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Yesterday I awoke to two dull videos. I first watched the gullible g011iw0g's weekly update, which I could make a 20 minute video on but won't bother (I think I will do a lengthy comment, though from a day-old bad memory) and then d0p3y Drew's pathetic effort. I was almost squirming at his ham acting with muscles Mac, who he really could have knocked down with a feather. Best he just stay behind a desk. If the fanboys got hope from that visit they are the most gullible c10wn5 on Earth. It showed they are not even treading water, lol. And another dose of Jason Speedbump palavering was tough to take. "Notice the door latch . . .", lol! "I'm a genius" - NOT! What I noticed was PI.2 hasn't been touched in a fortnight and what there was of PI.3 could have been assembled in under an hour (not to mention the warehouse was still empty). I also took particular notice of their stock of solar panels. That's the sum total of a Vista warehouse pumping them out for months? In any case, there was still no rear hatch panel. Check it out.

For a company with such high moral values as aptera, giving away dirt cheap glasses is rather immoral thing to do. The cheap glasses dont have uv coatings, when you wear them they reduce the visible the light coming into the eye and the iris opens allowing more light in ( pupil expands), the problem is because they are not uv coated or polarised the wide open pupil in sunny conditions is getting more uv light ( which is not filtered out). The pupil will close to reduce amount of light without sunglasses. So for a scientific based and high in moral values company they are doing a great injustice to young people in particular, the ones who will really want the novelty glasses. Did aptera pick a suitable quality sunglass to give away............nope........it will be just junk glasses. I learned this about cheap sunnies way back in the early 80's, so if they will do this to potential customers what will they do in their car builds that are also unsafe for customers? I'm not sure if this is common knowledge about cheap sunnies or not. I would imagine it would be fairly well known. ( my personel view only, for entertainment purposes only, not a expert )

@@namenotshown9277 - I wear Randolph Engineering sunglasses. Made in America yet expensive. Best part is, if you need repair, send it to them and they will fix it. Probably one of the few places left in the US that actually makes eyewear.

@@namenotshown9277 Right on. I have always worn polarised sunnies to look after my sight and at 71 am not needing glasses. I live in a high UV part of the world, too. The only downside is that they destroy HUD vision, so whenever I get a car that has it, I will have to get a pair of UV-protected sunnies just for driving it.

The back load dynamics change when you change from IWM's to one internal motor, and not in a good way. Apart from IWM's having bad qualities, at least they were strong counterweights when placed so wide at the front before springing. Now that they are gone and a weight is placed centrally with no unsprung properties everything changes - rear loads are more effective in throwing the vehicle off line. Of course, they won't admit this or do anything about it.

@@aussieideasman8498 yes that is a point, I'm betting this has not been tested, apparently sandy munro is the best tester of vehicle stability with his own hands, I suggest they load it up to the max in the rear and let the old dude go nuts......he said it himself, if he cant roll it no-one can....

@@namenotshown9277 Problem is - it can still only go at walking speed.

I would say aptera has no excuse to contiunue to use 40 miles range is possible due to sun ( they should at least drop it down to 30miles max, I wouldn't be surprised if the person who did the blender add on works for aptera, its really a very nicely done piece of software, I would have to say it looks quite professional. Since there are still lots of assumptions in the model real world range from solar will be lower of course, I'm sticking with somewhere just over 10 miles as a sort of average to expect........in real world.......just my guesstimate ( partly based on the sunswift range estimate from solar).

@@namenotshown9277 - Aptera is fine for their claims. There is no standard and they base their numbers off of best case scenario. If I was Aptera, I'd take the Pi and ship it to Pikes Peak at the beginning of summer. High altitude, clear day makes for a perfect situation. It's better to take advantage of no standard while they can. The automotive industry did this in the muscle car days. No standard and thus use best case scenario for your published numbers. Today, when they publish a number, it's required to do it with an SAE standard. There's a reason why gross hp is not the same as corrected numbers.

@@billsmith5960 they could drive aptera down pikes peak and use that for the efficiency validation, bound to get a good number all down hill.

@@namenotshown9277 I hope Aptera reads this as it will validate their design. Funny thing is, they check your brake temp halfway down. With the regen for the Aptera, they can even make more range as for no reason to use the brakes. I see 60 - 70 miles total for a day combining solar and regen.

@@billsmith5960 yes they should be able to break all efficiency and range records with a run down pikes peak.........

