Your mixer is a synth! / No Input mixing techniques tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2023
- Hello everybody and welcome!
Today I show you the basics of no input mixing techniques with a couple of practical examples and a few suggestions and thoughts on this particular way of using feedbacks in musical contexts.
If you have any question feel free to ask in the comments, I'm more than happy to help you in your journey into this fascinating world!
@SimonTheMagpie watched this video and used it to explore the no input techniques on his own channel! Thank you Simon for having me as a guest! Check his video here:
• Every Garbage Mixer Is...
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Since many people asked this question and I didn't mentioned it in the video I thought to write the answer here: yes, you can use active mixers but DON'T USE THE AMPLIFIED OUTPUTS to generate a feedback loop, because they will FRY your circuit. Use only the passive outputs.
and this work only on analog mixer ;)
@@PatternFactoryOperat Not necessarily. Depends on if you can defeat noise suppression and may need to seed the feedback loop with a noise input source. It happens to be self-starting on analog because of the noise floor properties.
@@PatternFactoryOperat you can do it on a computer with e.g. ableton live, an audio interface and mixing in some guitar effect pedals etc, routed in & out in a loop, and then performed with your imagination through a midi controller. Just be carefull with gain staging to protect your ears. Learn how your specific feedback system reacts. But yeah, some kind of analog/acoustic signal needs to be involved to make it feed.
Je suis surpris
Would a pre amp on the mixer register as an amplified output?
Shout out to Simon The Magpie for showing me this!!! I’m very happy to find another awesome channel
Thank you so much! Happy to have you here!
Same Here!! Andreji, I had literally boxed up a xenyx1622fx on 2023-04-19 that was going to be thrown out this weekend. I had NEVER considered trying this! And I DO believe in your ethical reason too - at the very least, I will try. Thank You for honestly inspiring my to try this. I've subscribed!!
@@e.b.1279 thank you! The ethical part of it is something that really matters to me, so I'm super glad to hear that.
One of my favorite tricks for feedback loops is to put a stereo tremelo pedal at the end of a loop and split it to two different channels. Without turning on the pedal you can simply achieve a two channel loop from a single output which is cool, but when you turn it on you can get awesome rhythm! Unplug either channel with high depth in the tremolo to get hard chops. I use a behringer ultra tremelo pan for this method cheers to the freaks out there 🎉
Sounds awesome! Thanks for sharing this trick!
Wow, just cancelled my plans for the rest of the day to go play with feedback!! Thanks for a fantastic tutorial
Super happy to hear that! Have fun!
You can use a trig out from a drum machine, which is just a 5v pulse, in combination with this technique, to create more rhythmic pulses of feedback
Totally! I use also cv signals in more complex setups but here I tried to cover the basics to not have a 3 hours long video ;)
@@AndreijRublev I want to see CV used 👍
It's on the list ;)
@silvertongues2 how would you do that?
@@baileyallenbaker You can connect a sequencer (or a drum machine trig out, as suggested) that sends a cv signal to any audio input of a no input mixer since it is a rather small voltage (usally 5v) and it will interact with the feedback loop in intersting ways with no damage to the circuit.
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you are first have a cookie 🍪
@@epiphonium can i get a cookie too..?? please.. 🥺🥺🥺
Very very cool! The example clips near the end blew my mind. Toshimaru Nakamura's "No-Input Mixing Board" albums are my favorite examples of this technique
Absolutely a master and a reference!
Thanks for this. Seeing all the live jams at the end was awesome. What a concept! And just using what you have on hand - that is powerful. Looking forward to more.
Thank you! There will be more in the future!
Excellent work Andreij! So happy to have a tutorial from you
Thank you! Happy you enjoyed it!
You explain in a very easy to understand way and I appreciate that. I have an old mixer and I have to experiment with that too. Great video, thanks for sharing! :)
I tried to be as clear as possible, happy to hear that it worked! Thank you for the kind words!
Yup. At the end of the day it is all nothing but voltages inside an audio circuit that are being altered. The basics of how a sound is created and shaped inside an analog synth :) Even without an actual raw-sound generating oscillator. A Feedback loop is a great idea. You can even use a ground-hum noise as a sorta source for a raw sound that you can shape. And turning an often unwanted humming buzz into a usable sound to shape and alter.
