One of the signs you are being laid off is that the company is taking adverse actions against you. I got called into meetings where I was yelled at and blamed for things I had no control over. This involves things like placing you on a PIP and/or screaming at you in meetings all the time. This has happened to me a lot by bad bosses. They got angry when I outed them for it. One place I worked had everyone in the department quit. Another sign was when the company distributes the work or list of people, you are not on it. I experienced this first hand. People who get laid off need to keep all their emails because employers will do anything to get out of paying unemployment. This is why people need to not be nice to employers anymore. There is no loyalty to anyone anymore.
I'm a forecast analyst for a consumer packaged goods company, and my role supports production and sales. I basically try to predict the future and inform stakeholders of upcoming product movement, and potential demand and supply constraints. *I was recently not laid off*, and I think I know exactly why. I had been spending my leisure time learning Excel functions and how to create graphs, reports, and dashboards. I had been applying these learned concepts into my weekly reports and team meetings. Other members in my team did not have this knowledge. I think this was the only reason I avoided the axe. So good luck and do yourself a favor - expand your scope, knowledge, and skillset.
Congrats. I learned this when I was laid off the first time in my life.... I continue to stand out each chance I get and learn everyday to shine so much that is hard not to be noticed.
Cool story. On the other hand, I was not axed because of my relationship with my boss. The saying "it is not what you know, it is who you know" is so true ;))
I got laid off only 1 time in my life from a job that led me nowhere and that I hated going to every morning at 7:30am. That is a totally stupid hour to start work. They gave me 6 weeks notice, and I made crazy OT (had nice bosses). The hast day was like graduation or release from prison. I was so happy! Then went on to collect 18 months unemployment while going to school at night. I was 26 and debt free. Life was simpler then.
Quiet quitting is a result of bad management and corporate structures which abuse and do not compensate their employees properly. Besides menial pay, why should an employee give a crap about a company that doesn't give a crap about them?
I agree.... recently I asked for some accommodation due to a home event that needed my attention and I was told no and that there were no exceptions. I accepted that and just went forward knowing that I would be able to return the favor.... low and behold, the person that was supposed to make the company shine is lacking and budgets are not being met...I was asked to assist and "do" their job. I told them to pound sand and that there were no exceptions... I will take my skillset and resources somewhere else... good thing that I am set for a good time so no need to worry about a job....
I got laid off. even though I got one of the best performace reviews. It was just because they didn't plan well. I had no idea we weren't selling enough to keep the lights on.
The job market is really strange now. Seems like things change by the hour. The only consistent thing is that every change is never beneficial to the employee.
The non-critical job type is very true. In the department that I was in my last job, I was the only one whose job does not bring revenue to the department (and rather incur expenses as my job involves sending equipment to external vendors for servicing) and when they need to cut expenses and headcount I am the first one to be axed.
If you sense a laid off wave coming, you start looking for a new job in a stable place instantly. Otherwise, it will not end well for you. You either loose your job or do the job of several people in a place that is going nowhere fast.
I was laid off a couple of months ago and some of these applied. My work was redistributed, it was cut back, i lacked visibility. I felt i wasn't being appreciated and pushed out so i did increase my workload and started doing stuff outside my scope but the damage was done. My boss was reluctant to give me praise (she was an idiot who didnt know jack about our team and most likely couldn't do our work either). I did start to apply for other jobs in my last month, but it should have happened way sooner. Getting interviews but nothing has materialized yet but it served as a wake-up call to never stay stagnant at a company
I work in real estate title insurance, and it's a blood bath. We lost about 2/3 of our company. Im still here after 3-4 layoffs. We are basically helping run 3 departments as one. It's terrible. I've already locked down another job and am just waiting until my job until the other starts.
It's not terrible, it's real estate reverting back to normal. Same thing is happening with many realtors no longer in the RE game because they are too lazy to work for leads or actually SELL a house. As someone who has been in the RE game for years, I say good riddance.
All ways have backburner jobs, allways be job searching , lining up interviews at the slightest whiff if a bad wind coming. Try to get another skillset to fall back on, get qualified in something else, truck driver licence, or security guard training.
Prior to a major layoff in 2008, my boss started playing weird games with her reports, like beginning a meeting with an ice-breaker question asking what our biggest challenge of childhood was, or giving us a few days to spend $300k on individual purchases worth $10-20. She cut her team by 2/3. I survived by being transferred to manage a department known for being where the misfits got sent. One of my colleagues was a total suckup, and his workload was tripled, and he was put in charge of my area, which being someone who had gotten by in life by being a suckup, didn't really suit him. I left after 6 months, and he left soon after. At no time was anyone consulted or questioned about skills or interests. We were just pieces on a chessboard.
Sometimes KPIs don’t even measure well your actual work output quality/value. Make sure your KPIs are aligned with what’s good for business, because if your manager didn’t define relevant KPIs for you, even if you achieve good values for those bad KPIs, you might still get the axe.
I work for a very large Healthcare Insurance Company. They have farmed a lot of our positions overseas. I hope that my name is on the list. The way that they have been treating the stateside staff is horrible. Ironically, they offer the worst medical benefits.
Don't focus on layoff, I made myself prepared by switching jobs without offer. I used to go on vacation,spend some time with family and refresh yourself. If you are good at your work then companies hire you even after 2-3 months break.
There's also another factor I think that can determine if you're more or less likely to be let go: seniority. In other words, if there are two people making about the same money with the same experience, and performing at the same level, and one has been with the company 20 years and the other only 3 years, the employee with 3 years is cheaper to let go of than the one with 20 years experience. Maybe I'm wrong. Edit: To clarify, it is cheaper to get rid of the person with 3 years seniority because if you lay someone off, you need to give them a week pay for each year worked and 3 weeks of pay is less than 20 weeks of pay.
