I personally prefer the S5 simply because it feels like a more purpose-built video creation tool. I love things like shutter angle and DCI 4K. I also just prefer that the sharpness, colors, and dynamic range are a little more suited towards having a neutral starting point for color grading. There's no denying that the Sony looks great as a final product, but I prefer the process of getting there with the Lumix.
I totally agree on that. As a former Sony user I immediatly switched to Panasonic after my intership, I never changed to another brand. The build quality, sensor quality, vlog colors and dynamic range. Lumix is very underrated and for the most creators the best option. Unfortunate sony is a bigger brand so there cameras will be more hyped always. But yeah why would I pay 4k for a sony a7siii if I can get a pana s5ii for half the price, with better features and image
I use a Sony A7S3 at the production company I work at and it's not just the greens that are desaturated, it's all of the shadows. You can see it clearly at 7:17. V-log has brighter and more saturated shadows which make it look very nice.
Mate, i'm so glad you have that colour check in the shot when you're talking. I almost thought your skin tone was blue... Phew, you just about saved it.
@@SamWasHere if you want fast and reliable AF Sony is the choice. For a person in a budget the s5 is a really, really good camera that can do most of the a7iv work.
@@pedroferreira9858 there are a lot of reviews for S5 and a7iv on RUclips that came to the result that S5 is superior in almost every aspect except AF. Basic conclusion: if you are a only vlogging then grab Sony. In all other cases lumix is clearly the better choice (Colors, Image quality, Video Features like shutter angle and waveform monitor, dynamic range, low Light, Ibis,...) and also much cheaper...
I love my S5!! It's great seeing this side by side comparison and just how well it holds up to the A7S III. I used to shoot Canon before getting into video, and usability is really important to me. Panasonic make cameras that are such a pleasure to use...Sony not so much.
Those cameras both look great qnd are very very close but considering the price and better photo capabilities the s5 is the clear winner to me. Even at the same price i would buy the s5
This just made me excited about my purchase. My S5 comes in tomorrow. I thought cam b was the S5 honestly. I went into it thinking, "whichever one looks smoother is the A7S3" ... first time I'm happy to be wrong
The S5 looks so good. You can definitely see the difference in sharpness, the S5 is softer but in such a beautiful way. What a camera man. We just need an S series cam with 4k60 no crop, then it's game over.
@@fredriksvard2603 For some people, absolutely. For myself, I never use AF, besides using it for vlogging, which is very rare for me. Even then, my S5 with the 20-60 does a great job with facetracking AF while vlogging. I didn't think the crop would bother me either, and it everyday use or corporate work it's completely fine. But for wedding work, Full Frame is so nice. It really accentuates the "magical" feel of a wedding, since it feels dreamier and softer if you will. I've been shooting in 1080 60 422 for wedding work just so I can use FF on my S1 & S5. The 1080 on these cameras seems to fall victim to aliasing and moire, especially if you're using native lenses with no filtration. I typically shoot with older glass, wide open, with a 1/8 promist and a Variable ND, it helps a ton with combating those issues. However, I really just want 4k 60 FF lol.
Hi Sam. I commented before but now that I’ve used my S5 bodies for a handful of corporate jobs, I want to say something. When I consider what camera I buy, I will not use price as a main consideration. However, you make a great point about the fact you can get multiple bodies that match in post. I bought four S5 bodies and my main issue is that the S5 won’t let me punch in while shooting video. I followed your video rig advice and bought a couple cages, small rig matte boxes, and monitors. Focusing is a breeze and the only issue now is the bulk of the rigs, but the benefit is my clients appreciate seeing my set up. Keep up the good work Sam. I appreciate your videos, and your humor.
I really appreciate this video. I’ve been struggling trying to decide to either get a Sony A7Siii, or a second Lumix S5 for a second camera. I already have one S5. This video has allowed me to make my own decision, and not allow others to influence my choice. Keep up that good work.
Thank you. I’m pleased you didn’t feel pressured in any way. You have to choose what is right for you 💪🏻🎥 thanks for watching 🤩 enjoy whichever camera it was that you chose.
I love the video that how you can get a similar look with different and cheaper cameras but It felt more like highlighting the pros of one camera and the cons of another camera. The low light test is actually when you crank up the ISO to 200k or 400k because sony can shoot in almost no light and known for its light sensitivity, no way Lumix can catch up to that mark. Sony can go up to 120fps in 4K if someone needs that then sony will be definitely a clear winner and also the sony autofocus that you mentioned in the video.
What... i came here to watch this video about lumix s5 .i am going to buy a s5 after watching all your videos.. and your content video quality really impressive.. now you are telling Sony is better choice 🥺.. i really confused brother i am your big fan kanishk brother please recommend me which camera should I pick Sony or s5 for video making.. please, love you 💞 God bless you 🙌.
I'm with you on having fun with the camera tech, versus just the technical image. I've been in the Sigma ecosystem for some years now (with forays into Pentax 645Z) and am currently having a lot of fun with the Sigma fp. Quirky, not for most people, but great fun if you connect with it's charisma. -Tom
I love the S5. I just wish the Peaking feature was better. Beyond that I don't think I could ask for anything better. It's given me the best video color and image quality of any other cameras I've shot---and I've shot them all.
@@SamHolland Just pulled the trigger on a S5...$1500 new on B&H right now! Also picked up the 20-60 and Sigma EF adapter. Selling the trusty GH5 and Metabones XL after 3 years - and now getting clean high ISO and 10bit 4k/60 for $1500 - it is crazy.
What's insane is that the Lumix uses a Sony sensor and manages to beat it in some areas. Imagine if Sony allowed Panasonic to use the phase detect af on the Lumix.....we would see an crazy change in power
Panasonic probably ordered a Sony sensor without phase detection AF but better light gathering tech. It's a compromise where Panasonic has higher resolution (24MP) and no phase detection and cheap price, and Sony has lower resolution (12MP) but larger pixels with phase detection using quad bayer (sensor is more similar to A1 than the S5) with a higher amplification on the 2nd ISO, and low rolling shutter but the price is massive. Which is why it's they aren't comparable if you need to take advantages of those features, most of the time people don't care about the advanced settings which is why the S5 makes sense if you're strapped for money.
