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Same with FES. I think it wasn't intended to be possible only on NG+ since this was their first time trying this system. There is an old guide that shows you how to do all the social links but it's pretty strict for the first 3/4ths of the game and includes tactics like manipulating the rng of people calling you to hang out so you can get enough points to rank up later. What usually happens for me at the end of the game is there will be just some days where I have no one to hang out with because I've done them all while the last one or two have some overlapping days so it's impossible to do both in time.

@@thelastofitskind3034 I would stay as blind as possible to the plot. But if you want to get the most out of social links on a first playthrough you'll probably need to do a little research on when people are available and what the fastest way to raise social stats is. Not to toot my own horn but I have a few video on both those topics that have little to no story spoilers. So maybe check those out. Of course for some people the fun comes in figuring out things for yourself and just bumbling around and exploring. I just like to understand the mechanics in a game I play so I can get the most out of them and see as much of the content as possible. So it comes down to personal preference. There is NG+ so if you feel inclined to replay the game to see everything you missed on a first playthrough that'll make it easier. There's even a new super boss only available on NG+, so there's that as well. Either way hope you enjoy the game!

Thank you man i appreciated ​@@boxorileys

​@boxorileys I subscribed but your subscribed didn't went up maybe a glitch

Aki does not do offense as well as Junpei. Torrent Shot dramatically outdoes anything Aki does until Gigantic Fist (lv39) but literally 1 level later Junpei gets Blade of Fury which is an absurdly strong Skill that outdoes Aki till Strike Amp Gloves then a little under 10 levels later Junpei outdamages him again and it stays that way. He is on Avg the best Dps in the game and since there’s barely any pushback to going Phys he’s consistently strong with his variety of Phys skills. He also has the Strongest Theurgy in the game with Hack n Blast outdoing even the Mc (Without Dlc).

Are you trying to do NG+ on Merciless? Merciless only lets you carry over outfits and a few gifts from people IIRC.

@@boxorileys ohh

In P4G especially it's easy to use only one or two personas throughout the entire game thanks to how shuffle time works. It's a failing on the game's part since I think what sets SMT/Persona apart from Pokemon, at least partially, is the flexibility of personas. That and being able (and having to) use different personas or demons to overcome a new boss or challenge. That said Persona should be easier than the SMT games so they can continue to appeal to a wide audience, and playthroughs restricting yourself to a few different or one persona can be fun/interesting, especially on replaying the game.

He's the missing link between this game and The Legend of Zelda series

No problem about the wall, I appreciate the time taken to write it all out. I think in retrospect maybe Yukari could have been dropped down to A tier. I think Mitsuru is good, just a little below the others in the late game. I mean I go back and forth on whether I like Mitsuru or Aigis more in this game. And I can't stand Yukari in FES, so the tierlist was just from a gameplay perspective 😂 But yeah, dropping defense is always useful and her second Theurgy is good for bosses. Good support and decent damage, but less useful in random battles. That's why I put her in B. In retrospect Atlus did such a good job balancing party members in this game I think this was the worst game I could've chosen to do a party member tierlist on. 😅 Since there's only one or two that stand above the rest with the rest bring pretty good.

@@crowidiot ken is better with that shield in theurgy. You are right, yukari is not good

Interesting, that Ken min-maxing is fun, if mostly unnecessary 😆 He definitely has better coverage than Mitsuru and find him better for actual fights than Yukari. But her healing powers are quite ridiculously good at times.

@@boxorileys to go all in on Ken min maxing For that Theurgy bit If i recall when facing a Boss if he is under half Max Sp, if theres one enemy debuffed, all party members have a buff, Ken has a Charge or Concentrate he’s willing to not use (these all contribute to Theurgy) and with Soul fortunes 1.3x Theurgy boost he he actually gets his Theurgy every other Turn if he alternates between a Karn Skill and Theurgy. Its really dumb but fun. (Yukari under these conditions can only get hers every 3 turns at most)

Hello :)

Rise in Golden is broken if you do all her bike rides. Similar with Futaba if you max out all her stuff. Biggest difference here is rather than a bunch of buffs that randomly proc you have a random buff you can activate on command.