Seniority is not the issue. The issue is why 3 years employee can do what 20 years veteran does in the job. 20 years experience means nothing at this point. it is just task filers.
@@turtlex4866 Sorry, I think my brain was mush when I wrote my original post. I agree that experience is just a number and some people who have "20 years experience" really have "1 year experience" 20 times. The part I neglected to mention was that it is cheaper to get rid of the 3 year seniority because if you lay someone off, you need to give them a week pay for each year worked.
If someone with 3 year's experience is being paid the same as someone with 20, either the 20-year employee has not grown in their job over the last 17 and needs to go, or the 3-year employee was hired on at way too high a salary (probably due to market conditions allowing people to get jobs above their skill level). As presented, it will be a toss-up as to who gets canned. The severance comes out of a separate bucket of money, written off on the company's taxes, so it is really not a factor.
If someone who has been working for a company for 20 years and 1 for 3 years I've found that the one who has been with the company for 20 years gets laid off first, especially when the one with 3 years experience is younger. It's ageist but it does happen.
When I worked at Samsung, just about all the top performers got laid-off!! We made too much per hour or salary wise and they did not want to pay us our worth.
Are “reps” revenue generating? If you mean “sales reps” and they don’t sell “in a current cycle” they may be an endangered species in a slow market (like thee one we have in late-2023) and may not be bad people
@@BigTimeRockFan when I wrote this in 2022, I was talking about sales reps who hit or exceeded their quota in 2022. Hard to say with 2023. A much smaller number probably hit their quota this year.
@@andrewb3234 the “what have you done for me lately” is now cut throat management (that think they aren’t next) and hiring inexperienced resources with unlimited leash no matter their performance is now the “deal of the day” at large corporations
Nurses get laid off too, especially if your on the high end of wages. I know too well. Even if performance is good and your busting your ass. Usually that's because the company is losing money.
I got fired for being truthful. I was first called into the office, I drive truck, and we did local hauling. So my truck kept breaking down, and I asked for a different truck, I was told yes and 2 new guys got 1st dibs? My truck had mice, it was dirty when I 1st got it. So my truck needed a repairs and I was told I wasn't being honest with my hours. But I got the mechanic to sign my log book always, each time it was getting fixed. So I was fired on Nov 22nd, I wasn't given my full hours, and now I am being told I was laid off and not fired? They are totally gaslighting me. They really screwed me over.
If a company is being smart about their layoff strategy, they will take into account performance. In my experience, it was purely a cost cutting excercise. The most experienced (hence most expensive) had to go and half of the juniors (the rest) got to stay. Not sure how this will work out in the future. Only time will tell.
Another thing to consider is if your job role allows your company to have "license to operate". Regulatory compliance doesn't generate revenue, but it allows the company to conduct the activities that generate revenue.
I'd like to get laid off.... It'd be a nice vacation from the crap I deal with everyday. Could take some time to get projects done and focus on what I value in life.
I just accepted a voluntary lay-off package. I have no bills (no mortgage, no car payments, wife with benefits through her job, lots of money in the bank, a generous severance, etc.) I may be able to double-dip at a new job, or just take a break for a while. Set yourself up financially and wait them out. Hopefully you get what you want.
Bryn: As a long time viewer of your channel. Solid insights. Layoffs have a direct impact on the organizational psychology moving forward. Prof. I think this is the time to invest as you noted skills that may you more marketable. Good career coaching. Thanks.
At my company we have a manager that started giving all is reporters low KPIs scores. Little by little they started firing themselves. The few reporters that remained got layed off. If your manager gives you low KPIs scores and he is not available to help you improve, leave the company as soon as possible
Scary to see how quickly the job market has turned. Quiet Quitters need to ramp up performance so as not to be the slow one in the pack. Best thing is to keep working at alternative income streams so you are not at the mercy of a single employer.
@@xephael3485 ... Or they have over performed for years with no reward apart being allowed to keep their current salary level while having to do more work for the same pay.
Not me but my partner thinks he is at risk of a lay-off as his shifts have been reduced and he is being compared to others in his department. I told him, all you can do is your best as he is following their procedures for doing the job but for some reason others can get better results? But anyway, he's been asking for feedback but hasn't got any, all he's been told is he's doing fine. If they really are considering laying him off why not try giving honest feedback? That's how we improve. If that's the case, it looks like piss poor management skills
I saw mine when they trained 3 other people for my position 4 months before layoff. Even the boss came to ask the person to train those 3 specifically, whereas, they never trained me for the position. I had to learned on my own without receiving any help or guidance
Hate to say I have the opposite problem. I’m pulled into multiple roles in multiple business units that I can’t possibly deliver against. Despite raising my concerns the feedback is radio silence. So I’m in an impossible position where I’m set up for failure and only see resigning as the only option. Strange as I’ve done great work but doing three roles is just not possible
Oh quit with that BS... Breaking into the tech field is easy, you have to get general skills, and not the crap that they teach you in school. Plenty of places are hiring but make sure it's a place you want to work for.
@@xephael3485 This is just not true. Have you tried applying to these places? They are usually scams posing as jobs. It is exhausting. I live in Seattle with a stem degree, several tech skills and a tech internship on my resume, been looking for months. If you really have all the secrets, go ahead and tell me so I can use it and spread the word but I have applied to hundreds of positions and only hear back for scams usually, and never even an in person interview. I have also used referrals and tried contacting a recruiter directly. There are mass hiring freezes.
@@crystalnelson314 what profession are you looking to get into? I've been on interviews with plenty of people from the hiring side. Had one scheduled today but they didn't show up to it.
@ghost mall That's true and I have been applying to other places as well, even mostly. But then when I hear back, it's almost always a waste of time scam. A lot of places try to sell bootcamps as jobs for example by giving estimates of what you could possibly make after doing it (but you have to pay them first) or other similar scams preying on people. They use incomprehensible recruiters and broken english, prey on your confusion. It makes me want to almost fully give up.