@@natefullerproductions it was listed a while back. Had a codename beginning with IMX. Panasonic's been using Sony sensors for a while now. They started to use their own on the GH6. I'm glad they did and hopefully stays away from Sony and their toxic business practices
@@natefullerproductions It's the same sensor used in most full frame mirrorless cameras at the time, the Exmor R Back illuminated IMX410. Everyone used it except for Canon who made their own much lower specked one for their Canon R. Sigma Fp, A7III, Z6, S1H, S1, S5 all used the IMX410. It was the best quality to money ratio'd sensor on the marked. It's what you went with if you wanted to hit that price range. For information on all Sony sensors (and which cameras use them) Wikipedia has the full chart from Sony up. Just search for Exmor.
i think what is missing from this comparison is lens availability. If they are both equal... then the Sony definitely has the advantage simply because of their lenses If you’re on a budget go for the Panasonic but if you want to really dial in your footage the Sony is absolutely the winner simply because of the Lens lineup that is available and the picture profiles of the sony if you want SOOC perhaps the pana, but if you are serious you are probably color grading, and the picture profiles of the sony is superior… excellent comparison on the points you mentioned.
Great comparison ! The S5 being an L mount camera allows you to put Leica SL glasses if you can afford… there are few on the used market… and there you have some incredibly ridiculously marvels of glasses. I tend to prefer the bokeh in you test from the lens you use on the Sony. But all the other aspects of the S5 have my preference. Put a 90mm SL Summicron and you end the game definitively.
Who the hell pays 5.000 EURO for the lenses? That must be some reach hobbyist. Any real time user will clearly not se a much different between ordinary lense for 500 Euro and the one 5.000 Euro. The subject matters the most.
I’m extremely fortunate to have both; & they are both fantastic. But each is better than the other certain scenarios. To say one is ‘better’ is overly simplistic. Love the S5 user experience for video, but there are times I need the autofocus & 120 4k of the Sony. As I said, I’m lucky to have both of these great cameras.
I really like the features of the s5IIx and it seems like a great deal. but honestly from all the videos I see, I enjoy more the image quality from the sony a7sIII/FX3. I can't tell if it's the color, micro contrast, the codec or something else... What has been your experience like?
I'm quite uneducated but the sharpness of the Sony really stood out to me. I wish you would have done more of the comparisons to show s5 with sharpness vs Sony but you probably didn't realize that til you were editing.
This is a "Sony vs Sony" fight. The IMX410 is a SUPERB sensor, any way you look at it. It's variants are used by Kinifinity and Nikon too. It's in the S1H, S1, S5, A7-III and XDCAM FX9 also. It's a great chip in every camera it's used in.
Great video Sam. Personally I really liked the skin tones on camera A but was surprised the image stabilisation test was as close. Keep the videos coming!
I'm with you, it was close. Certain shots I preferred A, others B. I actually though you swapped A and B at one point lol. I rewound to make sure I didn't miss something and it wasn't a new test.
If the 12 Mpx A7s3 looks sharper than the 24Mpx S5 when recording at 30p, you can be pretty certain the difference is due to artificial sharpening which you can finely tune to taste on the S5, like so many other things. Same with noise. Some people complain that vlog on the S5 can be noisy, but they seem to forget that the default noise suppression on the S5 is extremely conservative. You can crank it up to 10 in 20 steps if you want to, or proces it in post.
Being an S5 owner, I maybe biased. But I love the colors from the S5 better. I've bought it after watching your earlier reviews. Thank you for helping me with my decision.
I have multiple Lumix cameras and in my opinion, their color science is better than Sonys. I know things can be edited to achieve the desired look but straight out of camera, the S5 looks better than Sony.
I prefer the image of the S5. The color science is very pleasing. I have found that to be true of the GH6 as well. This was a really great comparison. Not one I would have thought to do. However, it proves the S5 is a real value at its price point. Good work.
Been using the S1 for a while now and even got myself a 2nd one and i have to say i completely agree that id rather have 2 cams than just a single expensive one. Atm you could roughly get two S1 for the price of just one a7s iii. I just think S1 and S5 are the best hybrid cams in that price range.
It was close - I went for B for sharpness but feel I prefer the colour or look of A - you need to compare them against the R3 too - plus do you know a colour checker makes you a better RUclipsr 😁😁
The skin tones and the greens were more pleasing to me on the S5. I adore this camera specifically for the colors straight from the camera. For the price point, I settled with the S5 vs the sony.
I own a G9 but I’m starting to look around to get a full frame, hadn’t really thought about the S5 but I heard the LUMIX will be changing their AF to face detect autofocus, if that is true my next camera will be the S5
Panasonic S5 is a great camera! But there is a big drawback, in addition to terrible autofocus, this is the lack of a low-pass filter, I often encounter moire, I have to use a glow filter, this partially reduces the effect. I think it would be worth talking about this when it came to sharpness. Thanks for the great review!
I had the original A7s, and I had the same color issues with green! I always had to isolate the greens and adjust them to look attractive, which was not easy with Premiere back in the day.
@@Aviciiz Oh ya, before lumetri was rough, I forgot how big of an improvement that was... before it if I just looked at the color grading wheels wrong, my 8bit video files would fall apart. Now 10-bit in Resolve almost feels like I'm editing raw photos in Lightroom.
I checked the full specs from Panasonic, and the two standard (sensor shifting) IBIS options are "Image Stabilisation" (from the internal IBIS) and then Dual I.S. (with a compatible lens which also has stabilisation built-in). But then you also have "E-Stabilization (Video) / Boost I.S. (Video)" which are the two electronically-assisted stabilisation modes. So I think you might have not been using the standard mode, but instead the electronic one, which usually looks worse. And "sharpness" is surely more down to the different lenses on each body, no? Which exact lenses were being used on each body? You also seem to be using 2 filters on the front of the lenses - not sure why - so would be useful to mention what those are too. S5 is better yes, especially at the price.
Sam, I love these videos. Thank you for doing what works for you and being aware of what people are going to ask. These are great excursions and I appreciate them a lot.