There's a concept next Merc C-class that does that economy. It's by 'Electrifying' : FIRST LOOK: Has Mercedes finally got it right? Is the New electric CLA star-worthy?

@@aussieideasman8498 found and watched the video, they are saying 5.2 miles/kwh, impressive. I quite like that presenter, when looking for info on emr4, she did a review of, I forget which car it was, but had the vitesco, she did test drive and noted there was no full regen, had to turn it on /off, each time you wanted the full regen, so no one pedal driving, might have been hyundai memory fails me. And two speed transmission, now that is interesting, better efficiency at low rpm I'm guessing, very nice. Must be how they are getting that 5.2miles/kwh, it would be nice if aptera actually gave some honest efficiency results, but we already know how aptera works, it will be some half-truth under best case circumstances and once you look closer there will be all sorts of cracks in the numbers.........thats been the story so far. But after all these years they have validated one thing: it can drive at walking speed...........funny but that seems to be the only validation ever presented thus far after so many years of rediculous claims.

@@namenotshown9277 The two-speed transmission is kinda strange because it is becoming ICE car like in a way, and Ford has 10 speed tranny's. But if it improves efficiency . . .

They fooled the SEC once. I would not be surprised if they fooled them again. Only in America. The SEC probably won't see the irony in SUNA.

Elon was asked about Aptera. So since that happened, he will fund it without a word on how they spend it. Elon is about efficiency but Aptera is at least twice as efficient as they have two CEO’s.

I made a video saying the AI channels always followed the same theme, so all saying Musk is the topic is no surprise. It could all come from Chris M, Quince and Audra sitting at the same picnic table and looking over their shoulders. On Elon; it seems odd that the richest man in the world picks up a government job, especially when he's known to also be the busiest man. Go figure?

@@aussieideasman8498 there seems to be an extra media man, he was in some beach video with quincy, haven't seen him before, he seems to be popping up a bit in new videos. They would probably palm it off on him

@@namenotshown9277 Keep an eye open for Audra - she may have been given the flick.

The suppliers are not holding back. F & A have both said suppliers were locked in months before they made the prediction they could get PI.2 moving by end of August. What happened to "if they said it - it is so"? They made a two-month prediction and did it in four, and only barely, so they knew all about supply when they made the bad call. But this generating a lack of money idea is exactly what they want - even though they also said they had the money for all the PI's. When they fold, it's the excuse they always wanted, and it's a lie. No working product; nothing fit for purpose - just like last time.

@@aussieideasman8498 yes fambro on record in uscg webinar said that the first 50 production units were fully paid for, that was some time ago, so even with delays you would expect the 'factory' to be absolutely full of parts and frames for the first 50 vehicles..........or.........was he lying? I think we all the know the answer. Here we have another little bit of evidence for any law suit in future of dishonest claims to investors.

@@aussieideasman8498 - They want the funding. It's that it's dying off all while the spending will be going up. Add into that, what has been sold (the Gamma) is not what they will build and thus, Aptera is starting over yet again but that would be 2023, not 2019 or the old Aptera.

@@namenotshown9277 He was definitely lying. Maybe he does it for entertainment purposes? lol

@@billsmith5960 Yes - next announcement is the new company name - Aptera ACME. Putting Wyle E. Coyote on as Chief Engineer.

Wrong. They start production in 2025. I know as it's a fact. I want you to just copy my message and then we can talk a year from now. I have been right on all of my Aptera predictions.

@ I bet you call that empty warehouse a factory too.

@@RomanChaar Bill is the gun exponent of sarcasm. He's just keeping the fanboys optimistic.

@@RomanChaar Of course that empty building is a factory. They've been manufacturing some of the finest empty promises since 2019.

​@JoeBManco if they filled the empty warehouse, where would they drive the trike on rainy days?

The excuse generator has always been up and running at full speed. Who's Fred?

I found Fred. Next AOC drivel.

@@aussieideasman8498 - Fred is an Ambassador. He also drove the Gamma and gave it rave reviews. It's nice that another Ambassador drove a 2 year old prototype that has little to do with what Aptera is trying to build now. I drove a 2016 Ford F150 and can tell you by that experience, the 2026 version is great.

also another video called elon musk 2008 interview by dj shows inside the roadster factory, you can see there is no waste of space there, they are using up every inch pretty much, it seems the space is too small for them, now compare to aptera, who is the exact opposite, complete waste of investors money huge empty building........they are bound to fail

@@namenotshown9277 Fanboys think it will outsell Tesla in about six more years. I prefer to not even compare. Elio; Sono; Lightyear, et al are more apt for comparisons.

