There's HOPE for everyone (Talking insomnia
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- When Jonathan found himself in the battle of his life, he was lucky to have also found the way out early. However, what he didn't find was a story of someone who like himself often went many days on zero sleep.
In this episode, Jonathan share's his story so that anyone recognizing themselves can know that there IS hope for anyone willing to take the inner journey.
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- The Insomnia Immunity Group Coaching Program.
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- Zoom based 1:1 coaching with Coach Michelle or Coach Daniel.
The Insomnia Immunity program is perfect if you like learning through video and want to join a group on your journey towards sleeping well.
BedTyme is ideal if you like to learn via text and have a sleep coach in your pocket.
The 1:1 Zoom based program is for you if you like to connect one on one with someone who has been where you are now.
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Do you like learning by reading? If so, here are two books that offer breakthroughs!
Tales of Courage by Daniel Erichsen
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Set it & Forget it by Daniel Erichsen
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Not sure where to start on your path to sleeping well? Check out these playlists!
This is natto - the perfect place to start learning!
• This is Natto - Start ...
Success stories - if you need hope and inspiration, this is for you.
• Success stories
Insomnia insight - a list of every single episode.
• Playlist
Talking insomnia - guests with trouble sleeping or experts share their stories / tips.
• Talking insomnia
Hypnic jerks, hypnic awareness and other common issues.
• Hypnic jerks and more.
Fatal insomnia - for those concerned about ffi and sfi.
• Familial and sporadic ...
Speed bumps - when you think you had a setback or “relapse.”
• Talking insomnia #55: ...
Unrefreshing sleep - when you always feel tired or exhausted.
• Unrefreshing sleep
Momsomnia - if you’re a mom or becoming a mom.
• Momsomnia
Health and sleep- if you’ve worried about health consequences of not sleeping.
• Playlist
Best!
This content does not constitute medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment, and should never replace any advice given to you by your physician or other qualified healthcare providers. 
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Try to join but $250 per month is not affordable for me. My monthly income is Rs.20000. 😂 I wish there is insomnia coach in India as well. People like me who hardly afford for CBTi will remain insomnia forever and have to depend on psychiatrist medicine .
Totally understand and one day I hope someone will start coaching from India, that way they could charge something much more affordable. In the meantime, we put out a lot of free content that hopefully will lead you to where you want to be 😊
I went 4 nights without sleep 2 weeks ago. First time ever in my 10 year journey with insomnia. Found this channel 2 days ago. What I suggest: in the evening try walking barefoot on earth, grass, sand. Even lie on it if possible, about 10-15 min, or more if you like. During the day do something you like to do: riding a bike, dancing, singing, drawing, reading, any hobby that you enjoy.
Hi there,
Sorry to hear about the struggle bus. So glad that you were here. Welcome 😊
I can totally relate. One of the best episodes
I totally relate to most of this! I too go so many days with zero sleep and fantasize about the past and how great just a normal day was!
Hey Angela, so glad you caught this episode and related 🙂
Angela how are you now ... I've gone now about 2 months with not much sleep most nights feel like zero sleep... It sucks ):
@@mrfernandog123 not much better unfortunately, some weeks are ok, last week I slept 5 out of 7 nights which was really good, this week only 2! So just very back and forth, but I don’t go quite as many nights as I used to without sleep so I guess that’s a positive. But still struggling.
Do you get 0 sleep? I have had two nights in 2 weeks with 0 sleep even with hardcore sleep aids. My anxiety is so high that I just can’t go to sleep. The next day my body gets so exhausted that I pass out but wake up every few hours
@@Amyyp0518 yes zero sleep for many nights unfortunately. Not fun. But sleep eventually always comes I’ve learned. So I don’t go as many nights as I used to, still have hyperarousel but a little less than it used to be.
It would be great to have more insight on zero sleep. Not it took hours but I finally fell asleep but when days and days go by.
Yes will continue exploring topics like this
Amazing video!!! Such an awesome story
So so glad you found it 🙂!
Wow I was fantasizing the "old good times" when I was at the worse too. I took metrazapine too and couple months back and it helped me out.
Thanks for sharing your story, Jonathan. Coincidentally, this is very timely for me. I have OCD which had complicated my use of Daniel's program this past week. I started experiencing insomnia back in March/April 2022 and was fortunate enough to find this channel in mid-April. I had a typical progression of improvement similar to other stories on this channel until this past week. I've been doing self guided OCD treatment without medication and I have begun to suspect the neurobiological basis for the OCD in me is too strong to go without medication. My OCD had really caused me to doubt everything with this speed bump... if Daniel's program can really work among other things. I agree with your psychiatrist that anyone with moderate to severe OCD needs medication in concert with a behavioral therapy protocol. The OCD just instills too much doubt biologically. It becomes virtually impossible not to obsess about it once your base level on anxiety starts creeping up with each sleepless night and you start to doubt yourself more and more. I am now scheduling an appointment with a therapist for a diagnosis and OCD treatment protocol with medication.
