I watched this video a few months back and it sent me on a wild path of noise music. I was able to break my compulsive overthinking and just make a noise album. I really feel free now, musically, its was really cathartic. Thank you so much, my channel has my album posted if anyone is curious.
Excellent! Noise music is certainly great for catharsis (and has been my go-to during the pandemic, probably). Anyway, I'm glad to hear this video was of interest. I've bookmarked your channel, and I'm going to check your pieces later tonight.
The phrase “noise music” actually makes very little sense. It’s either music, or noise. It can’t be both at the same time. Saying “noise music” is the same as saying “apple pear”. (Which one is it? An apple or a pear? Can’t be both.) The definition of “music” is tones that are arranged in a structural manner and played with certain tone intervals (scales). It also needs to have an element of rhythm in it in order to be called music. This is why white noise alone can never be referred to as music. Noise created from feedback loops can therefore never be seen as being “music”. It’s just noise, nothing more. However, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be artistic. It can still be explored and manipulated in interesting ways. But from a scientific point of view, the term “noise music” makes no sense whatsoever. Noise is noise and music is music. If it doesn’t fulfill the criteria to be music, then it’s either a tone or just noise. Just like in this video. Resonant circuits and feedback loops can often create tones; that is not music either since there is no element of either rhythm or tonal structures. In this video, you can mostly hear noise with the occasional tone here and there. But there is no music in this video.
So cool I cant believe I just discovered this type of noise. Started out with Circuit bent toys, then discovered noise boxes with piezo discs, then onto cassette tape loops and manipulation now this!
Very cool. That's a great journey! Of course there are lots more ways to make noise. Check out here too: ruclips.net/p/PL7w4cOVVxL6HfT-FoqQ1ukW2G__l0fTr6
Love the way you promote the diy approach and empower folk to create. I've been using these techniques to perform and record for a few tears now. Repurposing used gear and learning to build then sell basic fx, all thanks to You tubers like yourself. I'm always finding new ways of creating with feedback. I mostly use pedals with a passive Matrix mixer these days and cheat, ie I do inject a sound source into one channel, usually spoken word loops or EVP ghostbox. I'm looking forward to playing with the stuff you covered on your data moshing video. Keep it up.
Thanks. That all sounds like great stuff! I really appreciate the range of different things people out there are doing, from the cheapest DiY to the most ridiculously expensive studio gear, everything can be part of the creative process. Cheap stuff, though, definitely has the added bonus of accessibility for mor people!
incredibly helpful. getting into audio technology and experimenting with noise, this video seriously helped a lot, both with the knowledge of creating noise and keeping a healthy mindset into doing so. i loved the clear explanations, and i really appreciate the advice you give. thanks a lot.
Glad to hear it! I got really much more into noise music over the last couple years, and these videos have been a good opportunity for me to sort out my own thoughts non it too.
Cool! Let me know how it turns out. Feedback is a little different in digital. You don’t get the same self-oscillation, since a digital loop with no effects is theoretically perfect (unlike analog). But there are definitely ways to make things happen.
I know a lot of guys who do that. It's ok with two or three pedals. Only they often go to using 20 or even more pedals. At 100 bucks a piece you could get some real stuff for that money. Use a couple of pedals, buy one or three semimodular synths. And a good delay, the Boss RE-201 is enough.
This is really interesting thought starter for me. I have a song which i want to add some noise similar to krautrock producer i like (conny plank) and i think i need something other than tape echo self oscillation, and this is a different approach to tone generation!
Very cool! I've actually just today been messing with running a drum machine into the mixer while feeding it back. It's not really a no-input mixer anymore, but a nice bit of feedback. When the balance is right, you can still get a lot of the original sound coming through too. Hope your song comes out well!
VCV rack can do this on a computer and its free xD . in the computer i think logic or ableton are the best . but they get even better when combined with the analog mixers loops ... cool stuff yep yup
I got a Dreadbox Erebus V2. I can’t figure out how to get any noise out of it without Using a MIDI keyboard. Audio into the input does nothing either. I do own this same 402 also…
Curious: I was gifted a pair of JBL ear buds for Xmas. I’ve been using them at night. They Physically heart my ears at very Low Volume after an hour. Listening to this Video on my Phone makes my ears heart as though I had in the ear Buds. Very Strange. I will never use ear buds again.
