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6 Problems With PoE 2 & How to Fix Them
Llarold’s here with a breakdown of the biggest issues plaguing PoE 2, and some creative solutions for them!
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Gas Arrow Pathfinder is SMOOTH! - Toxic Rain Pathfinder 2.0!
Просмотров 9 тыс.19 часов назад
Llarold’s here with a full build guide on Gas Arrow Pathfinder, the spiritual successor to Toxic Rain Pathfinder in PoE 2! Gas Arrow Pathfinder Maxroll Build Planner: maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/sm6ut0vm Neversink Lite Loot Filter: github.com/NeverSinkDev/NeverSink-PoE2litefilter/releases/tag/0.2.1 Slychac’s Strict Loot Filter: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3626958 Exiled Exchange 2 (Older ...
How to Make Exalts & Divines in PoE 2
Просмотров 29 тыс.22 часа назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown of how to properly set up map juicing in PoE 2! Lightning Monk Build: maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/6m134018 Endgame Atlas Passive Trees: maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/mr2o50vn Neversink Lite Loot Filter: github.com/NeverSinkDev/NeverSink-PoE2litefilter/releases/tag/0.2.1 Slychac’s Strict Loot Filter: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3626958 Exiled Exchange 2 (Older Ver...
Chayula Monk Is Crushing the Endgame - Full Build Guide
Просмотров 22 тыс.День назад
Llarold’s here with a full build guide on Lightning Chayula Monk in PoE 2 Early Access, with tips on gear, skills, passives, leveling, and everything you need to know to absolutely CRANK through the game from start to finish! Maxroll Build Planner: maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/6m134018 Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening Patho...
PoE 2's Next Update Will Solve A LOT of Problems!
Просмотров 3,2 тыс.День назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown of GGG’s next big update to PoE 2! Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a channel member: ruclips.net/channel/UCAzgMXoGmgi7I0Gg7NCpbHwjoin #poe2 #pathofexile2 #arpg Chapters: 0:00 Intro...
Rating Every Campaign Boss in PoE 2
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.День назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown of every single boss in the entirety of PoE 2’s Early Access Campaign! Spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o6TtWKh82rV8hedUYBenDhmrTwPpc1DA-lZ2Fcymfs4/edit?usp=sharing Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: N...
How to Farm Maps in PoE 2
Просмотров 7 тыс.День назад
Llarold’s here with an explanation on how to sustain maps in PoE 2’s endgame! Tablet Mods: poe2db.tw/us/Tablet#TabletItem Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a channel member: ruclips.net/channel/UCAzgMXoGmgi7I0Gg7NC...
PoE 2's Endgame is HUGE!
Просмотров 4,9 тыс.День назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown of GGG’s initial hotfixes for PoE 2 Early Access, endgame mapping, and a big Monk update! Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a channel member: ruclips.net/channel/UCAzgMXoGmgi7I0Gg7NC...
5 Tips to Make PoE 2's Campaign Easier
Просмотров 4,6 тыс.14 дней назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on PoE 2 Early Access and how to play Chayula Monk in it! Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a channel member: ruclips.net/channel/UCAzgMXoGmgi7I0Gg7NCpbHwjoin #poe2 #pathofexile2 #ar...
Chayula Monk Is Shredding PoE 2’s Campaign!
Просмотров 30 тыс.14 дней назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on PoE 2 Early Access and how to play Chayula Monk in it! Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a channel member: ruclips.net/channel/UCAzgMXoGmgi7I0Gg7NCpbHwjoin #poe2 #pathofexile2 #ar...
Breaking Down All 12 Ascendancies in PoE 2!
Просмотров 7 тыс.14 дней назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on all 12 Ascendancies that will be available at the start of PoE 2 Early Access! Ascendancy Post: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3592012 Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a c...
How We’re Getting Ready For PoE 2!
Просмотров 3,7 тыс.21 день назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on all the preparation and planning we’re doing for PoE 2 Early Access! Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager: NiC0LE Support us by becoming a channel member: ruclips.net/channel/UCAzgMXoGmgi7I0Gg7NCpbHwjoin #poe2 #pa...
