Hello there and friendly greetings! I don't know if I am the only one to feel an overwhelming sensation of joy when I learn something new. It was the very same feeling when I finally understood how modular synths work. Same thing when I first heard about No Input Techniques. And now those two are joined together. I really feel like a child stepping in an infinite toy shop, so many things to do, so many opportunities. I am in a "fractal highway"! (Eh, I know I am a little bit dramatic here but bear with me... Music has always been synonymous with joy, well-being and research for me and never had such powerful and insightful tools so far!)
It was so mindblowing to me when I discovered the magic of no-input synthesis completely by accident a few years ago, when a video-conference app glitched on my phone and I ended up with my own microphone being routed back through my speaker rather than properly joining the call. I quickly began experimenting (since I was using an external speaker), changing the distance between the mic and speaker rhythmically, then also changing the angle, and "muting" by blocking the mic partially...I was really surprised how versatile it was even given so few variables! Really wonderful and exciting to see somebody taking the idea so much further 😃
Feedbacks are such fascinating things and since the principle is super easy you can create them in so many different ways! To me they are a constant source of inspiration speaking of electronic and electroacoustic music.
Let's go! Nice connection! I love when you can hear the artifacts of digital audio and using them as an aesthetic choice is always so inspiring for me.
Great video! Super interesting!! I use VCV Rack all the time, to experiment the patches I'll recreate in real life. And the very same is applicable in real life, using a modular synthesizer... ; )
Totally! In the previous videos many people who struggle to find an hardware mixer asked me for an alternative solution. So I did this little demostration.
Aaaaaand... you can apply the same concept on your hardware modular synth (for instance I have 3 Doepfer A-138n 4HP 4 channel mixers - which can also be used to make a matrix mixer, at the occurrence!). And a regular A-138b audio mixer before the output module.
yep, absolutely. Feedback based sound generation is such a basic principle that you can apply it in many different fields and ways. Such a fascinating and creative thing!
Great tutorial. I am currently using miRack on the iPad instead of VCV Rack but I was able to put together most of the modules. Unfortunately, I do not think the same mixer modules are found in miRack. I was not getting some of the glitchy noises that you were getting. But this is virtual modular so some extras were added. 3 LFO’s were added to get some nice frequencies happening. If you have an iPad and miRack, can you make any similar tutorials for that platform? An iPhone would work as well. I suppose in the spirit of the tutorials, I should post a quick video of my own patches. I also used your hardware tutorial with the Behringer mixer. I bought a used Behringer mixer of a different model but it still does similar things.
Thank you so much! Glad you appreciated my videos and found them useful to try new stuff! Unfortunately I don't have an Ipad nor an Iphone, but yeah, the principle is pretty simple and can be reproduced with different softwares with similar results. And of course if you want to make a tutorial on miRack that's a great idea and can be helpful for someone who uses the software!
@@AndreijRublev, here is the link to a demo of the patch I made: ruclips.net/video/UqIrjHUGxnM/видео.htmlsi=YPX20HQ6EX9onEsa I wonder if the ability of your patch to get some of those interesting noises is the software, the computer’s hardware or both? Do you happen to know anything along those lines for this case?
@playinmyblues I guess it depends on the software and how it is written. Vcv rack is pretty good at imitating hardware behaviour with feedback, different softwares will probably react differently.
Ableton has a function to send your 'send' tracks to other sends, which is what I've used in the past to try your techniques without hardware. I used some click/impulse input, then just rode the feedback with filters/EQ. Cool to see it in vcv rack too.
who are the mixer modules made by? im trying it using the default VCV mixers but after emulating your wiring im only getting coloured / filtered noise and the occasional pop or crackle.
The mixer modules are the default ones that come with vcv rack. I used the 2.0 version. Don't know if with later versions they replaced them. Anyway you can find a ton of mixer modules on vcv rack website and download them for free, if you can't find the one that I used in the video.
I was wondering why I didn't have VCV rack already, but I didn't, so I installed it, and then got an error code on start up, and it would ask to be closed. For some reason it will just not start, and I got the windows 64 bit one.
See if a highpass filter in your input path helps. Software doesn't handle accumulating DC offset very gracefully; highpass filters eliminate DC. If you just want to block DC, set the cutoff as low as possible.
