The dota devs making their thing 6v6 is really super telling, mentioned to a friend of mine who never played ow2 that it went 5v5, and he was just like "won't people just hard focus the solo tank?". You dont need to be a game designer or even involved with overwatch to know about that problem, its really obvious.
@@christianalexander6364 he knows of overwatch the tiniest bit, just doesn't play it. he knew there was 2 tanks, 2dps, 2 supp and now there's 1 tank and managed to infer the rest from there. that's like saying "they don't play pokemon, they can't know who pikachu is!"
@@christianalexander6364Yeah, that’s such a BS story. I told my friend once that Overwatch used to be 6v6. He looked into my eyes and said: "But wouldn’t that make the queue times longer?" I said yes and then we kissed.
I got the game in 2017. I prefer open queue, lootboxes, 6v6, the old game modes and archives, and many of the old hero kits (Doomfist, McCree, Orisa, Bastion). Overwatch is now similar to Halo, its a soulless game. Its Overwatch mobile. I am excited for Marvel Rivals.
FOR REAL DUDE OLD KITS but also 6v6, lootboxes probably won't come back because it's free to play unfortunately, I'd go back to a paid game if I had my way, but that's just me and probably not happening
@@AntivenomOW it won't be if they make fun things but yeah idk if it'll properly FULLY compete, but I've seen a lot of ow players go to LEAGUE so who knows lmao
The fact the Halo comparison is viewed negatively now is damning both for Overwatch AND the Halo franchise (EFF YOU 343I FOR THE BS YOU PULLED WITH HALO INFINITE!!). Marvel Rivals feels like a cash-grab for me as a guy who's never played OW, but at the same time, the desperation for something _new_ in the overwatch community feels like Marvel Rivals might have a good chance at gobbling up the OW player community, especially those who long for the days of OW1.
Honestly the downfall of this game saddens me. Playing it now actually feels souless. I remember playing this game for hours upon hours and having so much fun win or lose. I have over 1000 hours on this game, more than any game I've ever played, and for what? Game lost its soul.
I played ow1 til the very last second, I remember going Winton on ilios n everybody gathering to wait that the server got shut down, we were all so excited for ow2 ...at that time I didn't realise it but it was the very last time I truly enjoyed overwatch.
I like this discussion and agree with you about the game losing its soul and what made is special. Many people justify the game's skill ceiling and complexity being reduced in many ways by saying it better appeals to the mainstream, but mainstream isn't good. Mainstream is often corporate BS, and back when OW wasn't appealing to the mainstream and was its own special thing, it had the best reputation and biggest playerbase!
What made OW1 have soul is (in part) 6v6, you just had more freedom to pick a hero and that hero wouldnt instantly get counterswapped, rein was viable bascially all the time, winston too But everything else about OW1 had more soul aswell, the HUD for example was stylized to fit OW, since OW2 its the same boring bland "Modern Sharp Edges" design and it blows Or the Music in the game, i dont know if im the only one, but the Old Play of the Game theme was fucking hype, the loud trumpets hitting when you hit a huge play omg, the new POTG Theme again tries to be this "Modern" bs and its just a remix of the better soundtrack But it doesnt stop there, the game just lost a lot of little things that made players excited, where the fuck are End-of-Game lobbies? Where you could still interact with other players or Vote for the best Stats of a Player, granted the Card Voting didnt do anything, but it was still fun Or how the Account Level showed on your Border ingame, trying to get the highest level in OW1 was fun, in OW2 it doesnt feel like anything Or why the hell, did we remove Rank Icons from the portrait, DURING A RANKED MATCH? This always made me play better, seeing your rank all the time and knowing you can make that rank go up was fun as fuck (Dont get me started on the desing of the new Icons, the T500 one looks like vomit) Or why the hell, did they remove weekly Arcade rewards? If you dont remember OW1 had 3 weekly Lootboxes to earn from playing arcade, this is completly gone now And dont get me started on Events, in OW1 a Event was a big thing, it was marketed to all players, the whole game changed its background and soundtrack and it came (For the first year of OW1s Lifespan) with a banger gamemode Lucioball, Junkenstein, Mei Snowball Offense, (Capture