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17:44 Uh where does it imply that? 18:32 no disagree that is how is it's supposed to be seen.

Also her "arc" barely qualifies as one, she goes from being a petulant child who disobeys the Jedi and only does what she wants to being a petulant child who leaves the Jedi because they didin't give her special treatment, she learns nothing, it would be a good arc if it was supposed to be read as her arrogance being allowed by Anakin's unexperienced teaching and thus being framed as a fall arc, but this is not how it is potrayed at all.

There's another reason: they want to make these confrontations impressive. So, while an actual fight between a powerful and a mid fighter would end quickly, it won't in the show. They need spectacle.That's why you get Cad Bane almost beating Kenobi and Vos. And Ahsoka versus Ventress, and so on. And also it's the writers deciding who they need to win for the story to proceed. That's why Ahsoka can beat Maul. And Offee can sneak up on Ventress and beat up Ahsoka.

Ahsoka is simply a fanfic Mary Sue character. She has no place in the movies, let alone the Expanded Universe. Fuck Ahsoka

Cere's performance on Jedha felt more situational, like whenever we see Talzin do something amazing, it's only on Dathomir. Cal defeated Bode pretty much on his own and Bode only got the better of him with a cheap trick. 18:47 But it's better that they are. 19:45 I want the main characters to be among the most powerful.

5:07 I wholeheartedly disagree. 5:12 I prefer them to be. 17:24 Ahsoka was restraining herself so Morgan could be questioned instead of killed.

This ranking list is all over the place. If the cutscenes in the flashbacks (before learning the force lift and slam Cal dispatches one with a single strike) and before fighting 9th sister (dispatched 1-2) are anything to go by he can canonically "one shot" purge troopers. As for beating Bode didn't he have him at blade point with Cal keeping him alive as seen by Cal and Merrin pushing him into a wall to contain him for the sake of his daughter? You also overlooked fact that Bode had more than enough time to study Cal's strengths and weaknesses given his background as a spy during the clone wars. You omitted Alot. On top of saying Cal's dark rage isn't a factor. The 9th sister took advantage of Cal's imbalance stating that his anger made him predictable the game clearly indicates that Cal has improved given how easily he dispatched Masana. Bode is relative to Cal their first fight on Jedha was Cal being imbalanced... Again not to mention he was using the darkside and fighting with reckless abandon. And when Cal matched him Bode was defeated needing to use underhanded tactics. Rayvis states that Cal he noticed that Cal could be Dagan's equal. Cal clearly didn't even aim to kill him since he even asks him to join him. Malicos was standing on a force Nexus (Dathomir) amplifying his power and Cal contended for half of the fight (characters also remark on the location). As for Vader. Anya kuro The jedi on Kessel that ganged up on An ancient jedi Galen Marek Starkiller Luke Darth maul doppelganger In legends Cere Ahsoka Kirak Infila Luke Obi-Wan In canon All gave him a fight Vader is not invincible these characters contended and challenged him so what? Killing powerful characters makes him all the more intimidating. Cere on the other hand was out of practice in JFO and she even says the she hadnt grown more powerful after Vader's remarks on her growth. As for Dagan Cal was on his level in lightsaber combat needing him to turn to force be it illusions or dropping heavy objects as well Cal essentially fighting with compromised mind where even Bode disappeared.

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work. The Imperials are presented as buffoons from the start, so when the heroes struggle against them, it feels as if it's not because the bad guys are tough, it's because the good guys are morons. Establishing the bad guys as imbeciles makes any struggle the heroes have with them seem artificial unless the heroes are just that bad at the job. The ending especially rankled me. They had no way to beat Thrawn outside of using a Deus Ex Machina that didn't even look cool or interesting. If all it takes to defeat an Imperial fleet is a novice Force-user with some connection to bloody Space Whales, then Kenobi and Yoda could've defeated the Empire a long time ago by using their expert Force powers to have the Space Whales ambush the Imperial Fleet left and right until they're whittled down to a point where the Rebel fleet can defeat them. The way they elevate threats felt artificial. Tarkin shouldn't have shown up until Season 3 or 4; he outranks VADER of all people. It should've started with the local Moff sending regular Imperial Army soldiers after the heroes, then they'd send some battle-hardened Stormtroopers, possibly led by a clone who killed a Jedi in Order 66. Then they'd hire Bounty Hunters and bring in ISB agents and Inquisitors to go after the heroes, then once the heroes beat all of them, only then would Vader and Tarkin take notice. Only then would they send Thrawn in after all conventional options have been thoroughly exhausted.