@@xephael3485 I am open to, applying to different ones but mostly looking at data analyst/scientist/engineer and software/web developer. Are you really hiring people with little to no experience? If you are, then kudos but that is not common, certainly not as much as it was before. Plus a lot of places now rescind offers after giving them, even otherwise legitimate places.
Interesting thing is that I am in the process of replacing myself with code. At least in part. At first, it made me nervous because of the possibility of being let go, but all other indications said that they wanted to free me up to use more of my hard-to-replace skills.
I'm sure that is what they are saying... My 30 years in Corporate America has proven that once you either train someone to do you job, or automate it - you are gone.
@@billybeemus3929 I've been in corporate America for that long too. I've always tried to make myself replaceable. That just seems to make them more eager to keep me. Maybe you've been working for the wrong companies?
@@johnburr9463 There are good companies out there. But there are many more bad ones. Bad managers/execs, really. If your company is treating you right, never leave. It is unlikely you will find another that treats you that way.
@@billybeemus3929 I had to stick my neck out a couple of times to help my company change its culture. It started out good but some not so good folks climbed the ladders a bit high and it took years of patience to get them removed. But during that battle, part of the reason I was able to stay around while they were eventually ousted was because of the connections and teamwork I demonstrated throughout my employment. I was able to say that I was FOR the company and bee believed.
i worked at a furniture store handling the payments and documents, I started out as a part time worker in my last semester of College. After i was done with school I stayed at the store as it was calm, fun, and I worked with nice people. After my co-worker went on medical leave I was asked to work a full time shift and I agreed with no issue, after about a month I was asked if it was ok to make it official and said ok (literally). I worked for about another 9 months when they said they would be cutting my hours, Still full time and I was ok with it. Then a week later they said i would be forced to go back to part time. I was sad but I was going to work for another year while I look for a bigger job. Cut to 2 weeks later, asked to come in at 9am (2 hours before my shift and thinking it was the store manager officially telling us he was retiring) I as well as my direct co-workers were told 1 by 1 that our positions were being eliminated across the board. We all were having issues we were dealing with and this compounded it even more. The co-worker that was on medical leave came back not long before this and their boyfriend works there and my other co-worker's sister works as a partner company thats inside the store. When I went back to get service for a product i paid for the summer prior, the most senior one was called back cause they knew our system like the back of their hand. I was asked to come back, but as a Sales Person when they know full well that I'm not a sales person, I know the system and how the sales process works but im not coming back for a commission only job
Hi Brian, Can you do a video on climbing the ladder in individual contributor roles? Some people don’t want to be a manager like myself. I want to know how to make more money without the manager route
You have to sharp your skills every two years to learn industrial top demanding skills for your role. You can stay in senior staff level forever but you have to make sure that the value your bring to the table is way better than random new hire.
Learn how to read your boss and their boss and figure out what is important to them. Only focus on those tasks that make them look good and further their agenda. There will always be other people around you willing to do the hard work, you need to focus on visibility. Become friends with management layer, not your coworkers. Your peers will resent you, but it is not about them. You do what is right for you.
I remember working in a temp-to-hire position. My fellow employees became less friendly. One day I went to ask someone a question, and, NO ONE was there! They were all in a meeting, and I was not invited! Sure enough, I was let go within weeks.
Paradoxically in Twitter it is entirely possible that positions which were considered non mission critical a few weeks ago, have actually become much more valuable. It certainly seems that the company needs recruiters . Great video ! Best........😊
A friend of mine was going for his MBA degree online on his own time and he had no plans to quit as he was already doing the work of a director while working as a manager and he wanted to get his MBA to match his responsibilities. When the company found out that he was going for his MBA, they fired him. The reason was that the company wanted to let him go rather than pay him the higher salary that an MBA demands. So since I am starting my MBA next month, should I keep it a secret so I can keep my job because my manager doesn't have one?
I would keep it to yourself. If you manager does not have one, you are in his way. And the human factor, envy. Keep it to yourself and play quiet. Low profile.
It's none of your employers business knowing what you do in your spare time as long as it is not in violation of company policy, so no reason to inform them at all. Just do the thing, get the degree, use the skills and maybe bring up the fact that you've been using these skills to provide X value at the company next time you have salary negotiations or promotion talks. If they won't pay more for your expanded skill set / won't consider you for promotion, you know what to do.
The less they know the better. In a world of the digital age and constant spying where companies are no longer loyal, one must keep their life outside of work private. For starters never ever give your personal cell number to your employer, better yet get yourself a cheap burner or cricket phone and use it for just work and at the end of the day put it inside a tin lid container.
well here’s my story: CSR in a freezer warehouse hurricane caused alotta damage to corporate new girl who happen to be a friend of the dock supervisor and flirtatious came in about 3-6 months before my layoff. me and the GM trained her. idk how much she got paid but i jumped from 15 to 20 per hour after a year. i earned it tho. went way above my job title. we moved from a small warehouse with 3 of us w/ little clientele to a big warehouse with full staff and huge clientele because of the change i had to stick to my title and keep up in the office i made a couple mistakes and had talks with GM but never disciplined, written up etc. he always told me it’s ok and seemed understanding about mistakes happening here and there. some of the data entry the president was having us try hardest to push on the client cause it’s so time consuming. i had 1 incident when a manager/ coworker made a disrespectful offensive joke in front of everyone. it was ongoing but i let it slide till that one day. i snapped and told him he going too far and this ends here. nothing happened as far as disciplinary action and he did stop after the incident. i was always doing OT but it was days b when i left ON TIME, ofc ppl would make jokes about it but the girl was there for 2nd shift and if my work is complete i leave on time. emails are not my concern after hours when i leave. so after all this i was laid off via email a month before my 2 years. i did get my vacation time paid out but that’s all. the email stated because of hurricane impact, company had to downsize and my termination is in action immediately. should i have seen this coming? 2 months later still struggling to find a job that pays but recent got a recommendation letter from corporate
Say nothing, but drag the "training" out as long as possible while looking for and moving to a new job as quickly as possible. Unless they are offering a very substantial severance package at the end of the knowledge transfer, you are just being used and will soon be discarded.