Well, yes, but... For the same price of these 3 gears I see you could buy a Behringer Neutron semimodular synth and some cables. And you could also sequence it with a Behringer Swing or a Korg SQ-1 - to stay on the low budget (but high quality) side. Or to keep the price even cheaper and have all in one device (synth and sequencer), there's the Behringer Crave.
is there a way to adapt this concept to include an external input that feeds back through the pedals? really want to have the mixer function as it does in the self-oscillating loop but with an external input triggering the loop for an electroacoustic duet I’m writing
I haven't done it with this particular setup, but, if you have the inputs on your mixer, you should be able to run the external sound in, and then use the other input(s) for the feedback loop--to resonate that input. The trickiest part is going to be the levels! It sounds like you don't want it to "self-resonate" (you want the sound to die down after triggered), but you need it to give a satisfying enough reaction to your input. Let me know how it turns out!
hey simon - quick additional question: would the external sound in function like a granulizer based on when the input channel is accepting sound? (adjusting level up and down creating the granule?)
I do this wish the fx channel on my mixer. By putting the feedback loop return on its own channel you can vary the amount of feedback return as well as other channels input into the fx loop by varying each of their fx output
@@d.dukat_music So what happened? I don't have a mixer but I have the same question, after watching this video. (To make a feedback with a softer external sound, also from a synth...)
I've never had an issue, but I suppose there's a chance that you might. The mixer is working at line level, and the pedals might not be ready for anything except an instrument-level signal. Check your manuals!
I think I've had the Mackie for almost 10 years. I don' use it for no-input mixing all the time, but it's simple and it's a good little portable mixer.
@@SimonHutchinson nice nice. i appreciate the info. you are saying you dont always use it for non-input mixing but it is capable machine. they seem to occupy a particular slice of the industry. i appreciate the help
I watched this video a few months back and it sent me on a wild path of noise music. I was able to break my compulsive overthinking and just make a noise album. I really feel free now, musically, its was really cathartic. Thank you so much, my channel has my album posted if anyone is curious.
Excellent! Noise music is certainly great for catharsis (and has been my go-to during the pandemic, probably). Anyway, I'm glad to hear this video was of interest. I've bookmarked your channel, and I'm going to check your pieces later tonight.
I bet it sucks 🤨
@@Chevroletcelebrity Yes, Noise music sucks, thats kinda the point.
Hi there Kevin, a bit late, but what’s the title of your album? Would love to hear it!
The phrase “noise music” actually makes very little sense. It’s either music, or noise. It can’t be both at the same time. Saying “noise music” is the same as saying “apple pear”. (Which one is it? An apple or a pear? Can’t be both.)
The definition of “music” is tones that are arranged in a structural manner and played with certain tone intervals (scales). It also needs to have an element of rhythm in it in order to be called music.
This is why white noise alone can never be referred to as music. Noise created from feedback loops can therefore never be seen as being “music”. It’s just noise, nothing more. However, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be artistic. It can still be explored and manipulated in interesting ways. But from a scientific point of view, the term “noise music” makes no sense whatsoever. Noise is noise and music is music. If it doesn’t fulfill the criteria to be music, then it’s either a tone or just noise. Just like in this video. Resonant circuits and feedback loops can often create tones; that is not music either since there is no element of either rhythm or tonal structures. In this video, you can mostly hear noise with the occasional tone here and there. But there is no music in this video.
Sometimes all you need is a little positive feedback
Been into noise for years now. Incorporate it into all my albums.
So cool I cant believe I just discovered this type of noise. Started out with Circuit bent toys, then discovered noise boxes with piezo discs, then onto cassette tape loops and manipulation now this!
Very cool. That's a great journey! Of course there are lots more ways to make noise. Check out here too: ruclips.net/p/PL7w4cOVVxL6HfT-FoqQ1ukW2G__l0fTr6
Love the way you promote the diy approach and empower folk to create. I've been using these techniques to perform and record for a few tears now. Repurposing used gear and learning to build then sell basic fx, all thanks to You tubers like yourself. I'm always finding new ways of creating with feedback. I mostly use pedals with a passive Matrix mixer these days and cheat, ie I do inject a sound source into one channel, usually spoken word loops or EVP ghostbox. I'm looking forward to playing with the stuff you covered on your data moshing video.
Keep it up.
Thanks. That all sounds like great stuff! I really appreciate the range of different things people out there are doing, from the cheapest DiY to the most ridiculously expensive studio gear, everything can be part of the creative process. Cheap stuff, though, definitely has the added bonus of accessibility for mor people!
I love the philosophical approach :)
incredibly helpful. getting into audio technology and experimenting with noise, this video seriously helped a lot, both with the knowledge of creating noise and keeping a healthy mindset into doing so. i loved the clear explanations, and i really appreciate the advice you give. thanks a lot.
Glad to hear it! I got really much more into noise music over the last couple years, and these videos have been a good opportunity for me to sort out my own thoughts non it too.
9:31 so good
This is ridiculously cool. Thank you!
super engaging & informative. thanks simon! results to follow after experimentation...