Yeah, even with this long video, I still haven't fully sorted out my thoughts. I think I need to wait for The Answer to come out. I also want to go back and replay FES and Portable sometime later this year in preparation for a full retrospective some time next year. That's a lot of P3 though so we'll see. I'm not a huge fan of Yukari in FES but I have issues with Akihiko's new VA so I understand. There were similar sentiments when it came to Chie's VA being changed in Golden. Although there that was more understandable since the VA's line reads were in conflict with how she's written. I feel like there's always going to be a certain amount of nostalgia or familiarity with whichever one came first. It's kinda like when a book gets adapted to film or a TV show, they always look and sound a bit different than you imagined them in your head. I think the visuals and presentation are absolutely magnificent. Little sad that the revolver chamber for the battle menu is gone but that's a nitpick. I always thought that P5R looked great but struggles in the story pacing and gameplay some. So seeing a P5 coat of paint applied to P3 was really exciting. I think some of the Tartarus changes were overall good, but they didn't go far enough and the Monad doors being a replacement rather than an addition really doesn't work IMO. On retrospect I think when I talk about games like this again I need to balance out the criticism a bit more. I feel like I glossed over some of the good things they did or are inherent to P3's design. I'm going to try and keep that in mind when I eventually make a video about The Answer DLC. As I said at the end I would also recommend friends pick up P3R, just on sale probably. I have a friend who wants to try the Persona series but can't get past the look of the PS2 graphics. So having a version of my favorite Persona game that's been modernized will hopefully be a good jumping on point for a lot of people. Especially if the rumors about P6 being released in the next couple years are true...🤞

@@boxorileys Before Reload came out, I did another playthrough of FES with the HD textures mod and controllable party. I wanted to play what I thought would be the minimal viable product for a P3 remake that could serve as a comparison to Reload. Obviously, Reload blew everything out of the water, but I still think that experience provided a good frame of reference for looking at Reload. I agree with your take on the VA situation, I think it is applicable to a lot of my little gripes. I miss the old animated cutscenes and preferred the way some scenes were done in FES, but these complaints aren’t really objective in any sense. A new player would most likely not care at all. I also missed the revolver chamber bit, even if it is kinda unintuitive at first. I wish they kept some parts of the gun theme in the UI, but the new UI is still pretty damn slick. It is funny that you mention pacing. Everyone complains about P3’s pacing but I think it is mostly fine, maybe a little slow between Yakushima and October and again in December. All of the modern Persona games have pacing issues. You mentioned P5 already but P4 is extremely slow in the beginning and the team meeting scenes get old after a while. Pacing issues come with stories that take place over the course of a whole year. You brought up a good point with the Monad doors. I agree with you that the Monad doors aren’t a replacement for the EX-Dungeon. I do think they are a cool addition though, but Monad should have still been included. You gave your thoughts concerning Theurgies, but I was wondering if you thought they were a good addition. I think it is pretty cool that they are refilled faster based on certain thematically appropriate conditions. They range from kinda broken to being useless (i.e. both of Akihiko’s theurgies and Mitsuru’s 2nd theurgy being almighty is kinda bad). You might be right that making them fill up faster, but not being able to carry the charge would be balanced, but I think that it would end up making Theurgies exclusive to boss fights and remove a lot of their flexibility. I’m not sure what to do to “balance” them or if they need to be balanced at all, but overall, I like their addition to the game. I have no IRL friends who play JRPGs, but it is nice to have P3R, something with more modern presentation and accessible gameplay, to show them. The appeal of P3FES is still there of course, but it is a harder sell for casual audiences. I’m looking forward to P6 as well and I’m especially looking forward to The Answer. I wonder what the devs are going to do with Metis, is her kit going to be mostly the same? I read somewhere that Metis will get two Theurgies. One is obviously Orgia Mode, but I wonder what the other will be. Only time will tell.