That's a generous way of framing the situation. But consider that if management really needed the labor, they'd find a way to pay enough salary to attract candidates. So either you have a cheapskate employer or the company is going down the shitter.
My company ask me to train a few others to do work that currently only I do. They covered for me for a few days when I was off, but haven't helped out since. I wonder what their plans are....
The minute your boss or other leadership start treating you different even in the slightest way or extremely formal is a huge sign that they are considering you!
Beware: SIDE HUSTLE INCOME CAN NEGATE YOUR ELIGIBILITY FOR UNEMPLOYMENT. Question: how many people can cover their essential monthly expenses with unemployment if they’re not living with mom and dad. Caution: Get the facts on your eligibility for unemployment AND what your unemployment payment would be BEFORE you count on it in blissful ignorance. BE PREPARED.
Last week my company announced via email at 4:50pm on a Wed night that they were laying off 25% of our workforce. We are a medium sized tech company. Layoff's to start that night. The next 3 days I was an anxious wreck. So far I am safe (I think). Not a great message from our new CEO (90 days in). Then a week later he wants to work on employees trusting management. Really??? I am ACTIVELY looking. Everyone who survived is just in shock and fear. Is that the way to run a company?? I work in the Finance dept and we are not making as much as they wanted but didn't think we were in that BAD of shape to have a drastic lay-off. Of course it hurt our stock price when the earnings call was next day announcing the lay-offs to the world.
Companies that lay people off because they don’t have “enough” money to pay their shareholders are companies that shouldn’t exist. If your a company that can’t pay their bills then yes layoffs must happen.
How did I end up on the spreadsheet? I got the layoff notice. My most recent appraisal went well, was hitting and exceeding my metrics, and I got laid off. The folks not up to snuff got to stay and they admitted they weren’t up to snuff in front of org leaders. I was doing projects and presentations. Can you do a list of reasons for those of us who do not fall into these?
I would like to point out; being asked to train someone and meeting with the boss' boss could mean something else. It could mean there are plans to promote or expand job role. One of the things I always do for my team, is to have job duties trained to the next level down and have responsibilities transferred in preparation to hand over new responsibilities to someone being tapped for a promotion.
No, it always means layoff if you are ask to just tell new employee whatever you know without stating any specific goal or direction. Just setting up to fail.
Been wondering what the latest update is if there is one on Twitter and Elon Musk's threat to employees that if they didn't agree literally by last Thursday to commit to "working long hours at high intensity" they would have to leave.
And if you can be cut out as you do nothing and have no purpose maybe that’s a sign Stating the obvious but maybe more importantly you could tell people how to be fine to quit and not work and that’s what I did and then just write about them they won’t appreciate it and you have no worry you can live without them I wouldn’t like to be any of my old comany CEO’s they might learn some things though!
Of course they do layoffs! They don't want to try anything else and the rich have divested themselves of the idea that they have a responsibility towards the society that made them rich (so: Noblesse oblige, but for the wealthy, not just aristocrats!)!
When the CEO says no layoffs will happen that is the TIME to start looking for a new JOB right away! Trust me- I learned this the hard way!
THAT IS VERY TRUE! MY FRIEND GOT LAID OFF RECENTLY AND SHE CANT FIND WORK
sorry to hear that! I am fortunate to have 2 job offers this week after 2 months of looking for work post-layoff@@GeosRealityReport
Your correct. Once your on the lay off list it's over. You could walk on water and raise the dead and you'll still get laid off.
Yup.
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A good sign too is having to endlessly prove your team's value to upper management. Soft cost analysis exercises should also be a warning.
This channel has taught me that the movie "Office Space" was actually a documentary.
One of the signs you are being laid off is that the company is taking adverse actions against you.
I got called into meetings where I was yelled at and blamed for things I had no control over.
This involves things like placing you on a PIP and/or screaming at you in meetings all the time. This has happened to me a lot by bad bosses. They got angry when I outed them for it. One place I worked had everyone in the department quit.
Another sign was when the company distributes the work or list of people, you are not on it. I experienced this first hand.
People who get laid off need to keep all their emails because employers will do anything to get out of paying unemployment.
This is why people need to not be nice to employers anymore. There is no loyalty to anyone anymore.
You must work at AWS. They are infamous for that
Totally true. Happened to me last year.
Exactly with the emails & even a log of what is going on
#1. Training new people to do your work, because YOU’RE moving up! Right? Wrong 😑 .
You can train people to do stuff but they're never going to be as good as the person who comes up with training usually...
Can you refuse ?
I'm a forecast analyst for a consumer packaged goods company, and my role supports production and sales. I basically try to predict the future and inform stakeholders of upcoming product movement, and potential demand and supply constraints. *I was recently not laid off*, and I think I know exactly why. I had been spending my leisure time learning Excel functions and how to create graphs, reports, and dashboards. I had been applying these learned concepts into my weekly reports and team meetings. Other members in my team did not have this knowledge. I think this was the only reason I avoided the axe. So good luck and do yourself a favor - expand your scope, knowledge, and skillset.
Congrats. I learned this when I was laid off the first time in my life.... I continue to stand out each chance I get and learn everyday to shine so much that is hard not to be noticed.
When layoff happens, your best friend is your coworker who is not productive than you.