Let's push Panasonic to bring a firmware update that allows ALL-Intra 4:2:2 10 bits 400 Mbps on the S5, so i could leave the Atomos Ninja V at home :-) ! Btw as i commented in your previous video, same goes for A7sIII, shoot in prores raw with Ninja V so you will avoid nearly all "weird Sony choices" and also apply the V-log in FCP not the S-log3 curve and you will be surprised how good it is ! We call it S-log4 for fun ! I will finally add that if you are into sports go A7s3, rolling shutter and autofocus are so good and if you are into narrative go S5, best highlight rolloff for the price !
It is clear that we are at the Panasonic Fanclub, but i also have Panasonic and 2 Sony a7sIII. I prefer Sony anytime,..........6:56 ..... that's why ! The colors can still be adjusted to look like any other camera, if you know how, but if something/someone is not in focus, this is no longer possible.
You are right, so close. So hard to tell after youtube gets a hold of it. Is the autofocus alone worth 2000$, plus the larger lens selection for the Sony? Not for me, but if I was new to either system, maybe.
Brilliant video buddy! Love the s5 (which I bought on your recommendation) can you do a video of behind the scenes / how you use your s5 on your channel please? I’m a complete novice!
Its not about the camera, its about what's in front of the camera whats important. To me though good autofocus is a must for shooting sports so Sony all the way.
I agree with you about the way to test a camera's imagery is to test how it performs in real life. Color "Science" is not equal to Science, folks! Haha! This review is one of the best I'd watched so far.
IMHO normalcy bias influences what we perceive in performance and color science. For myself I often fall into BM or Canon for image but realize Sony seems to be further ahead in features but lacks ease of use in many circumstances. I like Panasonic but the lack of a good auto-focus leaves me wanting for my intended use. I would like to see IBIS that I could lock down when on a tripod and lenses we can set to hard stops when on manual for easy focus pulling. None of this is difficult to implement. I see all these mirrorless cameras as prosumer than professional in nature. I used to prefer Canon but am tempted by some of the newer science from other manufacturers. I was thinking of an FX3 but honestly think the FX30's 26.1 M pixel count is what I'd hoped for in the FX3 but in a full frame sensor. Maybe the FX3 ii will have it (ten years from now) when it comes out.
Id prefer A! I felt like the color in the skin on the Sony or B never feels right to me! I use the Sony in our video production camera and the colors never feel great in comparison to Panasonic!
I like the comparison!! 🎉 I shoot with Lumix since 2017 and in 2021 i bought the S5. But in the beginning of the video I was wrong thinking that Camera B is Lumix… 😮 Which picture style and settings of it did You use?
Hey Sam, another great video - I'd love to see a tutorial video from you about the hue vs hue and hue-sat curves like you showed at 3:55. Never been able to understand them and I think you might be able to help!
i will get the S5 and buy beer for the rest of the money thanks for the comparision. the A7 S3 seems overhyped as hell when you get almost the same performance from the S5. btw can you recommend a good lens for video on the S5?
That sounds like a plan! 👌🏻🎥 I’m reviewing the Lumix prime lens lineup very soon but they’re all great. Also got an affordable cine lens review on the way too so stay tuned for that. 🤩🎥 thanks for watching. In the meantime, this lens video may help - ruclips.net/video/XAMZx0vbNYU/видео.html
Personally, I think the Sony only wins in the AF and HFR, The Lumix S5 wins in all other areas including image quality. The IBIS is way better on the S5 than you reported it.
I have the A7siii and had the S5 briefly. Honestly they are not even close... The EVF on the Panasonic is such low resolution that you cannot tell if something is in focus. The video quality at 30 pfs is comparable, I expected the S5 to be sharper, but no. The IBIS is somewhat better on the Panasonic, but not by much. For high frame rates there is no contest. The A7siii is just a reliable workhorse with amazing autofocus. I was SOOO happy to send the S5 back. The S5 is not worth more than the current asking price, it is several generations behind, severely crippled and not a bargain at all. Get the S1 instead with better IBIS and actually usable EVF.
Aye up, are you a Notts or Leicester lad? Loved this video because I've got to say I agree with pretty much everything, including your accent. I bought the A7S3 and an A7RV, but..... I miss the Panny. Note to self, must stop googling the S5ii..... repeat after me.... you don't need another camera
This was helpful to me as I'm just transitioning into video from still photography and I'm looking at both options for my first full frame mirrorless. Definitely leaning towards the S5 now.
What lens did you use on the A7Siii? Did you use the Sony FE 2.8 24-70 GM that's briefly visible in the video? Sorry if you mentioned it and I missed it. Great video!!!
Yeh it’s hard because you can’t directly compare cameras with the same lenses because then you’d have to use an adapter which would alter it again. Maybe cine lenses would be a good option, however, what I have done is compare the tools you’d use if you bought those cameras. Hope this makes sense
I find it odd that the A7Siii is a bit sharper than the S5 since the S5 is downscaling from 6K for extra sharpness and the Sony is just a 4K camera. Which makes me think that the sharpness on the Sony cannot be fully turned off, same thing happens with the noise reduction on the Sony making the high ISO shots mushier than the Panasonic.
You can actually set ur sharpness to -1 in s5..disabling all post sharpness while sony you cant go below 1. Maybe that's why, also it depends a lot on the lens. My sigma was way sharper than my pana 85mm..
I just wish next firmware update would include 6k or 5k video. Otherwise very happy with my s5. Like you mentioned, a fraction of the cost of the a7siii. Not reallly bothered with the autofocus. Still waiting on S1hii, with 8k video, then I might upgrade. Then again a moot point, as almost no 8k monitors available right now. But plenty of tv's! 8k seems a bit more future proofed though.
