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If you accept and embrace the inehernt limitations of no input techniques (unpredictability, instability, etc) you can definetely do a lot of stuff with them 😊

@@kainewman723 thanks! Much appreciated!

@@antiphlex perfection! Love that!

@@BukoczeRecords Thanks!

@@littlebritain64 You're welcome! Happy to share great stuff with you!

@@AndreijRublev Vedo che nel video parli italiano. Allora mi "sfogo" nella mia lingua!😄 Da tenere in considerazione anche la ricerca fatta non rammento se da Farfisa o da General Music sul chip proprietario o sistema DRAKE. Poi sarebbe interessante ripercorrere il lavoro fatto dalla sezione di ricerca sonora della facoltà universitaria di Pisa, il C.N.U.C.E. , che collaborava con il centro di musica fiorentino Tempo Reale. Conosco uno degli ultimi ingegneri che entrò giovane a fine anni '60 al C.N.U.C.E. ed abita poco fuori Pisa. Non troppo vicino a casa mia ma mi piacerebbe intervistarlo....

@@littlebritain64 sarebbe bellissimo riuscissi a raccogliere quell'intervista (nei limiti del possibile, ovviamente)! Preservare la memoria di quel mondo, del tempo e delle persone che ne hanno fatto parte è una cosa molto importante secondo me e molto poco praticata purtroppo. È soprattutto uno spaccato interessantissimo sull'industria, sulla ricerca e di storia del lavoro e sociale dell'italia del dopoguerra. Sicuramente una situazione che meriterebbe più attenzione, un bel lavoro di conservazione e di divulgazione.

Thanks! In this case you have two indipendent channels, so you need at least one mono splitter to duplicate an output and patch it back into its own input. Then you send the other splitted signal to the second channel input and from the second channel output to the audio interface/mixer/whatever. You can add more complexity with another splitter, but it is not necessary. One is required anyway.

@@Qwerttyuiop1 merzbow and quiet are two words that sound weird close to each other hahaha

Not yet, but feel free to do it!

@@lofimat3856 Thanks! Happy you like it!

It's rather difficult. In general these audio circuits are designed to handle a hot/saturated signal. Unless the unit is old and with some issues it shouldn't be a problem.

@@AndreijRublev Do yu use it also for EQin or just als FeedBack Maschine?

@@lofimat3856 I use it only as a feedback machine, but it works well also as a standard EQ.

@@AndreijRublev Than yu much for Answering me!!

@@lofimat3856 you're welcome! Always happy to help!

@@AntonyNorthcutt Unbalanced ones, so TS.

@@AndreijRublev I'm a new disciple of your work so any recommendations on ones to buy? I love your work!!

@@AntonyNorthcutt First of all I'm glad you like it! Thanks! My suggestion is to check for second hand or partially broken mixers (of any kind, any model, size, etc) so you can start experimenting with routing and feedback, you can play with the unusual interface and explore how it reacts. No real rule, just have fun. Just be careful with the volume. As I say in the video I reccomend using something to control the volume between your no input setup and your speakers or earphones/headphones (an audio interface, another mixer, or whatever device allows you to control the output volume of your setup). If you have any specific question feel free to write me here, more than happy to help you!

@@AndreijRublev I just bought a MX1604A and currently looking at the Vermona Filter Lancet - going all in!!

@@AntonyNorthcutt Great choice! Filters are one of my favourite effects to combine with no input mixers, especially if they have some sort of envelope follower, so they can interact actively with the feedback.

@@luistavares6670 Thanks!

From what I understood about this topic in the previous months (speaking with people with more knowledge than me and reading comments around the internet): it is a difference between AC current and DC current. Audio signal is AC and CV is DC. Mixers are of course built to handle audio signals, so when you put a CV signal into a mixer circuit it just interfere with the audio feedback, (if the CV signal is strong it cuts out the audio one, if it is weak it just change it a little bit) then the circuit goes back to its normal state and goes back to the audio feedback.

@@AndreijRublev Oh that makes sense!

Thank you! Glad you like it!

Happy you like these sounds and found this channel!

You are too kind! Just a normal guy here who like to make some noise eheh.

Thanks for your kind words! In this video I used the effects pedal between the no input setup and the audio interface (the path is roughly: main out of the mixer > effect pedals > audio interface), so they don't interact with the feedback' signal chain. However you can totally put them in the signal chain of the feedback, as you wrote in your example (whatever mixer output > effects > channel input) or even between your instrument and the mixer (drumbrute > effects > channel input). The possibilities are a lot in terms of patching. Experimenting with different type of routing is always fun and can lead to unexpected and interesting results!