@@namenotshown9277 - Tesla was within an hour of going bankrupt. They laid off everyone and they went to work across the street. Plus, the first 200 Teslas had known faulty transmissions. If you look at Aptera, they have never laid off all of the employees, never been an hour from bankruptcy and never shipped an Aptera with a known defect. Thus, Aptera is better than Tesla.

@@namenotshown9277 - I bet Aptera will be on Mars within a year. They are skipping the ISS as it's old tech.

@@billsmith5960 Every point you made is true. What's more is every previous prototype Aptera has made is better in every way than anything Honda sells today. I know this is true because an Ambassador for Aptera told me so.

I doubt he ever will.

@@aussieideasman8498 - He seems to just have some unknown degree that is Ninja Engineer.

@@billsmith5960 I recall him saying he started the course and dropped out, but even I don't trust my memory these days. You should ask him; you can even be derogatory and he won't mind, lol.

He definitely doesn't have the presence of a degreed experienced engineer. I only see what Aussie reposts but don't remember ever hearing a quantitative personal comment. Just weak parrot of Aptera Co gibberish.

@@artsmith103 - I guess why he must have a BSNE degree. Ninja engineer degree must be a program somewhere. Maybe online. I do know that Ninja makes coffee makers and blenders. Maybe that's where he works.

When they folded the first time they never got sued, but this time around they realize it's more of a possibility. Hence, the extra effort to look like they are being genuine, but let's just say we are being entertaining? In any case, Zaptera is suing them, but there could be a lot more of it than they care to think of.

That big empty warehouse sucked in millions of dollars. They know you have to spend big to make it big, and it has worked for them. What they don't know is how to build anything.

I glossed over the issue in my hurried review, but cretin2's saying she was comprehensive and covered all his needs was an example of what a brainless jerk he is. Yes, the bull from Audra I left out was all hot air and said virtually nothing that would satisfy anyone with concerns; any person of moderate intelligence could see that. That desperation was because they didn't want to go into a third month of being overdue. It satisfied the moronic fanbase, but what has happened in the ensuing fortnight? Nothing. We are on track for the second complete collapse.

I think that data security for the Aptera is #1 priority. Throw lots of resources at that. In addition to that, will hackers be able to drive your Aptera or make you crash in it if needed. While we are at it, I am wondering still about that zombie apocalypse and if the carbon fibre will hold up to their attacks. Plus, will the Aptera be equipped with an antidote. Last thing we need are Zombies driving around in sun powered Apteras and infecting the rest of the population. I bring this up as it makes sense to just ask questions that are around #1000 on the list of things they need to be concerned about. One other thing, will Aptera have the tires be back filled with nitrogen? Then what viscosity of grease will they use for the wheel bearings?

I still say he most likely never put in as much as a cent. People lie.

@@aussieideasman8498 aptera have in the past paid people with stock I remember seeing in some sec filings it was shown, I would think munro got some payment with stocks and can now be called an investor since he holds stock, maybe he put down a deposit thats possible. The chance of him puting any money into aptera are zero in my view. c.anthony in one podcast said they sent munro to italy to cpc, but due to constant half-truths, thats probably a half-truth also if not a flat out lie. I mean munro suggested 3d printing the frame out of titanium in the video, now thats a real expert! This company seems to attract other snake oilers, its become a vipers pit of despots. Why couldnt fambro name the airline that they are supplying solar tugs too? Because he knows big companies like that can sue, they dont have any deal with any airline is more likely the case is why he cant mention it. They saw some video of someone wondering if a solar powered tug at an airport was due to aptera and they run with it........of course its ours, but we cant give any details........possibly more lies for any court proceedings later on. ( my personel view only, for entertainment purposes only, not a expert )

Maybe, but he recently deleted a thread where I challenged his source for claiming the curves in the solar dont make any difference in solar predictions compared to flat panels using nrel data. He doesn't like to loose an argument, so I'm not sure just how honest he will be, I'm now thinking he is not pragmatic and not particularly honest either. But his videos are a wealth of information including lots of statements from the aptera directors that could be used against them in any legal proceedings. He seems to be of the opinion that all apteras claims are completely above board and just hunky dory, thats a worry in my mind. ( my personel view only, for entertainment purposes only, not a expert )

agreed. I was a bit surprised to see the recent AOC videos with a bankruptcy tone.

