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@@h3llrazah420 lots of tutorials here to check out! They should help you get started!

@@atkpwrgaming I plan too bro. Do you have one you recommend I should watch first?

I caught them in the yellow forest where my units could still use their more powerful LMGs and none of the units could utilize their close range weaponry

@atkpwrgaming Ohh right okay, I was so shocked when you ended up winning that. I never would've thought your troops win that engagement- I need to get used to the ranges more in this game!

That is likely not the sound exploit. It's most likely people using smart orders like Fire at will, Counter battery or defensive fire. Fire at will for example will target anything and everything on the field with pinpoint accuracy. I highly doubt anybody is actually using the sound exploit in 10v10.

@@frubblord1 Defensive fire would require them marking that specific area (it's not a big circle), so if he's moving the stuff around a lot it's probably one of the others. I think this is more likely in 10v10 than normal, but still not very likely. To find artillery using sound, it must a) be SPG and b) the player doing it has to spend a lot of time not looking at visible units (including their own). If someone is a "dedicated artillery guy", which could be a thing in 10v10, there's a small chance that guy is doing this. More likely, by far, is that SPG gets spotted by recon, because AFAIK most SPG vs high optics will be spotted at the cap of 3000m, and recon will try to forward position if it can. It's pretty hard to fully hide from 3000m of viewing distance entirely, unless the map is just full of cover. Of course, opponent might just be seeing the shot tracers and manually firing at them too. I am not that good at the game overall, but can still do this fairly easily. It does kind of annoy me that the tracers from mortars are so obvious, but at least counter-battery won't shoot at them, has to be defensive fire or manually targeted to hit mortars. Funny/annoying this about mortars is that they're fast enough to dodge arty if you queue a shot with them then move...unless the enemy has a big, inaccurate dispersion circle. Then they might hit your mortars anyway, and due to low health kill them ^_^. I don't think even that works against mortars on wheels though...radio-corrected shot mortars in trucks are no joke, really hard to get rid of if also behind AA, same with SPG.

Most likely a Recon plane flew by.

@@TheMelnTeam 10v10 players are functionally retarded. 0% chance they are using these exploits. These are only for 1v1 players.

It's not targeting my arty and by B phase AA is so thick that no planes survive. I'm talking about wiping out a KT hiding in yellow forest without having a chance to fire a shot.

Yeah they should be able to generate a flag if theres a game limit to firing and continue the q move until it can fire or it arrives at position

@@DrWacher Tanks which can't shoot should definitely not stop when set to the hunt order.

Attack ground will deal more damage in fights between soft targets with small arms, outright killing target faster. Unless they move or you mistime it and reset cooldown on a grenade throw that would have gone off anyway, for example, in which cases it reduces your damage. You can attack ground onto tanks with infantry and HMG. A few HMG will suppress a light tank if it just sits in that and the thing doesn't move or counter-fire them and suppress/kill them first (unless distracted, it will). Infantry firing an LMG at a stug...TECHNICALLY adds suppression, but it's such a tiny amount that a stug would still kill hundreds of deployment cost in infantry doing that before it gets pinned. The only value you can get out of doing this is to make the tank first turn at the infantry (which otherwise might not be detected) so you can shoot it in the side with something else...you'd get nearly as much value just shooting at the floor to reveal the unit lol. I don't think it's possible to outright kill tanks with small arms fire from infantry, maybe not from HMG either. At least if it is, I haven't seen it in tests. The only way I've seen the tank is lost is if it gets "pinned" in a situation it will surrender (most common when it drives into/near flamethrower guys). Unless you have a habit of driving tanks deep into enemy territory and then not watching them, it's very unlikely you'll get a tank surrendered by infantry small arms spamming it. And even then, they can save a few minutes by just calling in a PIAT guy or something.

@@TheMelnTeam good to know, thanks. I wonder now if it works more efficiently on open-topped vehicles? Do they outright take more suppression or splash damage?

@@czwarty7878 I haven't tested whether those get suppressed more because they're open top, or just because open top vehicles also tend to have much less armor (which % damage reduces HE damage generally).

@@TheMelnTeam good vehicle to test it on would be M10 vs other closed-top but similarly armored vehicle (PzIII L, PzIV J?) and compare

Give the arty an Attack ground order and then set them to return fire. They will hold that order until you turn off the return fire.

