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As someone going from 40k to 30k and Necromunda this feels great. I mean even in 30k I had to explain to someone why 40 Phalanx warders arent fun. Especially not in a 1500 Point game

Oh my god... TB did a video on its early days? D: I miss that man...

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Eeee. Jungle items ? I played league in season when there was no such thing, and i LIKE that. It feels natural that you not gaining INFINITE amount of mana and hp regen just by hitting some random chicken. You actually loses your hp and mana, try to kite camps to lose less, you could actually kill gromp and blue at the same time by bringing them together back then ! Now it become so casual that i literally have no intent to ever play it, unless i want to have 30 minutes of chilling and farming jungle. That is also why i likes Dota. I really can play at slower pace most of the time, fast clearing jungle, playing with enemies into some kind of guessing game "where this MF sits", and just be more chill about being SUDDENLY ganked in my own nungles by enemy jungler, die 2 times, and being completely useless and no longer having any priority or power to match enemy, unless getting a lot of shotdowns. And you not getting those easily bcs their presence already means - your game on the way to be f**d up. And i not like new league season. It is shit with permafighting. I can just load my Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising and have good time with Sandy punching some faces. I not playing MOBA to feel like i playing some fighting game with infinitely lesser amount of moves on 99% of characters. Even if there is some characters i like such as Kayle, Cassiopeia, Ryze, pre rework Shivana when bruiser build was decent, and few more characters i wouldn't mind to play like Oriana , Jarvan IV, and Zeri. I not going to back to it anytime soon. I just cannot play in current high on cocaine state of game for more than a few matches a day. Also matchmaking sucks. 😂 My acc was deranked all the way to iron 4, and well, i actually not mind that. It is wery chill down there. But often my teammates do shit ( 0/10 botlane/toplane on 8th minute, YK), and well, i m the same, but it still feels bad to go into 5/24 gamestate on minute 10 and your team starting to spam FICKIBGKAK FORFEIT BUTTON. YOU COME HERE TO PLAY. DON'T SPAM FORFEIT WHEN YOU 3/8/3 AND I M 16/2/3! And often that shit happens with some like Oriana or Smolder. Champs that are literally do nothing before minute 10, bcs balancing team done them this way. Give glory to Oriana. She had negative, 47% WR all the way up to master when i last time looked at her WR. And even then her pickrate was ABYSSMAL at 0.3% or so. I tried her. And you know what. Nerf Diana. She has too much range for melee, too much burst with low commitment from W. And Ori literally wastes 30% + mana to actually push the wave FASTER than some assasin like Diana, while also dealing LESS poke damage to her. 😂 I cannot justify League with balance like that.

Dota is dead because of valve it's not developing main developer is leaved from the game, it's playing like the same game as from 2022 patches only adds useless items and add more and more support items and that's all. Any old Dota player would confirm this, this game has no soul right now. I leaved this game, only watch competitive sometimes (all tournament is bullshit except ti and riad) I switched to league in 2021 btw main zed and draven

There is only one path.

I think also in DOTA high ground you have a mild range increase Vs low ground targets

This is like giving Amish kids a can of coke. No turning back

No thanks to meta. I'll stick to the 55-Tonnes of Getting It Done that is that Shadowhawk SHD-2K.

no. sorry. its too late. at least for a lot of us old fans. the magic, passion, sanctity, belief, importance all of it... gone. burned out of it, and us, with relish no less, by those who were supposed to safeguard and nourish it. Once you learn its all BS and always was, and that none of it matters and never did... you cant un-learn it. Like a cheating spouse. Nothing is ever the same again. It really just cant be, no matter what.

I think in time you'll come to see just how many different mage types can be powerful late game. They are definitely not mostly just supports. Even a fully leveled and geared agility carry can be countered with the right spells and items. And even if they can't manfight a final form carry, many of them can do other things to pressure the map, delay high ground, buy time for your own carry to catch up etc.

I wanna try dota, I'm a league player too since 2015. But... I feel like Dota players hate us league players... Idk

For the people talking about the pierces debuff immunity tooltip. That tooltip can be inconsistent (it might only block part of an abilities functionality but not all of it) as well as the different sources of debuff immunity being inconsistent (There was a point in time when the debuff immunity granted by clockwerk's 25 talent would block pure damage even if that source would normally deal damage through bkb though I haven't been able to test if this is still the case). Point is dota is inconsistent and sometimes it comes down to simply knowing strange interactions that someone can't really expect to know about before they experience them.