the flag is mid ill admit) but then the Uprising Story Mission holy hell when that released in 2017 it was fucking Hype, the skins too and even into 2018, the Retribution event was still hype Blizzard just has to admit OW2 was a failure, i see way more people playing the game again when they do the following -> At Blizzcon 2025 admit OW2 was a mistake and rebrand to just "Overwatch" again, the name OW2 leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth, get rid of it -> At Blizzcon 2025 tell you audience you will return to 6v6, since Tank doesnt work and the whole Teamplay aspect of the game got lost, 5v5 is just a glorified Deathmatch. Take around 4 Months to balance the game. (If Marvel Rivals pops-off with OpenQ, we could even go back to 6v6 OpenQ, i just want 6v6 back idc anymore) -> Keep the Game F2P -> Make Skins cost 10$ instead of 20$ and make epics cost 5$, no reason to be this greedy -> Add Back Account Levels, why the hell can i only level a shitty BP? I want to see the constant growth of my account, give me a Account Level, let me farm some currency or portrait border or maybe even small cosmetics idk (The current Acc Level doesnt do anything i dont count it) -> Add Back some weekly Arcade rewards -> Add Back a Rank Icon when playing Competitive -> "Hot" Take, add back SR Points for rank, its was more exciting to exactly know your rank and how much you need to grind, the Division system is fine for now but its too vague -> Make Events big things again, not just "Oh heres a porsche collab" NO!!! Events should be Marketed with their Own Trailer, should get a big replayable gamemode, should get some free skins to earn and should shape how some maps look/the menu looks. Like when its christmas, Hanamura became a Winter Map, its more effort but makes the game feel like it has a soul I dont know if you could tell but im playing OW1 since 2016 and im so passionate about it, its my favourite game. OW2 is a disgrace, its not even in my Top 50 games, its fucking horrible, the PvP is boring as fuck because of 5v5 and everything around the game is lacking too I truly believe blizzard can turn it around, but being so delusional and wanting to fix 5v5 for 2 years now (With more patches than 6v6 ever got btw) and being so fucking greedy is ruining this game more and more
DUDE "But everything else about OW1 had more soul aswell, the HUD for example was stylized to fit OW, since OW2 its the same boring bland "Modern Sharp Edges" design and it blows" HOLY SHIT I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS AND NEVER SEEN ANYONE ELSE TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S SO UNDERRATED THANK YOU, it's such a small detail sometimes but so crucial to the feel of the game, also I gotta say the sound design direction was SO TERRIBLE for ow2, simplifying all the guns to sound "more realistic" come the fuck on lmfao man
About the events your honestly just looking for things too hate on, events are STILL big things. look at the latest EVENT we had not collab, which I would say was the Lessarfim collab/event in which there was a completely new game mode on which you got severel free reward including a legendary skin. Also the Halloween event has several different game modes and maps still get updated for Christmas. (And also several Christmas/winter game modes) The Porsche collab was just that a collab too advertise Porsche which are allowed too be things alongside real events
You speak my soul, I miss the game when it was the way it was. It’s a soulless cash cow that has sheeple buying whatever shit blizzard shits out onto their plate. I want these things to happen, but knowing Activision having blizzard in their grasp just makes this impossible. Overwatch is getting the “Call of Duty” treatment right now.
Their philosophy on changing the game also doesnt help. I never understood why they were so resistant to walking back changes that are universally hated like im sorry the patch didnt go the way you want but when the entire community is coming to the consensus that the change you made was demonstrably worse for the game you should revert it. its like they think theyre never wrong about anything they will make an ability on a character game ruiningly broken and when people complain about it they nerf SOMETHING ELSE. Brain damage.
This game was fun until it became ow 2, but the one thing I can point to that completely ruined it for me is widowmaker, she is just unbalanced no matter what they do with her, high skill players will make playing against them completely un fun, and people who aren't good with her are a detrement to their team.
