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Bit of echo around the 1 hour 30 mark

his head probably still hurts from laying out into the Japanese 12 years ago

Great breakdown. I primarily play pickup where we often prioritize safe play over jockeying for space, so I tend to ignore highlights like the first one where (at first glance) it just looks like they're both being a little extra "physical" due to the level of competition. You helped me see what a masterful job Raphy is doing at protecting himself in that situation while still keeping the play alive, and that's a skill you can use at any level of play.

All coaches everwhere: “Visualize success. PICTURE WINNING IN YOUR MIND.” Goose: 🤷

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Wow. This is hard to hear. A difficult road, but you persisted. It's great you kept your leg. It's great you you were in the right hospital and found doctors that wanted to work with you. Good luck with your continuing progress.

Bummer man. Get well soon. What was the accident?

Perfect guest to kick off the KGP!

8:00, that's a good question

Man what an absolutely crazy journey. Praise God for bringing him through it!

kurt rules

Caveat to this, only players with very good body control and field awareness should do this - coordination is king. Much like toes ins, its a skill players should really practice more - this is almost an essential skill in indoor and mini. In this specific example the main issue is that the player jumps blind - if you can see forwards then it minimizes a lot of the issues too. 100% agree with a previous point about most players actually catching while still on the ground and jumping - I take joy in pointing out these travels.

That was so clean. You were all over that--Sweet!

This was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a long time. Can't believe he thought that was the right option.

Of course she has thrown that pass to he sister many times. If she throws it too far in front, you know her sister will get it, she's so good off her feet :)

It would be nice if we could see the whole pass.

Grateful for this video. How to box out in ultimate is something I've pondered for some time. I have a nasty box out from playing basketball, but I don't think it's transfers too well to ultimate (except for maybe when you're de-accelerating to grab or block a deep throw). Because basketballs are dribbled in basketball, it's way easier to keep someone boxed out all the time, so that when they actually make a significant move with the ball, you're not really changing anything. Ultimate is played at such a fast pace it's eluded me how you could run one million MPH and then just box out, but there was some good subtle stuff here in this video.

I agree with your take here. Guys hop the disc in all the time in the pickup I play, and I've seen this happen a few times, I'm not a fan of catching and trying to hop it in when you're back is turned. When you're chasing the disc down and the end zone is before you, I think it's fine. That said, even though I enjoy jumping, hopping it in for the point has never been something I've even ever attempted; it almost feels like you're cheating, like you're not good enough to actually just make one last throw before the point is scored.

Completely agree that 2016 WUGC final was the greatest game ever played.

I like your take, Kurt! What's your thoughts on Canada beating the US here? ... Disclaimer, I am Canadian so I was happy to see this result - it seems like this group that is now in Master's is a golden age of Canadian open ultimate

you keep mentioning that they keep missing open players going upfield. What is the best way or drill during training to avoid these misses?

Interestingly, Hibbert also had a goal earlier in the game like this (at 31:18 on the game clock, Canada's 11th goal). It was called no goal during play but they had a discussion and the goal was awarded. Literally two jump ins in one game from a single player and they both worked out in his favour. Lol. Idk that he learned anything!

Hey Kurt, what do you use to record the video? I wanted to record something but the framerate is choppy when I do. Just wondering if I need a better screen capture software. Thanks!

Wait, so if you intentionally jump with the disc and end up out of bounds, you are allowed to bring it back in? I know that normally when your momentum carries out out of bounds you are allowed to tap it back in at the line, but in this case, he intentionally jumped to get more distance and not to halt his momentum.

I think this defender should be - and probably is if he's honest - deeply ashamed of himself. Go to, attack the disc. Secure the catch. It's like not waiting for the disc when you're cutting under and giving that gung ho defender another whole second to fly in past you and get the D. Keep going to the disc until you've caught it even if you're getting negative yards, unless you somehow are able to make sure there's no defender possible. Which is unlikely you're able to do unless you can see behind you. The way I play pick up, I can sometimes stay in the lane because my defender has fucked off, but other defender's might poach or come along eventually

If you watch a lot of these sorts of plays slowed down, you find that almost everyone jumps late; i.e. they still have their feet on the ground when they catch the disc. There was actually a play late in the game in the recent women's worlds final between USA and Colombia where the receiver jumped late and it was counted as a score.

I gave up on trying to box people out in ultimate. First clip hurts me to watch. Defender fouls offense twice and has the nerve to call a foul on the receiver. That's a joke.

Why are Canadians so physical in sports 😂😂😂

It should also be added that blindly jumping is actually an illegal play according to WFDF rules for obvious reasons: You don’t know if someone is there (or is now there) and you are making a surprising and therefore dangerous change in trajectory.

I did a box out drill no jumping allowed against raphy.... he caught it at his ankles

In my club team, we used to run a huck drill where the cutter and defender were not allowed to jump. It practiced boxing out very well !