He might be the spear, but I'm likely the target. If I lived in the US I would not make videos or comments. It's a crazy place in many aspects.

I am just watching now to see how many PI builds get complete and who they are passed off to. They are waiting on their miracle billionaire to save them but no one is going to invest in this company when the CEOs control the majority of the voting stock and their partners control the rest. I suspect that is why the convertible note is failing, upon its term it should be paid off into equity that is discounted by the notes discount rate. The problem I see is just before it was issued Aptera raised their share price by forty percent which appears to be a blatant attempt to moot the discount rate and I suspect it only allows purchase of non voting shares - meaning it has no real value.

@@andromedach In Aptera v 1 they had Google backing them. When they needed money to produce Google refused it, despite it being loose change to them. At that stage Google had realized that the silly trike didn't work. If it worked, Google would be back in, yet no sign of them. Once bitten . . .

Hi fellow Aussie, My reason is because the company is a Ponzi scheme - a scam in my view. It offers people a hope they won't get and takes their money with no intention to deliver - again, in my view. I know they say differently, but they lie (in my view). They have already done this once, and it is not my view; it's a fact. The lack of money was a cop-out lie, and the truth is the product was not fit for purpose when they folded. It is still not fit for purpose almost 20 years after they began the scam. Is it wrong for me to try to help the idiots just by giving my opinion? The Viking is wrong. Whether he is intentional or plain stupid is undecided, and I really don't care which it is. Wrong is wrong, regardless. I have made a video in my early days about him being shady about reviewing some EV's, and when he did the Aptera visit I made another. Anyone is welcome to argue the toss about my reviews, and that goes for reviews of anyone I care to highlight. He's in a long line of shady YT content creators where the business takes over the ethics. This g011iw0g on this review is the latest in that line. Now I must get stuck into finishing off his video, just because I said I would. It will be half-hearted - he's not worth much effort.

@@aussieideasman8498 Thanks for replying mate! I knew you would. I wish you all the best in your endeavours (I did subscribe to your channel) and shall allow you to brighten my day "auusieideasman"! You are doing a bang up job! I would love to have your passion and deal with "the just plain stupid (period) bloke"! My Mum God bless her soul advised, worry about making sure I do right by myself, family & others! P.S. I would love to see Sandy Munro loose his shirt...He is an investor now!

@@desobrien3827 Munro probably never put a cent in. They do shady deals and make it look like he invested when he really didn't. PS: I got my 2nd video out on this clown's effort. It's a slack job, I just wanted to free up my day, lol.

It's like Elio Motors. Lots of claims yet no real data. Lots of simulations though. Real investment looks into this and you can't fool them with flashy social media and a website. That's been done over and over again. Plus investors get this all of the time with a constant stream of presentations. Plus, using the moniker of it being "green" and "saving the planet" is way overused. Then no amount of how Aptera is better than Tesla will work. It actually hurts their chances. Yet for the superfans, it works. Superfans do not fund major projects either. So their opinion means nothing.

@@billsmith5960 so I put another post up mentioning on aoc about my post and his reply being deleted instead of making some sensible reply. That really suprises me, as posts that have replies from the chanel owner I've never seen them disappear before. A post without a reply yes can be vetted or culled by yt, but once the owner does a comment they stay forever pretty much. So he replies with a "lol, I dont delete comments", well isnt that interesting, it seems he is just flat out lying, that really surprises me ( I make mistakes but it seems the thread is gone last time I looked). So its been quite revealling him posting that he is pragmatic......firstly he has shown himself to be the opposite of pragmatic, but by deleting the posts including his comment back to me, and then saying he didn't delete it also makes him a dishonest person and just flat out lying, I remember aussie saying he was 'evil', I thought that was a bit harsh, but now I'm not so sure. Alot of details I know, but I'm now convinced aoc is really not honest person or pragmatic...........but that seems to be the pre-requisite for being an aptera ambassador. It really does seem once he is pushed into giving a source for a claim, that rather than admit he has just made up some stuff, he will just delete the thread to 'save face' or win the argument. I'm pretty sure aussie is on the right track with these guys, alot more dishonest than I had realised. ( my personel view only, for entertainment purposes only, not a expert )

Elon bought Twitter and passes up on Aptera - says a lot about Aptera.