Noises rules! Greetings from Brasil!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
super inspiring!! going to try and create a setup like this in pd
Cool! Let me know how it turns out. Feedback is a little different in digital. You don’t get the same self-oscillation, since a digital loop with no effects is theoretically perfect (unlike analog). But there are definitely ways to make things happen.
So this is probably what NIN used in their first Ghosts album. cool
I know a lot of guys who do that. It's ok with two or three pedals. Only they often go to using 20 or even more pedals. At 100 bucks a piece you could get some real stuff for that money. Use a couple of pedals, buy one or three semimodular synths. And a good delay, the Boss RE-201 is enough.
Great video! I bet this would look sick through a scope
Thanks. Great idea about the scope! I have a cheapo one in my Eurorack, but I should really get a nice desktop one for demos like this.
this is dangerous behaviour that often leads to modular synthesis addiction.
So true! I believe I've shaken my addiction in recent months (back to doing digital noise nonsense), but that threat looms ever-present!
Damn interesting. Be careful not to end up seeing the ear Doc. though. 🤘🎶🍻
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Thanks
This is really interesting thought starter for me. I have a song which i want to add some noise similar to krautrock producer i like (conny plank) and i think i need something other than tape echo self oscillation, and this is a different approach to tone generation!
Very cool! I've actually just today been messing with running a drum machine into the mixer while feeding it back. It's not really a no-input mixer anymore, but a nice bit of feedback. When the balance is right, you can still get a lot of the original sound coming through too. Hope your song comes out well!
Gonna try this with my mixer get the synth bass pedal into it see if theres anything worth sampling
Now I know what to do with that little mini mixer I’ve got…
Awesome to playback at full volume to a spam caller!
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Nice
Get a Behringer version of those pedals for pocket money.
Mom can we have modular synth? - No! We have modular synth at home! The synth at home:
VCV rack can do this on a computer and its free xD . in the computer i think logic or ableton are the best . but they get even better when combined with the analog mixers loops ...
cool stuff yep yup
Absolutely! Also free to do in Pure Data. I've got a video that I'm working on with a quick walkthrough/demo in Logic. Stay tuned!
much needed reminder you can do virtually anythin in a DAW. who likes touching instruments anyways
I got a Dreadbox Erebus V2. I can’t figure out how to get any noise out of it without Using a MIDI keyboard. Audio into the input does nothing either. I do own this same 402 also…
Curious: I was gifted a pair of JBL ear buds for Xmas. I’ve been using them at night. They Physically heart my ears at very Low Volume after an hour. Listening to this Video on my Phone makes my ears heart as though I had in the ear Buds. Very Strange. I will never use ear buds again.
Well, yes, but... For the same price of these 3 gears I see you could buy a Behringer Neutron semimodular synth and some cables.
And you could also sequence it with a Behringer Swing or a Korg SQ-1 - to stay on the low budget (but high quality) side.
Or to keep the price even cheaper and have all in one device (synth and sequencer), there's the Behringer Crave.
Cool! Sounds like fun!
the idea is to use what you already have, or get a 10 dollar shitty mixer and a 10 dollar pedal used
is there a way to adapt this concept to include an external input that feeds back through the pedals? really want to have the mixer function as it does in the self-oscillating loop but with an external input triggering the loop for an electroacoustic duet I’m writing
I haven't done it with this particular setup, but, if you have the inputs on your mixer, you should be able to run the external sound in, and then use the other input(s) for the feedback loop--to resonate that input. The trickiest part is going to be the levels! It sounds like you don't want it to "self-resonate" (you want the sound to die down after triggered), but you need it to give a satisfying enough reaction to your input. Let me know how it turns out!
@@SimonHutchinson thank you so much! I will definitely let you know how it turns out!
hey simon - quick additional question: would the external sound in function like a granulizer based on when the input channel is accepting sound? (adjusting level up and down creating the granule?)
I do this wish the fx channel on my mixer. By putting the feedback loop return on its own channel you can vary the amount of feedback return as well as other channels input into the fx loop by varying each of their fx output
@@d.dukat_music
So what happened? I don't have a mixer but I have the same question, after watching this video. (To make a feedback with a softer external sound, also from a synth...)
Can the loops harm the pedals while doing this ?
I've never had an issue, but I suppose there's a chance that you might. The mixer is working at line level, and the pedals might not be ready for anything except an instrument-level signal. Check your manuals!
how long have u had the mackie mixer and how has it treated you as far as this purpose goes?
I think I've had the Mackie for almost 10 years. I don' use it for no-input mixing all the time, but it's simple and it's a good little portable mixer.
@@SimonHutchinson nice nice. i appreciate the info. you are saying you dont always use it for non-input mixing but it is capable machine. they seem to occupy a particular slice of the industry. i appreciate the help
Этот стон у нас песней зовётся....
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well this goes just dandy with weed!