Cool story. On the other hand, I was not axed because of my relationship with my boss. The saying "it is not what you know, it is who you know" is so true ;))
@@turtlex4866 not always the case, I got laid off for pointing out other lazy workers and poor production processes that wasted time and money 🤑🤑💰💰
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I got laid off only 1 time in my life from a job that led me nowhere and that I hated going to every morning at 7:30am. That is a totally stupid hour to start work. They gave me 6 weeks notice, and I made crazy OT (had nice bosses). The hast day was like graduation or release from prison. I was so happy! Then went on to collect 18 months unemployment while going to school at night. I was 26 and debt free. Life was simpler then.
Quiet quitting is a result of bad management and corporate structures which abuse and do not compensate their employees properly.
Besides menial pay, why should an employee give a crap about a company that doesn't give a crap about them?
I agree.... recently I asked for some accommodation due to a home event that needed my attention and I was told no and that there were no exceptions. I accepted that and just went forward knowing that I would be able to return the favor.... low and behold, the person that was supposed to make the company shine is lacking and budgets are not being met...I was asked to assist and "do" their job. I told them to pound sand and that there were no exceptions... I will take my skillset and resources somewhere else... good thing that I am set for a good time so no need to worry about a job....
Yep, and these highly paid low lives point fingers at you and say you are a lazy and unmotivated slacker as if you are the bad guy
I agree. Seems like companies (many of their head and senior executives being stuck in the 90s) haven't caught up with today's employees' mindset.
I got laid off. even though I got one of the best performace reviews. It was just because they didn't plan well. I had no idea we weren't selling enough to keep the lights on.
The job market is really strange now. Seems like things change by the hour. The only consistent thing is that every change is never beneficial to the employee.
When HR asks you to meet for coffee, it isn't for coffee!
The non-critical job type is very true. In the department that I was in my last job, I was the only one whose job does not bring revenue to the department (and rather incur expenses as my job involves sending equipment to external vendors for servicing) and when they need to cut expenses and headcount I am the first one to be axed.
If you sense a laid off wave coming, you start looking for a new job in a stable place instantly. Otherwise, it will not end well for you. You either loose your job or do the job of several people in a place that is going nowhere fast.
I was laid off a couple of months ago and some of these applied. My work was redistributed, it was cut back, i lacked visibility. I felt i wasn't being appreciated and pushed out so i did increase my workload and started doing stuff outside my scope but the damage was done. My boss was reluctant to give me praise (she was an idiot who didnt know jack about our team and most likely couldn't do our work either). I did start to apply for other jobs in my last month, but it should have happened way sooner. Getting interviews but nothing has materialized yet but it served as a wake-up call to never stay stagnant at a company
I work in real estate title insurance, and it's a blood bath. We lost about 2/3 of our company. Im still here after 3-4 layoffs. We are basically helping run 3 departments as one. It's terrible. I've already locked down another job and am just waiting until my job until the other starts.
It's not terrible, it's real estate reverting back to normal. Same thing is happening with many realtors no longer in the RE game because they are too lazy to work for leads or actually SELL a house. As someone who has been in the RE game for years, I say good riddance.
All ways have backburner jobs, allways be job searching , lining up interviews at the slightest whiff if a bad wind coming. Try to get another skillset to fall back on, get qualified in something else, truck driver licence, or security guard training.
Prior to a major layoff in 2008, my boss started playing weird games with her reports, like beginning a meeting with an ice-breaker question asking what our biggest challenge of childhood was, or giving us a few days to spend $300k on individual purchases worth $10-20. She cut her team by 2/3. I survived by being transferred to manage a department known for being where the misfits got sent. One of my colleagues was a total suckup, and his workload was tripled, and he was put in charge of my area, which being someone who had gotten by in life by being a suckup, didn't really suit him. I left after 6 months, and he left soon after. At no time was anyone consulted or questioned about skills or interests. We were just pieces on a chessboard.
Is this a true story?
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Sometimes KPIs don’t even measure well your actual work output quality/value.
Make sure your KPIs are aligned with what’s good for business, because if your manager didn’t define relevant KPIs for you, even if you achieve good values for those bad KPIs, you might still get the axe.
I work for a very large Healthcare Insurance Company. They have farmed a lot of our positions overseas. I hope that my name is on the list. The way that they have been treating the stateside staff is horrible. Ironically, they offer the worst medical benefits.
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Don't focus on layoff, I made myself prepared by switching jobs without offer.
I used to go on vacation,spend some time with family and refresh yourself.
If you are good at your work then companies hire you even after 2-3 months break.
There's also another factor I think that can determine if you're more or less likely to be let go: seniority. In other words, if there are two people making about the same money with the same experience, and performing at the same level, and one has been with the company 20 years and the other only 3 years, the employee with 3 years is cheaper to let go of than the one with 20 years experience. Maybe I'm wrong.
Edit: To clarify, it is cheaper to get rid of the person with 3 years seniority because if you lay someone off, you need to give them a week pay for each year worked and 3 weeks of pay is less than 20 weeks of pay.
Seniority is not the issue. The issue is why 3 years employee can do what 20 years veteran does in the job. 20 years experience means nothing at this point. it is just task filers.
@@turtlex4866 Sorry, I think my brain was mush when I wrote my original post. I agree that experience is just a number and some people who have "20 years experience" really have "1 year experience" 20 times. The part I neglected to mention was that it is cheaper to get rid of the 3 year seniority because if you lay someone off, you need to give them a week pay for each year worked.
If someone with 3 year's experience is being paid the same as someone with 20, either the 20-year employee has not grown in their job over the last 17 and needs to go, or the 3-year employee was hired on at way too high a salary (probably due to market conditions allowing people to get jobs above their skill level). As presented, it will be a toss-up as to who gets canned. The severance comes out of a separate bucket of money, written off on the company's taxes, so it is really not a factor.
Opposite happened to me. They let go of the highest paid employees and reorganized, hiring people getting paid half as much in lower level positions.
If someone who has been working for a company for 20 years and 1 for 3 years I've found that the one who has been with the company for 20 years gets laid off first, especially when the one with 3 years experience is younger. It's ageist but it does happen.