@@aussieideasman8498 Let me see: Elon musk take over a company and leave control to the old guard.......I'm thinking maybe thats not quite his personality type. I note on munro video he asks fambro&anthony their titles......fambro says co ceos...........but one of the last sec filings, Athony was changed to president. They cant even get their own titles correct........what sort of ship are they running? Problem would be if elon took over they might actually produce something to sell, and thats not really a part of the forward thinking directors of aptera, that would be disastrous for them. The whole business model would collapse at that point.

@@aussieideasman8498 - Elon has so much money he can just fund it. I think it's better for us to tell what others should do with their money. Especially the rich. I have a three wheeler that goes 3K miles on a charge and gets 200 miles on solar. Perfectly safe and all the comforts of a car. I just need $1B USD to make it work. Elon, I will save the planet with this.

@@billsmith5960 I'm in bill........where do I send the money? I have a 4 wheel electric vehicle, 24v brushed dc motor with differential, headlight and blinkers think i can get crowdfunded? The manufacturing plants are already up and running.

@@namenotshown9277 - How about we just start a new company and be co-ceo's? Then we can send each other money. Wait, bad idea. We will crowdfund. Since you have a 4 wheeler and I have a 3, we can go right into production with both. List of what to do: 1. Make a website 2. Crowdfund 3. Determine our pay (I suggest $500K per year) 4. Make claims that we determined via "simulations." 5. Name drop Tesla on our website and social media 6. Create an ambassador program where we give them exclusive info but soon limit that. Give the illusion that they know but can't discuss because of NDA's. 7. Create a corporation in Deleware and create 5 billion shares of stock. 8. Make sure we have complete control. 9. Make lots of renderings by hiring out the local community college to do them. 10 Use same community college to be our PR peole and make videos to post all over social media. After we check those boxes, then we can do a Phase 2.

They didn't know how to make their composites faster and they don't care what rubbish the customer gets.

@@aussieideasman8498 I'm guessing you wont see the need for a roll cage discussed by any fanboys, it speaks volumes to me.

@@namenotshown9277 Ironic that they say it can't be rolled; they have no laws to make them add it (roll cage); and yet they put one in.

@@aussieideasman8498 - That's right. If Sandy can't roll it, nobody can. He knows all. This is why Aptera should say that it's impossible to roll. Now, I was working for a team at Watkins Glen back in June and someone rolled a Porsche GT3 Cup car (a 991.2). So Porsche should go to Aptera, license them to build the next three wheeled GT3 Cup car and then they will never have to worry about anyone sticking it on it's lid. Porsches are unstable unlike an Aptera. Sandy knows as he's well known on how he can put the car on the limit. If you notice he wasn't at the Bathurst 1000. Why? He's just too fast.

@@billsmith5960 Surprised you even know about Bathurst. Here in Aus it's called the Great Race, but I thought only the Melbourne Cup (horses) was heard of internationally. That's called the race that stops a nation. Sandy missed the Great Race this year because he forgot it was on, lol. And you should know Porsche can't put a single rear wheel in because that's where the motor sits, lol. Notice an eerie silence from Aptera this past week? All I am getting is lots of video's in foreign languages I can't watch, plus one from AOC that basically threw in the towel on the USCG effort. Fun times. How long does it take to make PI.2 go from slow to fast? I owe the Ninje a follow-up review of this video, but I secretly drove from home to Townsville and back from last Monday to Saturday - 3,100kms (1,800+ miles). It was in the EV, and the charging infrastructure is so bad I could only use a 7kW charger in Rockhampton and was forced to stay in a Motel. Impossible to drive straight through; there are so many broken chargers and no alternative for a BYD owner because they can't use Tesla chargers. I also noticed many Tesla's using non-Tesla chargers and forcing we plebs to wait. For anyone interested; take a look at the map and work out how bad it is for non-Tesla charging. The Mount Larkam charger is broken with no alternatives. Then Rockhampton is broken, but you have that 7kW charger at one motel (it advertised as being 22kW), and I discovered a shopping centre has two 7kW Tesla chargers for free that even a BYD can use (9 hours to charge); then the next stop at Marlborough is broken with no alternatives. There is virtually nothing between Miriam Vale and Carmila (418kms, or 250+ miles) and most EV's can't get that far. Of course, all the glowing government sites rave about how they have created an EV super highway in Queensland, lol. I would hate to try going inland. BTW, these chargers have been broken for many months and don't look like ever being repaired. I think the owners just turn them off because there is no physical damage visible. Some are even lit up on the screens.