I own both. Well - the Sony is the FX3 but that makes no difference. The Sony is the better camera for sure except for ibis . But - I constantly use both. The FX3 is rigged up and the S5 just like it is. So I use them in different situations. Regarding bang for the buck there is no other camera even close to the S5. Love it. The image from the Sony is more pleasing and sort of filmic. But you can easily match both cameras and just a few will notice. Only thing I would love - being. Able to adapt m Sony glass to L mount 😂
Thank you. Here’s a video - ruclips.net/video/GOcmq-swnmM/видео.html I also have FCPX and Premiere Pro audio presets on my website. There is a link in the description 🙏🏻🎥 hope this helps
Congratulations for the great video my brother, A year ago I bought the Lumix S5 and it really is my best choice, I love this camera for everything it delivers and for the excellent price, I recently bought a lumix 35mm 1.8 lens and I could have even better images, not to mention that for photos the s5 has the advantage for delivering photos with 24 mgpixes, finally loving the s5, but 2 months ago I got the Sony a7iv and I'm impressed with everything this camera produces, especially the autofocus in video lol, Congratulations Panasonic and sony for the great work.
@@sergiypervun both are great for photos and videos, but if you're going to use autofocus and you don't like to use manual focus for video, the sony a7vi has the best auto focus at the moment, another interesting thing that sony offers is that you can use one variety of cheaper lenses.
Hey man, good videos! So, Even though you've had the Sony and Canon latest and greatest, you still feel the S5 wins? You seemed really sold on the RF lens system too... The S5 is much more affordable, but I just wish the AF was a bit better.. Do you have multiple cams or are you now purely S5? Cheers
Hey thank you 🙏🏻 Yeah I love the Canon cameras so much for the way they work and the colours but for me the S5 has such a great image and colours. The system is a little clunky (not as fast touch screen etc) BUT in terms of the image I was looking for, this has it. And yes, I’m purely on the S5 now and I don’t feel like I’m missing anything at all 🤩 Thanks for watching. Hope this helps 🎥
s5 and spend the rest on the rig. No one's going to be using batteries for main video shoots anyways... you'll always need the rig with v-mount battery imo.
So I was suspecting B might be Sony from that clinically clean image at 0:12 , but the massive IBIS difference in 0:14 (and then at 1:34) made it pretty clear to me. Ha! I was right. Do I win the (clearly superior :P ) S5? Although come to think of it, wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it to the A7IV? With the S5 being a hybrid and all (and people keep forgetting this) Edit: Well I think it's hilarious that the famous Sony AF missed focus at 9:00 and Lumix DFD AF of horrors was fine... unless you were manual focusing anyway.
You get basicly almost 2 S5s almost same Price you get on Sony . IT all comes to If you like manual Focus shooting. . i love making music videos with manually... But dance videos etc af is very easy ...
Which do you prefer?? 🎥
Sony a7s3
two S5!!!
Lumix S5
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but it gives a lot of noise, I can't find a solution to it
I personally prefer the S5 simply because it feels like a more purpose-built video creation tool. I love things like shutter angle and DCI 4K. I also just prefer that the sharpness, colors, and dynamic range are a little more suited towards having a neutral starting point for color grading. There's no denying that the Sony looks great as a final product, but I prefer the process of getting there with the Lumix.
I totally agree on that. As a former Sony user I immediatly switched to Panasonic after my intership, I never changed to another brand. The build quality, sensor quality, vlog colors and dynamic range. Lumix is very underrated and for the most creators the best option. Unfortunate sony is a bigger brand so there cameras will be more hyped always. But yeah why would I pay 4k for a sony a7siii if I can get a pana s5ii for half the price, with better features and image
What you have right now mate im between these two beasts@@Engeyarrakazehbi3456
I use a Sony A7S3 at the production company I work at and it's not just the greens that are desaturated, it's all of the shadows. You can see it clearly at 7:17. V-log has brighter and more saturated shadows which make it look very nice.
Mate, i'm so glad you have that colour check in the shot when you're talking. I almost thought your skin tone was blue... Phew, you just about saved it.
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Lumix S5 4k50 crop is the only problem. The a7siii is better in my opinion, but 2000€ better?
The S5 is so underrated!
A7IV basically addresses the price issue.
It's pretty simple. If you need AF then you get the Sony. If not then go Panasonic.
The AF is also a huge problem on the S5, as is only 50/60p vs 100/120. Depends on your usecase, but for me I'd say... yes, it is $2000 better.
@@SamWasHere if you want fast and reliable AF Sony is the choice. For a person in a budget the s5 is a really, really good camera that can do most of the a7iv work.
@@pedroferreira9858 there are a lot of reviews for S5 and a7iv on RUclips that came to the result that S5 is superior in almost every aspect except AF. Basic conclusion: if you are a only vlogging then grab Sony. In all other cases lumix is clearly the better choice (Colors, Image quality, Video Features like shutter angle and waveform monitor, dynamic range, low Light, Ibis,...) and also much cheaper...
I love my S5!! It's great seeing this side by side comparison and just how well it holds up to the A7S III. I used to shoot Canon before getting into video, and usability is really important to me. Panasonic make cameras that are such a pleasure to use...Sony not so much.
So true Lisa 🤩👌🏻🎥 thank you for watching 🙏🏻
Do you still have it? Im between this s5 and a7iii
I prefer the S5. It got a bit more contrast baked in like the Canon. The colours are a bit more vibrant. ✌️
Those cameras both look great qnd are very very close but considering the price and better photo capabilities the s5 is the clear winner to me. Even at the same price i would buy the s5
This just made me excited about my purchase. My S5 comes in tomorrow. I thought cam b was the S5 honestly. I went into it thinking, "whichever one looks smoother is the A7S3" ... first time I'm happy to be wrong
The S5 looks so good. You can definitely see the difference in sharpness, the S5 is softer but in such a beautiful way. What a camera man. We just need an S series cam with 4k60 no crop, then it's game over.
Exactly. I’m really looking forward to what they bring us next… whatever it is, I’m having one 😂 thanks for watching 🙏🏻🎥
@@fredriksvard2603 For some people, absolutely. For myself, I never use AF, besides using it for vlogging, which is very rare for me. Even then, my S5 with the 20-60 does a great job with facetracking AF while vlogging. I didn't think the crop would bother me either, and it everyday use or corporate work it's completely fine. But for wedding work, Full Frame is so nice. It really accentuates the "magical" feel of a wedding, since it feels dreamier and softer if you will. I've been shooting in 1080 60 422 for wedding work just so I can use FF on my S1 & S5. The 1080 on these cameras seems to fall victim to aliasing and moire, especially if you're using native lenses with no filtration. I typically shoot with older glass, wide open, with a 1/8 promist and a Variable ND, it helps a ton with combating those issues. However, I really just want 4k 60 FF lol.