Dota is a game of knowledge, strategic thinking and decision making. League is a dexterity game based on skillshots and dodging

Judging by my friends who play League, every major patch the League community is generally upset and mad about the changes, while in Dota community is almost always excited of the new changes

Well,i left dota because it turned a fashion show💅💅

When it comes to the pure damage/bkb piercing thing I just used the rule of thumb where, "if blocking a certain spell invalidates a specific hero's purpose or a huge cooldown PURE damage spell/ultimate, then it probably would go through bkb." Cause like, can you imagine if you can just walk off Bloodseeker's rupture when you have bkb on. That'd be silly. Which is also why I can accept how bkb can block Outworld Devourer's Arcane orb. It's pure damage, and it has no cooldown. As OD, you can choose to wait out bkb's duration or right-click someone else. You have options. Bkb blocking rupture would be insane or Black Hole which has almost a 3 minute cooldown. Timbersaw on the other hand have spammable spells that deal pure damage. It wouldn't hurt the hero as much to stifle that a bit, at least until bkb is gone.

Fun Fact: Dota used to have lane shops in side lanes where you can buy cheaper items. At the time, teams only had 1 courier each, so that courier would be mostly used by the mid lane. Sideshops were removed when Valve decided to give everyone their courier. It feels like Valve actually tries to keep the MOBA side of the game as simple as they can, because nobody really wants to play MOBAs nowadays. But I also think this makes the game more snowbally... I can guess Valve wants shorter games than Dota, but making a comeback in this game feels weirder to achieve than Dota, even when it feels like gold lead swings are even bigger than Dota's. Ganking a farming hard carry is much harder to organize, since you don't have proactive vision like "wards" and "watchers" (from Dota). Urn probably does not work how Valve envisioned it would be used. Map feels somewhat empty if you can't travel quickly. More items are definitely needed. (What do you mean that I can't upgrade Counterspell into a Lotus Orb variant?) A lot of Deadlock players are not MOBA players, so they might not be aware that it is much better to push after a fight is won. That is certainly my experience in the lower ranks. Though, I don't know how much I can blame them, because it feels like somehow Valve made creeps much more punishing in Deadlock. So, you can't bring the number advantage anywhere if you missed one wave in the sidelanes, your tier 3 towers are going to be destroyed in no time. That probably adds to the snowbally feeling I have. I mean I know that some of these are skill issues, but still... I do think Valve will overcorrect the "map being too easy to navigate for skilled players" issue at some point. And their changes will probably make the game even harder for the lower-ranked players and lead to a vision mechanic like "watchers" to also be added to the game.

Bosses and biomes have incrementally got harder, to the point where Ashlands is a joke. So don't know how they're going to ratchet up Deep North 🙄

pushing should not be that easy dude... its part of the game and I dont want a 20 minute game like league, I played league 3 years but switched to dota and the base highground is better that way. nashor/dragon is not great at all. forced fights limits tactics so much in league, its stuck in a low iq gameplay.

Tried Dota2 for a year. The reason why I came back too League is because the amount of time you spend in a match. Dota2 matches takes too long for me, it makes a losing battle even more miserable.

Try space rangers, some aspects very similar, some worse, some much better, i love both of them.

What I like about dota 2 is... Sometimes just with an item change you can turn imposible to counter to I have at least a chance.

"League is idiot-proof" aka "This game is for idiots""

about the tower thing, it would be un dota like for you to be able to kill roshan or any in game mob and then secure the game that way, thats just not the spirit of the game .in dota you earn your keep. nothing is handed to you.

The more you rank up in dota and the more knowledge you get, you will depend less on mechanical skills and shift to actual patch understanding and tactics. At least if you're a support or carry. Mid players still need mechanical prowess. In lol, you literally need to be mechanically gifted to even rank up

Great video! Genuinely makes me reflect on my own melee opinions and how I should remain open minded to the possibilities.

Lol: easy to digest gameplay, beautiful sellable characters = wider audience Dota: extremely complicated borderline nerdy elitist gameplay, mediocre design and unsellable to some = lower audience but more fun experience when you finally get it. I'm a dota 2 player for years and I hope more league people would consider taking a look at dota 2 just for the new experience. I've played wild rift before and enjoyed it quite a bit too. It's the closest we can play dota on phones lol

late 2027 or 2028 will be the official launch date for this game. We wait for neutral creeps manipulation where your troopers can pulled out in lane to fight neutral camps

When Star Wars Minis died, it was all over. Nothing will ever be as amazing as SWM and it is a grave disservice to the legacy of that game that these pretender games exist.