It's no big deal. He's more interested in funding for Space X (that other company nobody talks about). I see tariffs on BYD and with the EU going down that route, Tesla is fine for now. If the new admin is like what it was in the past, I expect about 20% will ever get done.

You might say some don't have much of a mindset.

It's no different than what happened back in the Elio Motors days. Chris and Steve are using Paul Elios playbook because what they are doing is eerily similar. In addition to that, they talk down to their fans and make the same claims over and over again. Using that method allows for crowdfunding to work but rarely works for institutional investors. Thus, why only $400K out of the $60M in convertible notes have been raised. Thus why they just released more shares to try to raise $15M and they decided to raise the PPS by $4 to now $14.50. Elio, exhausted crowdfunding. Then did Reg A+. After that they were done. It was obvious because they planned to do another IPO on NASDAQ which was to raise $100M. That never worked because Paul claimed on his last interview ever, "The markets are broken." So, it's easier to blame someone else on your failures. Then it was the Eliocoin and that failed as it made zero sense on what he was doing there.

@@billsmith5960 lets say they raise another 15 million, there is really no point, production doesn't look likely, alot of testing to do also. And 15 million is not going to get them very far towards production. You have to look at who is benefiting from this operation continuing any further? Its funny but the goal line just keeps getting further and further away, even though they make slow progress. 140 million this time, 70 million last time, 210 million ( thats getting close to 1/4 of a billion dollars burned up thus far). At what point will these guys pull the plug, seems they are all in, and will just keep going either until someone stops them ( eg fraudulent claims and suppressed data to get investors leading to fraud charges, or patent issues sinking the boat...), or if someone makes them an offer they cant refuse to get the hell out of dodge. Otherwise its just going to keep going probably until some short time after IPO ( seems to be the pattern with other similar startups, and assuming they make IPO) I think they will just keep the money machine ticking over as long as possible, if they can find a way to raise money they will just keep going, and the investors will just keep hanging on until the inevitable bankruptcy. Perhaps the change in govt will open some opportunities but the chances are very slim of any production at any stage in this. This has literally been going on since 2008 or so, when they were saying production starts next year. ( with a break in between renditions of aptera). If these guys were honest, they wouldn't be saying things like production will definitely be next year etc, they would say the truth ( production is not looking likely for a very long time) but they wont get investors if they are honest about the situation. They basically have to lie to get new investors, and they have become experts at it. ( my personel view only, for entertainment purposes only, not a expert )

@@namenotshown9277 - Don't worry. People justify that it's some mysterious entity that is keeping Aptera down. It's easier to believe in a conspiracy as opposed to reality. Big Oil wants to do away with EV's. Yet Big Oil invested in Lucid. Big 3 wanted to do away Elio Motors. Yet they let them lease a complete plant, buy the equipment and deal with suppliers. Big 3 don't want EV's. Yet Tesla was able to buy an ex GM plant and start making EV's. Just so you know, the Big 3 are GM, Ford and Tesla. Chrysler has not been a US company for many years. How did that happen? So I guess with Aptera being some major player that will kill off the Big3 and Big oil, we just blame them. I bet they call all of the rich people and have been bugging them non stop with calls and text messages to not buy those convertible notes. It has to be. No other reason.....

There are plenty of comments and videos of how Tesla should help out Aptera. So that should work if I keep hearing it. I also have a bridge in Brooklyn that Tesla needs to buy from me too.

He said overall there was about 20% loss from solar panel to batteries using mppt and dc/dc converter........anyhow theres quite a loss involved, your not getting what comes out of the solar cells into range at 100%, needs to take off 20% power produced into what goes into distance travelled....if that makes sense. So it does from dc to ac ( solar panels to charging voltage), then the car converts the ac charge into dc for batteries. How aptera will go about charging their batteries will have to be similar process as the solar voltage needs to be adjusted to suit the batteries voltage. I'm not exactly sure how aptera will do it but we have a ball figure of the maximum losses will look like. So with aptera: lets assume 700watt is possible ( I dont think it is) then take away 20% and you get 560watts going into the batteries. I think aptera solar might only get 640watts peak, so in that case after losses it would be 512 watts into the batteries. This is one reason why aptera using 700watts to calculate range is an over-estimate and I suspect why they dont give an real world test data, as it will be alot lower than they estimate even on the best days.