I was someone who grew up with TCW on Cartoon Network, and watching it today is difficult, knowing that in the end not even the series seems to have an idea of what it was supposed to be about. They try to tell about topics such as politics and war, but they are executed in such a banal way that the immersion is lost. Also, the droid humor doesn't help matters at all.

I like the way you talk about things. It's nice to see someone who doesn't have bias towards certain characters and is willing to point out flaws in them. Plus it's nice to see someone who doesn't joke around all the time and is passionate about a series that we viewers enjoy just as much. I also appreciate your respect towards the Legends aspect of Star Wars which Disney fans seem to despise with a passion.

No such thing as a kids show. It's either something or it's something that might not be suitable for certain people

Watch most tv today… everyone is sleeping with anyone else… and the language is disgusting. But somehow, that’s ok… “ the WOKE crap

solid videos. hope you get a viewer decreed pay raise

TCW is some of the best of Star Wars and is not “kiddy garbage” it has many adult aspects

Either it's okay for kids, or it's not a kids show. There is no in between. Also, TCW is FAR BETTER than Pepe or Popeye.

This was such a great discussion and it was so informative, new sub!

I remember my dad being very reluctant to let me watch TCW when I was ~8 years old, even though I'd already seen much more violent movies. The fact that the episode that happened to be on that day was one centering Hondo probably didn't help lol.

Yes

The clones are great propaganda for the military

Seasons 1-2, yes. Seasons 3-7, no.

Interesting, shall we say, podcast? It was rather insightful. My short answer to the titular question is a clear Yes. I maintain the contention that TCW went through an identity crisis halfway through that it never really got away from. The first two, three seasons are written with much more self-awareness regarding the fact that this is in fact a cartoon for kids. They didn't bother pretending it was anything more than that until the fourth season, and even then any and all "mature" topics were handled in ways that any minor could easily handle. A point that is brought up early in this video and one I can agree with wholeheartedly.

Bollocks to you for saying the prequels were are unwatchable

It was already stated that behind the scenes, Maul's double bladed lightsaber was originally going to have a much smaller shaft. But the stunt performers stressed that a longer shaft would help them handle the long staff like prop and help with better performing the desired dueling choreography. It could be logically assumed that even in a fictional universe a user with enhanced abilities would still benefit from having the longer shaft to better control a double bladed lightsaber, and in the same movie, they addressed the weakness of the design when Obi Wan proved the longer shaft to be an extremely vulnerable point. So in it's same debute, they established it's strengths, it's functionality and requirements for such functionality and revealed it's weakness. Not needed to make any arguments for it being better or worse, but just a different option.

A band of brothers style starwars would be awesome

Keep up the good work. Subscribed!

hmm, she does get a weird treatment. Dies in Rebels, then we get introduced to time travel. Which is her SECOND REVIVAL. Leading to her whole gandolf the white (She wouldve been easy shoe horn for Luke's Jedi Order but disney already crushed that plot line.) Her first revival is from a literal GOD and gets The Sister's essences to be revived and constantly has her owl following her. Does Bal ever mention anything about Obi Wan to her.

It would be an amazing duel when Ben just talk Maul down. Without using any weapon. And still sitting at his fire. Ok but this need a good writer. And not a Filoni. Maybe a Darth Sion moment but without a fight. Maul is only alive because of his pure hate and anger.

Ahsoka is like Heather Swanson from South Park. Brave and Strong.

This one of the biggest problems of TCW, the lack of consequences for the actions of the characters. I mean look at Caillou... Mobile Suit Gundam from 1979 made beside of Amuro being a Gary Stu everything right while portraying a war.