@@NovaKaiser21 Ah that reminds me, I still want to finish up the FES tutorials with a guide on getting the controllable party members and wide screen etc working. I have to do that for myself anyway since I need to do an off screen playthrough of FES for a couple videos in the future. I also miss the animated cutscenes. Some of the 3D animation stuff is really good, like the death scene in front of Tartarus(being vague for spoiler reasons). But I do miss the animated cutscenes for things like the awakening cutscenes like I mentioned in the video. I think Theurgies are a form of a mechanic in other RPGs. The "action bar" "energy gauge" etc. A way to build up momentum for a large attack that otherwise outstrips any normal attack. I think it could work but is overtuned here. Like I mentioned in the video, the gauge should start from 0 each fight. So you can't nuke bosses turn one. Maybe add a couple skills that let it charge faster or start at like 10%? I think outside of Theurgy the game is pretty balanced actually. And genuinely requires some preparation and thought on Hard and Merciless, it's just Theurgies can trivialize most fights in the game as is. Yeah I have a few online friends who play RPGs and things, and obviously the people who hang out in streams and stuff. I think P3FES and especially Portable will be appealing to those who already emulate and/or have tight budgets. But it will be nice to point people who haven't tried the Persona series to this game. As for Metis, in the original she was a combination of Aigis and Akinari with some magic thrown in. So I'd expect something similar here. As for the second Theurgy it'll probably be something like Aigis's, a physical damaging type. I wouldn't expect anything too crazy from it. I'm personally more wondering about characteristics and how that will work for The Answer. My current thought is that everyone will start out with the first one, and then get the second one as the plot progresses. And Metis will get her's as the plot progresses.

Where would you put everyone else?

Well, ANSWER US

Yeah, Yukari is a lot better in this version of the game. The VA is a lot less harsh in delivery and some of her rough edges have been sanded off. I'm interested to see if they did the same in The Answer. Since a lot of people didn't like Yukari specifically because of how she behaved there.

Yeah the Akihiko thing was a misunderstanding on my part with how his Characteristic worked. With what people have said I'd probably put him in A, maybe S. With Mitsuru, she's not bad but magic isn't as good as crits in this game IMO. Her second Theurgy is good and she's nice to have around. But Yukari does just as much damage if not more and has great healing. But she's definitely a good supporter and ailment abilities have some niche use cases. Junpei is pretty good in my estimation, I think what really helps him IMO is that his Characteristic not only gives him Crit Boost & Amp, but also buffs the damage his crits do. Something not even the MC has access to. Also his magic coverage for hitting weakness's is a lot better here.

@@boxorileys mitsuru doesn’t need to be used for ailments or heavy dmg (despite having the highest magic attack) because she has marakunda and I believe her characteristic affects the entire team and not just her. I’ve seen people run her with koro and junpei for a crit based team and if you wanted to use her mainly to do a ton of damage she has concentrate as well as a severe level spell being diamond dust. Her second theurgy applies debilitate also. Imo, she’s the only character (that isn’t yukari or Ken) that can pull her own weight in any possible team. Whether it’s defense debuffs, status, debilitate (theurgy), concentrate diamond dust, crit buffing (status), etc. In a game with a lot of endurance tests, defense debuffs is arguably the most valuable buff or debuff in the game. She also enables a team that offers aoe debilitate with yukari (masukunda) and akihiko (matarunda). This team is especially good in the early-mid game as you have no access to debilitate until trumpeter at lvl 59 or koro at lvl 75 which is way too late and this team still holds well in the late game due its good synergy (it’s my main team)

@@Joey-nc5cf Wow, there's a lot there! 😅 Let me see... So I think that Misuru is a good party member. And you're right that the characteristic effects the whole team. So running her with Koromaru is pretty good. She slots into a team with him and a physical attacker pretty well. Also you're right that her 2nd Theurgy is great and the first is pretty good as well. But while she has good synergy with team members I think she has a hard time outdoing others. It's a tier list, if I put everyone in A it would be kinda pointless. Although I think Atlus did a great job making party composition a lot more flexible in this game with none of the party members being truly "bad" options. I personally haven't found a fixed team I like the most even after two playthroughs, granted one was NG+. I'll have to mess around with party members more during my merciless playthrough I'm planning on doing before The Answer DLC comes out. I think in hindsight it would have been better to do this tierlist after that. But I needed something for while I was away on vacation that weekend. I don't want to rehash this video or reupload a "corrected" version. But maybe I'll do an updated one once The Answer comes out. Especially since in FES they rebalanced some of the party members so if they do the same with the DLC it would make sense to do another version of this video.

@@boxorileys AND, you get one and a half new party members

@@Joey-nc5cf And you are wrong junpei is S

That is the long and short of it yeah

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't sure about how that worked or what changed exactly when her Theurgy is upgraded.

@@boxorileys Yeah, I hope they can make it more clear in a future patch.