Marvel Rivals: 6v6 Valve new moba shooter: 6v6 Xdefiant (mix between cod & ow): 6v6 Passionate ow players: 6v6 Blizzard: Fuck you, we’ll stick with 5v5 so people cant say ow2 was just a monetization update
The funniest part for me is that if I play paladins or overwatch for a month straight, I guarantee you that I'll probably come out pretty tired from paladins but I had fun even against cancer comps, while I'll just kill myself from playing only overwatch
The thing that gets me is the reason was SO TRANSPARENT. They only did it because nobody wanted to be the punching bag on tank so they thought only needing one tank would help with queue times.
I left Overwatch after season 6 and never looked back, played since Halloween of the second year after launch. They have ruined, removed, cancelled, or completely forgotten about all the things I enjoyed about it, so I have no actual reason to play anymore.
dude that ending with the ow1 gameplay and music actually got me in the feels man :') man I miss the year of 2022 until october, I was grinding the game so hard and was having the time of my life
1:47 THIS IS ACTUALLY INSANE LMFAO I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE MAKING IT 6V6, THAT IS ACTUALLY JUST TOO PERFECT lmfao man what the hell is going on anymore
I just want to say I love this video and I hope your channel grows to what it should be. Even though I didn't play overwatch 1 too much the clips at the end really made me remember the weird and wacky strats that I would pull off with my friends.
I think only cure for overwatch is a 6v6 open queue, rather then a role queue format. The open queue format will give players more agency, and the devs will find it easier to balance the heroes, since your not trying to balance them in a role. The current state of overwatch sucks. When one tank is nerfed, another comes into the meta. It's an never-ending cycle of nerfs and buffs, and it becomes exhausting.
Honestly I think overwatch should have upgrade paths like gigantic. that way it can change how each character can play and help create different playstyles. For example you talked about Baptiste with his aoe heals. What if at certain points of the game he could choose an upgrade path where he becomes single target however in exchange he heals for more and a slight speed boost upon heal which doesn't stack. His passive jump could have an upgrade where its more horizontal instead of vertical that way he can potentially work with dive? Or his immortality field functions differently where its could give temporary armour. Idk I am just spit balling ideas here. But what I think could be cool about this type of context could be that the upgrades are time based. meaning that if you constantly switch you will be punished because you did not commit to one hero that way technically you get number crept by the enemy supports because they sat on mercy all game. This isn't very well thought out just an initial idea wanted to hear your opinion.
I stopped for a few years in the middle but I played from beta to now otherwise and it's just. Soulless and worse and I was SO excited for pve and then they just got rid of it. There's nothing that's exciting or creative about it anymore!!! It's so sad. Overwatch 1 had so much more soul and excitement even when it was unbalanced
I loved being a support main in open queue, normally I'd play my role but if we needed a dps, there was sombra, mei, soldier, and others for me. If we needed tank, I could play orisa, dva, zarya. So many combos just cant be done anymore due to role lock and 5v5. I enjoyed tank more as a support player in 6v6, no fun being the only punching bag in 5v5
My red flag (I never really was like super on OW's side, to begin with. ) was when they changed Mccree's name. Also extended is how some of the animations they've made were no longer accurate to how characters interact with the world, like Hanzo
Hearing talk of Muselk and overwatch 1..brings me back to the 30-40 minute long loot box opening videos many people did where it was just groups of friends bsing for the entire time and just having fun even doing that. That..energy just isn't here anymore. I've been playing ow1 since launch, and now here I am, ass end of season 10, quit comp this season. Doesn't bring me enjoyment anymore, and I pretty much just get on to finish the pass now. I think I'm finally just getting over the game itself. Because it's not how it was, and it's not as fun to me now.