Hi Sam. I commented before but now that I’ve used my S5 bodies for a handful of corporate jobs, I want to say something. When I consider what camera I buy, I will not use price as a main consideration. However, you make a great point about the fact you can get multiple bodies that match in post.
I bought four S5 bodies and my main issue is that the S5 won’t let me punch in while shooting video. I followed your video rig advice and bought a couple cages, small rig matte boxes, and monitors. Focusing is a breeze and the only issue now is the bulk of the rigs, but the benefit is my clients appreciate seeing my set up.
Keep up the good work Sam. I appreciate your videos, and your humor.
Thanks Tony! 💪🏻🎥 enjoy your new cameras and rigs
I love how "real world" this test is. Proof that my decision to buy an S5 is definitely the right choice. Thanks man 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Thank you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🎥🤩
I really appreciate this video. I’ve been struggling trying to decide to either get a Sony A7Siii, or a second Lumix S5 for a second camera. I already have one S5. This video has allowed me to make my own decision, and not allow others to influence my choice. Keep up that good work.
Thank you. I’m pleased you didn’t feel pressured in any way. You have to choose what is right for you 💪🏻🎥 thanks for watching 🤩 enjoy whichever camera it was that you chose.
I love the video that how you can get a similar look with different and cheaper cameras but It felt more like highlighting the pros of one camera and the cons of another camera.
The low light test is actually when you crank up the ISO to 200k or 400k because sony can shoot in almost no light and known for its light sensitivity, no way Lumix can catch up to that mark.
Sony can go up to 120fps in 4K if someone needs that then sony will be definitely a clear winner and also the sony autofocus that you mentioned in the video.
What... i came here to watch this video about lumix s5 .i am going to buy a s5 after watching all your videos.. and your content video quality really impressive.. now you are telling Sony is better choice 🥺.. i really confused brother i am your big fan kanishk brother please recommend me which camera should I pick Sony or s5 for video making.. please, love you 💞 God bless you 🙌.
I'm with you on having fun with the camera tech, versus just the technical image. I've been in the Sigma ecosystem for some years now (with forays into Pentax 645Z) and am currently having a lot of fun with the Sigma fp. Quirky, not for most people, but great fun if you connect with it's charisma.
-Tom
Love my fp. Very interesting color science on that camera.
I love the S5. I just wish the Peaking feature was better. Beyond that I don't think I could ask for anything better. It's given me the best video color and image quality of any other cameras I've shot---and I've shot them all.
Same!!!!!
Excellent! Knowing the S5 is on par with the pricey A7s III is very assuring, especially that stabilization advantage.
Crazy isn’t it! 🤩🎥
@@SamHolland Just pulled the trigger on a S5...$1500 new on B&H right now! Also picked up the 20-60 and Sigma EF adapter. Selling the trusty GH5 and Metabones XL after 3 years - and now getting clean high ISO and 10bit 4k/60 for $1500 - it is crazy.
That’s exciting!! 🤩🤩 yeh it’s mad isn’t it! The best quality for the price 🎥 enjoy!!!
What's insane is that the Lumix uses a Sony sensor and manages to beat it in some areas. Imagine if Sony allowed Panasonic to use the phase detect af on the Lumix.....we would see an crazy change in power
Panasonic probably ordered a Sony sensor without phase detection AF but better light gathering tech. It's a compromise where Panasonic has higher resolution (24MP) and no phase detection and cheap price, and Sony has lower resolution (12MP) but larger pixels with phase detection using quad bayer (sensor is more similar to A1 than the S5) with a higher amplification on the 2nd ISO, and low rolling shutter but the price is massive. Which is why it's they aren't comparable if you need to take advantages of those features, most of the time people don't care about the advanced settings which is why the S5 makes sense if you're strapped for money.
How do we know it is a Sony sensor? I am always looking for this info and can never find it.
@@natefullerproductions it was listed a while back. Had a codename beginning with IMX. Panasonic's been using Sony sensors for a while now. They started to use their own on the GH6. I'm glad they did and hopefully stays away from Sony and their toxic business practices
@@natefullerproductions It's the same sensor used in most full frame mirrorless cameras at the time, the Exmor R Back illuminated IMX410. Everyone used it except for Canon who made their own much lower specked one for their Canon R. Sigma Fp, A7III, Z6, S1H, S1, S5 all used the IMX410. It was the best quality to money ratio'd sensor on the marked. It's what you went with if you wanted to hit that price range. For information on all Sony sensors (and which cameras use them) Wikipedia has the full chart from Sony up. Just search for Exmor.
When Lumix solve the AF problem will be the king for hybrid shooters. I love Panasonic system, everything is so well designed
S5 is selling brand new for $998 in the States. Dual ISO, 4k60 and 5.9k Raw output. Pretty hard to beat that if you don't need autofocus.
Thanks for great video compression!!! 😀👍 Have S5 and I love it!!
Thank you 🤩🎥🙏🏻 great camera!
i think what is missing from this comparison is lens availability.
If they are both equal... then the Sony definitely has the advantage simply because of their lenses
If you’re on a budget go for the Panasonic but if you want to really dial in your footage the Sony is absolutely the winner simply because of the Lens lineup that is available and the picture profiles of the sony
if you want SOOC perhaps the pana, but if you are serious you are probably color grading, and the picture profiles of the sony is superior…
excellent comparison on the points you mentioned.
Great comparison !
The S5 being an L mount camera allows you to put Leica SL glasses if you can afford… there are few on the used market… and there you have some incredibly ridiculously marvels of glasses.
I tend to prefer the bokeh in you test from the lens you use on the Sony. But all the other aspects of the S5 have my preference. Put a 90mm SL Summicron and you end the game definitively.
Who the hell pays 5.000 EURO for the lenses? That must be some reach hobbyist. Any real time user will clearly not se a much different between ordinary lense for 500 Euro and the one 5.000 Euro. The subject matters the most.
