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dear lord what is happening in there

it's real, but it's dummied out by having impossible conditions for event branches and dialogue triggers moved over to the left side of the map out of bounds. i made minimal edits, just enough to get the events to trigger. the y coordinates of the dialogue triggers are unchanged, and any errors were left as is (incorrect character portraits, kel/aubrey not fading away correctly, etc.)

It's literally just better turn based because you can SEE your speed stat/turn order. That's the only point that needs to be made. Also, this is FF6. The only FF game that DOESN'T increase all your stats when you level up. This was a dishonest argument from the get go. Also, I've yet to see a single Anti ATB/Turn Based argument that wasn't them just admitting to being impatient or unintelligent.

@@FreezyNinja impatient and unintelligent? Haha. The real time element is rarely utilised and often its done so in a way that emulates turn order in standard turn based combat. I've never felt it add pressure to any system nor does waiting g for a bar to fill have any tangible differentiation from waiting for a turn. Turn based games can clearly represent turn order with the need for an arbitrary bar to fill over time. Octopath for example. The fact you can't internalise your turn order or strat structures would suggest a lack of intelligence on your end if we actually consider your points made. 🤷 And here you have just another failed attempt at rationalisation of preference over actually considering design goals and implementation. And ff2 also doesn't increase stars upon a general level up curve so perhaps fact check before accusing someone of dishonesty. My statement is entirely good faith. You on the other hand are at best inaccurate or at worst in bad faith. Lol

​@@Ashamedofmypast Wrong. It's not about "internalizing" anything. It's about being allowed to strategically DECIDE when you take your turn. If I don't want Cyan to attack right away, I can CHOOSE to just wait for a better opportunity(which I did quite often). If I don't want Gogo to Mime something specific, I can CHOOSE to wait for a better chance/ability to Mime. Also, FF2 DOES increase agility naturally. Quit lying. The game doesn't even have a traditional leveling system, so you KNOW that argument holds no water. Anyone with a bare minimum of two working brain cells and access to google could figure that out in 30 seconds or less. You two have done nothing but lie and prove my point. You two are disingenuous at best and blatantly lying at worst. I even went ahead and tested the FF6 ATB speed. Napkin is lying. His game is NOT set to the highest battle speed.

@@FreezyNinja the ad hominem nature of your language betrays you you quite literally made no new arguments here and failed to see the hypocrisy in your words. Proceeded to intentionally misrepresented the comments that serve as the basis for your near preliterate rebuttals. Impressively diminishing the argument you attempted to make bravo 👏 I never cited this video in my discourse? You cannot assume my basis for my opinion. I haven't made any statement on the quality of this video. I made that comment prior to watching it as it happens. Nor do I recall its content if I'm honest. I tralled the internet on sources to help me make choices in a prepro design document. As I had always counted the ATB ff titles among some of my favourite games I was looking for a convincing justification of the system. Sadly I've yet to find any. I never specified agility nor did i make any comment to the effect of "ff2" has a traditional leveling ststem. Simply correct you when you made an incorrect claim. In 2 that stat is quiet random and tied to inventory weight? Please refrain from being outright deceitful my 2 brain cells(neurons rather) could recollect this just fine sans Google search thank you. The statement you make on the choosing when to attack is not unique to atb be any measure. Waiting to attack and phased encounters predate atb. Clear turn ordering and implementing strategies around it and enemy behaviour patterns are not beholden to atb never were? And in most use cases there isn't a strategic choice to be made instead its a simple waiting game to avoid taking or maximise dealing damage. Even the mimic example isn't reliant on atb for gods sake. Atb wasn't even designed to add that caveat. Atb was intended to accrue and utilise time debt to create pressure in the same way F1 pit stops do. But it isnt really an elegant avenue of implementing that. Hard turn based systems can implement that without ATB and in my opinion do so in more mechanically interesting ways. By all means continue to champion ATB as a system but at least attempt to form a coherent arguement for its implementation. Nostalgia is strong. And simply not having a good reason for something by no means makes it inherently bad. Playing with turn order is interesting that's why so many of us consider it heavily in combat design. And while I see the ATB in its base form as a rather poor design choice it can still prove effective in iteration. The ATB2.0 system is a great Indication of this even if the benefits of that system can also be implemented in a hard turn system. Math can't always account for tastes or the inherent appeal to endorphin of watching a little bar fill up over time it certainly has a chemical component. But as a designer it just seems to fall short of being the best choice of system in the majority of cases.