Again, thank you so much for sharing.
Hey Chris what does OCD look like for you? I am not sure if I have it or not. Don’t really care about labels too much but ya I am a very passionate/obsessive person in general. When I get into something I really go all in,, etc. I do find myself obsessing about sleep but idk if that’s OCD per se?. I’ve had a lot of severe struggles these past months. Multiple 0 nights a week. Which just further compounds my struggle. I was once out of the struggle but now I find myself deeply in it :/. Trying to follow Daniels advice seems like it backfires a lot cause I end up thinking “oh is it working yet…? “ obsessiveLy… blah blah blah .ya idk. Much love to everyone going through this.
Hi Chris, I have OCD too and I’m dealing with the same issue. I logically get everything in Daniel’s program but the obsession about sleep is just too overwhelming and overpowering. If you don’t mind me asking, what medication helped you? I’ve been on Cymbalta for 8 years but I might be adding something to it soon because the ocd is getting out of control.
@@HannahLuciaHey Hannah 👋 Oh wow, I forgot I posted this. Well, I was definitely having a moment when I wrote this comment. I ended up not discussing medication with any OCD specialists, but I did continue working Daniel's NATTO approach and also working my own independent OCD treatment. A big turning point for me came when I was watching a channel called OCD Mindful and the guy there Brian said that he looked forward to OCD episodes or spikes because it was an opportunity to get better at treatment. Behavioral treatment for OCD means cutting out all rituals/compulsions and accepting uncertainty. Daniel has another video similar to this where he points out that people can have their initial relief that they get when they find Daniel's channel and sleep well for weeks, months, even over a year before having a tough night and suddenly being confronted with the same distressing feelings associated with insomnia all over again. It's only when you're "exposed" to sleeplessness at night where you can enploy the NATTO method to help recover bit by bit.
I began really leaning into all that we learn in OCD treatment and NATTO to radically accept the emotions that accompany uncertainty. Or with the insomnia, just accept my emotions and continue befriending wakefulness. So yeah, I'm not on medication and my day to day with OCD and the sleep stuff is all good now and has been for awhile. I hope this helps. You got this ❤
Thank you coach for sharing this story. As someone with long term anxiety and sleep issues I empathize. Daniel, you have now many youtube videos and you have also written many books. Can yoy direct us to the most important ones that summarize the essential principles of your schools current view of how to deal with chronic insomnia? My fealing after watching to several of your videos is really the ACT method of accepting, giving up the struggle and living a valuef life. Most grateful.
Anytime 😊 check the This is Natto playlist, that’s the one
Thank you for sharing this story. So... Now I know I'm not the only one suffering this kind of insomnia. I always read and hear stories about people not able to sleep enough hours, but I always tought I was the only one with episodes of insomnia where I can't even sleep One minute, literally... sometimes 48 straight without sleep. In my case, this happens to me a couple of times every year, Thank God not always. The problem is when I have a day with Zero sleep, the next day my stress is too much thinking I won't be able to sleep again. So.. Daniel, do you think this is another type of insomnia?
You’re so welcome, this is exactly why Jonathan wanted to come on, and it’s all the same, just various ways we experience fear
@@thesleepcoachschool8192 I thank God for your Channel, Daniel! You're right... this is the same, but different fear. You are the first channel talking about this Zero Sleep. This is exactly what I experienced. Maybe nobody talked about this because isn't common. In my experience, I was awake for 3 days in a row, 72 hours, but the first time this happened to me was so hard because I was having Hypnic Jerks. I experienced Hypnic Jerks due to the stress of thinking that maybe I won't be able to sleep again. So, every time I was falling sleep, these Hypnic Jerks kept me awake. In my case, those Hypnic Jerks consisted in little and harmless twitches in my hands, arms, legs, head... everywhere! but only when I was about falling sleep. But then, I knew those Hypnic Jerks were the result of my EXTREME stress and anxiety of thinking I could never sleep again. I always rejected sleeping pills... I know that our body has the ability to sleep on its own. When I have this episodes of Zero Sleep , I don't have Hypnik Jerks anymore because I can control my anxiety and stress better.
So glad you’re here 😊
thank you so much for video🙏
i went through 1 one year with zero sleep
i always having sleeping anxity in my mind wherever i go, whatever i do.
your channel alleviating my pain and struggling for sleep
i never know till now that how is day time sleep......
