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Yeah... I mean it has potential as we have seen in the trailer. Unless those are all CG prototypes instead of actual playable Unity games. My biggest concern is that it's the former. Having that open area is just not realistic for a mobile game. No matter how you look at it.

I haven't had the chance to check it out, but I've heard of it. What part do you think is more convincing aside NOT from NetEase?

Yeah! And I think that's its big advantage by keeping the story grounded. Let's hope it stays that way!

That's a shame, but you can open up the archive in the game to see some parts of it!

Totally agree! I'm compiling all of my walkthroughs and making a personal wiki right now. If all goes well, I will start posting lore videos and speculations soon. But then again, it all comes down to how well they have created the gameplay and the quality of the story. If the story itself is bad, most people won't care about the lore, no matter how deep it goes.

You got it! You're more advanced in understanding storytelling principles than most people who watched this video, so of course you feel like it's too long. I'm trying to ease every normie into these concepts. There are still people in the comment section who think that "show, don't tell" doesn't apply if the story is told through the HDD TV layout. That's what we're dealing with here. I would like to dive deeper in later videos about efficiency. A good writer should be able to convey so much information in as few scenes as possible. Conveying character expressions, implied dialogues, and personality. Right now, I'm waging an open war against yapping, to champion "show, don't tell" as much as possible. Also, I love that lecture! A plot not as "and then", but as "therefore". One of the best videos on story writing I've ever watched.

@@FeyHunt I see. This video is pretty great if view from that perspective. This is easy to understand for people who don't know anything about writing, while not being unnecessarily long (I watched videos with similar amount of content, but three to four times longer). They're writing the script in their video the same way they were taught to write an essay in school. And I despise that.

@@superpnutbutter8608 Oh trust me, I know what that feels like. I always hated when videos are longer than they should, especially tutorial videos. That's why all my videos across different channels are all straight to the point. No uhm, ahhh, no mistakes At the same time, I do recognized that I'm going to miss some related lessons in these bite-sized video. Thing is, RUclips just hated pure educational content, so I have to laced it with some entertainment values. Sometimes, it feels like feeding medicine to a kid. You have to carefully hide the pills among sweet treats. 🤣🤣 That means I have to wait for a certain moment where a lesson is appropriate.

@@forsagebone Yeah, in a nutshell! Do you agree with that statement?

@@FeyHunt Yup! I've never played wuwa, but the example you put in there sounds awfully dull and I do agree that it killed the pacing 😬 Meanwhile when I look back to my playthrough in ZZZ I remember that I was always locked in.

@@forsagebone Great to hear that! Yeah, even with its 1.2 update, the story hasn't improved well in WuWa... It's sad because I love the concept in that game. The combat is brilliant as well.

Hahaha, yep! That's just the usual yapping you get in Genshin! I think I should watch Tenet to see how bad it is...

@@FeyHunt tenet is really good tbh, watch it with subtitles and it's not very hard to follow, even if you cant it's still very entertaining. It's nolan, you can't expect him to make something normal and easy. penacony is HSR, genshin yaps but I don't think I have gotten lost as much as I did during penacony. It was legit one of the worst experiences I had, leading to me just dropping the game. I did come back and the recent story is so much better.

@@itsame7491 I see! It's funny because people say that Penacony's story is the best one yet. Were they just fooled by Firefly's sad waifu backstory?

@@FeyHuntidk, maybe. Hoyo just shoves firefly down the players throat. Really not a fan of hoyo just forcing a character on me. Her backstory isn't even in the quest, it's on RUclips. Which is fine since tht gives more time for personality and job of a character to shine more, Something hoyo excels at doing. But like she has no charisma, she ain't no march 7th. And her job, is a secret so yeh... Sorry for yapping though, penacony was just a little to much for my sanity. I dont recommend it, although try it, you may like it, you may not idk

@@itsame7491 I see! I have a hard time getting through the gameplay... The game is still on my drive, but I don't know if I want to continue it.

Yeah! It's very short. Too short, I would say. You wouldn't have time to get bored yet.

Yeah! It's very short. Too short, I would say. You wouldn't have time to get bored yet.

Hmmm... In general, "tell, then show" is always worse than "show, then tell", because if you want to show it later, then why tell us now? That's an unnecessary yapping. Of course, Genshin also has its moments where it executed "show, then tell" very well, like the examples in Inazuma islands or the Orobashi's skeleton long before you heard of her power. Another great example is the three giant robots in Sumeru. I will not make any brash claim that Genshin NEVER did it well. In general, Genshin is always great at environmental storytelling. It's just when it comes to the actual main story, I often find it... wanting.

Wait... when is this?! I think I'm missing something here...