When I worked at Samsung, just about all the top performers got laid-off!! We made too much per hour or salary wise and they did not want to pay us our worth.
Even revenue generating roles can be laid off. I've seen top performing reps laid off recently.
That means that the market is extremely bad
@@GeosRealityReport or there were a lot of really poorly run companies. Or both.
Are “reps” revenue generating? If you mean “sales reps” and they don’t sell “in a current cycle” they may be an endangered species in a slow market (like thee one we have in late-2023) and may not be bad people
@@BigTimeRockFan when I wrote this in 2022, I was talking about sales reps who hit or exceeded their quota in 2022. Hard to say with 2023. A much smaller number probably hit their quota this year.
@@andrewb3234 the “what have you done for me lately” is now cut throat management (that think they aren’t next) and hiring inexperienced resources with unlimited leash no matter their performance is now the “deal of the day” at large corporations
The job market has definitely turned - most large corporations are now looking to scale back their workforce rather than expand it.
The key is, what part of their workforce
Nurses get laid off too, especially if your on the high end of wages. I know too well. Even if performance is good and your busting your ass. Usually that's because the company is losing money.
Or they want to make more profit
I got fired for being truthful. I was first called into the office, I drive truck, and we did local hauling. So my truck kept breaking down, and I asked for a different truck, I was told yes and 2 new guys got 1st dibs? My truck had mice, it was dirty when I 1st got it. So my truck needed a repairs and I was told I wasn't being honest with my hours. But I got the mechanic to sign my log book always, each time it was getting fixed.
So I was fired on Nov 22nd, I wasn't given my full hours, and now I am being told I was laid off and not fired? They are totally gaslighting me. They really screwed me over.
Have faith, you will come to the good again with a better job / employer / conditions soon enough. What goes around comes around.
If a company is being smart about their layoff strategy, they will take into account performance. In my experience, it was purely a cost cutting excercise. The most experienced (hence most expensive) had to go and half of the juniors (the rest) got to stay. Not sure how this will work out in the future. Only time will tell.
Another thing to consider is if your job role allows your company to have "license to operate". Regulatory compliance doesn't generate revenue, but it allows the company to conduct the activities that generate revenue.
I'd like to get laid off.... It'd be a nice vacation from the crap I deal with everyday. Could take some time to get projects done and focus on what I value in life.
Yeah and you'll get a severance package too. As long as you're somewhat financial stable it's not that bad..
Depending on the market and job type. Right now I wouldn’t want to be laid off in the tech industry.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff trust me I'd be fine with it. I just bought a farm so I've got plenty of other stuff I can work on. 😜
I just accepted a voluntary lay-off package. I have no bills (no mortgage, no car payments, wife with benefits through her job, lots of money in the bank, a generous severance, etc.) I may be able to double-dip at a new job, or just take a break for a while. Set yourself up financially and wait them out. Hopefully you get what you want.
And completely agree set yourself up from way back.
Bryn: As a long time viewer of your channel. Solid insights. Layoffs have a direct impact on the organizational psychology moving forward. Prof. I think this is the time to invest as you noted skills that may you more marketable. Good career coaching. Thanks.
At my company we have a manager that started giving all is reporters low KPIs scores. Little by little they started firing themselves. The few reporters that remained got layed off. If your manager gives you low KPIs scores and he is not available to help you improve, leave the company as soon as possible
This Is VERY INSIGHTFUL, AS USUAL!
Scary to see how quickly the job market has turned. Quiet Quitters need to ramp up performance so as not to be the slow one in the pack. Best thing is to keep working at alternative income streams so you are not at the mercy of a single employer.
The job market in the past 2 years has been unprecedented.
Quiet quitters do not care about performance because they have no reason to perform...
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@@xephael3485 ... Or they have over performed for years with no reward apart being allowed to keep their current salary level while having to do more work for the same pay.
Yeah and this has only accelerated
Not me but my partner thinks he is at risk of a lay-off as his shifts have been reduced and he is being compared to others in his department. I told him, all you can do is your best as he is following their procedures for doing the job but for some reason others can get better results? But anyway, he's been asking for feedback but hasn't got any, all he's been told is he's doing fine. If they really are considering laying him off why not try giving honest feedback? That's how we improve. If that's the case, it looks like piss poor management skills
I know you wrote this 8 months ago but what happened to your bf? Did he get laid off
or work/project being cancelled, as well as sudden budget cuts
I saw mine when they trained 3 other people for my position 4 months before layoff. Even the boss came to ask the person to train those 3 specifically, whereas, they never trained me for the position. I had to learned on my own without receiving any help or guidance
Hate to say I have the opposite problem. I’m pulled into multiple roles in multiple business units that I can’t possibly deliver against. Despite raising my concerns the feedback is radio silence. So I’m in an impossible position where I’m set up for failure and only see resigning as the only option.
Strange as I’ve done great work but doing three roles is just not possible
With all these people getting laid off, trying to break into tech as a 2022 grad is so impossibly hard. :( Pendulum please swing back
Oh quit with that BS... Breaking into the tech field is easy, you have to get general skills, and not the crap that they teach you in school.
Plenty of places are hiring but make sure it's a place you want to work for.
@@xephael3485 This is just not true. Have you tried applying to these places? They are usually scams posing as jobs. It is exhausting. I live in Seattle with a stem degree, several tech skills and a tech internship on my resume, been looking for months. If you really have all the secrets, go ahead and tell me so I can use it and spread the word but I have applied to hundreds of positions and only hear back for scams usually, and never even an in person interview. I have also used referrals and tried contacting a recruiter directly. There are mass hiring freezes.
@@crystalnelson314 what profession are you looking to get into? I've been on interviews with plenty of people from the hiring side. Had one scheduled today but they didn't show up to it.