I see off one of his videos he is averaging 216wh/mile for the drive up to stop 9. I think aptera is claiming 100wh/mile, so about half of what he is getting. I see on one video he is getting under 200wh/mile following behind a trailer at hwy speeds, but he is driving very efficiently to maximise range.

What he does is why I call him a cretin. You and I are far from the first or the only ones. He's an evil man.

You're so full of c rap! AOC/Steve did NOT delete your ignorant post.

@@aussieideasman8498 it does seem pretty odd i must admit

@@aussieideasman8498 I hate to think of people as evil, but he was bragging about being pragmatic ( i.e. considering all the facts) so I challenged him on this, and the response shows very clearly he is not pragmatic in any way shape of form. I"m actually a bit shocked by his move to delete my post rather than try answer with facts. I think the 10miles/kwh comes from 300-350mpge for an early aptera way way back in the early 2,000s, but I have a feeling that was for a diesel/hybrid version, I'm not exactly sure on that, I have seen videos where aptera mk1 bring up the 300-350mpge value in interviews. If they are using this as a basis for their claim of 10miles/kwh, its completely non-sensical ( is that a word?), its like comparing chalk and cheese, old aptera/new aptera are two different things completely. I guess the similarity in shape is one thing that remains, but unfortunately current aptera dont hold the design patent on that, so there's trouble even at the most basic level in aptera. For me its like winning the trifecta we now have good evidence that each major claim is false and new data that doesn't support their claims is suppressed: 1. cd aero : never tested and data supressed, relies on old cfd sim of playdo model then rendered 2. efficiency: based on diesel hybrid version of aptera mk1 of 350mpge, irrelevant to current model 3. solar range: based on over inflated un-achievable predictions, data supressed that dosn't support the claim. Nrel data not relevant due to panels being curved and vehicle not stationary. Sorry to rehash these three points, but these are the three things that underpin apteras ability to get investors, and they are all false, and any data that doesn't support it has been supressed. If I repeat it, occasionally the chances of someone linked to sec or an investor realising they have been taken for a ride ( and not a solar ride) will read it and take some action. Funny their theme : " every journey driven by the sun" is even a false statement, I'm not sure if they have even done a journey driven by the sun ( maybe to the local shops and back thats about it) ( my personel view only, for entertainment purposes only, not a expert )

well there is really a 4th major point should be included: they dont have design patent on the shape Seems every single major item that is the basis of aptera turns out to be false. That is quite disturbing to me.

at the 49 10 mark it shows a pic of suppliers for various major parts, 51 different suppliers, I realise alot of parts are outsourced, but seems everything is outsourced, that equates to zero vertical integration as far as I can see. Why does fambro keep saying they are vertically integrated, they could not be further away from it. What do they produce in house.....is there anything at all? I guess they make prototypes in house, but all parts are outsourced.

I seen that and thought it was such an odd video to have posted. I guess it was to show what the old claims were vs what they say today?

@@billsmith5960 I remember there was a blake that worked at aptera, but not sure if this is same person, yes I thought odd also.

@@billsmith5960 I downloaded a copy in case it disappears.

I saw the video in the newest list and didn't bother opening it - just wondered if Blake Stone was the leg-shaking Blake who worked there and stared out the office window.

$15million is not good news? I wouldn't mind $15 million for not producing much at all. When is bill serious and when is he kidding, this is the question. What would be really nice if someone who knew in detail about sec filings did a video outlining what it all means, they do tend to repeat alot of stuff each filing. But I find it difficult to ananlyse it, I'm sure there is alot of info there that is not obvious.

I think I would rather watch a tour of Romania.

@@aussieideasman8498 lol

You need to watch the AOC video on Lucid then read the comments.

What's the video? I would like to see the recharge time.

