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This video was beyond amazing! Thank you for it. FF VIII was my first FF and I played it like 15 times between 1999 and 2003. I loved it so much. Getting to know all these new pieces of information is just so exciting. Thank you again for all the work you put into making the video 💛

Fans = "Omg u gize Rynoah iz Ultameciers" The people who literally designed, wrote, and programmed the story and game = "No, she is not. They are completely separate characters." Fans = "......Rynoah. Iz. Ultameciers."😅

This is brilliant!

One thing I Noticed, (And Never heard Mentioned) is Ultimecia pre-battle speech she says "SeeD" six times, once for each of her opponents, Including Rinoa. It looks like she is counting all the SeeD in the crowd before her and sees Rinoa as just another SeeD.

Wouldn't killing Edea break the time loop ?

Come back man good videos

I think you are somewhat right, and maybe its also a bit of a draw. I was thinking you could also see it that she simply has achieved her goal to rule time when you go to her castle this is already in another time dimension or something, couldnt it simply be that this is what she is ruling. And because of the seed getting there she simply resets the loop because she will loose to the seed. But if she compresses time she keeps the loop going that causes squall to start the whole loop again causing her to be ruler of her own dimension the whole game until the point you reach her.

Ultimecia's must have had her power for a long tme because she grew black wings. You know how Adel's body was corrupted from containing the sorceress magic for too long.

There is always some higher power in these FF games. I really thought Kefka was corrupted because the Magic infused into him was becoming sentient through him becoming what he did in the final battle...

You uhh saying something? I was uhh distracted by the thumbnail.

I don't think she's the winner. I think there was something incredibly dark and tragic hinted at during her dialogue at the later part during her final form. She wanted to know everything about the past, present and future. As she gained that knowledge she *also* gained the knowledge of how things were going to end up and that she had made a huge mistake she'd pay for forever. She realized she was going to lose. And she realized she was going to go around and around time forever. In other words, she was begging Squall: "Think... About your childhood..." (Please kill me before I reach her this time!) But Squall, the party and even the player can't understand. This is why Squall appears briefly to witness Ultimecia pass on the curse. Ultimecia used the last of her power to take Squall there on purpose to strike her down. So I interpreted her final line of "Can't... Die... Yet." as her horror at realizing this didn't work. It didn't work all the other times and it won't work now. The Sorceress of time will spend an eternity of doing time in time itself. It is a Jojo villain fate for her!

Hyne is present in FFIII also. It's probably the original one and the same mentioned in FFVIII. Look at FFIII overworld map and compare it to FFVIII overworld map. The Centra continent is almost the same.

I like this. It's not an unlikely theory either as it's pretty clear there's plenty of overlap in the Final Fantasy games. Even basic concepts like the Lifestream and chocobo's, so why not this either? It'd actually be really interesting to expand on it like that. Great video.

i believe Ultimacia = the future Renoa i knew it's not ture BTW but if it's real FF8 is masterpiece for me

I wish I could just believe some theories without knowing that they got debunked

Cloud isn’t gay even though you want him to be

There is no connection or evidence to imply this.

ultimecia and rinoa not beine the same person is what eventually makes ff8's story kinda stupid and the whole naming greivor thing completely pointless. i still don't know why they wouldn't have jumped on that despite it not being their intentions - it adds something interesting to a ff most people dislike

Supposed that's true if ultimecia is first rinoa in that timeline about squall died on space. Then the question is, why is they're going to space in the first place? The reason is rinoa was unconsciousness so squall take her into space to meet ellone and then finding out she was possessed by ultimecia. If it's true, then how ultimecia were existed in first place?

I remember when I first heard this speech plus the music I was so amped tf up

People who waste their time in these theories is just too stupid for this world...

Also in Square pvp game Ultimicia has Rinoas weapon. Devs gave us so many hits, which is amazing. Love story telling which opens your imagination.

I wish Sapphire was made a more powerful Weapon, even as a kid i was disappointed it wasnt a playable boss fight lol

Cloud and Loghtning are siblings ;) just kidding haha but I've heard they modelled Remake Cloud's face on Lightning's face, and they're both named after aspects of the weather ;)

The creators can debunk whatever they want, Rinoa is Ultimecia.