@ghost mall That's true and I have been applying to other places as well, even mostly. But then when I hear back, it's almost always a waste of time scam. A lot of places try to sell bootcamps as jobs for example by giving estimates of what you could possibly make after doing it (but you have to pay them first) or other similar scams preying on people. They use incomprehensible recruiters and broken english, prey on your confusion. It makes me want to almost fully give up.
@@xephael3485 I am open to, applying to different ones but mostly looking at data analyst/scientist/engineer and software/web developer. Are you really hiring people with little to no experience? If you are, then kudos but that is not common, certainly not as much as it was before. Plus a lot of places now rescind offers after giving them, even otherwise legitimate places.
Interesting thing is that I am in the process of replacing myself with code. At least in part. At first, it made me nervous because of the possibility of being let go, but all other indications said that they wanted to free me up to use more of my hard-to-replace skills.
I'm sure that is what they are saying... My 30 years in Corporate America has proven that once you either train someone to do you job, or automate it - you are gone.
@@billybeemus3929 I've been in corporate America for that long too. I've always tried to make myself replaceable. That just seems to make them more eager to keep me. Maybe you've been working for the wrong companies?
@@johnburr9463 There are good companies out there. But there are many more bad ones. Bad managers/execs, really. If your company is treating you right, never leave. It is unlikely you will find another that treats you that way.
@@billybeemus3929 I had to stick my neck out a couple of times to help my company change its culture. It started out good but some not so good folks climbed the ladders a bit high and it took years of patience to get them removed. But during that battle, part of the reason I was able to stay around while they were eventually ousted was because of the connections and teamwork I demonstrated throughout my employment. I was able to say that I was FOR the company and bee believed.
i worked at a furniture store handling the payments and documents, I started out as a part time worker in my last semester of College. After i was done with school I stayed at the store as it was calm, fun, and I worked with nice people. After my co-worker went on medical leave I was asked to work a full time shift and I agreed with no issue, after about a month I was asked if it was ok to make it official and said ok (literally). I worked for about another 9 months when they said they would be cutting my hours, Still full time and I was ok with it. Then a week later they said i would be forced to go back to part time. I was sad but I was going to work for another year while I look for a bigger job. Cut to 2 weeks later, asked to come in at 9am (2 hours before my shift and thinking it was the store manager officially telling us he was retiring) I as well as my direct co-workers were told 1 by 1 that our positions were being eliminated across the board. We all were having issues we were dealing with and this compounded it even more. The co-worker that was on medical leave came back not long before this and their boyfriend works there and my other co-worker's sister works as a partner company thats inside the store. When I went back to get service for a product i paid for the summer prior, the most senior one was called back cause they knew our system like the back of their hand. I was asked to come back, but as a Sales Person when they know full well that I'm not a sales person, I know the system and how the sales process works but im not coming back for a commission only job
Hi Brian, Can you do a video on climbing the ladder in individual contributor roles? Some people don’t want to be a manager like myself. I want to know how to make more money without the manager route
You have to sharp your skills every two years to learn industrial top demanding skills for your role. You can stay in senior staff level forever but you have to make sure that the value your bring to the table is way better than random new hire.
Learn how to read your boss and their boss and figure out what is important to them. Only focus on those tasks that make them look good and further their agenda. There will always be other people around you willing to do the hard work, you need to focus on visibility. Become friends with management layer, not your coworkers. Your peers will resent you, but it is not about them. You do what is right for you.
Excellent video, thank-you.
Bro i never train people in the industry that im in because why train my potential replacement.
I remember working in a temp-to-hire position. My fellow employees became less friendly. One day I went to ask someone a question, and, NO ONE was there! They were all in a meeting, and I was not invited! Sure enough, I was let go within weeks.
Paradoxically in Twitter it is entirely possible that positions which were considered non mission critical a few weeks ago, have actually become much more valuable. It certainly seems that the company needs recruiters .
Great video !
Best........😊
A friend of mine was going for his MBA degree online on his own time and he had no plans to quit as he was already doing the work of a director while working as a manager and he wanted to get his MBA to match his responsibilities. When the company found out that he was going for his MBA, they fired him. The reason was that the company wanted to let him go rather than pay him the higher salary that an MBA demands. So since I am starting my MBA next month, should I keep it a secret so I can keep my job because my manager doesn't have one?
I would keep it to yourself. If you manager does not have one, you are in his way. And the human factor, envy. Keep it to yourself and play quiet. Low profile.
@@larahporter8123 Appreciate it!
I agree, keep it secret until you get it, then you have more opportunities available for you.
It's none of your employers business knowing what you do in your spare time as long as it is not in violation of company policy, so no reason to inform them at all.
Just do the thing, get the degree, use the skills and maybe bring up the fact that you've been using these skills to provide X value at the company next time you have salary negotiations or promotion talks.
If they won't pay more for your expanded skill set / won't consider you for promotion, you know what to do.
The less they know the better. In a world of the digital age and constant spying where companies are no longer loyal, one must keep their life outside of work private. For starters never ever give your personal cell number to your employer, better yet get yourself a cheap burner or cricket phone and use it for just work and at the end of the day put it inside a tin lid container.
well here’s my story:
CSR in a freezer warehouse
hurricane caused alotta damage to corporate
new girl who happen to be a friend of the dock supervisor and flirtatious came in about 3-6 months before my layoff. me and the GM trained her.
idk how much she got paid but i jumped from 15 to 20 per hour after a year. i earned it tho. went way above my job title.
we moved from a small warehouse with 3 of us w/ little clientele to a big warehouse with full staff and huge clientele
because of the change i had to stick to my title and keep up in the office
i made a couple mistakes and had talks with GM but never disciplined, written up etc. he always told me it’s ok and seemed understanding about mistakes happening here and there.
some of the data entry the president was having us try hardest to push on the client cause it’s so time consuming.
i had 1 incident when a manager/ coworker made a disrespectful offensive joke in front of everyone. it was ongoing but i let it slide till that one day. i snapped and told him he going too far and this ends here. nothing happened as far as disciplinary action and he did stop after the incident.
i was always doing OT but it was days b when i left ON TIME, ofc ppl would make jokes about it but the girl was there for 2nd shift and if my work is complete i leave on time. emails are not my concern after hours when i leave.
so after all this i was laid off via email a month before my 2 years. i did get my vacation time paid out but that’s all. the email stated because of hurricane impact, company had to downsize and my termination is in action immediately.
should i have seen this coming?