@@FeyHunt google zzz burger

@@tippykaffu4047 Oh Burger Bangor... It was a pretty good burger when I was in college. But huh... that's one spicy burger today... EHN-NA...

@@ladypmr7 I have actually installed Path to Nowhere in my emulator. I haven't got a chance to try it though. I'm very interested with its gameplay, since I do play Arknights. They seem to share the same concept, but different executions. Can't wait to delve into that world!

@@FeyHunt oohhh boi, you're in for a treat

@@Superluigi881 Yeah! That's the biggest selling points for ZZZ: characters and the pacing. I don't think any gacha game can beat them in these two points. The world is built around these characters, not the other way around. So the world works to explain the character.

@@98062512 You can, but did you skip it? If so, why is that? What parts do you find boring?

@@IMRavnos Hmmm... Different preference is completely understandable. But that's an odd hate relationship you got there. Honestly, it surprised me. You don't enjoy the combat and you don't enjoy the story. So why did you still play? I think knowing our time is limited, we should focus more on games we like rather than those we don't. If there's a lull in your favorite gacha game, why not try another gacha game? Play it a bit and see if the game do better than ZZZ? Or maybe play some indie games if you're into single player.

@@FeyHunt I literally do not know haha. I mean… the combat is fun, until it’s not. I guess I just would prefer if you had more variety? Some of the animations are slick as hell and insanely stylish. However something just is not clicking if a fight goes on for more than a minute or so. Just feels like a whole lot of button mashing and timing dodges and swaps which while sort of cool, sort of help make the combat feel sort of shallow? I enjoy a few of the characters designs and VO… I think I just keep playing hoping something clicks. And since I am $0.00 invested, I am patient? I really dislike how you seem to get bombarded with systems that destroy the pacing. Example: text messages. I loath that system as it is lame, adds nothing to the game and is slow and kills pacing. Did anyone really enjoy the story? I mean, just look at chapter 2. Am I crazy for finding the chapter 2 storyline just braindead clich’ed garbage? Chasing 100 ton construction machines that are AI and then fighting them as one big one combined and using the POWER OF DEAD DADDY MEMORIES to win the day? This video makes it seem like the story is compelling. I do not comprehend how? Especially the flow. Story, menu menu menu menu board game, fight, boardgame fight fight boss fight, story story menu menu menu. I think I really just strongly dislike how often the flow is murdered by constantly interrupting you. For instance, when I go to the HIA to use my battery charge for mats, it will become the next day and the game decides, fuck pacing, time for a black screen, with text, so the game can go from night to morning, and force the player to have to click a bunch on these black screens with text. That is terrible game design. Especially forcing you to click? Why? Why not just a splash screen saying It’s now morning, wow time flies in VR! Then just put you back to where you were? Nope. GOTTA CLICK CLICK CLICK hahaha 😂😂😂 ignore me, I think I have gone insane

@@IMRavnos Ehhh, I mean most of your points here are just either nitpicky or something you'll get used to after a while. The game will grow on you once you give it more time. Just keep an open mind and try to see the game for what it is trying to do, not what you want it to do. That's an advice I should take to heart myself.

@@FeyHunt true. Yes the board game aspect is a design choice and I can take it or leave it. Nitpick for sure. The constant menu, press X, some voiced some not voiced. It is just tedious and made more so by the compartmentalized flow of the game. Genshin and Starrail have similar issues but the flow of the game is more palatable because the bulk of the gameplay is exploration and combat. ZZZ the bulk is tedium with very little exploration, in very small areas, with very little combat. The story just fails to draw me in despite my liking the concept of the world and a few of the characters and their VO’s. I actually enjoy the Manga style panels with semi animated 2D art and voiced text. Much more then the Visual Novel segments that drag on. 👍🏻

@@zombycookie1512 Yeah, that's why I try to engage with them to explain why they think so in good faith. So far, all I can see is the wrong expectations on ZZZ being a high-stake gacha game.

Oof... you do you. That's like saying you don't watch the movie and just look at the plot synopsis in Wikipedia. You're missing out on so many good things about it.

@@FeyHunt its basically the same thing without the game play. I dont have much time playing rather than watching.

@@SlashPockyFTW Ah, gotcha! 👍

Actually, the MC being playable in combat is a recent trend with the rise of 3D gacha games. Before that, it was always MC directing playable characters, especially in older gacha games where it's just a screen of buttons and menus. It seems we're going back to that era with ZZZ. Variations are always good 😄

@@FeyHunt really? That's news to me. Thanks for telling me

That's also my problem with Arknights. I love that game's gameplay, especially the roguelikes. But you can't expect me to have 60 hours of reading time... That's just absurd. Plus, from few events that I've read on... the story is far from what I say satisfactory.