4:28 And many shows have a Best episodes list. It is frequently no more than a quarter of the total runtime. 8:38 screams of terror as someone is killed gruesomely is enough for most people. 10:56 In the Lonesome Road DLC of Fallout New Vegas, we find the writings of Commander Devlin, who's so obsessed with a war against China that, when the Water Treatment plant needs more funds, he accuses the manager of being a communist spy. Leaving aside comparisons to Dr. Strangelove and the John Birch Society, it's an example of being so obsessed with winning that he forgets why he's trying to win. That's the argument Padme is making. 17:44 which is why the Empire is an acceptable alternative, the whole point of the war. 25:46 In Captain America One, Arnim Zola is made out as a wimpy scientist only reluctantly serving HYDRA. In the Winter Soldier, it turns out that he's a true believer who rebuilt it from scratch, and he was only scared of his immediate superior instead of anything else. Jurgen Voller from Indiana Jones Five is the exact same. Their evil inclinations were always there, and they acted on it, only obeying a greater villain out of fear, just like the Trade Federation. Dooku didn't appear enough to be clear on many things, but we knew he was in league with Sidious and was connected to the Kaminoans, since his Sith name is Tyrannus, Jango's recruiter. 26:20 He's always been stupid and I always hated him. 26:26 And be wrong. 26:49 No, Luke is the one with such simplistic motives. Ahsoka wants to protect others, and fight for fun. 26:50 Some people consider Mace Windu inconsistent or hypocritical because he frequently bends the rules despite criticizing Anakin for doing so. Geetsly is of the opinion Windu is at odds with Anakin not for bending the rules but for bending them for different reasons than Mace himself. People act differently depending on the situation. Ahsoka, Anakin, and Obi-Wan all fight to achieve peace, and their personal goals remain the same for most of the show. In Ahsoka's case, she goes from determined to prove herself to the Jedi to doing whatever is right regardless of praise. 28:44 Except for Anakin gradually getting more willing to use violence against people at odds with him. Culminating in him maiming Trench before dismissing Jedi Values as a weakness. 31:54 A saying I have no patience for. Good intentions are what make the world better, not worse. If we never acted on them, we'd only have bad things in the world.

6:32 Being a Padawan means learning by example. If her master goes to war, the padawan goes to war. 11:29 Superiors shouldn't be angry at criticism or doubt. 11:51 He shouldn't be, they should accept his opinions. 12:38 she was disrespectful first. 13:30 As it should be. 14:17 Having a different approach doesn't make Anakin a bad teacher. 15:37 Because she is. 17:45 Because she's not, thinking Maul would only last as long as it took for her to find a way to get the other clones free of the chips. 19:41 Sometimes, you need something you didn't think of, better to bring it along in case. 24:36 A complete nobody who became a Jedi Master for seniority and nothing else. 27:26 Ahsoka hasn't neglected her training in dueling like they have. Also, she isn't intimidated, which is Grievous's main advantage. 30:08 A fitting accomplishment for a new knight. Obi-Wan didn't have trouble with Maul, he had trouble with Maul AND Savage. Savage isn't here. 31:09 She's been empowered by the light side goddess from Mortis, so I can believe it. 35:30 The Jedi refuse to acknowledge Anakin is overpowered, as well. I guess they think pretending the giants of their time are normal is how they react to it, in the belief it will breed compliance as opposed to resentment. 42:00 I love it. 42:49 Could it be, that doing the same thing over and over again no matter how much things change is a bad idea? Border walls are expensive and consistently fail to stop armies, but the Chinese kept building grand walls until the seventeenth century. Whenever an old soldiers says "War never changes, shut up and follow your orders" he's proven wrong. 45:28 I do, since he's too weak to be a proper hero. Thankfully, Ahsoka isn't. If the hero isn't among the giants of the time, I don't care about them. 45:34 Good, it shows how strong she is. 48:09 All ups, you mean. 50:48 It's okay to be perfect, as well. 50:36 All the better. 1:00:41 No, she's well written.

I think clone wars pushes the boundaries for a kids show but is still held back from its full potential because it's still technically a kids show.

2:24 Of course she's better than Saxon, she's a Force-Sensitive, unlike him. We saw it repeatedly hinted at in the show itself, and Ahsoka confirms it. Besides, Saxon never did anything that impressive to begin with, while Sabine was confirmed to be a child genius and skilled warrior even before she fought him.