Ultimecia is actually God and Rinoa is God's child Gian ✌

Sephiroth literally killed a Weapon with two hits in FF7 Rebirth.

Seymour wasn’t dead until Yuna and her guardians killed him at the temple of Macalania. After that event Seymour was then an unsent. This was very clearly shown and explained.

She's Rinoa

In Ultimecia's last form, you see her real body hanging from another form. My theory is that the other form is the original essence of Sorceress, Hein. Its such a mysterious entity, named throughout all of the game that it makes no sense to be forgotten. As ULtimecia gather the powers of all the Sorceress she becomes the true vessel of Hein, all its power finally joined in one place in time. So when it is defeated Hein just sends Ultimecia back in time again and again hoping that something will change... Elone may be part of Hein herself, being able to send cousciousness back in time, not being a Sorceress seems strange, it looks like a midpoint failsafe for her to able to control a huge extent of time. Jusy my 2 pennies here lol

Imagine if Sephiroth got defeated by the house (the one you fight in the slums in Midgar).

is the same with Young xehanort finally becomes the Old xehanort we knew .. and then Ansem come into play..

Explaining literally anything about Jenova makes her so much less interesting… the whole point is she’s an unknowable eldritch horror from the cosmos. That’s the whole point of the genre we call Lovecraftian horror. Taking ANYTHING as “evidence” of where Jenova comes from is completely missing the point. Even professor Gast made an error classifying her as an Ancient. And when the smartest people in the game’s lore are making mistakes, that’s the game telling you it’s something beyond knowing. You’re not supposed to know what she is.

I was like “damn do I have to kill her? She got a hell of a tattooed body…”

So like a new game+, eh? Thats an interesting thought.

You sold me on the theory, it makes sense that the emperor would do this as he is obsessed with possesing everything. It also would showcase that gilgamesh despite not knowing which dimension he goes to isn't one not traversed. Though he may lose his evil self to ultimecia in the timeloop for a time, their are numerous ways to gain new found powers across the infinite that is final fantasy, some worlds like 15 and 12 wouldn't suit his needs but would still observe to learn their ways to better hone his already brilliant mind. While worlds like 6 and 7 peak his interests that spring new inspirations. Actually... in 13-3 with bhunevelza he holds those exact same characteristics as mateaus before being expunged from the creation of the new world. That may actually be where his his light hearted side went as a god of salvation

In the original Japanese version and certain translations , Ultimecia states that she is going to probe their minds and use their fears to destroy them. Hence Griever. There's no evidence that Griever is a real GF.

I got sent this video for the video it's a good theory just one problem it's stated in the diary in the shinra mansion that sephiroth reads that the scientists named her jenova and that aeriths real mom had the knowledge that jenova was bad and if my memory serves it's stated as soon as she landed on that planet the ancients knew she was evil and tried to stop her

Hey man I love you video but I got one what is Sephora's with claus father

Hey here's a good story what is Sephora was a good guy but adopted clown

Love this theory

The theory of cloud being a shinra make some element of crisis core somehow both sweeter and sadder. Lazard, as a Angeal copy, dies protecting a comatose Cloud. This theory being true means he died protecting his younger half-brother.

That is just pure unadulterated retardism.

7 and 10 should be a shared universe for 17...

Don’t make sense did he say Spira and Gaia two different worlds Jenova or Yunalesca travelled to Gaia from Spira so explain how Shinra from Spira is same Shinra from Gaia

Great theory! I’m playing rebirth and this has me thinking, what if the Gi are Shinra from x and his crew that first established the Shinra power company? It would make sense why they can’t return to the lifestream it they were intended to go to the farplane.

nobody hates you for buying rebirth? we just hate ff7 remake/rebirth for not being fucking ff7 lulz

Interesting, and if you go with sorceress power that gets passed on = Hyne living on through this process, he/artimesia get strong enough to return to his GodHood and fufill his goal of starting creation over. Damn lol

Jenova didn't make the black materia, it was the Gi tribe. Not being native to gaia when they died their spirits didn't pass on because the lifestream didn't accept them. In hopes to end the cycle of being trapped they focused their malice in ordet to make the black materia, in hopes that if the planet gets destroyed they can finally move on. The ancients made holy in order to combat this

I think this is a really good theory ❤