in though. You could, for example, set it to 1-Area, make the AF Area medium sized and in the center, and then keep your subject in the center. I haven't experimented with this, but I'd like to!
What about going from S1H to S5 II? Would one only do that swap for better AF and a lighter camera, or are there other things to consider?
S1H have better EVF + flip / tilt screen and of cause the optical low pass filter.
@@Toft64 It's really better to not have an anti-aliasing filter, since nowadays moiré can be dealt with in post, and you just end up with a sharper image.
I am a still shooter only, I am not in to video at all! so is it best for me to go with the S5 I or S5 II? thanks for your help
It's always best to have the latest tech, but the S5 can be had for so cheap now that you can invest in some decent lenses to go with it instead of getting the S5ii!
@@JoshCameron Thanks Josh 👍🏻
Upgrade your TV with higher Nits instead then you will get more out of your S5 in HDR10
its not the cameras that limits the HDR impact its the TVs.
everyone shoots in HDR10 with their S5 right or am i the only one ;)?
Unlimited recording + AF are tempting, but hard to justify given the IQ is exactly the same!
I love the S5ii , I must say, but yeah the S5 still very much holds its own!
I bough the S5 for 990€ brand new, I think there is not that big difference to pay the double for the S5ii
A question? Do you already have a way to edit the images in Adobe?
Not yet - Adobe are being slow as always. I genuinely dislike Adobe with a passion... It's annoying that the whole industry is tied in with them so much
Is the s5 ok for stills? I never shoot video.
My friend has an S5 and tells me that every time he changes the battery he has to reset the time/date. Is this the same with the mkii?
Doesn't happen with my S5
@@hemzheru lol me either
To be honest these days I see The Panasonic S5 Mark 1 as a full frame version of all of Panasonic Mid Range MIcro Four Thirds Camera's that only shot 8 bit 4K. As the Panasonic S5 Mark 1 has unlimited recording time limit in 8 bit 4K
The part that excites me the most about the S5II coming out is that we'll get cheaper S5s on the used market ;)
Great way to look at it!
Josh, I noticed that in s5 ii the 1080p full frame 50fps recording the autofocus will become unstable and as slow as s5, do you think the firmware upgrade solved this problem?
I’m not sure to be honest - I never record in 1080p so I haven’t noticed it!
I find out the low light it still better in S5 then s5 II
I haven't noticed too much of a difference tbh!
Just to correct you - On the standard S5 you're only limited to 30 minutes in 4K when shooting 10bit. In 8 bit you have unlimited
Anyone moved from Fuji to the S5 here?
The S5 has 6k 30p internal in photo mode
Great
How about stablaizer
It’s fantastic on the S5ii - should’ve mentioned that!
cant the s5 record unlimited in 4k 8 bit
It can, I forgot to mention this - it’s only because I shoot in 10bit exclusively :)
@Josh Cameron ya I hear ya. I actually didn't know it did until it happened at a shoot. I was pleasantly surprised even if it was 8bit
I got the S5 with the 20-60 for 1200 usd new. Best deal ever
Fabulous video ✨
The sensor in the s5ii is new ?
It is! Because of the new AF system :)
I’m the guy that bought an S5 in November 22 because it was a great deal and now I’m thinking, damn, I should have waited …
Don’t regret it dude! The S5 is still solid and chances are you got it for a STEAL!
@@JoshCameron I don’t regret it at all! That said, I will be buying the Mark II x when it releases so I can can two camera bodies for multi cam shoots and that sweet sweet phase detect for run and gun
The intro to this video is all about me and the second S5 I bought 🤣🤣
Thanks!
The S5 II will be great if you want to hand the camera to your friend to take videos of you.
Even if he is not a good videographer you know things will be in focus.
I have the S5 I and I like that I will learn on it and maybe it will force me to adapt and understand how focusing works so that if and when I get a second body I will reap all the benefits it provides.
In addition I am really curious what the S1 II will be.
If it offers a flip out screen and a better sensor and processor for 500$ more - maybe this will be my second body.
The good thing for S5 I owners is that they can wait. They still have an amazing camera!