Well, she's always in need of cash! With her leading the class-action lawsuit, she's gonna rack in a bunch of cash. Plus the PR goodwill she got will probably carry her group forward 😂😂

ZZZ is more a modern Honkai Impact 3rd, honestly. If HI3rd is made today, this will be it. Similar team switching mechanic, similar monsters and dangers. In the past, I have mixed feelings about Honkai franchise. They're known to be very slow in pace and overly bloated in storytelling. Some of those traits carry over to Star Rail, I'm afraid. ZZZ landed the first few chapters brilliantly, so let's hope they keep it up! If it's anything like HI3rd, the story will only get better once we hit Chapter 9.

Yes, well said and perfectly summarized! Reusing established elements is definitely a way to save money and make the troubleshooting feels more natural. I agree with you, there are many gacha games where someone or something just popped up at the eleventh hour conveniently there to use. When that happens, I feel kinda cheated. It feels lazy, like the writers write themselves into a corner and come up with some kind of deus ex machina to solve their issues.

Huh... is that so? What part of the story you find boring? Can you point it out?

Yeah! I think it's some of kind shock to the genre and setting the wrong expectations. We've been used to gacha games where we have to save the world. ZZZ is more slice-of-life story. Of course, they won't like the story. There's little to no stake here beyond character developments.

Yep! And that's very refreshing in my opinion. We have so many RPGs and gacha games where you're the chosen one and try to fight a god in the end. ZZZ just said, "nahhh, let's take it slow and relax a bit". That thing will probably come later, but hey you need more friends! And I can respect that, truly!

Yeah! Because it does the initial story so well, people will start to look for more content. That's how you make good games! Don't just dump the yapping on us. Let us love the game first, then we'll look for those yapping ourselves. I love this game!

I did hear that the beta feedback was not great. I don't think I'm interested in looking at why. Heck, I thought I wouldn't like the game when it was first announced, but here we are! The game is brilliant! There are some parts I want them to fix though... like how the Agent story is dogcrap... Also, that autocorrect really failed you right there: "first" to "freeze" 😅

The story of this game is about making friendly relationship with those characters. Plus, there is that conspiracy plotline brewing in the background. It's definitely a different type of story. You're not saving the world (yet). You're just vibing with your friends, enjoying life.

Yeah! In general, Hoyoverse is a master at making unique characters. But they did pull extra for ZZZ. I hope a lot more gacha games taking notes on this.

Haha, thank you for the kind words! Let's hope those games are taking notes and improving their writing. That's what this channel is all about, after all!

That's the second time I've heard someone recommending Counter:Side in this comment section alone. I haven't looked into it yet, but I know it's not exactly the top-earning gacha game. Is the story really that good?

@@FeyHunt The gameplay isn't that interesting imo, but the story is very gripping. A lot of mysteries with just the right pacing, characters that dwell in interesting moral gray areas, and the worldbuilding slowly introduces new elements that really show this universe isn't as simple as you'd first believe. Also, this doesn't affect the story directly but I'm a big fan of the character designs

@@alexsanderivan6511 I see! I got a comment earlier saying that the gameplay is PvP-based, which is not great for a gacha game. But if the story is great enough, I will give it a try!

@@FeyHunt Definitely do. Personally, I watch playthroughs of the game, because the gameplay didn't really work for me. I recommend you try that if the game itself doesn't work for you

Oof, that's a shame. What part of the story you didn't like?

Yep! That's actually a genius way to keep the pacing on point and avoid any distractions. Your phone won't ring in the middle of the mission. If you decide to pause the story and then complain that the pacing is off, it's on you. Well done, Hoyo!

You've put into words what I've always thought of! What happened to the old trope of Hero's Journey in gacha games where every was handed to you on a silver platter? I get that gacha games are a form of escapism, but you have to make the players EARNED that. Work always makes the reward far sweeter. Thank you for the kind words! I'll keep making them!

Haha, yes! I definitely love when Visual Novels take unique POV from different characters. That sends two messages: one, the MCs are NOT the center of the universe. Two, the story have room to expand to cover more characters. It's great!

Good writing! You definitely summarized everything I felt about all those games based on my personal experience. I also did play Genshin, HSR, and Honkai 3rd, but bounced out for its writings. I'm really rooting for WuWa to get its writing as good at its combat. Wow, are you playing all of them at once? Insane... I can only stick to maximum 3 gacha games!

Oof... Can you explain why you did that? Is there any part of the story you don't like?

@@bankaimaster999 That's a fair criticism. I never claimed the game is perfect. There will always be some compromises in game writings. For example: there can no death to playable characters. The intervals are there as a live service game. And if we apply it fairly, it does apply to other live service games as well, like MMORPGs. Final Fantasy 14 or World of Warcraft won't be as good without those additions.