2 months later still struggling to find a job that pays but recent got a recommendation letter from corporate
You made this a year ago? Oh how the times haven't changed.
What should one do/say to an employer when the employer asks that we train others to do our job?
Say nothing, but drag the "training" out as long as possible while looking for and moving to a new job as quickly as possible. Unless they are offering a very substantial severance package at the end of the knowledge transfer, you are just being used and will soon be discarded.
Keep employer updated while training the new candidate. Dont take any dishonest step.
This is the talk we all needed
My company pays so low, we actually have a worker's shortage lol
That's a generous way of framing the situation.
But consider that if management really needed the labor, they'd find a way to pay enough salary to attract candidates.
So either you have a cheapskate employer or the company is going down the shitter.
Wow
My company ask me to train a few others to do work that currently only I do. They covered for me for a few days when I was off, but haven't helped out since. I wonder what their plans are....
Lol you know what time it is. Put your CV in with as many employers as you can on your time off.
The minute your boss or other leadership start treating you different even in the slightest way or extremely formal is a huge sign that they are considering you!
Good advice, especially about visibly.
Beware: SIDE HUSTLE INCOME CAN NEGATE YOUR ELIGIBILITY FOR UNEMPLOYMENT.
Question: how many people can cover their essential monthly expenses with unemployment if they’re not living with mom and dad.
Caution: Get the facts on your eligibility for unemployment AND what your unemployment payment would be BEFORE you count on it in blissful ignorance. BE PREPARED.
Last week my company announced via email at 4:50pm on a Wed night that they were laying off 25% of our workforce. We are a medium sized tech company. Layoff's to start that night. The next 3 days I was an anxious wreck. So far I am safe (I think). Not a great message from our new CEO (90 days in). Then a week later he wants to work on employees trusting management. Really??? I am ACTIVELY looking. Everyone who survived is just in shock and fear. Is that the way to run a company?? I work in the Finance dept and we are not making as much as they wanted but didn't think we were in that BAD of shape to have a drastic lay-off. Of course it hurt our stock price when the earnings call was next day announcing the lay-offs to the world.
If a company doesn't try to involve introverts and you have to force yourself to become extroverted, then it's a non-inclusive place. Leave.
Thank you very much for the very valuable information!
Companies that lay people off because they don’t have “enough” money to pay their shareholders are companies that shouldn’t exist. If your a company that can’t pay their bills then yes layoffs must happen.
This was sooooo helpful thank you!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
How did I end up on the spreadsheet? I got the layoff notice. My most recent appraisal went well, was hitting and exceeding my metrics, and I got laid off. The folks not up to snuff got to stay and they admitted they weren’t up to snuff in front of org leaders. I was doing projects and presentations. Can you do a list of reasons for those of us who do not fall into these?
They were liked more then you.
I would like to point out; being asked to train someone and meeting with the boss' boss could mean something else. It could mean there are plans to promote or expand job role. One of the things I always do for my team, is to have job duties trained to the next level down and have responsibilities transferred in preparation to hand over new responsibilities to someone being tapped for a promotion.
No, it always means layoff if you are ask to just tell new employee whatever you know without stating any specific goal or direction. Just setting up to fail.
Doubt about Twitter. Twitter was such a hole, celebs will not pay $8.00/month.
A 10-15% layoff is a company closure. How many businesses can operate without 10% of staff?
My recent company wanted to meet with me to offer me full time then laid me off the next week
Thank you
Been wondering what the latest update is if there is one on Twitter and Elon Musk's threat to employees that if they didn't agree literally by last Thursday to commit to "working long hours at high intensity" they would have to leave.
Remember. Dilbert is the real work truth.
Layoff is not that bad, you can always collect unemployment.....
But that can last for so long
@@GeosRealityReport no, unemployment won’t last very long…..
Companies can make you work like a slave and screw you blind then fire you for 'not performing'.
Hi, do lab biomedical scientists who authorise the results get fired ?
Your direct boss dies (cancer). Your company is being taken over by new management.
So when you are asked to document your procedures or Train a newbie on your Role can you refuse ?
And if you can be cut out as you do nothing and have no purpose maybe that’s a sign
Stating the obvious but maybe more importantly you could tell people how to be fine to quit and not work and that’s what I did and then just write about them they won’t appreciate it and you have no worry you can live without them
I wouldn’t like to be any of my old comany CEO’s they might learn some things though!
How about: almost whole of my team has resigned already and management went to bretzels to give the new team leader only temporary assignment.
Your staff is resigning? That will reflect badly on you.
Is R&D department safe to work in?
Of course they do layoffs! They don't want to try anything else and the rich have divested themselves of the idea that they have a responsibility towards the society that made them rich (so: Noblesse oblige, but for the wealthy, not just aristocrats!)!
You get a text, do not return to work.
Sign #1 - Elon Musk says he wants to buy your company
If you look around, the biggest idiot that is loyal, will survive.
SOOO MANY BOSSE'S, BOSSE'S. HEH-HEH!
What pandemic?
I had a hard time hearing this. Volume was too low. Couldnt finish watching.
Hopefully lots of woke people in the entertainment industry.
Twitter was never viable 🤣🤣😂😂 why do you think everyone got laid off 🤣🤣😂😂
Quiet quitters are toast..lol🤣
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