You can also consider that in a mixer there are a lot of inputs that you can use both to make external sound sources interact with the feedback chain or to patch the mixer signal back into itself, and outputs (in many units they are even more than the inputs) and every output can be used to send the signal back into the mixer to create more complex interactions. That's basically and endless playground and for me it is always a lot of fun exploring it.

@@AndreijRublev Thank you for your explanations, it’s perfectly clear! Indeed, there is a lot to experiment with, I already know that I will spend hours and hours there... Thanks to you ;)

Glad to hear it! Thank you!

I don't actually know what VL stands for but thank you!

​@@AndreijRublevIt's Yamaha's way of branding... I don't know either, but it does have other names: "Virtual Acoustic synthesis" and "digital waveguide synthesis". And holy 13:42 that one sounds almost the same as DinoPerc!

@@lightascend2524 Oh got it! Didn't know that name, thanks!

Actually: entering the studio pretty soon with a drummer too ;-)

Love your passion dude, hope to hear it soon!!!

@@KeaneFreeman thank you so much! I Really appreciate!

Thanks!

Thanks! Happy you like it!

Thanks!

In this video I used two pedals in the feedback chain (the routing is: mixer > phaser > delay > back into the mixer) and two pedals after the feedback chain (mixer > filter > reverb > audio interface).

I don't exactly remember the signal flow in the example with pedals only, but I assume it was something like: reverb > distortion > phaser > delay > distortion > filter > audio interface. Not completely sure anyway.

The mixer modules are the default ones that come with vcv rack. I used the 2.0 version. Don't know if with later versions they replaced them. Anyway you can find a ton of mixer modules on vcv rack website and download them for free, if you can't find the one that I used in the video.

Happy you found some inspiration in our videos! Insert channels can be super useful to add effects in the feedback chain (delays, filters, eqs, etc)!

@@AndreijRublev Interesting. Thanks for the "feedback" 🤣 Anyway, Insert cables are split right? Tip-send, Sleeve-receive... so are Insert cables different to stereo-twin mono cables? If so, how would you use the cables in cross-channel patches? Do you have a video on any of this?

Thank you so much! Glad you liked it! Yes, John Zorn is a great example for impro orchestras.

Hahaha I like that too! One of my favourite directors and movie!

@@AndreijRublev No but seriously is this a common name in Russia?

@@tbsq1114 I don't really know. In my case it is an art name (and of course a reference to the painter and the movie)! I'm from Italy actually.

@@AndreijRublev Oh I thought this was your real name! I know a tennis player with this name also.

yep, absolutely. Feedback based sound generation is such a basic principle that you can apply it in many different fields and ways. Such a fascinating and creative thing!

Totally! Adding some effects in the feedback chain is always fun and can lead to even more unexpected results!

@@AndreijRublev also because they propagate and multiply indefinetly.

Happy it was useful!

Thank you! Happy you like it! Greetings from Italy!

No question is dumb! The answer is yes, totally. That's the reason why I suggest to use something (an audio interface, another mixer or even a guitar pedal with a volume control) in between the no input mixer and your speakers (or headphones) so you can set the max volume with that added level of gain staging. In this way you can avoid any damage to your speakers, hearphones and ears.

If you work with line level signal is nearly impossible to damage the mixer. Are you using xlr or jacks? Be sure to turn the phantom off if you use xlr cables.

Thank you so much! Super happy it was useful and inspiring! Have fun with it ;)

Thank you so much! I really appreciate you took the time to watch it and happy that your discovered something new! Yes, free impro sometime is real something magic, that's why we love it ;)

hahaha you got me! I'm not a purist at all ;-)

@@AndreijRublev 😜

Thanks!

Thank you!

Yes you can. Usually DAWs try to avoid that but there are some workarounds, depending on the DAW you use. Otherwise you can try to do it with another software like VCV rack. If you are curious I have a tutorial on how to emulate the behaviour of an hardware mixer in a digital environment. You can find it here: ruclips.net/video/gCTCeowpgLw/видео.htmlsi=JPTY5FSywpVtYbR-

Totally agree! It can be super precise and at the same time create unexpected stuff.

Totally

Thank you so much! Really happy you like it!