We've Chosen Our First Build for PoE 2
Просмотров 12 тыс.21 день назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on how we’re choosing what to play in PoE 2 Early Access! PoE 2 DB: poe2db.tw/us/ PoE 2 Skill Tree: marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/ PoE 2 Wiki: www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Path_of_Exile_2_Wiki GGG Official Announcement Video: ruclips.net/video/ZpIbaTXJD4g/видео.html PoE Skills: poe2skills.com/ Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening insta...
Mamba Pathfinder Hits the DoT Cap with Ease! [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 10 тыс.21 день назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on Viper Strike of the Mamba Pathfinder, an amazing build with freakish amounts of damage! Viper Strike of the Mamba Pathfinder PoB: pobb.in/ldrJEDyHG6UU Loot Filter: www.filterblade.xyz/Profile?name=Llarold&platform=pc Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: twitter.com...
Power Siphon Trickster CRANKS on a Budget [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 14 тыс.21 день назад
Llarold’s here with a breakdown on Power Siphon Locus Mine Trickster, a true well-rounded beast of a build. Power Siphon Trickster PoB: pobb.in/4Z9XCBBa03rD Loot Filter: www.filterblade.xyz/Profile?name=Llarold&platform=pc Connect with us: tiktok.com/@PathofEvening PathofEvening Pathofevening PathofEvening Video by: LlaroldLive Channel Manager:...
Charge-Stacking Hierophant Shreds Ubers & T17's! [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 8 тыс.Месяц назад
Charge-Stacking Hierophant Shreds Ubers & T17's! [PoE 3.25]
The OTHER Build of the League [PoE 3.25]
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The OTHER Build of the League [PoE 3.25]
The Necro Settlers Event Is WAY Crazier Than Expected! [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 27 тыс.Месяц назад
The Necro Settlers Event Is WAY Crazier Than Expected! [PoE 3.25]
How to Run Kingsmarch in the Settlers Reset Event! [PoE 3.25]
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How to Run Kingsmarch in the Settlers Reset Event! [PoE 3.25]
What Build Should You Play in Settlers League Fresh Start? [PoE 3.25]
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What Build Should You Play in Settlers League Fresh Start? [PoE 3.25]
Settlers League Review: Was it the Best League Yet? [PoE 3.25]
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Settlers League Review: Was it the Best League Yet? [PoE 3.25]
How to Hit Level 100 Without Really Trying [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 19 тыс.Месяц назад
How to Hit Level 100 Without Really Trying [PoE 3.25]
The Most Efficient Farm Strat of Settlers League [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 16 тыс.2 месяца назад
The Most Efficient Farm Strat of Settlers League [PoE 3.25]
Make Loads of Divines with Ultimatum! [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 12 тыс.2 месяца назад
Make Loads of Divines with Ultimatum! [PoE 3.25]
Best T17 Farm Strat of the League [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 32 тыс.3 месяца назад
Best T17 Farm Strat of the League [PoE 3.25]
How to Farm Corrupted 8-Mod Maps [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 20 тыс.3 месяца назад
How to Farm Corrupted 8-Mod Maps [PoE 3.25]
Lightning Strike Slayer Update (EXPENSIVE!) [PoE 3.25]
Просмотров 36 тыс.3 месяца назад
Lightning Strike Slayer Update (EXPENSIVE!) [PoE 3.25]
T16 Strongboxes: PoE’s Most Popular Farm Strategy!
Просмотров 51 тыс.3 месяца назад
T16 Strongboxes: PoE’s Most Popular Farm Strategy!
20+ Divines Per Hour: The Farm Strat of Kings!
Просмотров 19 тыс.3 месяца назад
20 Divines Per Hour: The Farm Strat of Kings!
this is trash
7. the 10% exp loss on death penalty needs removing/or be less punishing -- i feel very strongly about this.
idk if someone mentioned about - consuming questions ascendary note - how do you actually want to leech energy shield from skill that always hit with unarmed attack (so your mana leech suffix doesn't even exist on this skill XD) ?
Yeah, maybe, but even with other skills and other sources of mana leech, it's not working. Could be a combination of leech resistance & the limited physical damage, but it seems more likely that it's just not functioning at all.