@@GeorgeLocke Hmmm it does kinda work, but only if I don't use Cardinal in FL's Patcher or if I use Cardinal standalone. But I have to use a bunch of filters if I want to do anything more than just basic feedback. I guess I'll have to use VCV Rack if I want to do no input mixing... What a pain. I don't like that you have to be logged in to install modules. That's why I use Cardinal (well that and the ability to use Cardinal as a VST for free).
One thing, though: You're using an input (the noise generator). Isn't it considered cheating? Moreover, you could filter out some frequencies with a VCF. And/or modulate VCAs, the VCF, use a S&H after the noise, ...
Eheheh probably it is, but I think there is no such thing as cheating in making noise! Anyway I tried to recreate an hardware no input mixer with vcv so I had to take this little "freedom" to make it work ;)
Totally true. A rather interesting thing with VCV rack is that you can save a patch in a specific moment and recall it. For me it is more useful for sound design and composition purposes rather than for a performance. Anyway it is nice to go back and listen to something you found cool with fresh ears or use it in different situations.
How have i not found this channel earlier? My crazy heart loves everything about these sounds!
Happy you like these sounds and found this channel!
Hello there and friendly greetings!
I don't know if I am the only one to feel an overwhelming sensation of joy when I learn something new. It was the very same feeling when I finally understood how modular synths work. Same thing when I first heard about No Input Techniques. And now those two are joined together.
I really feel like a child stepping in an infinite toy shop, so many things to do, so many opportunities. I am in a "fractal highway"!
(Eh, I know I am a little bit dramatic here but bear with me... Music has always been synonymous with joy, well-being and research for me and never had such powerful and insightful tools so far!)
This message is heartwarming! Thank you so much! I totally feel the same: music (and sound more in general) for me is something very meaninful.
ive been experimenting with No input mixing on vcv and was wondering if anyone else had done the same, glad you had the same idea!
Nice! It's always a lot of fun playing with feedbacks.
It was so mindblowing to me when I discovered the magic of no-input synthesis completely by accident a few years ago, when a video-conference app glitched on my phone and I ended up with my own microphone being routed back through my speaker rather than properly joining the call. I quickly began experimenting (since I was using an external speaker), changing the distance between the mic and speaker rhythmically, then also changing the angle, and "muting" by blocking the mic partially...I was really surprised how versatile it was even given so few variables! Really wonderful and exciting to see somebody taking the idea so much further 😃
Feedbacks are such fascinating things and since the principle is super easy you can create them in so many different ways! To me they are a constant source of inspiration speaking of electronic and electroacoustic music.
You're really cool Andreij!
You are too kind! Just a normal guy here who like to make some noise eheh.
Where is the 10 likes button? This is super interesting 🤯 I'm going to spend the entire afternoon and several days learning this technique 😁
Thank you so much! Super happy it was useful and inspiring! Have fun with it ;)
I adore these sounds, it sounds like old ms dos games!!! I will totally try this and sample it
Let's go! Nice connection! I love when you can hear the artifacts of digital audio and using them as an aesthetic choice is always so inspiring for me.
damn this is fire im gonna experiment allot in vcv rack with your patch ideas
Super glad to hear that! And also feel free to share the results. Super curious to see how this can be used in different musical contexts!
Thank you for the inspiration!
Happy it was useful!
Great video! Super interesting!!
I use VCV Rack all the time, to experiment the patches I'll recreate in real life.
And the very same is applicable in real life, using a modular synthesizer... ; )
Totally! In the previous videos many people who struggle to find an hardware mixer asked me for an alternative solution. So I did this little demostration.
@@AndreijRublev Very well done. Instructive and inspiring.
Aaaaaand... you can apply the same concept on your hardware modular synth (for instance I have 3 Doepfer A-138n 4HP 4 channel mixers - which can also be used to make a matrix mixer, at the occurrence!). And a regular A-138b audio mixer before the output module.
yep, absolutely. Feedback based sound generation is such a basic principle that you can apply it in many different fields and ways. Such a fascinating and creative thing!
Great tutorial. I am currently using miRack on the iPad instead of VCV Rack but I was able to put together most of the modules. Unfortunately, I do not think the same mixer modules are found in miRack. I was not getting some of the glitchy noises that you were getting. But this is virtual modular so some extras were added. 3 LFO’s were added to get some nice frequencies happening.
