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The Breona Taylor incident comes to mind.

The "premiere" swat school in Oklahoma had 0 days on the range.

I’m a 25 year LAPD Street Cop who has worked South Central and been involved in many critical incidents, and OIS’s and I could not possibly agree with you any more! Well stated. I see quite a bit of everything you described. I address these issues when I see them in my sphere of influence, and in debriefs. But like Matt said, a lot of it boils down to far to many phoning it in during training, and picking up shit habits from other Officers. Anyway… great discussion fellas.

I don't do well with cringe. This is hard to watch. Where do people get such strong delusion from?

Can you post a link to that Dan Cooper paper please.

If you want to understand the 1-3 year retention problem; go out, as a lieutenant or higher and spend a few patrol shifts actually doing all the paperwork and tasks you're placing on your line level officer's plate. The task creep of "it just takes a couple minutes" is absurd. That shit adds up exponentially and sucks any joy out of the job.

Matt Pranka in NC? I’m in NC. Trying to get into training courses, do you do any and if so where??

There are 509 state and local LE agencies in NC alone out of the 50 States....and this video has only 569 views total at the 3 month mark. That is concerning. Also, Matt made a great point about many agencies showing a definite preference for writing 7 figure liability checks versus 5 figure checks for [relevant] live fire training.

“That’s kinda ghey…” - Lucas, existing.

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Where can I find some of the drills mentioned? Besides the cqb warmup

Why is it that cops are so eager to learn how to kill, but not eager to learn the law? Do you guys have constitution marksmanship?

This wasnt a debate 😂 this was an assault.

Love this

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Feels like you guys just about had him when inviting him to come train, and then flipped a switch and Matt just roasted him from there on out, felt like an opportunity might have been missed to turn him around. Unfortunately I think everything after that point just forced him to become more entrenched in his in-experienced and kinda dumb ideas. So he will probably keep spewing poor training ideas on his channel for a long time. That being said, a local PD officer that uses "Hanging in a parking lot BSing with your friends and not going out to Hunt" to describe the difference between the two things officers should be doing every day is cringy at best, and extremely problematic at worst. Its "serve and protect" not "chill and hunt" Dude probably deserves to be de-platformed.

Somebody had to salt the snail

Matt is tuned up.

i like pranka lol

Matt, Chris and Nick I don’t know how you guys deal with the aggravation from trying to have these discussions. What “cake” attempts to bring to the table is bad enough, when he tries to give his statements any sort of structure and weight to stand up to analysis you quickly realize it has no substance. The fact people can’t humble themselves to take constructive criticism anymore is astounding and is the first hurdle in trying to have these conversations. Well done fellas, I had to walk away a couple times before I could make it through the video so I can only imagine what was going through y’all’s minds. Props for inviting and offering a spot in your classes! I would be ecstatic for the opportunity to be a sponge in any class each of you teach, I’d put money that he doesn’t take any of you up on the offer, maybe I’m wrong but something tells me he won’t put himself in the situation if he can’t control the outcome.

How do guys like “cake” think they have even an entry level understanding of these topics and skills to make such bold statements and stand behind them so cocksure in front of 3 guys with SOOO much knowledge and experience in literally EVERYTHING when it comes to shooting??? I would be humbled to have a conversation with these guys then to be told they would give me a spot in their training class!! I just didn’t understand the lack of humility to just admit “I was talking out my ass, let me take this constructive criticism and make a change going forward” I would like to give him respect for coming on but the hardheaded approach to trying to explain his comments lacks the honesty and self awareness to just admit being wrong. This guy has no business putting out “training” videos to anybody. Try to back up his ideas with his own “experience” and putting that against guys like Matt??

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Officer Cake you will be alright if you reset and listen to Matt. I found tremendous value from action shooting matches. Also training and practice based on case law and a vigorous dry fire program. Low light IDPA in duty gear is awesome. A lifelong pursuit of accuracy at speed will save your life!

Cleaning up the industry one live at a time

Where can a civilian get the CQB drill you have been talking about????

Nick shreds and cake pop can’t. Nick knows how and why and how to get you there. How this dude can’t recognize he’s waaay out of his depth is weak ass shit

This is like watching a parent talk to a child…..it’s a bit hard to watch.

You guys arguing with guys like this online is funny I guess but it would be like me making a RUclips about racing nascar and never even raced one race and then 3 nascar racers have me on their show to tell me how I dont know what I’m talking about lol. He has like 200 subscribers lol

Yikes. He is not interested in getting better. He’s an IG cop with a badge who has not had anything tested in the real world and it shows. His ego is in his own way.

Haha, geebus, you guys brought a guy on your podcast to ask him his opinion and the approach you guys take is wild, probably didnt even trigger a change in mindset. There is a venn diagram relationship between use of force and competitive shooting. Skills and mindset can be interchangeably. Target focus for example is used in both worlds.

Bro brought alot of arrogance to the table and got roasted.

I switched over and watched a couple videos from the “kinetics concepts” guy and wow! I can see why you guys and especially Matt would get so hot about what’s being represented as “cqb” and “tactics”. He was recommending switching to non dominant positions depending on each entryway he approached! I don’t think any of the people subscribing and praising him like it was some “eureka!!” moment of brilliance when I would guarantee him nor any of his fans could accurately shoot and move from just their strong side!

I like practical professionals.

Been following some of you guys for a while and I just wanted to say thank you for the incredible content you guys put out on these topics. These are a little hard to find but it’s such good information and would be very eye opening for a lot of people in these communities that overlap in the gun culture because these topics are so important in everything from professional to self/home defense training and the way most of the “training” market is selling them all hot garbage.

Dudes on insta saying yall didnt allow him to talk...homie just didnt have any answers 😂😂

Now that I'm about 3/4 through this... it's easy to see this cake guy is 100% getting his info from GBRS videos.. he is literally repeating all the crap they say. The shoulder crap.. the riser crap.. the head upright crap... the camo form wrap crap... the plates facing the target... He's literally ver batim parroting GBRS bs. I'd put money he learned the shoulder thing from Slade

Matt in the last 3 minutes 🤣

I’m going to direct his subscriber here

I love how pranka calls people on their idiocy lol

Destroying training tropes one logic bomb at a time. 💥

Got 5 min in and had to stop listening. Glad the guy was willing to at least have a conversation, but even how he was expressing his idea was painful.

You don't know what you don't know

Cake got baked

Officer “cooked”

Your trainer officer today is Officer Cake. Assisting him will be Officer Sprinkles and Officer Frosting.

So as far as stress inoculation goes, you probable feel the stress from competition more because you’re already inoculated to some of the other stressors you mentioned. A foot chase or car chase is probably not stressful to you (although it is, you’re just inoculated to it) because you’ve been in lots of them. Your 100th swat raid is less stressful than your 1st, etc. Force on force training at handgun ranges, particularly complex scenario training has been the best training I’ve had

@Officercake This was rough, but HUGE props to you for having the balls to step up to the plate with some major league dudes who are known for not sugar coating things. 98% of LE dudes I have worked with don't give half a shit about training and you obviously care and are motivated. That's a huge win compared to most officers out there and I appreciate that you care. Try to take some of this knowledge to heart and apply it in the future. I've been an LE instructor for a few years now and I wish I had the knowledge I have now when I started teaching others. It's a journey though, and I think you care enough to apply lessons and grow better. Based on context clues I think we are pretty close to each other. If you're near South Central TX and want to train (private LE range) hit me up!

We all had no experience or limited experience at one point. Dude is seeking out info and training. I give him credit there.

I don’t know if I’m stress inoculated enough to make it through this video