Even though I barely play overwatch as much as I used too, I hope one day overwatch comes back better then whatever this 5v5 and boring reworks and maybe they bring back some old campaign missions? that could be nice but I mean it’s just a thought and there’s more to be done of course, doesn’t hurt to hope though
overwatches prime was when there were no hero limits and no competitive mode and the game was just goofy fun. that only lasted about a year before they ruined everything. they could have been team fortress 3, instead they made something somehow less fun than a 17 year old game being actively murdered by bot hosters with a "dev team" who hasnt released a major update since the first year of overwatch. (#fixtf2) (also god save overwatch)
They need: ⚠🔥 1 ) Start banning smurfing 2) Remove the handicap matchmaking system and the 50/50 win rate system. Just made pool of players within 700Sr and randomly pick 12 players. NO other MATH!! 3) Remove DPS healing 4 ) Remove half of CC 5 ) Remove Sombra 6 ) Bring back 6vs6 and disable two shield tanks in one team ( so no double shields meta ) 7 ) Ban all bronze to GM streamers 8 ) Rework moira to actuall skill hero 9) Nerf flankers 10 )Nerf nade. About 30 % 11) every new map must have something interesting that makes the gameplay special. Environmental stuff. Jump pads, weather, worm holes and so on. 12 ) Delete flashpoint. 13) DPS players complaining that they are not being healed. Add to the public match stats how many heal who got from healers 14) Nerf hyper mobility. Maybe extend cooldowns of jumps/teleports. Positioning is important. But has been absolutely negated by the fact that everyone has an escape button. This should have all been resolved a long time ago. But then the developers would have to stop working on $40 skins and start playing their game.
that ending... man it made me smile. i miss that feeling. they really need to either wipe the slate clean, or fix this game to what it once was. overwatch 2 was a failure.
Considering they laid off PvE team that was making the mastery courses for the heroes, I doubt we'll get any more of those either. So while the SP ones aren't scrapped, they're cancelled, like everything in OW2.
I still think if they just bring back 6v6, nerf the damage a bit and the game will be somewhat enjoyable again. I miss having fun in this game and now it's just become competitive quick play.
Really not a fan of the idea of building things from the ground up. Yeah hero balance won't solve everything but I don't personally feel the gameplay itself needs to be remade entirely. When it comes to hero balance I feel like its obvious what they need to do for a lot of players, 6v6, healthy hero philosophy like heroes having weaknesses and fair skill to value ratio or whatever, fix/remove immortalities etc, but yeah there does prolly need to be more done too. An overwatch classic that brings back the majority of overwatch one when it comes to mechanics like cards after matches, with also the hero balance stuff mentioned before, is what I would want. I do also wonder if they even have enough money and workers available to team 4 to keep doing or do anymore origin stories animated shorts etc, same with skins considering venture has no legendries. Idk, I hope something changes as more people leave to go play other hero shooters or leave just because they're sick of blizzards shit. it is scary tho to think the potential of overwatch will probably never be reached considering they've fumbled this game for so many years.
I don't even think an OW3 would save the game. This is because I truly do feel as though OW has fundamental balance and hero-design issues which has only become more apparent with the switch to 5v5. 6v6 was absolutely saveable and was nowhere near as awful and dull as OW2 feels but there were still some problems that needed to be addressed badly. To me blizzard got way too confident in their hero designs leading to heroes and abilities that generally weren't great for the game albiet felt amazing to play. In particualy, bap, and sigma were the two main contributors to double shield and this was simply because their kits were over-tuned. Baps amazing AOE healing (which he has TWO abilities to do that) combined with lamp and Sig with his crazy ability uptime made breaking through chokes almost impossible. For the most part I believe blizzard is amazing when it comes character design (Doom being one of my favorites) but man has that attention to detail only gotten worse and based on what we've seen will probably continue to. For every JQ/Ram, we get a mauga, kiriko, WifeLeaver, and sojourn (to an extent, I just think her railcannon would be better if had a higher uptime and lower damage making it more of a clean-up ability instead of a pocket sniper). Generally, I do love the game, I've been here since launch and would pay a good amount just to experience the original game once again.However, I don't think team 4 has the ability to properly balance the game even if we go back to 6v6 and that's a feels bad. BTW do yall remember when we used to look forward to in-game events? Now the games another APEX clone where events are basically store updates with a theme and little to nothing else.