Can someone explain to me why the general consensus around magic find being an issue is that it forces people to play meta builds to be able to do it. I feel like that’s just a cop out answer to why a lot of people don’t like magic find. If we removed magic find from the game, majority of people are still going to play whatever the best build in the game is because then those builds become to most efficient currency farmers. If we are using currency farming as the main metric a build that’s meta and can do harder content faster will make more currency then a non meta build. I’m not sure what magic find actually has to do with that.
Level 86 doing t15 maps with relative ease, still cant kill bosses xD, but i have my HotG Titan for that what would you get from the tree after acrobatics? also i have like 10 divs to sink in to this, any uniques or gear pieces to look for? Again thanks for the build. PD: never played toxic rain PF ion POE1 but will give it a try after this hehe
getting one shotted by a ground effect you can't see cause your abilities cover them up sucks.
Similar to MS being implicit on boots, charm slots should be implicit on belts. It's way too mandatory and feels bad that it competes with other explicits mods.
lets push this crusade to GGGs ears everyone. No rarity please. Stronger character -> harder content -> better loot. Not weaker character. This game is about chasing power. Not trading it off for loot
I just realised you sound like CaptainLance
You may want to get your ears checked. Llarold sounds nothing like Lance.
Currently maps don't feel as good as they could be. The Atlas system is great, but having only one try per map is discouraging me from engaging with the additional systems. I first run around and kill all rares and then I go back and do Rituals, Breaches and such things. Backtracking feels awful, especially since those special spots for the mechanics are not permanently marked on the map after you discovered them.
You make even tough levels look easy. Props to you
why boots don’t have move speed implicit is beyond me
1 qustion, Isn't it better to switch from Ball Lightning of Orbiting to Manabond gem. Manabond + Shock Nova and Overcharge.
and use Awakened Elemental Focus Support for (Manabond ) instead of of Slower Projectiles becuse i dont use Ball Lightning of Orbiting
You can do that if you want. Clear is worse.
As a solo self found, I actually need the magic find. So that opinion for me, is trash. Do you know how hard it is to gamble craft with little no currency? Perhaps trade run characters can see a reduction in percentages. I still think changing things in trade runs now will only make those that have abused magic find rich while everyone else has to catch up, but it is what it is. Everything else in this video is well thought out.
Most mobs need to be reworked whether its for the mob damage, range, speed, hitboxes, or any combination of those. I think this alone would help so many aspects of the game that just feel bad right now. there are too many mobs that just flat out out run you even if you have crazy movement like he does in the video. movespeed should be implicit and the mobs need reworked a ton. All mobs do way to much damage. Dont get me started on crafting, crafting needs a complete overhaul and big changes so its not just an rng orgy for every single thing at every single level. ! dealth maps and the trials are complete bullshit given the state of the game right now. (a complete rework of most mobs and tuning them down could completely solve this.) For the trials if you have honor a dealth should not end your run at all. The whole point of the trails is the new mechanic of honor so why can i not respawn if i die but am manager my trial running great and have tons of honor still? And after dealth effects are complete and utter fucking bullshit the way they are now. most are not well telegraphed and they literally 1 tap you. (again mobs reworks and tune downs along with way better telegraphing could solve this.) Runes and the rune sockets as they are are crazy boring and 1 dimensional. Yes I think rarity needs to be taking out of the game completely and drops just need to be tuned over time in the early access to fix this. Good news is all this stuff is fixable.
how about a 700str giants blood getting body blocked by a damn skeleton. ahahah
It's absurd!
wtf i like olives
That's ok, you can still watch our channel.
Yea towers i always put all my garbage maps in them and speed through them lol
any boot that don't have movement speed is just garbage. even with top tier mod on it. yeah and map boss is rare on the atlas map right now i have like 5-6 boss and at least 30 normal map
How did you make your HUD look like that? Is it in the settings or a mod?
Loot filter!
@PathofEvening Is it the one by neversink? I didn't know it let you move the hud around like that! I like the layout way more to be consolidated on the left+right instead of all on one or covering up so much in the middle 😅
@@PathofEvening Actually I just realized it's because I use a controller haha! I do like that loot filter though
Make loot filters available for EVERYBODY!! I cannot tell u how bad and time consuming it is to not have a loot filter with a map that get multiple breaches close to each other. It’s almost unplayable. This needs to happen now
Yeah, console players feeling like second-class citizens right now.