You got it Naresh, you’ll see things get easier thanks to your heart work
@Camille M. Martinez I think he's trying to say 1 year having this episodes with Zero Sleep, not all days. Zero Sleep means episodes staying awake for days in a row.
A full 365 consecutive days with zero sleep? I have probably misunderstood. 🤔
Hi, is there any update with Jonathan or any way to contact him? I have really bad OCD and I just started mirtazapine.
I have been dealing with insomnia for years. I don’t know how a person even gets ivermectin it. I’m hoping starting your book will help. Also, what videos do you recommend I listen to first?
You know Amy, those you hear from who left the struggle, they also wondered how that was possible.. and I’d say the This is Natto playlist linked to in the description of any new video, that’s a great place to start
I've been going nights without sleep it seen like every week and it's been going on for five weeks
Hang in there Donald
@@thesleepcoachschool8192 I'm trying to
I've been going 2 months no sleep... Hpw are you now??
Hi Danielle, just wondering I’ve been on z drugs for quite a while, do you have any stories of people that have successfully come off sleep meds and gotten back to decent sleep? That would be a great episode if you did
Hi Bob, I've got off sleep medicines. It was scary, but I swapped them with magnesium. It was tough but I got there.
Hi Bon, Jim is one who got of benzodiazepines but there are many more, many who got off a drugs just browse the talking insomnia episodes
@@Theharpsabu what type of magnesium
@@pedroribeiro7594 magnesium citrate. Helps calm you down apparently. I use them anyway.
@@TheharpsabuHi how did you get off the meds? how did your nights look like?and how long were you on it? Need some insights too
Not great :) Now I feel I have to go on medication to be cured...
My insomnia trigger story was very much exactly like Jonathan's
I'm super glad his sleep is back to normal. But that remeron is nasty stuff I was on it it helped for the moment but it stopped working. And made up my mind absolutely no pills or supplements my sleep is right now far from what it was I get 4 or 5 right now but very slowly getting better but doctors had me on a crazy amount of pills just made it all worse .just get off the remeron do it all natural I'm in a very very slow recovery it sucks but the feeling u have on meds compared to natural is night and day . I'm praying mine gets back to normal soon but it's been a long 2 years from what it was when it started days and days 0 sleep and to get 3 and 4 hrs and sometimes 5 or 6 I'm blessed to get that for now .just set it and forget it.
Me too, and I’m glad things are getting easier for you also
I dont think that is very helpful to tell someone to get off their meds, especially if they are dealing with anxiety Dale. That may be how you feel but others may need medication for other reasons.
@@pamw3238 maybe so but I've had it all and all pills do is throw a bandage on it . The mind is a very powerful tool. Anyone can come off pills and be perfectly fine you just have to wanna be fine .sorry if I pushed any buttons but over my anxiety and insomnia all I saw was doctors after doctors push pills and meds on me and others instead of fixing the root cause of it .
@@dalebarr4339 I understand what your saying.
I think maybe when I heard Jonathan say the mirtazapine eased his anxiety, that is what that prescription is for so in that case it's working for him. I wish you recovery as well, it sounds like your on a good path, wishing you the best.😊
@@pamw3238 thanks it's a very slow process.
Thank you, Jonathan, for crediting your girlfriend’s contribution with your return to “normal” life, and thank you for the implied reminder to pull Viktor Frankl’s books out of the library shelves now and then. I wonder if you have already come across Mark Epstein’s ‘The Trauma of Everyday Life’? In any case, best wishes for your ongoing journey, 😘 ❤ ✌️ ❗️
And also I think. Five weeks. Why is that something wow that’s need an interview. Ok a few years. Strengt through five weeks of insomnia. Just getting a baby gives a woman one year of insomnia. My baby woke where 20 minutes every night for one year.
We have guests here who have had trouble sleeping for decades and for weeks and, the thing that is so helpful to see is that the teaching is always the same… really for all inner struggles..
In case you didn't notice, Anna, this is not the oppresion olympics. 😂 I guess having a baby of your own didn't give you extra brain cells.
Relatable
Glad to hear 🙂
Listening to this didn’t make me feel good. It seems he solved his insomnia with medication. That makes me feel like maybe that’s the only way I’m going to free myself as well :(
Hang in there, we can learn from everything we experience, including seeing a common fear in ourselves. And I think if we aren’t judging ourselves for taking medication, then we could see this as freedom, no pressure
@@alberttrotter3938 that’s exactly why I never started. I heard too many stories of it just stopping working, so it’s just delaying the inevitable
@alberttrotter3938 hang in there Albert. We sometimes have “Life after insomnia” episodes where we talk to guests a year or more later, maybe Jonathan will reach out so we can hear his story
I just have a feeling that Jonathan is doing just fine now.