@@Ashamedofmypast "I never specified agility nor did i make any comment to the effect of "ff2" has a traditional leveling ststem." Ok, just stop. You're being disingenuous as hell and you know it. Just shut up until you're willing to discuss the points without deliberately misrepresenting them. Knowing you people though...That is NEVER going to happen.

everything from that point on is the same as the normal game... there aren't any unused events beyond basil's house pertaining to this sequence, and iirc the game doesn't account for the player being sunny beyond that point either... the script for the sequence (blackspace_intro.yml) ends after the player wakes as sunny

if you keep running uninterrupted for long enough, she actually asks you to slow down... if you ignore her, she scolds you and it disables running until she leaves. this can still happen in the final game when she joins you on the beach, but since the beach is so small and she doesn't let you backtrack into the forest after she joins, you aren't going to see this unless you decide to take a half minute break from the plot to run in circles on the beach for no reason

@@napkin8920 Oh so... The trigger for Mari applies here Cool

there's an official-unofficial discord for omori with a channel that covers how to decrypt the game back into rpgmaker mv assets, and from there you'd need to simply go on a scavenger hunt in rpgmaker mv's map editor for all of the maps that appear in this sequence, looking for all the dummied out event data pertaining to this sequence and modify the event conditions to actually be meetable in some way (it's been a while so maybe they've changed things to be more user friendly, but iirc the decryption process did not give you readable tileset data so all the maps were invisible until i ported over tilesets from a kickstarter demo)

to my memory: the start of this sequence is a dummied out conditional branch in the "do you want to play cards" event, the path to basil's house has event triggers moved out of bounds so they can't be activated, and basil's house exterior and interior have a bunch of events overwritten by empty event pages with higher priority the only things that still work without any modding is mari asking you to slow down when running on every map on the way to basil's house, and mari saying you're going the wrong way if you try to use pluto's spaceway

oooo so you can see this message without modding! i don't know if i've mentioned it in a reply to another comment, but if you try to use pluto's spaceway while mari is with you, she still gives you the dialogue saying it's not the way to the empty house, even in the final game, because it only checks for the flag that mari is in the party - they just left the dialogue in since you aren't supposed to be able to leave the beach with her anyway. i don't remember for sure since it's been over a year now, but i'm fairly certain i was only clued into this sequence even existing because i had modded mari into the party, and she gave me that dialogue when i tried to travel with her

if you don't mind me asking... how did you know to name him that? that's the control code for triggering a common event via dialogue, which i didn't know rpgmaker even had... was this a recent discovery in the omori discord? (if you couldn't guess i haven't checked up on it very often)

@@napkin8920 ruclips.net/video/g8LMSyK7RrY/видео.html i saw this video. I can only do single didgets due to the character limit, so i was very lucky that tag anywhere was in the single digits. All the other ones that you can do without modding are purley visual. Save anywhere is also one you can do but i devided that one probably wouldnt really break anything other than putting you in a loop or opening the save menu forever. I really wanted to do stab anywhere but sadly it didnt fit the character limit for sunnys name. I still have more experimenting to do as i have only tested this stuff with 3 days left real world and the glitched headspace, but have yet to go through headspace 3 days left and thd rest of the game with this. It took me wround an extra 5 to 6 hours of gameplay to grind (i was level 8 when i started glitched headspace. I grinded snot bubbles since they would die automatically and give me a lot of exp because i was so underleveled,then i just grinded squzzards until i was a high enough level to beat humphrey. I had to sell like all my stuff to get the money for the tolls due to the fact i dudnt feel like getting beat up by snailey. I did use hero to lower the prices), beat last resort, then absolutly destroyed sweetheart due to the fact i was very underleveled. I had already done the cutscene where it tells you to get all the keys and then it teleports you to neighbors room, so that might have affected something. By the time i made it to sweetheart the stage was patcjed up in the cutscene before and after the boss, and for the rest of forever. You have to beat jawsum eventually to clear the fog to get to pyrefly forest. You could do picnic glitch to unlock pluto and fly there, but im on the most recent switch version so picnic is already patched.

I have some screenshots of some of the weird stuff that happened as well

I found this video by googling "mari empty house" because i was trying to figure out what cutscene i found. This was the only video i could find that somewhat matched up. I dont used discord very often so i decided to comment my findings here because i dont know where else to put this info

i mean, i figured she _was_ just referring to the sudden uptick in omori disappearances

@@napkin8920 Oh yeah, fair

bro this is ff6 💀💀💀 the only way to increase a character's speed stat in this game is by leveling them up with odin or cactuar equipped as an esper, a feature that doesn't unlock for another 6 hours

@@napkin8920 Hey numbnuts, NONE of your stats increase naturally. HP/MP being the only exceptions. You literally have the SLOWEST Terra with the one of the SLOWEST speed settings. Go be dishonest elsewhere. If you were interested in making an honest point, you would've used FF4,5,7,8,9, or even 12. Not the ONE game that DOESN'T have natural speed boosts.

@@napkin8920 Shove your disingenuous argument where the sun don't shine. NONE of your stats increase naturally. HP/MP being the only exceptions. You literally have the SLOWEST Terra with the one of the SLOWEST speed settings. Go be dishonest elsewhere. If you were interested in making an honest point, you would've used FF4,5,7,8,9, or even 12. Not the ONE game that DOESN'T have natural speed boosts.

@@napkin8920 that's one angry kid lol. So much so they keep unintentionally supporting counters to their own arguement.

@@Ashamedofmypast And there's the bigotry. Every time with you people. lol