@@tsuaririndoku Haha 🤣🤣 Oh WuWa, my beloved child. I really want that game to have a story as good as its gameplay. I think I will need to make videos about them soon.

@@rizamboi2776 Haha, well branching side quests is not the only thing that ruined stories. Bloat in dialogues is also a problem when the characters are yapping. I have heard of Counterside, is it good? Gameplay and storywise?

@@FeyHunt let me be real with you then chief. Counterside is very heavy lean into pvp side of the game which is dogshit imbalance (to certain extent), BUT I can guarantee you will fall in love with all the cast for how they written or very least not skipping any story. It was a genuine good story cos the chara have their own mind and not some cardboard cut out for player (to certain extent)

@@FeyHunt oh right maybe you should put "real characterization" as plus too in story telling. Making self insert MC by default would make everything have to cater to everyone which mean.... well.... the lack of uniqueness

@@rizamboi2776 Huh... sounds like you have a weird love-hate relationship there. PvP in the gacha game is definitely a no-no for me. It's gonna always be pay to win. It's probably one of those leaderboard things, right? From playing Star Rail, I did learn that I can only tolerate bad gameplay so much before I gave up the game, even though the story is great. I'll put this on the list of games to try with lowered expectations. What else can I expect about the story? Any particular part that I should look deeper into it?

@@FeyHunt deeper? well counterside story is not that deep, the world is not so desperate for telling/explaining themselves, so there wouldnt be too much weird ass jargon and convoluted words thrown around every min you read the story. I guess the Korean really know how to tell a story? Cos Limbus also have a great story. But if what you mean is what part that it goes good? well just pick a chara you find cool and see if they have their own episode or arc. For me it's Shiyoon and Sigma. The story telling is pretty consistent (as I said at very least I could guarantee you wouldnt nodded off)

Well, there is a reason why they will try to use dialogues and Visual Novel first: because it's the cheapest, then comics, and then CG cutscenes in that order. For story-wise, I think reading the text is mandatory when you try to understand the story. It's something you have to get used to it, especially if you've never gone beyond visual mediums like movies or animes. Hope you enjoyed the Belobog crew! They are a bunch of oddballs!

Well it's an entirely different genre. Also, I'm pretty sure Blue Archive's lore two months in wouldn't be as impressive as it is right now. But those Agent stories? Yeah, I'm going to make a video exploding on that stupidity.

Huh... let's talk about it! What part of HSR do you like more than ZZZ?

@@FeyHunt everything except HSR's combat, it's too simplified, lacks tactical depth. Most fights are predetermined by your equipment and party composition even before start.

​@@FeyHunt you probably meant story, right? My bad, my main critique of the story is that it has almost no eye-catching moments and no high stakes: 1- I mean the game need some form of long Wow sequense to fully engage the player (like Cocolia's fight from HSR). Cutscenes are well made but they are not show stealers. 2- HSR and Genshin can use enviromental storytelling to build up the hype for confrontation. ZZZ uses Dragon Age 2 template of reusing maps, so I dont feel like I'm exploring Caverns at all it breaks imersion and affect story. 3- Siblings are professionals, even if they fail to save someone (be it their friends or civilians) I'm sure they'll get over it and find another way to acomplish their mysterious task. I am simply emotionally detached from the story like professional proxy, but it's boring (the only story I really liked was Kaleda's side mission where she infiltrated the school, it was wise desicion to show us children preparing for performance in a Plaza before giving us mission to save them).

@@UnclePunchalot Well in that case, I respectfully think this is a matter of taste and setting up the wrong expectations. ZZZ is more of a slice of life story than trying to save the world. For me, it is a refreshing take on RPGs where we don't kill a god in the end (maybe). This game is made for you to hangout and have fun in with the characters and the gameplay. Maybe it will become a high stake story later, but it's definitely not the focus of the game. Again, if you don't like it, it's totally okay. Different game caters to different audiences. As for the gameplay, I find HSR to be the exact opposite. In ZZZ, you at least have to dodge and break the enemy's stance faster to get damage multiplier. It's all down to execution. It's actually possible to beat any boss as long as you're good at dodging and comboing. In HSR, I don't feel good after finishing a combat encounter. There's no satisfaction that I did it, because I already know that my gear is strong enough. It's pure numbers game, and the auto-mode kind of proves my point. The caveat is that I never got past Belobog. I don't have the fancy 5* characters to play with beyond Himeko, and I don't think the motivation to grind for those characters is worth it. Note that I don't have turn-based game. It's just that HSR doesn't give you combos on the starting characters that made me feel engaged. I don't see any risk/reward mechanic either.