The flex slot criticism just makes no sense. If a team is very behind and gets a miracle fight win they can take a walker with their man advantage and get a flex slot…? Also the item system has been completely reworked and polished to the point where it is basically the finished thing. The only things that remain to be done for the game to be ready for open beta are another map objective, jungle and mid boss reworks, and new models for walkers, lane guardians and some of the heroes. How many Deadlock games have you even played? I get the feeling it’s less than 50 and most of the criticisms in the video would be gone by just gaining bit more experience in the game, and getting out of low elo.

The reason for high grounds in dota is to give the losing team a chance of comeback given they can coordinate defenses and match the winning team's farming pace. Buyback is a system that allows you to turn the tide of the battle through a respawn making it another comeback mechanic. Basically, dota wants you to have a chance of still winning the game even when your base is being sieged, as long as your whole team can coordinate, play the high ground advantage, and manage resources which can be annoying in pubs but amazing to see in the pro level. This game is entirely balanced around its esports scene.

IMO Deadlock is not a good mix of genres. MOBA side is horribly bloated, too many items that don't really do anything interesting, colossal inventory that you are encouraged to fill with garbage for the sake of investment bonuses and so on. Hero shooter side suffers because you don't actually play a hero shooter, you play farming simulator, and it has too much movement tech, and characters don't feel super distinct. Gigantic did it better, even if it failed twice.

No offense but I think everyone doesn't want it to be MOBA heavy, there's a reason why League and DOTA2 are practically closed ecosystem, both games and their players seem to loathe the idea of new players. Let the game have it's own identity, new mobas fail because they try and take a piece of two titans that realistically can't be touched in the slightest Edit: Also it's practically confirmed by leakers that "Cursed Items" on a seperate shop will be added to the game that gives negative effects in exchange for new ones. Also there's no solid evidence but people think a new neutral enemy like midboss could be coming to the game at some point

Bro Dota 2 content creators are so fn pathetic You'll wish this game would have as much heart and soul as TF2

12:46 someone got stunned.....12:58 bro what in gods name is that stun ohhh my god that is a 10-12 second stun holy smokes

2:08 I’m sorry, how did wraith and warden live through that……. That actually makes me mad

Dota 2’s just way more accessible whilst being made by Valve. Only reason it gets hate is cause MOBA.

As someone with about 2k hours in Dota I find the idea baffling that Deadlock is more snowbally than Dota. Due to map traversal time being relatively slower in Dota, ward vision being a thing and something you lose when behind, faster movement being tied to towers alive, the comebacks in Dota generally came from defending high ground at the base. In Deadlock the comebacks generally from either defending base after patron phase 1 respawns, or from running a comeback urn. Latter being much simpler than remembering all the timings for tormentors, bounty runes, neutral item spawns and what have you that you need to claw your way back in Dota. In my experience games where you are behind up to 30k souls generally feel winnable since while you lose map control, there isn't a large discrepancy in map vision and movement speed even if you are behind. I started playing Deadlock after the map change, but I appreciate the fact that the roles aren't so set in stone in this game. Mostly due to the fact that playing position 5 in Dota and any other variant absolutely sucks ass. You have way more agency in Deadlock in a utility role compared to ward duty in Dota. That brings me to itemization. I both agree and disagree that it needs work. Agree in a sense that they could probably add a dozen or two more items and fine tune the balancing between them a bit. But disagree as a whole since Deadlock has way less "must buy" items compared to Dota and the like. You don't need to buy boots, carries don't need to buy bkb, supports don't need to buy wards etc. In a way there is more flexibility, although some items like Healbane and Toxic Bullets feel way too generally good at the moment. And individual hero ability scaling doesn't lend itself to greater build variety in some cases.

With respect to someone evidently way more versed about mobas than me, I hope they maintain the moba side as simple and limited as possible. There is a reason so many people who don't play mobas choose to play Deadlock. I prefer for them to keep it that way.

I really like the idea of a mini set maybe twice a year, maybe 50-100 cards just to freshen things up during the 4 month wait. Or worst case drop a couple products with some playable promos

Dota does not use ELO. They have a proprietary system. Its MMR in dota2.

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Hate his view of game length. If they shortened dotas game like league you would be gutting it. League is surrender t 15. It’s basically a mobile game. I would hate to see that or dota.

I played Dota 2 when it came out and remember things that I hated like: Jungle Stacking (never got it right), my skills not scaling (there was an item to boost your ult instead of every ult scaling with your stats) and over complicated and the extreme lenght of matches (even 60minutes in league are much to long, I wish ranked games would end at 30 minutes).

no, 3 lane is defenitly the right choice. they could create a 4 lane gamemode tho

Yes.

My experience - get underfed - farm to catch up - die - lose farm - repeat.

Great video, should have more views

i do believe this game will be played for the next 20 years just like dota/ leauge