100% agree, thank you, all this! cannot agree more
Great video, mate. I'm glad to see so many content creators echoing the idea of movement speed being a boot implicit. Ive been saying this since Last Epoch did it. Seems like such a no-brainer I'm surprised GGG havent done it, yet. Also lets them control how much MS players have at each stage of the campaign and balance around it.
its like everyone is making the same video, noone gets that GGG want poe 2 to be diffrent, all the suggestion is about making poe 2 more like poe 1. if we take all the suggestion from this video we get poe 1, i seriously hope GGG dont give in to the pressure
The problems with PoE 2 right now aren't the ways in which it's different, it's the ways in which it's the same, but repeating the already-fixed mistakes of PoE 1.
@@PathofEvening the mistake in poe1 was that it got flooded with mechanics, loot, speed etc. Its how i look at it anyhow
I don’t know about mf cos a friend of mine who is a new player had a little bit of rarity, nothing game changing but he’s been able to get a little bit of currency which he was able to get some good but cheap gear so he can try out a different build (melee). It’s increased his joy for the game a lot so I think it’s not a bad thing in that respect. My issue would be how it can affect the market but other than that it’s all good. I don’t cry when I see others exploiting and getting good drops. I just enjoy playing the game.
If there was one thing I want to add is just increase the probability of affixes to certain damage types based on the weapon you are using. Why am I still wearing a Two Handed Mace from Act 4? Because these weapon types HAVE TO HAVE Physical%, Flat Physical Damage and Physical%+Accuracy as Prefixes in order to be usable. If they do not have these, they will not be an upgrade. That Act 4 mace I got from a VENDOR had all these stats AND rolled into Attack Speed and some kind of life gain, bam. The Phys% runes need to have a WAY higher effect than they have now in order to be a competetive alternative. But this would only allow me to add EVEN MORE damage to the one mace that has the perfect prefixes ... so yeah if you want runes to be a relevant alternative to the crafting bench we need: a) Rune Merging to create more powerful runes. b) Rune effects be exclusive to their corresponding affix (no way to add Fire Res to an item that already has Fire Res, no way to add Physical Damage to an item that already has Physical Damage etc.) Just with 3 Tiers that would require merging 3 runes of the previous tier each (so 9 T1 runes for a T3 rune), we would be able to get 60% Physical Damage Runes and thus 120% Phsical Damage through runes on a weapon. That alone would make the search for a Physical damage weapon upgrade SO MUCH MORE reliable.
No idea why we can't have unlimited attempts at a boss once you spend the key. Imagine having to farm 8 hours every time you want to have one pull for a boss in Elden Ring. Who would want to play that?
It was _such_ a talking point that "any time you pick up a piece of gear that's an upgrade, you can just swap it in, no thinking required!" Yeah, NOT how it turned out. Not even a little bit.
My solution is to quit the game for now. I reached tier 10 maps with my own unique build which is higher than I have ever gotten in poe 1. I can't force myself to play meta, and playing and gearing my build is impossible because everything costs 1div and I get garbage crafting and identifying rolls. Ill go play a different game until poe 2 is more stable and they add flails, swords and daggers and their respective skills.
Agree w you. Even an idea to level just a SECOND character gives me massive headache. And yeah, things like 1 death and portals gone, it's superfrustrating. Few times i died literally w last rare dude in a map, and so lost whole map, which is obviously huge and spent time w that. It's not fun, it's pure frustration. Made me think if i dont want to delete this game, instead just going to 2nd portal which u know...isnt there. But in the end, i think i'll delete this game before finding FIRST citadel... Which takes ages. Or im sure i'll delete it if i'll die w random ONE SHOT there. Also i hate that non existing freedom in what maps i want to play. For example my minion build is bad for dungeons, and i just hate em, but big/open layouts, or linear (like Shore was) i LOVED IT... but here it's not that at all... so im forced to play maps that i DONT really enjoy And yeah, w gear n currency , i kinda feel i play poe1 on RUTHLESS.... Being level 60 and having some BLUE magic items is kinda absurd.
The game is great if you ignore all of the horrible stuff
This gave us a good laugh 😂
@PathofEvening it's inspired me to make an actually-good game :)
You forgot the third leg of the map speed tripod. Map Layout. Way too many hallways and dead ends. We need more blink type skills that can leap over walls/cliffs/etc.