Totally agree!❤
I agree, I use feedback and pedals. Sometimes I'll use a cheap unfiltered non isolated power supply alongside high gain units like Metal Zone and Tube Screamers, you can really start to work that 50hz when you clip it hard.
More interesting than* 99% of the modular nerds on YT...
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legit one of the best music making videos I've ever seen. you're a legend. thank you!
Thank you so much for your super kind words!
It's amazing what sounds and beats are hidden inside mixers.
It's always a surprise for me too, even after so many years using this technique.
@Andreij Rublev I've managed to get some quite varied sounds by patching two mixers together in various ways. Recently I've been exploring no input with guitar pedals too (using a passive matrix mixer or stereo splitter to create feedback loops with them). There are some which give quite interesting results even on their own, such as the Boss MO-2.
@@domek. Sounds great! I never used a matrix mixer but it's on my list!
@Andreij Rublev Definitely a very useful tool for sound experimentation!
I almost threw out a bad mixer & now I am eternally grateful I did not!! Will be trying this when I wake up 🔥🔥🔥
Glad you didn't do it! And have fun with it! It's always magic to give a new life to something that apparently is "dead".
You are amazing - enjoyed that video very much.
Good explanations and demonstration, Thanks
Thank you for your kind words!
This kind of inventiveness and unpredictability reminds me of the instruments made by Soma, such as the Lyra and Pulsar. Great stuff!
Thank you!
Inventiveness? I mean, don't get me wrong video is nice, but people have been doing no input mixer processing since the 80's lol.
@@0CETI absolutely, and feedback is used in electroacoustic and electronic music since the beginning of electronic music itself. I didn't invented anything obviously, just showed it in a simple way!
@@0CETI maybe I can add a couple of references in the video's description to make it more clear and help people to explore different ways it was used in the past and nowadays. There are tons of amazing artists who worked with this technique!
It's a new technique for me, and I've been making electronic music since the 1980s. I guess it's similar to tape loops and "pinging" - ideas that go back to the musique concrete era, but never achieved mainstream recognition.
PERFECT, found myself an MX802A not too long ago, stoked to try these out :)
Cheers Andreij (+ Simon the Magpie for the link to this!)
Ohhh glad to hear that! Let us know how it will go!
Andreij, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and experience. I saw this today and immediately set up my old mixer and spent a few hours having a great time. I’ve recently been using Berna3 and have been looking for a similar approach in Ableton live. This may be it, along with some creative thinking on my part. It is unpredictable but I’m in the mood for a challenge. I’ve subscribed and will be watching for some more insights and inspiration :)
Thank you! I really like Berna and all of the Giorgio Sancristoforo's virtual instruments!
Excellent video, I've been meaning to try this for a few years now, I think it's finally the time
Glad it inspired you! Have fun!
man, this is sick. I come from simon the magpie channel. I will watch this video a bunch of times. liked and subscribed ofc. keep up, good luck!
Thank you! Happy you liked it!
I greatly enjoyed listening to you talking about your passion and philosophy at the end of the video at least as much as the practical tutorial itself.
Thank you! Much appreciated!
Today I learned a cool new way to use mixers, thank you!
Happy it was useful!
Thank you for freely sharing your knowledge with us. This has pushed away my desires for an unobtainable Syntrx
Always happy to share good stuff! Thank you!
I just want to thank you, this video was in my recommended and I tried this today and it was the most fun I had in a while
Tried it just with just a few pedal for now, I’m gonna try it next with the rc202 and the Syntakt to see what shenanigans I can make but it scares me a bit more because my mixer is an old mackie, the ones with the crazy gain, lot of character to it but also powerful
Thanks again 🙏
Thank you! I'm super happy you are having fun!
The technique always amuses me.. It is such a mysterious and lovely technique..
It's still surprising and fascinating for me too, after so many years working on it!
Amazing video! Thank you for sharing this really cool and super creative technique!
Thank you!
Awesome as always Andreij! Another gem from your channel 🙂
Thank you! Much appreciated!
I remember doing\discovering this by accident years ago with an old rackmount stereo equalizer. When I moved the EQ sliders it changed the sounds. I got some very interesting sound effects. It was feeding back on itself and playing through my home stereo. The EQ had inputs\outputs balanced and unbalanced connections. Yes, I hooked up something wrong but, that’s how I discovered you can make sounds with an EQ feedback. -Cheers!
