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how do you know what to say if the clues lead in One direction

hate to burst your bubble, but it's already stated from the FF teams over the years that no FF game shares story/lore with another, unless it's a direct continuation such as X-2, XIII-2. So nothing that happens in FF10 has any effect on FF7.

Louder version.. was there.. a quiet version first?

The two worst Final Fantasy games, together, as God intended.

They just need Shantotto to defeat her for good.

I oove that Theorie it makes the whole gane first time round for me.

there is no way to understand FF8's time paradox that could easily be explained so don't be discouraged if you can't do either

She won because she is right. Time should be kompressed.

I really wish Square would’ve backed this. Such a missed opportunity. I’ve been playing this game for the last 25 years and it feels so obvious to me. This would tie together the weaker convoluted pieces of FF8’s story and give so much more meaning to it and the game’s big bad in my opinion. Square has always struggled somewhat with their writing and storytelling and this just feels silly to ignore the not so subtle clues. Square’s games are known for being fun to play but with stories that are confusing and hard to follow. Almost feels like this was their original intention and someone in charge said “no” at some point in its development because Rinoa as Ultimecia is too dark and they needed FF8 to be a lighter game than 7. This was and forever shall be my interpretation of the story. Ultimecia is Rinoa’s self-fulfilling prophecy. What she feared she’d become. Whatever you name Squall’s ring IS her literal GF. It is obvious. I love you, Square but if your official canon is that this game’s Sephiroth is a random disconnected hateful villain from the future no one knows anything about and isn’t introduced until Disc 3, you should be embarrassed.

i knew of the Squall id dead therory but never heard this one! its an interesting take on her too :)

Theory: Ultimecia is from Mortal Kombat universe.

this is still unanswered since 90s😅 but the Wing is a clue? somehow becomes black wing and Griever

this was a great final fantasy theory video 🔥

Ultimecia’s problem was never a lack of power. She was always powerful enough to cast time compression and she did so. Her problem was she did not possess Ellone’s power. Ellone was the ultimate trump card to Ultimecia. If even it existed, power stacking doesn’t change that.

Nah! Your theory assumes that Ultimecia is Hyne and that his powers belong to her. They don't. Her going back, created a double edged sword. Idea realised and started seed to stop her, that's where the idea was. But prior to that, in her original version SEED didn't exist. Seed is the difference.

She won my heart. Mama 🤤

People who deny the theory that Ultimecia is Rinoa are idiots who ignore the evidence and are in denial. If it's true it makes the story so much more romantic and poignant. And why did she summon Griever, Squall's symbol, and Griever sounds like grieving someone's death or some things. I believe there's evidence Ultimecia is Rinoa. Square-Enix could be lying about it to keep people guessing and a mystery, the game almost wants you to think she is and gives clues like what she says "time does not wait".

..🤔 But, 😐there is 1 major gap between 7 and 10 , unless 10 happened before 7...

Oh I just realized why nobody gets it "The Sorceress" and Ultimecia are basically separate entities. That's why they explicitly state the previous Sorceress Wars because it was to show this happened long before Ellone was born. "The Sorceress" has always been evil. As for the true form of this "Sorceress" is greatly unknown. We can only assume Hyne had something to do with it. Which could be Hynes corrupted Identity through all the Guardian Forcesthey used throughout the years thus forgetting their true purpose other than to "Exist". But again I want to really emphasize after she's dead nobody remembers her. Alll thanks to Guardian Forces.

I know it's confusing because magic and time travel is involved but the thing is Time Compression is why she's dead and why the Sorceress Power ends with Rinoa and Ultimecia. If it wasn't for the time loop of Ultimecia handing the power to Ednea to Rinoa which ends with Ultimecia again then we'd never get rid of her. It's the act of her giving the power to the past that allows us to escape Ultimecias Wraith. Because if she has no future successor then she can no longer exist. If she gave anyone her power at her own time period she can live on in a different way. But she chose to be the ultimate form of selfish desire and make the entire reality bend to her rather than build a legacy or memory. At the end of the game it's implied no one remembers Ultimecia thus making her entire existence feel invalidated as a sign of disrespect for all the harm she has caused. Meanwhile Squall and Rinoa live one to forge their own memories with all pain and trauma forgotten. Amazing story. Just to make sure you understand by having Ultimecia give the power into the past rather than the future she makes it so Sorceress's no longer exist past her own time period therefore she cannot exist past the point she was present. Because remember what Ednea said when Ultimecia appeared? "A Sorceresses cannot truly die until they pass on their power" and by having her do it in a timeloop with Ednea > Rinoa > Ultimecia > Ednea >>> Ultimecia we wouldn't be free of the Sorceress. It had to be Ednea if they wanted to break free. It was fate and luck that Squall led her there. If she picked any other person she would win but since she specifically picked Ednea she killed the Sorceress Power forever. That's kind why it was Lagunas plan. It's both his and her own plan but he was smarter by making her own plans backfire. Laguna predicted this. How? Not clear. It's vaguely implied thanks to Sqaull looking into the Past Laguna was able to see into the Future. That's why when they meet they're not really surprised.