I preferred camera a for sure. The Panasonic looked better for faces backlit too.
Great work Sam! 👏
Thanks Nicko! 🤩🎥🙏🏻
I’m extremely fortunate to have both; & they are both fantastic. But each is better than the other certain scenarios. To say one is ‘better’ is overly simplistic. Love the S5 user experience for video, but there are times I need the autofocus & 120 4k of the Sony. As I said, I’m lucky to have both of these great cameras.
I really like the features of the s5IIx and it seems like a great deal. but honestly from all the videos I see, I enjoy more the image quality from the sony a7sIII/FX3. I can't tell if it's the color, micro contrast, the codec or something else... What has been your experience like?
I'm quite uneducated but the sharpness of the Sony really stood out to me. I wish you would have done more of the comparisons to show s5 with sharpness vs Sony but you probably didn't realize that til you were editing.
Amazing comparison men. So grateful for the video.
This is a "Sony vs Sony" fight. The IMX410 is a SUPERB sensor, any way you look at it. It's variants are used by Kinifinity and Nikon too. It's in the S1H, S1, S5, A7-III and XDCAM FX9 also. It's a great chip in every camera it's used in.
Great video Sam. Personally I really liked the skin tones on camera A but was surprised the image stabilisation test was as close. Keep the videos coming!
I'm with you, it was close. Certain shots I preferred A, others B. I actually though you swapped A and B at one point lol. I rewound to make sure I didn't miss something and it wasn't a new test.
Wow I love the a7s3's colors but seeing it next to the S5 I think I prefer the colors of the S5
It’s an amazing image you get from the S5 👌🏻🎥
The S5 was totally better in image stab vs the A7S3. Good video... keep it up!
I really like the way you do these camera comparison. Hello from Madagascar
Thank you! 🤩🙏🏻🎥 hello!!!
If the 12 Mpx A7s3 looks sharper than the 24Mpx S5 when recording at 30p, you can be pretty certain the difference is due to artificial sharpening which you can finely tune to taste on the S5, like so many other things. Same with noise. Some people complain that vlog on the S5 can be noisy, but they seem to forget that the default noise suppression on the S5 is extremely conservative. You can crank it up to 10 in 20 steps if you want to, or proces it in post.
Being an S5 owner, I maybe biased. But I love the colors from the S5 better. I've bought it after watching your earlier reviews. Thank you for helping me with my decision.
I have multiple Lumix cameras and in my opinion, their color science is better than Sonys. I know things can be edited to achieve the desired look but straight out of camera, the S5 looks better than Sony.
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I prefer the image of the S5. The color science is very pleasing. I have found that to be true of the GH6 as well. This was a really great comparison. Not one I would have thought to do. However, it proves the S5 is a real value at its price point. Good work.
Thank you 🙏🏻 yes. It’s nice to see the underdog cameras standing up to the more popular ones at certain things. GH6 is amazing image
Been using the S1 for a while now and even got myself a 2nd one and i have to say i completely agree that id rather have 2 cams than just a single expensive one. Atm you could roughly get two S1 for the price of just one a7s iii. I just think S1 and S5 are the best hybrid cams in that price range.
I want to try the S1H again but looking forward to what comes next
@@SamHolland Yeah i cant wait for the next generation. Would love to see you test the S1H 🙌
I did test it on a previous video but I didn’t have the experience then and would love to try again
S5 owner and love it. I preferred the sony video here. Still not giving up my s5 though.
Cam A was my favourite and turns out it was the preferred choice for me, I also own an S5 and I love it
Woo! 🤩🥳🎥💪🏻
I do still photos only and love my S5. It's well built and works great for my use case.
It was close - I went for B for sharpness but feel I prefer the colour or look of A - you need to compare them against the R3 too - plus do you know a colour checker makes you a better RUclipsr 😁😁
The skin tones and the greens were more pleasing to me on the S5. I adore this camera specifically for the colors straight from the camera. For the price point, I settled with the S5 vs the sony.
Yes!!!! 🤩💪🏻 me too! 🎥
Yes, the skin tones and the greens were driving me nuts when using Sony.
I own a G9 but I’m starting to look around to get a full frame, hadn’t really thought about the S5 but I heard the LUMIX will be changing their AF to face detect autofocus, if that is true my next camera will be the S5
Still choose Lumix S5 whatever its competitors.
Now i've used GH5, and super satisfied me. 💞💕
Panasonic S5 is a great camera! But there is a big drawback, in addition to terrible autofocus, this is the lack of a low-pass filter, I often encounter moire, I have to use a glow filter, this partially reduces the effect. I think it would be worth talking about this when it came to sharpness.
Thanks for the great review!
I had the original A7s, and I had the same color issues with green! I always had to isolate the greens and adjust them to look attractive, which was not easy with Premiere back in the day.
Yeah. We want it to look great with minimal effort. Thanks for watching 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Man, adjusting colors was horrible back when there was no lumetri panel or even hue curves!
@@Aviciiz Oh ya, before lumetri was rough, I forgot how big of an improvement that was... before it if I just looked at the color grading wheels wrong, my 8bit video files would fall apart. Now 10-bit in Resolve almost feels like I'm editing raw photos in Lightroom.
I checked the full specs from Panasonic, and the two standard (sensor shifting) IBIS options are "Image Stabilisation" (from the internal IBIS) and then Dual I.S. (with a compatible lens which also has stabilisation built-in). But then you also have "E-Stabilization (Video) / Boost I.S. (Video)" which are the two electronically-assisted stabilisation modes. So I think you might have not been using the standard mode, but instead the electronic one, which usually looks worse. And "sharpness" is surely more down to the different lenses on each body, no? Which exact lenses were being used on each body? You also seem to be using 2 filters on the front of the lenses - not sure why - so would be useful to mention what those are too. S5 is better yes, especially at the price.
this video is so useful I had to comment twice!!! love it! so well executed! cheers again mate!
I preferred the siii honestly, was it worth double the cost, I’m not sure but I still liked it better
Sam, I love these videos. Thank you for doing what works for you and being aware of what people are going to ask. These are great excursions and I appreciate them a lot.