Thanks for the magic find shout I'm new to POE love the game but I really really like the RPG mechanics and the fact I'm supposed to ignore stats I'm excited about for item rarity feels really degenerate
Yeah, the current state of item rarity on gear is really problematic.
Agree to all, but the most important one is to get a proper trading system and not just a copy of the dog shit manual one from PoE 1. Some way of selling items off-line. Also some maps are so irritating like Oasis where you have a horse-shoe shape and getting to the end only to discover that one rare is still alive in the beginning and having to backtrack. Which might take a full minute. Also the one-life per map often forces me not to risk rituals before the map is clear, and no indicators to where the four rituals were even if I heve discovered them all. No need for a memory game here. This could be solved by placing marker on the map once discovered. And no, light radius is not an alternative.
Better crafting item exists… you just will never be able to get them unless you: 1) extremely lucky 2) no life gamer 3) rich
Preach my brother preach. First video ive checked out in a while because ive wanted to figure out the game myself as much as possible. But was curious here. Had to pause 3 minutes and just say fuck i miss you guys videos lol. Please say it from the top of a mountain mandatory movespeed boots so you stuck with one shitty pair the entire campaign so you dont get absolutely mobbed by packs
Finished the video now. I swear bro you dont miss. Even in the rapid fire part i was just like yeah thats so true. Tried the trial of sekhemas for 3rd ascendencies almost 10 levels over leveled. Got wrecked. Im a slam titan. It takes almost 3 seconds for me to slam and because im a noob my build is very conditional. I swing 3 times and maybe on the third all my damage bonuses kick in and i one shot everything. But because i swing slow am tankg and need to swing multiple times to rev up i get hit at least 4 times by every pack even though i have 65ish percent block. Not to mention i have 75 percent armor and i thought that was supposed to apply to honor resist. Brother it does not. I can do level 72-73 maps but cant do a level 66 trial of sekhmas. Why in the fuck am i hard locked out of content meant to improve my character because of build design. I think it's fun to tank 20 shots and swing for the fences on bosses and mobs. GGG thinks i shouldnt be able to ascend because of that. I say if its a ascendency mechanic and they are dead set on it scrap honor make the bosses traps and monsters a little hadder and just make survival the goal. Can you complete it and live. If that's the bar i could have 4 ascendies right now lmao
Pretty much sums everything up both succinctly and poignantly.
Pretty much sums everything up both succinctly and poignantly.
Pretty much agree with everything here. I think something that we are ignoring that might also make a huge difference is when druid comes out. The extra building opportunities in particular for warrior and which could not be understated even ignoring how cool it will be to be the most badass furry in all of wereclast. Right now the missing strength int class kind of makes a lot of the build crafting feel a little bit sadder. Just imagine playing as a war bringer that abuses the bear meta skill gym to combine all the war cries.
Very good points, agree with them all. I'm not as 100% about removing item rarity on items though, but it would be nice to only think about making my char better as you say.
100% agree about the runes, they basically swapped one issue (gem slots on gear) for another by making runes permanent. Please GGG, let us swap them or overwrite current runes!
Lvl 89 pathfinder here, today marks my first day that i have dropped a greater (not perfect) GREATER jeweller's orb, kind of happy that i play the skill granted by my ascendancy otherwise i would still be rocking a 3 link, 118% item rarity on my gear btw. Really tought that them removing Fusings and Jewelers to socket/link your stuff in poe 2 would be a QOL, Silly me 😂
Could you explain how you are able to actually mana leech? Cause Tempest Flurry does elemental damage right?
It's mostly lightning damage, but not 100%, and the remaining phys is enough to sustain mana.
Agree 100%! +sub Stay safe exile!
If you don't like mayo you are a savage.
Sunset is the mayo hater in this studio, but only on sandwiches. She likes it as an ingredient in sauces and pasta salads.
In no scenario do I dislike olives on pizza
To be fair, we only dislike green olives on pizza.
hi its Larold! :)
So based. How you only have 17.7K subscribers is mind-blowing to me. You succinctly listed every gripe i have with the game in 15 minutes. Nicely done sir.
Magic find is very strong in D2. IDK why everyone's malding about it. Perhaps it needs to be downtuned, but not removed.
D2, you say?
@@PathofEvening yeah no one ever complains about mf in d2
Spot on