Lovely! Thank you for sharing your memories!
Cool video. The Scratch Perverts DJ crew used similar techniques on DJ mixers to create feedback bass/lead lines in the early 2000's. Innovative stuff
Didn't know that, thank you for the information!
Nice!
Thanks!
YT recommended the magpie vid which led here ... COOL ur inspiring others to get into circuit bending !! I'd also like to add, it's not that far off to just use the opamps themselves. It may seem remarkable/unfathomable to use the components themselves, but what is happening here is just adding wires. You can take the cover off the mixer and add single wires or alligator clips & passives(resistor/cap/inductor)... that will make even MORE sounds and get you into learning electronics
Thanks! Yeah, that can be super interesting too!
This was very inspiring Andreij, thank you so much!
Glad to hear it! Thank you!
Great video explaining this technique in an inspiring way, thanks! 🥳
Thanks! Glad to hear that!
Hello. I dare saying I did not know this technic despite making electronic music during 50 years and I have an old Spirit Folio Lite Soundcraft 12 inputs table in a corner of my studio sleeping under the dust . I was looking at SOMA Lyra but expensive. So your video is completely relaunchoing my interest in free music creation. You' re great !
So glad to hear that! I have a spirit folio 12 too! Such a good mixer, lot of routing possibilities! Hope you'll have fun with it! And thank you for the nice words!
Super Cool!! Thanks Andreij!!
Thank you! Happy you liked it!
Amazing!! Well demonstrated. I must give this a go
Thanks! Happy it is clear and informative!
😁🙌 this is awesome!
Thank you very much!
"no input mixer technique" was not on my bingo card for today. Horizons broadened. Good stuff :-)
Thanks! Glad to hear that!
This technique is fascinating and pioneering and everything. Thanks!
Super fascinating, I agree! But there are many people that used it in the past, so I'm more of an humble noisemaker than a pioneer hahaha
This is sooo cool! It totally works! I'm doing it right now. I'm about to go looking for more mixers...😮
Let's go!
I didn't know there were demonstrations of this technique, Ive heard about it many times from noise musicians, particularly Richard Ramirez, it's nice to see a comprehensive demonstration such as this
Thank you! Happy to share some noise knowledge!
Thanks Andreij, this is pretty much something. Great!
Thanks! Happy you liked it!
Thanks for this !
I would love to see more about this subject ;)
Thank you! I will do more for sure!
@@AndreijRublev I am looking forward
Very nice, tapping into the primal roots of electronic music, i was getting a few Forbidden Planet vibes there
Oh thanks! Much appreciated!
Yeah!!! Thanks for the tutorial!
Thank you for watching!
Great tutorial!
Oh gosh! So glad you saw this! Really appreciate your work!
This is so good! Really enjoyed those live clips at the end 👍
Thank you! Happy you appreciated our musical projects!
Wonderful.
Thanks! I love you name! ❤
@@AndreijRublev I've been experimenting with the technique using an old reel to reel tape machine, it's very promising and of course the results can be taped & played back at different speeds. Early experiments have mainly sounded like distressed cows & whales.
@@withoutcompression19 sounds super cool!
Great stuff! You demonstrate both imagination and talent with this technique. Best wishes in your future musical journey...
Thank you for the kind words! ❤
Truely awesome 👌
Thank you very much!
Great! I recently started to try out digital version of this technique, I use Logic Pro's built-in effects and routing capabilities to create feedback loops and manipulate them in realtime.
Let's go!
MIND BLOWING 🤯
I love it !!!!!!!!!
Thanks!
Do more like this I'm definitely wanting to see more about this and more things about the details of how it works
It's on the list 😊!
Very interesting and inspirative, Thank you Andreij
Thank you!
This is super cool!!!! Best video I watch today
I'll be darned it works. The man is a genius! Thanks for a great video. "Souvenirs, Novelties, Party Tricks.."🤣
Not a genius, just a noise aficionado, but thanks!
Amazing work video! Thx a lot🎉
Happy you liked it! Thanks!
that's amazing!!! thank you for sharing this, i had no idea! looks super fun.
you play very well even though i had to cover my ears a few times ;)
Thank you for the appreciation!