Also, Lumix was completely not on my radar but your footage looks shaaaarp!
Thank YOU Daniel! 🙏🏻🤩🎥
Let's push Panasonic to bring a firmware update that allows ALL-Intra 4:2:2 10 bits 400 Mbps on the S5, so i could leave the Atomos Ninja V at home :-) ! Btw as i commented in your previous video, same goes for A7sIII, shoot in prores raw with Ninja V so you will avoid nearly all "weird Sony choices" and also apply the V-log in FCP not the S-log3 curve and you will be surprised how good it is ! We call it S-log4 for fun ! I will finally add that if you are into sports go A7s3, rolling shutter and autofocus are so good and if you are into narrative go S5, best highlight rolloff for the price !
Having a better rear screen is a must for me. So camera A just for ergonomics
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hot take but i think my camera goals are a FX6 and an S5 combo
i love my S5 for run and gun b-roll, and the fx6 seems like a beast documentary camera
FX6 is a beast! 🤩🎥👌🏻
It is clear that we are at the Panasonic Fanclub, but i also have Panasonic and 2 Sony a7sIII. I prefer Sony anytime,..........6:56 ..... that's why ! The colors can still be adjusted to look like any other camera, if you know how, but if something/someone is not in focus, this is no longer possible.
You are right, so close. So hard to tell after youtube gets a hold of it. Is the autofocus alone worth 2000$, plus the larger lens selection for the Sony? Not for me, but if I was new to either system, maybe.
I would keep the Lumix. Another cool video. Thanks Sam. Have a good day.
Thanks brother! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Brilliant video buddy! Love the s5 (which I bought on your recommendation) can you do a video of behind the scenes / how you use your s5 on your channel please? I’m a complete novice!
Lumix S5 is the sleeper camera of 2022. Outstanding video-
Thank you, John 🙏🏻🤩🎥
i got my S5ii ordered and on the way! got an absolute deal… and One ill go Sony lol but Fx30… Great video thank you very much!!
That’s exciting 🤩🙏🏻🎥 thanks for watching
@@SamHolland thanks for continuing to teach and inspire! This was my biggest purchase ever…
@tbcaptures_ thank YOU for being a part of this channel 🙏🏻🎥 you guys make it special and worth doing. Stay tuned for so much more content next year 🤩🎉
I can feel how much you like Panasonic, but I do too, my cameras are all Panasonic
Its not about the camera, its about what's in front of the camera whats important. To me though good autofocus is a must for shooting sports so Sony all the way.
Good advice your camera should be a relatively small percentage of your budget, but for many it's 70/80% plus
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I agree with you about the way to test a camera's imagery is to test how it performs in real life. Color "Science" is not equal to Science, folks! Haha! This review is one of the best I'd watched so far.
Ah thank you so much, Steve! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
I literally love them all but I just bought an S5 after following you for a while.
Nice one Jay 🤩 I have a guide on how to set it up if you need 👌🏻it’s on the channel
@@SamHolland Thank you Sam, I will watch it for sure!
IMHO normalcy bias influences what we perceive in performance and color science. For myself I often fall into BM or Canon for image but realize Sony seems to be further ahead in features but lacks ease of use in many circumstances. I like Panasonic but the lack of a good auto-focus leaves me wanting for my intended use. I would like to see IBIS that I could lock down when on a tripod and lenses we can set to hard stops when on manual for easy focus pulling. None of this is difficult to implement. I see all these mirrorless cameras as prosumer than professional in nature. I used to prefer Canon but am tempted by some of the newer science from other manufacturers. I was thinking of an FX3 but honestly think the FX30's 26.1 M pixel count is what I'd hoped for in the FX3 but in a full frame sensor. Maybe the FX3 ii will have it (ten years from now) when it comes out.
Id prefer A! I felt like the color in the skin on the Sony or B never feels right to me! I use the Sony in our video production camera and the colors never feel great in comparison to Panasonic!
I love the image from S5 more. Can you please review the Nikon Z9 video capability?
This was a good comparison video.
I would see a Lumix S5 vs. BMCC6k video comparison.
Thank you. Yes! That would be a good one 🤩🎥🙏🏻
very helpful vid mate, ppreciate you
Epic comparison mate! I love my S1H ❤️
Thank you. Yeah great camera! 🤩🎥💪🏻
love the portrait bokeh. what lens do you use in this cameras?
they both look great so i dont think it matters which you go with.
I like the comparison!! 🎉 I shoot with Lumix since 2017 and in 2021 i bought the S5. But in the beginning of the video I was wrong thinking that Camera B is Lumix… 😮 Which picture style and settings of it did You use?
I'll be interested to learn more about the slow motion frame rates on both of these cameras.
Hey Sam, another great video - I'd love to see a tutorial video from you about the hue vs hue and hue-sat curves like you showed at 3:55. Never been able to understand them and I think you might be able to help!
Thanks Corey. I’ll work on a colour grading tutorial very soon 🤩🙏🏻🎥
i will get the S5 and buy beer for the rest of the money
thanks for the comparision.
the A7 S3 seems overhyped as hell when you get almost the same performance from the S5.
btw can you recommend a good lens for video on the S5?
That sounds like a plan! 👌🏻🎥
I’m reviewing the Lumix prime lens lineup very soon but they’re all great. Also got an affordable cine lens review on the way too so stay tuned for that. 🤩🎥 thanks for watching. In the meantime, this lens video may help - ruclips.net/video/XAMZx0vbNYU/видео.html
Personally, I think the Sony only wins in the AF and HFR, The Lumix S5 wins in all other areas including image quality. The IBIS is way better on the S5 than you reported it.
I totally agree with you!
I have the A7siii and had the S5 briefly. Honestly they are not even close... The EVF on the Panasonic is such low resolution that you cannot tell if something is in focus. The video quality at 30 pfs is comparable, I expected the S5 to be sharper, but no. The IBIS is somewhat better on the Panasonic, but not by much. For high frame rates there is no contest. The A7siii is just a reliable workhorse with amazing autofocus. I was SOOO happy to send the S5 back. The S5 is not worth more than the current asking price, it is several generations behind, severely crippled and not a bargain at all. Get the S1 instead with better IBIS and actually usable EVF.