I’ve always appreciated how many things can tie this theory together, but can’t bring myself to believe it because it makes me too sad for Rinoa 😢 I just want them to defeat the evil sorceress, not imagine the centuries of living on after all her friends and dog all pass, and just live happily ever after 😂

Lilith Scarlett and Hecate 😅

I find it interesting that people debate whether it is a time *loop* or not, without acknowledging other possibilities; I think it's more like a time *mobius*. A mobius being a single loop with a half twist. When Edea received Ultimecia's powers in the orphanage, everyone (the plot) entered the INSIDE of the loop. When Ultimecia is eventually defeated, this represents the one and only time where you cross that "twist" in the loop. When the party journeys back through the uncompression of time and "witnesses the same event again", it's actually just Squall and co. moving forward on the OUTSIDE of the loop. Squall witnessing the events he experienced as a child is explainable by the fact that time is uncompressing (i.e. the mobius has its twist here). The key to all of this is *you continue to live the rest of your life BEYOND the loop*. We see in the end credits everyone celebrating at Garden. It's like a loop-de-loop in Sonic; you go in, go around, and then go OUT. I came to this conclusion, in part, due to the "point-line-plane" postulate. Watch this video, and then the one on the 5th dimension on the same channel ruclips.net/video/MN4KC_zlW4g/видео.html&pp=ygUbSW1hZ2luaW5nIHRoZSA0dGggZGltZW5zaW9u basically, time is a dimension like any other (spatial), and thus, isn't simply linear. If shaped like a mobius, you can get a plot like this!

So Kitase actually retracted his statement on debunking this theory, it's alive boys.

This is exactly what I thought!

Had to show love for ffX-x2 content one of the best games of all time and the channels are critically underrated

The *Ultimate* *Winners* are all the guys that got to see *Selphie* in her *tight* *jumper* 💛 💛 🍰

The *Thunderplains* are easy compared to that *dam* Chocobo game.. bring on!! the *Lightningbolts* 🌩

I still think it's a little farfetched since after the concert and you return the storm is back

that makes a lot of sense. i like it

Very good as always.

This is a very interesting theory; I may be thinking too much into this, but it seems to me if the power was looped from the same source for an increase in power it would be similar to a break in the founding law of thermodynamics, BUT if each loop her powers grew almost like someone gaining experience, adeptness and strength through practice and exercise it would make a tremendous amount of sense to me.

So, if she knows, don't you think she would have known exactly who would slay her before hand, in each loop. Also, it's very unique how they front Edea as the antagonist, until Disc Three. I really like when they bring in plot twists like this, which also explains this has been a thing way before the plot we witness even happens. Adel is just very horrifically terrifying I never paid attention as to why they had no communications until the whole space station incident and the lunar Cry. Edit: Also, it looks like Ultimecia is reaching in for a hug in the thumbnail, hahaha!😂😂😂

I think the theory of Ultimecia is being used by Hyne against her will makes more sense. And one of the reasons I see this is where we see Ultimecia’s Final Form where we see the two different halves. Mind you, Ultimecia has of course created a time loop meaning that she’ll ultimately be the winner in the end; however, I also see that in this final form’s bottom half really stood out in a way that can support the idea that Hyne is using her and taking advantage of her weaknesses. She’s is of course being dragged along by Hyne’s Will which I believe the Top half of her final form represents. I think that as the time loop continues and continues until she finally wins, she subconsciously may have regretted or it’s a way of presenting to us that she’ll eventually regret complying with Hyne’s will. Definitely would like to hear what you have to say about this.

Why do fan theories need to be so depressing. 1) Squall dies 2) Rinoa is evil. Yall just hate happily ever after

this guy is driving me crazy he keeps going back and forth between how I say ultimicia and ultimeshia

ugh rebirth sorry hate the game

How is she defeated by Squall the first time if her defeat is contingent on and adult Squall planting the idea of SeeD in the mind of Edea in the past?

Ultimecia looks more like Quistis than Rinoa.

When I beat the game the 2nd time, I get the impression ultimacia won. While squall was lost in the void ultimacia deceived him to think she is rinoah with this forced happy ending so he could be her knight for the rest of his life.

Maybe time dilation can explain the difference of years would account for the differences we see in both games. After all, space travel is complicated business.

It is an infinite loop because you forget one thing. Rinioa gets Edea's powers and then Adel's making her stronger than the Ultimecia that casts Time Compression. Every loop Ultimecia gets stronger but so does Rinoa. The only way to break the loop is for Edea to kill Rinoa at the end of disc 1, and that's Edea'a play. History states that Seed beats Ultimicia, it never mentions Rinoa so Ultimecia never has Edea kill her before Rinoa becomes a sorceress.

So Jenova is the reincarnation of Yualeasca?

Good theory! I think their all linked...just companie secrets

How about we just say ...their all linked in some ways..all of the games including 13 and up

These are really weak arguments for Rinoa to be Ultimecia 🤕😵‍💫🤬

Why in the world do people keep thinking Ultimecia and Rinoa are the same person!??!? They are NOT!

They are all self-contained worlds and these "theories" are a waste

Your theory is my favorite theory and I'm now considering it cannon, lol.