Oh for sure, I think for $40 or $50 it's definitely worth it. Maybe $70 if it included the DLC. I think for people who aren't already fans of the series or game there isn't a $70 difference between playing this or just emulating one of the previous versions. I hope you're enjoying the game though! Even if I have my issues with it, it's still a version of my favorite in the series.

Yea but he gets weighed down by the events of 4th of October

Nope, he does get God's Hand at Lv 72 but no multi target physical skills.

@@windwardbirds6741 he is good, but just not good enough to take over doggo and junpei

Gotcha thanks, yeah I remembered that at least one of the MCs persona's got it. Just couldn't think which ones.

Fair, he's my favorite "best friend" character the series has had so far. And the game balanced things out so all party members are fun to use. Just with a tierlist some things have to go towards the top or bottom.

@@Un_Named05 because he and doggo are bonkers.

Yeah that was my bad, I misunderstood how his characteristic works. Obviously that makes him a lot better than I said in the video. Although I will say that if you put that much effort (a specialized weapon and a specialized accessory) into any of the party members, they can put up some good damage.

@@boxorileys No one else has a strike amp weapon besides Shinjiro. Plus strike boost is an accessory you can get in the early game when the antique store opens. He really doesn't require that much investment. Junpei is great but he doesn't have much besides his personality trait to increase his Crit rate, he relies on other party members to boost his Crit rate. Not to mention Junpei's strongest skill is Brave Blade which is considerably weaker than Gods Hand.

@@thetactlesstactician7703 It's definitely true that Akihilo is the strongest single target Strike damage dealer. Sometimes even over the MC. I think you may be underestimating Junpei some though. His ultimate weapon gives him Apt pupil and his characteristic not only gives him Crit Boost and Amp but also increases the damage crits do. Meaning if he swings with his first Theurgy and crits he does quite a bit of damage.

@@boxorileys Junpei's late and endgame is certainly fantastic, however his early game and mid game is really bad. He doesn't learn many good skills at these points of the game besides maybe assault dive. Once his personality kicks in and he gets his late game gear he is definitely one of the best DPS. The only real downside to Akihiko's late game is that his second theurgy is magic and not physical. Meaning it can't Crit. Sure akihiko has the second or maybe third highest magic stat behind mitsuru but a phys theurgy would have been way too op. Edit: personally I think Koromaru is still the worst. He's good in random encounters, but in boss fights he's too frail and his only good boss fight skills are revolution and debilitate which he gets very late into the game. His characteristic is also no great in boss fights because he has to strike a weakness to charge faster and most bosses in the mid to late game don't have those. Auto masakunda is great though.

@@thetactlesstactician7703 Yeah Auto masakunda is pretty interesting. It's the first auto debuffing skill I've seen in an SMT or Persona game. All the characteristics for party members have been really good at making them valuable as those skills can't be obtained by the MC. They also bring up the overall power level of party members as it's effectively an extra passive slot which leaves more room for variety in their active skills. I feel like you're right about Junpei though, he's decent early game, falls off in the mid game, then comes back again in late game. It was kinda the same in FES and Portable. But in those games physical and crits weren't as strong.

I don't think he's the only one. Both Junpei and Aigis can get close with crit builds. Stats are kinda wonky in this game as well since stat buffs can also apply to party members. They haven't been able to do that in a Persona game since P2 EP like 20 years ago. So you could technically get Junpei to a similar or higher magic attack than Mitsuru. But this tierlist was based on my experience just playing through the game without maxing everyone's stats out. That would probably change some placements, but it's not going to be the experience for most players. TBF I think a lot of people got the impression that I dislike Akihiko but it's more "eh kinda mid". Especially since he's still the GOAT in FES or Portable.

Junpei and Aigis hit harder with Theurgy 1 and Theurgy 2 respectively because phys theurgy is just op. But outside of theurgy Akihiko will always hit harder because Buff Amp is 1.3x multiplier while Junpei and Aigis's modifiers are 1.2x. He also hits harder than Mitsuru with magic for a majority of the game for the same reason. It's not until Mitsuru gets her final weapon and an Ice Amp accessory that she'll hit harder than him with regular magic. With Theurgy 2, Akihiko still hits harder than Mitsuru when it comes to magic damage.

@@bigpapasm junpei hits WAY harder