If you have an iPad and miRack, can you make any similar tutorials for that platform? An iPhone would work as well. I suppose in the spirit of the tutorials, I should post a quick video of my own patches.
I also used your hardware tutorial with the Behringer mixer. I bought a used Behringer mixer of a different model but it still does similar things.
Thank you so much! Glad you appreciated my videos and found them useful to try new stuff!
Unfortunately I don't have an Ipad nor an Iphone, but yeah, the principle is pretty simple and can be reproduced with different softwares with similar results. And of course if you want to make a tutorial on miRack that's a great idea and can be helpful for someone who uses the software!
@@AndreijRublev, here is the link to a demo of the patch I made:
ruclips.net/video/UqIrjHUGxnM/видео.htmlsi=YPX20HQ6EX9onEsa
I wonder if the ability of your patch to get some of those interesting noises is the software, the computer’s hardware or both? Do you happen to know anything along those lines for this case?
@playinmyblues I guess it depends on the software and how it is written. Vcv rack is pretty good at imitating hardware behaviour with feedback, different softwares will probably react differently.
Ableton has a function to send your 'send' tracks to other sends, which is what I've used in the past to try your techniques without hardware.
I used some click/impulse input, then just rode the feedback with filters/EQ.
Cool to see it in vcv rack too.
True, you can totally do it also with a daw (Ableton included). The principle is so simple that you can apply it in many different ways.
who are the mixer modules made by? im trying it using the default VCV mixers but after emulating your wiring im only getting coloured / filtered noise and the occasional pop or crackle.
The mixer modules are the default ones that come with vcv rack. I used the 2.0 version. Don't know if with later versions they replaced them. Anyway you can find a ton of mixer modules on vcv rack website and download them for free, if you can't find the one that I used in the video.
Ooh birds
YES
I was wondering why I didn't have VCV rack already, but I didn't, so I installed it, and then got an error code on start up, and it would ask to be closed.
For some reason it will just not start, and I got the windows 64 bit one.
There are also older and 32bit versions available on their website. You can try with one of those to see if it runs on your computer.
@@AndreijRublev I can do it in cardinal FX in my DAW, that works. I think maybe the VCV rack doesn't work as a standalone for the free version.
What error code? Maybe I can help you.
Also, you can ask on the official forum, they are all very kind and helpful. I know. 😉
Doesn't work in Cardinal. The plugin glitches out and stays permanently clipped.
@@jetlag1488 ouch, I guess some softwares have some kind of protection against feedback
See if a highpass filter in your input path helps. Software doesn't handle accumulating DC offset very gracefully; highpass filters eliminate DC. If you just want to block DC, set the cutoff as low as possible.
@@GeorgeLocke Hmmm it does kinda work, but only if I don't use Cardinal in FL's Patcher or if I use Cardinal standalone. But I have to use a bunch of filters if I want to do anything more than just basic feedback. I guess I'll have to use VCV Rack if I want to do no input mixing... What a pain. I don't like that you have to be logged in to install modules. That's why I use Cardinal (well that and the ability to use Cardinal as a VST for free).
Next step: building hardware drones by using very inexpensive chips (CD40106, TL 072, ...).
And a handful of components.
One thing, though: You're using an input (the noise generator). Isn't it considered cheating?
Moreover, you could filter out some frequencies with a VCF.
And/or modulate VCAs, the VCF, use a S&H after the noise, ...
Eheheh probably it is, but I think there is no such thing as cheating in making noise! Anyway I tried to recreate an hardware no input mixer with vcv so I had to take this little "freedom" to make it work ;)
and of course I showed just the most basic setup, you can add whatever you want starting from that point onward.
@@AndreijRublev Generative music is my field, you know... ; )
I record all my doodling with no-input because 90% can't be replicated. Sometimes, just turning the mixer off and back on can change the sound.
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Totally true. A rather interesting thing with VCV rack is that you can save a patch in a specific moment and recall it. For me it is more useful for sound design and composition purposes rather than for a performance. Anyway it is nice to go back and listen to something you found cool with fresh ears or use it in different situations.