41:47 it was a discussion about the size of the target, I don't see where the problem is

While I do think TCW tends to be overhyped by its fans, I think it's more accurate to say it suffers from a lack of consistency rather than the complete absence of any mature or nuanced themes. Certain arcs and episodes paint the violence and its consequences in a decidedly serious tone, such as the Umbara arc, Domino squad episodes, Padawan Lost, and Massacre. I'm not saying there aren't a large amount of childish episodes as well, but the war's depiction being inconsistent doesn't take away from those more serious moments. The bigger issue I have with this video, though, is the unjustified disparagement of TCW's characterization of its main cast, most notably Anakin. The claim made at 28:50 is very inaccurate, in my opinion, as there are several examples of Anakin not only disagreeing with the Jedi order, but also tapping into anger and hatred in order to protect the people he cares about. Anakin's outburst of violence towards Clovis when he tries to kiss Padme, his torturing of Poggle the lesser to get information, and his similar force choking of Ventress when trying to prove Ashoka's innocence are all moments where Anakin's descent to the dark side is subtlety shown, and not told. In the prequels, the moral contrast between Anakin and the other Jedi is not shown well at all. Obi-Wan slays Maul and Grievous without a second thought, Windu brutally beheads Jango in front of his son, and yet the audience is supposed to see it as a bad thing when Anakin does the same thing to Dooku. There's just no consistency in the logic there, and to say that Anakin's characterization is better in the prequels than in the clone wars is wildly off-base in my opinion. I could go into a much longer tangent about how I think the prequels fail at nearly every aspect of storytelling, but the bottom line is that I think it's hypocritical to argue that TCW suffers from a lack of nuance while simultaneously praising the prequels, which are similarly poorly executed when handling mature topics. Padme in particular has absolutely zero intrigue or depth in the prequel movies, she is simply a plot device for motivating Anakin. I prefer the her strong but simple characterization in TCW, she is far more bold and assertive, a bit more like her daughter Leia. Again, I will concede that TCW is not a masterpiece or even a particularly good show most of the time. But it certainly has more dark moments and more interesting moral themes than the vast majority of kids cartoons, and I don't agree with the distinction that you draw between "shows for kids" and "kids shows". TCW is ultimately a show for kids, but it's also for adults who can accept its childish elements and appreciate its more nuanced ones. Some moments are dark, others are painfully childish, that's just a pitfall you can run into when trying to make a show for all ages. This is just my opinion, but I feel that this video is more so an avenue for you to vent your frustration at the endless amount of praise Clone Wars gets by its fans, rather than being a truly fair and objective analysis.

I can’t believe people are still trying to argue this dogs*** cartoon is somehow NOT a kids show. In 2024 no less.

Wasn’t Anakin beating up Clovis a good show of Anakin falling to the Dark Side?

Me when reading the thumbnail: Yes and no. It's a show that may be aimed primarily at kids and/or family audiences but it can still be enjoyed by adults as well. It's for anyone of any age demographic.

It has super goofy clones and battle droids. I couldnt make it past the middle of season 2. Terrible. CLONE WARS however was badass. Clones werent cracking jokes, neither were the droids.

Clone wars was for all the fans I was a kid when these came out and even my father and original trilogy fan loved it. He said it was the best star wars he's seen outside the original 6 films.

As they say, "The exception confirms the rule" The fact that there are literally a couple of serious moments in 7 seasons says a lot. And all this slavery, war, cross, skeletons, skull, coffin, on the contrary, only make the series more childish. Shock content for the sake of shock content, the consequences of which everyone will forget in the next scene, like some kind of mlp-bloody-mince-pony content that children make and children watch. Well, that is, I don’t think it’s good for children to watch such guro, but ironically, they mostly watch this to feel like adults. Well, it’s the same crap with TCW.

“Unwatchable prequels”??? Whaaaat? I loved the prequels. And honestly growing up I thought everybody did. I only found out that not everybody did once I got on certain social media.

STAR WARS IS NOT JUST FOR THE MEN BUT THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN TOO

4:07 Well, a couple more of Clone Troopers get beheaded

It is, except the parts of war crimes and cold blooded murder🤪

Thank you, my friend was trying to get me to watch it for years, and after i finally did iw as so god damn disappointed 😭😭 like im sorry this is for Stupid people with surface level stuff appreciation

I would say that The Clone Wars is a show for all ages

I’ve always said CW was not a kids show. Way too many mature layers for a 10 year old

Dude, it's a cartoon. No matter who the majority viewer is, Disney says kids watch it, so it can't be serious. Just stop. Real fans know what it is. War in animated form.

Dude, it's a cartoon. No matter who the majority viewer is, Disney says kids watch it, so it can't be serious. Just stop. Real fans know what it is. War in animated form.