@@aussieideasman8498 theres a guy documents lots of recharge of different evs, I watched one he did on kia ev9, it was impressive, about 200kw constant up to 80% roughly, it was something like 20 mins to 80%, after that it was slowed down, might have been 80kwh pack from memory but could be wrong. Watched his video on kia ev9 as I thought it might have vitesco, but seems they have their own design, seems pretty similar anyhow. will get back to ya I'll see if I can find the chanel again, he also did the lucid air distance video

state of charge is the name of channel

lucid air charging he did a video on that too, not so good, compared to kia ev9, but my view is the slower the charge the better for battery longevity. I think fast charging regularly is not so good for battery lifespan. Worth watching the kia ev9 video, its really fast to around 80%

a chanel called weber automotive also good for this sort of thing, but I think the guy doing it not doing many vids now, he was really top notch on technical side of these things......his job is automotive education at an institute. He also has some really good videos on automatic gearboxes etc

This is what happens with emerging technologies. It's like when 25 years ago in our area a massive explosion happened. It wiped out over a city block in an industrial park. Why? It was a critical chemical used in semiconductor labs. Luckily it happened o a Friday night at 8 pm. It was a process that got out of control. Since we really needed this chemical for semiconductors, no outcry from the public. Plus, it was not the only time it happened in the US. Companies got smart and only make it in India. When those plants explode, nobody cares in the US. In addition to that, if we have a chip shortage, that's priority #1 to get it going no matter what. As long as it's not in our backyard. So, recycling batteries will just be moved there and then problem solved.

@@billsmith5960 yes that is how the world works. A lithium battery recycling factory that has a fire that destroys the whole massive plant ( I think they said the biggest one that exists?) seems someone made a slight error or two. I've had a few fires here and there with lithiums, it certainly reminds you just how much energy these things can store. I'm guessing if they do rebuild it will have alot of design changes, theres no way around it, these batteries are potentially hazardous. No idea what the source of the fire was.......i'm guessing it was a lithium battery! I'm also guessing there is more than one of these plants ( I know a co-ceo of tesla.....forget his name.........has gone into lithium recycling....he designed their first batteries........whats his name?).......I wonder if it was one of his plants?

@@namenotshown9277 - This is why they are working on batteries that you can shoot a missile through them and dunk them in water if you want. They still work but then with reduced capacity. With the chemistry they are using, no fire yet more dense power over what's commercially available. I seen it myself up in Boston with one of their incubator programs. This is the future. People have a hard time grappling with that. Think about cars. They were deathtraps for many years. My 1968 VW Bus is a deathtrap. Non power drum brakes, lap belts (which I changed out to three point around 1980) no headrests, no side bars in the doors and legs dangling in front of the front wheels. Plus, people don't remember that cars used to catch on fire all of the time. Remember those perpetual tire fires. One north of us kept burning for three years. now we know how to stack them, grind them up and do something with the waste.

So I've sort of crystallised what would be a solid basis for SEC to do a fraud case against aptera. Its taken some time to work it out, but it appears now that they are continuing to use data that was conducive to get investors and still using those values. The real values they have had for many years now ( crank software who designed the displaly on the dash was really early in the aptera 2 conception. I think it would be extremely easy to argue that aptera has suppressed actual data in order to gain financially from gullible investors who are largely non-technical crowd fund sources via the internet. Come on SEC I've done all the homework for you, get moving on these guys before IPO.

@@namenotshown9277 - Then Paul Moller and Paul Elio would be investigated too. Same for Mark Frohmeyer. Yet nothing. Aptera can keep making claims. Paul Elio said, "Half the width, double the mileage." Never been proven and zero data, yet it was true to the superfans. Paul Moller made hundreds of claims and yet none ever turned out. Mark Frohmeyer had in his SEC filing for the extended battery pack, full hard enclosure and HVAC. Never happened and the next CEO said they were going to have to redesign the vehicle to make at least the full hard enclosure happen. So FUV sold the idea of that and come to find out, it was to need to be redesigned. Even many customers that ordered and paid for half doors, never got them. Aptera right now are saints and never will be gone after by anyone. It's the new reality we live in. Even Paul Elio was on national TV and when asked, "Will customers get their Elios in 2018." He said, "Yes." So if that's not enough to go after him, then Aptera is completely safe.

@@billsmith5960 Perhaps you are right, but these guys are insistent on using old fabricated ( sorry predictive) data and never changing it even though they have it at their finger tips, and literally staring them in the face on the dash display, even shown accidentally in many videos ( hence why I keep bringing it up). If thats not enough I dont know what is. It was mentioned in the last sec filing that sec has asked aptera to keep copies of some documents......not sure exactly what paperwork.......but that is promising that they might do at least a rudimentary investigation. Anyhow whatever happens, I have to say its an impressive build in my eyes, it has lots of questionable areas of concern, but it is quite an achievement to get as far as they have. Perhaps bending the truth ( or even just fabricatng it) is just a part of many businesses and always will be. Its certainly entertaining. I have a feeling your correct though.