Aye up, are you a Notts or Leicester lad? Loved this video because I've got to say I agree with pretty much everything, including your accent. I bought the A7S3 and an A7RV, but..... I miss the Panny. Note to self, must stop googling the S5ii..... repeat after me.... you don't need another camera
Camera B looks much more detailed, I’m a A7siii user so a bit anxious at finding out which it is! 😂
i d love to see your filming set up, how you expose vlog etc... i mean if you have nt got any other comparisons :D
I’ll work on that. Thank you 🤩🎥🙏🏻
This was helpful to me as I'm just transitioning into video from still photography and I'm looking at both options for my first full frame mirrorless. Definitely leaning towards the S5 now.
Amazing camera! 🤩👌🏻🎥 I also have many other videos on my channel about the S5 that may help including a setup guide
Great video! Which lens did you use for the s5? And did you use the same lens for both camera?
Hi. Thank you. I use the kit lens 20-60, 24, 35, 50, and 85. Check this video to see them in action - ruclips.net/video/fQPseMCHbNw/видео.html
@@SamHolland cool thanks!
What lens did you use on the A7Siii? Did you use the Sony FE 2.8 24-70 GM that's briefly visible in the video? Sorry if you mentioned it and I missed it. Great video!!!
Hi. Thanks. It was the 16-35 G master 🤩🙏🏻🎥
@Text me on telegram👉@SamHolland01 Hi, not sure if this is going where expected...I hope so! Thanks!
Is the lens choice doesn't have any impact in the review ? Would have like a mention about this.
Great ans informative video anyway :)
Yeh it’s hard because you can’t directly compare cameras with the same lenses because then you’d have to use an adapter which would alter it again. Maybe cine lenses would be a good option, however, what I have done is compare the tools you’d use if you bought those cameras. Hope this makes sense
Great video, thanks
For $1500 right now, the S5 is an awesome deal. The AF is lagging but good enough.
I find it odd that the A7Siii is a bit sharper than the S5 since the S5 is downscaling from 6K for extra sharpness and the Sony is just a 4K camera. Which makes me think that the sharpness on the Sony cannot be fully turned off, same thing happens with the noise reduction on the Sony making the high ISO shots mushier than the Panasonic.
You can actually set ur sharpness to -1 in s5..disabling all post sharpness while sony you cant go below 1. Maybe that's why, also it depends a lot on the lens. My sigma was way sharper than my pana 85mm..
I just wish next firmware update would include 6k or 5k video. Otherwise very happy with my s5. Like you mentioned, a fraction of the cost of the a7siii. Not reallly bothered with the autofocus. Still waiting on S1hii, with 8k video, then I might upgrade. Then again a moot point, as almost no 8k monitors available right now. But plenty of tv's! 8k seems a bit more future proofed though.
Lumix is special when it comes to video. I only use my sony for pictures
I own both. Well - the Sony is the FX3 but that makes no difference. The Sony is the better camera for sure except for ibis . But - I constantly use both. The FX3 is rigged up and the S5 just like it is. So I use them in different situations. Regarding bang for the buck there is no other camera even close to the S5. Love it. The image from the Sony is more pleasing and sort of filmic. But you can easily match both cameras and just a few will notice. Only thing I would love - being. Able to adapt m Sony glass to L mount 😂
Hey! Make a tutorial how to make voice sound so good like in your videos! Its so crispy !!!
Thank you. Here’s a video - ruclips.net/video/GOcmq-swnmM/видео.html
I also have FCPX and Premiere Pro audio presets on my website. There is a link in the description 🙏🏻🎥 hope this helps
Congratulations for the great video my brother, A year ago I bought the Lumix S5 and it really is my best choice, I love this camera for everything it delivers and for the excellent price, I recently bought a lumix 35mm 1.8 lens and I could have even better images, not to mention that for photos the s5 has the advantage for delivering photos with 24 mgpixes, finally loving the s5, but 2 months ago I got the Sony a7iv and I'm impressed with everything this camera produces, especially the autofocus in video lol, Congratulations Panasonic and sony for the great work.
Thank you! 🤩🎥🙏🏻
So which one you recommend? S5 or A7IV for hybrid video/photo use?
@@sergiypervun both are great for photos and videos, but if you're going to use autofocus and you don't like to use manual focus for video, the sony a7vi has the best auto focus at the moment, another interesting thing that sony offers is that you can use one variety of cheaper lenses.
I am very happy with my S5 :)
Hey man, good videos!
So, Even though you've had the Sony and Canon latest and greatest, you still feel the S5 wins? You seemed really sold on the RF lens system too... The S5 is much more affordable, but I just wish the AF was a bit better..
Do you have multiple cams or are you now purely S5? Cheers
Hey thank you 🙏🏻
Yeah I love the Canon cameras so much for the way they work and the colours but for me the S5 has such a great image and colours. The system is a little clunky (not as fast touch screen etc) BUT in terms of the image I was looking for, this has it.
And yes, I’m purely on the S5 now and I don’t feel like I’m missing anything at all 🤩
Thanks for watching. Hope this helps 🎥
@@SamHolland cheers dude!
Wish people would focus on the camera’s primary use- stills.
Great job 👏
s5 and spend the rest on the rig. No one's going to be using batteries for main video shoots anyways... you'll always need the rig with v-mount battery imo.
Just a happy ZCAM and Pocket 4K user coming through :-).
I wanna try the z cam
So I was suspecting B might be Sony from that clinically clean image at 0:12 , but the massive IBIS difference in 0:14 (and then at 1:34) made it pretty clear to me. Ha! I was right. Do I win the (clearly superior :P ) S5? Although come to think of it, wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it to the A7IV? With the S5 being a hybrid and all (and people keep forgetting this)
Edit: Well I think it's hilarious that the famous Sony AF missed focus at 9:00 and Lumix DFD AF of horrors was fine... unless you were manual focusing anyway.
You get basicly almost 2 S5s almost same Price you get on Sony . IT all comes to If you like manual Focus shooting. . i love making music videos with manually... But dance videos etc af is very easy ...