Excellent!
love this thank you
Thanks! Glad you like it!
Really instructive video. Thank you.
Glad to hear that! Thank you!
Awesome, today I tried this with my yamaha o1V. With the internal patch and effects there were a lot of possibilities
Great! Happy you found something interesting!
Very cool!
Thanks!
This is one of thd best Nimb I have seen. I got hooked on diy electronic music years ago and I fully embrace reusing old gear. With new stuff released each day we ard knee deep in yesterdays "hot new item". I repair and hack old pedals radio and tape. You really have mastered shaping this unweildly technique. I have been using filters for a while,The Blurst and Gristliser. Im definitely going to look up that Waldorff. Im looking forward to checking your albums.
Thank you so much! Your words mean really a lot to me!
@@stuartchapman5171 Thank you for the invitation, much appreciated! I'll let you know when I will be in the UK!
Awesome, thanks!
This is amazing. Changed my life just now. My mind is blown. Can I use a powered mixer?
Ooh damn.. 😮I've heard about this but never seen someone doing it 👍great
So cool. Subbed!!
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
Amazing content, thanks for sharing
Thank you! Glad you appreciate it!
this is SO COOL!!!
Glad you like it!
Excellent video man. Instant sub.
Thank you very much! Glad you like it!
Nice sound⚡⚡
Thanks!
Romantic Recycling! Love it
Thanks!
bro !! you just changed my world with this hahahaha soooo cool! sooo easy, sooo cheap!! will be looking out for the crusty mixers !
Super happy to hear that! Have fun!
Wow, this video REALLY delivered!
Thank you!
This is cool AF!
Wow! That's amazing! Greetings from Brasil!
Thanks! Greetings from Italy
Very impressive. I still own a Dutch D&R 1500 inline mixer in which one can create a whole bunch of subgroups by switching channels in and out of a matrix. That should be fun.
absolutely! More internal routing possibilities more fun!
BRILLIANT!!!
Thank you!
That is ...what I have been looking for
Super happy you found it!
i love this so much. frying squeal synth at 7:00 and others reminds me of 2000s kinda sonig/sun papi ok ko/jab mica och el/ Nathan Michel and stuff scene
Names noted! Thanks ❤
@@AndreijRublev youre welcome :)
This is f-ing crazy, keep it up man
Thank you very much! Will do! ❤
hell yeah. thanks for the informative video
Thank you for watching ❤
Gracias por compartir esto !
De nada!
The life and times of a mixing table, hehe. Very avant-garde.
I love the "life and time" vision!
impressively inventive
A lot of beautiful magic. Love it.
Thank you!
It's even possible in soft-synths like VCV Rack, but you have to seed it with a noise or pulse input since most things don't simulate the inherent noise floor that exists in real hardware. And one should put a limiter between this and the main output, because it can definitely peak really fast on feedback if you don't catch it.
Totally. I showed a vcv rack patch just as a quick example. But of course didn't have the time to explain the whole process, for the sake of length of the video. Thank you for the added informations!
This video lacked to yt. Well done ! Thank you.
Thank you so much! Glad you appreciated it ❤
Yes. Just yes.
Here from Magpie, this is the first time I've seen this technique. Very cool!
Happy you liked it!
When not only the beats, but also the mixer are sick!
Awesome, praise be the algorithm! Subbed.
Thanks!
Wow, thank you! I know what I will do tonight!
Thank you! Have fun!
This is brilliant!!! Thank you so much, you really inspired me :-)
Glad to hear that! Have fun!
Woooow, sounds like a collection of Aphex Twin samples. Thanks for a good idea to get the "He's going completely mad" sticker from my neighbours during the long evenings of this winter.
Glad you like it! Hope it will help you to make the winter less boring ;)
amazing!
Thank you!
obligatory Merzbow would be proud comment
interesting video, never knew how they make those sounds, and really appreciate the bands and projects at the end, definitively worth a listen. Maybe I'll pick up on it if I find a used mixer at dirt cheap or happen to know someone who has no use for it anymore, who knows
I hope you'll find one! And thanks for the nice words about the bands!
ilpo väisänen and mika vainio aka pan(a)sonic would be also proud.
@@dualsphere that's a great compliment! Thank you!
THIS IS SO DOPE SUBSCRIBED
Thanks!