Would you say that ultimate players use the term "box out" differently than players of contact sports like basketball? In ultimate, a sport where initiating contact should theoretically always be a foul, how is boxing out any different than just running to where the disc is going to land before your opponent gets there?

appreciate the vid! I've implemented a lot of the things you've taught/shown in your previous vids - i'd say the title and examples aren't really matching up - with the first example, i think it's a great example of playing through contact and though you do a good example of explaining the jr initated contact, i would chalk it down to poor receiving defence because he's effectively committing a pass interference penalty if this was football, like he doesn't even get his head up to try and locate the disc....he was playing the man, not the disc, and accelerates into hayes, and i think it's a good example of playing through contact, e.g. bracing and tucking your elbow in, as well as not extending arms which all can also come into mix when talking about boxing out technique then the second example, while conrad is better positioned to contest and there's no contact until the minor and incidental contact as they're coming down, but as you pointed out, hayes highpoints it, while a great play, i wouldn't put it down as boxing out. I think of boxing as putting your body between the disc and the defender, and holding the space where the defender might otherwise look to jump to contest/make a play, instead taking away that opportunity by your body being in the way, and be prepared to absorb contact before accelerating towards towards the disc later in it's flight path, where only you can get it because it infront of you now, and the defender is out of the play by either avoiding contact with you while trailing, or being off balance/out of position to make a play due to the contact i think boxing out is an essential tool for winning 1 on 1's in the deep game, especially if you're being guarded by a taller/longer player

I went and reviewed the first catch and the subsequent foul.. the d said he was approaching and got pushed away (during the Raphy slowdown) before the follow up catch.. why wasn't a immediate call made PRIOR to the catch?.. instead of waiting for the follow-on outcome of the catch?.. is that bad etiquette? (note there was like 3 seconds on the game clock that had elapsed from the bump to the follow on catch.. if that changes any "opinion")

Japan looked like they thought it was practice. Like "ok, you do this cut, and I'll send it."

No the greatest game of Ultimate played is now the WBUCC 2024 men's final. I think you were there... ;P

thanks for another analysis vid Kurt! always really enjoy hearing your thoughts. to clarify for your point at 15:00 about the rifling flicks while throwing downwind - is it that you're bringing the 'rifling' up as a potential playstyle choice that is not as effective when compared to a more movement-style offense? or did i misunderstand - thanks in advance!

I know you are speaking to the specific strategy/this match up, and I definitely agree with your points. Another factor to consider before it even comes to this game is where different teams ended up in the draw & how games went before this match. My team heard that Japan had purposely lost to Columbia in their power pool game so that they would end of on the opposite side of bracket play from the USA. I've got no idea if this is true or not, but it was the rumor going around at the time at WUC. This is not to throw shade at Japan, they are/were an excellent team and beat each team in bracket play fair & square and earned their finals position. But I do think that this strategy could have contributed to the result. Furthermore, if you consider how many games were played & points were played, you could also possibly factor in fatigue building up over the tournament further contributing to this result. Japan played a crossover game/pre-quarters (over NZ 15-12), won their quarters (over Belgium 15-14), and won their semi-finals (over Australia 14-8). This is a total of 78 points over 3 games. The USA on the other side played *only* two games during this same span, winning both games 15-8 (Canada, GB). That's a total of 46 points played, compared to 78 for Japan. I think over the course of a tournament that plays a big part, especially in crunch time where lines typically tighten (especially for teams that are not the USA).

can you make a video on pony's offense please🙏🏽 perhaps on some of their games in the recent club champs. i think they play somewhat of an "inverted vert stack" and then split stack.

This was one of the best games I have ever seen in my entire life . I love you and Mario as 2 of the best players and ambassadors of the sport. But as a European I'd be lying if I said I wasn't routing for them too , especially as US seem to win everything. <3

Wow. You're too modest. I would say that was the greatest layout D ever.

One recommendation for future breakdowns I would give is to maybe increase the size of your cursor or change the color. Since you and the viewer don’t know all the player names and it’s kinda confusing when you say “this guy” not sure exactly who is it. I think it would help visually, maybe it’s because i am watching from a small screen as well

Great Job! While in the spirit of world stage beach open division, have you reviewed the PH vs USA semi at WBUC 2015 in Dubai? That’d be a great one we’d all love to learn from you

It worked but could've gone wrong. The third guy chose to cut instead of be a dump, despite the high count. I probably wouldn't want coaches to teach this. The 4th guy in the end zone was also doing nothing.. He could've just gone to the other corner to pull his defender away from the open side, preventing any poaching attempt.

This is why I don't like deep "cuts" like this (where D has set up with inside tech so receiver just goes without making a move) unless you're just a lot faster than your defender

1st strike was just a bit early, thrower still wasn't set to throw by the time he came open Delay that cut by 1-2 seconds = ez goal IMO

Always appreciate the analysis. Protip for reviewing content on yt: hit Period to go 1 frame ahead, and Comma to go 1 frame back.

Hey Kurt, one thing I've often heard is to not cut deep "in the same third" for a huck. You didn't mention this though, so just curious if you don't believe in this rule. Are deep cuts fine from anywhere in front of the thrower in your experience at the highest level of ultimate? Thanks!

A double strike cut is hard to stop... cant imagine trying to stop a triple. I love the fact that team didnt even flinch high in the stall count, and trusted thrower enough for noone to stand behind the disc.

Thanks for the great analysis. I agree 100% that the first cut was open and could have easily been thrown. I'm less sure about the second cut. It's hard given the vantage point, but it looks to me like the defender does a nice job of using their positioning to block the direct route to the cone. You can see from this perspective that they are almost directly between their defender and the corner, cutting off the direct path to the most dangerous space on the field. That positioning is probably what forces the player they're guarding into a more vertical cut. But because of the angle relative to thrower, that cut is less dangerous and gives the defender more time to react. At that point the defender reacts by moving straight at the cone themselves, cutting off that throwing lane. All to say: I'm not sure that throw was open or should have gone off. At 3:34 it looks like the defender is pretty much directly between the thrower and their mark and moving such that they would have had a good shot of blocking that throw. The thrower might have been able to put it out into the corner space, but the cutter would have had to react correctly, and there's a defender lurking.