@@frubblord1 This, and it also works for regular arty and mortars! Even those 540m range mortars are a bit less useless if you have a predicted attack direction, although the soviet 800m version is a lot nicer to work with, even low-range mini-mortars can predict approach and release return fire to volley shots pretty quickly. Can easily change the outcome of forest fights, maybe enough that you consider making room for them in support on decks where otherwise have bad CQC infantry to play around. Hard to use target ground with pinned troops! Some of the commonwealth decks get these on transport vehicles, too. Quite possibly worth the 15 point price tag.

appreciate it bro

yes, if you are confident that you are about to blow up a group of bad guys, you can attack ground with a pioneer unit and toss a grenade in there. This is a sound tactic for when you are being pushed out of a cqc area but reinforcements are only 75m out or something, falling your cqc troops back with a pio prepping to throw a grenade into the area the enemy is chasing you is a wonderful way to buy some much needed frontline stability to buy you some time

God this one makes me so furious sometimes

@@czwarty7878 Learned this the hard way, fortunately just in skirmish with AI. Lost several vehicles getting shot with magic, non-reciprocal LoS.

I suppressed german HT with 2 Maxims.

@@ElpredatorGYRO Yeah I did some testing around it and the lighter the armor, the easier to suppress. HT are not a brickwall to inf as they used to be.

@@ElpredatorGYRO that's 50 pts worth of units dealing with a 5pt unit in the most sub-optimal way possible

@@danya8862 When you have no AT and no other mean to deal with it.

@@danya8862 Yeah you shouldn't use it as the main way to deal with armor but it can replace it in some clutch situations.

True but first you will still get damaged by splash (TNT has massive blast and to clear out without being hurt you need to run before the grenade even flies), and secondly the main problem is that this breaks the rock-paper-scissors balance of CQC units. Entire strength of flamer is ability to panic and force-move the units and this trick removes it, and forces you to fall back even though you have unit that should have superiority in this scenario. It is so controversial because it breaks the design that shouldn't exactly be changeable, even by micro. It's as if there was a micro trick to make LMG win vs snipers - such thing just shouldn't happen by design tbh

@@czwarty7878 Oh I know. But it is what it is, just trying to ease some of the pain ;) Besides, I get the idea of rock-paper-scissor, but it simply was never the case in higher level play. Pure tnt units would rarely defeat smg squads as players would break LoS before the throw could happen.

Its there so pzgrens are not cqc monsters

@@hibikinyan7180 exactly. It was lifted on release and actually for at least a year LMGs could shoot below 100m, but they came back to this (it was first SD44 mechanic, lifted in SD2 on release) because there was just no way to balance infantry without it. Back then Panzergrenadiers could shockingly often win vs Avtomatchiki in green forest.

@@hibikinyan7180 there are other ways to do it, instead of making it worse than a rifle.

It's in every game. Some guy just broke LoL by calling hidden API's in the League Client, ending a game after 1 minute 20 seconds.

CoH2 as well

Coh3 too. It's in every game lol

I wouldn't consider turning off parts of the bomb loadout or groundattacking with the pioneers higher level skills though. You hear about it often enough in your videos so it's just something that you need to remember. And if you focus on starting doing this you will usually remember when the situation requires it.

The Support SDKFZs should've definitely been brought in A because of what Atkpwr said. Bringing them in B phase isn't that good either because the availability increase is low. They also can't deal with Shermans because Shermans have aim time buff (stabilizer) which allows them to shoot first. The HEAT accuracy is really low too so its primary role should always be dealing with soft targets which it is very good at, the HEAT simply being a nice bonus. Blindee is very good on this map so it wasn't a bad pick, I think you won because you played better.

Well played. I agree with vevos. Bring support 75mm in A. They are so cheap and there are less stuff on the field which can kill them in A. Blindee is deadly on Orsha East, but you managed deal with its best tools

Blindée is one of the best pick on orsha east furthermore against GD. It is just that he played badly the div and made an awful deck (without be severe just fact). I would say that your pick was bad but you outplayed him. In a equally skilled game you would have lost.

@@colonelkoenig42birhakeim42 Thanks for your input. I'm sure that Blindée is a good div for that map but can you elaborate why you think it's a good matchup for Blindée? I thought it wasn't a good matchup because GD can block out an area with a Panther as Blindée would struggle with those. You still have good inf that you can support with some light armor and can also counter Blindées airforce. If you say it's a bad matchup for GD i take it but I'm curious to see why. Maybe it should be a good matchup if you play it mav as you're supposed to, is this what i'm missing?

Requires still some micro and analysis of the situation unless the skies are completely free