I just recently realized the level of which the OW community gets screwed at every turm. I picked up Apex recently just to mess around on an then found out that they had a colab event recently...with another video game. Ok I thought, thats cra WTF DO YOU MEAN THE COLAB GAME MODE WAS FINAL FANTASY 7. Not only could you get themed skins from what was my fav game as a kid, the game mode let you equip magic materia THAT YOU COULD SEE ON THE CHARACTER MODELS an created a cloud bustersword weapon you could find with it's own combat system around it. OW got Cowbow bebop skins for a week an half. Then there was the story. Holy moly. They release lil story/lore snippets CONSTNLY. And in retrospect... it's made me realize just what OW really is. It's an abusive relationship. SOmething you thought you knew, but really were jus filling in the blanks with what you wanted to see. We all kept hope because they said they'd change, but never do. Etc.
With so many free games coming out, even if they aren't shooters, I think Overwatch will suffer if don't fix itself. 5v5 is so boring, sombra's rework still makes her frustrating to play, Cass grande is arguably more frustrating than flash bang, and there's so much more problems like they buffing brig non-stop, like why?
It's not impossible. Don't make excuses for them. The issues were invincibility caused by support and certain self healing abilities. Take those away and the game was fine. Instead they took away a tank. Morons.
6 v 6 and open Q is not really worth it anymore with the new heros. Back then it was cool yes. But we have now so many heros with broken abilitys that open Q would be hell and 2 tanks per team would just make the dps useless again. Imagine a team with 2-3 kirikos and 2-3 tanks per team, you can tell me what you want but that aint sounding fun.
they're the laziest devs with so much ego they think its still 2016 goty. Instead of working on the game they're busy adding inclusivity lmao. It takes team 4 months to do anything.
The dota devs making their thing 6v6 is really super telling, mentioned to a friend of mine who never played ow2 that it went 5v5, and he was just like "won't people just hard focus the solo tank?". You dont need to be a game designer or even involved with overwatch to know about that problem, its really obvious.
lmfao it's insane
Bro someone who doesn't play overwatch wouldn't know there would be a solo tank in 5v5, stop the cap😹
@@christianalexander6364 he knows of overwatch the tiniest bit, just doesn't play it. he knew there was 2 tanks, 2dps, 2 supp and now there's 1 tank and managed to infer the rest from there. that's like saying "they don't play pokemon, they can't know who pikachu is!"
@@christianalexander6364Yeah, that’s such a BS story.
I told my friend once that Overwatch used to be 6v6. He looked into my eyes and said: "But wouldn’t that make the queue times longer?" I said yes and then we kissed.
@@AntivenomOW lmfao okay dude good one
I got the game in 2017. I prefer open queue, lootboxes, 6v6, the old game modes and archives, and many of the old hero kits (Doomfist, McCree, Orisa, Bastion). Overwatch is now similar to Halo, its a soulless game. Its Overwatch mobile.
I am excited for Marvel Rivals.
Think I miss most from ow1 was the $60 I paid for only to have the game vanish a month or so later
FOR REAL DUDE OLD KITS but also 6v6, lootboxes probably won't come back because it's free to play unfortunately, I'd go back to a paid game if I had my way, but that's just me and probably not happening
Acting like Marvel Rivals isn’t gonna be dead in a year and you won‘t be crawling back to OW lol
@@AntivenomOW it won't be if they make fun things but yeah idk if it'll properly FULLY compete, but I've seen a lot of ow players go to LEAGUE so who knows lmao
The fact the Halo comparison is viewed negatively now is damning both for Overwatch AND the Halo franchise (EFF YOU 343I FOR THE BS YOU PULLED WITH HALO INFINITE!!).
Marvel Rivals feels like a cash-grab for me as a guy who's never played OW, but at the same time, the desperation for something _new_ in the overwatch community feels like Marvel Rivals might have a good chance at gobbling up the OW player community, especially those who long for the days of OW1.
Turns out when you define a sequel by removing stuff from the game you sequel is hollow af. LMAO who knew
Oh the sequel was for PVE, not anymore :(
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Honestly the downfall of this game saddens me. Playing it now actually feels souless. I remember playing this game for hours upon hours and having so much fun win or lose. I have over 1000 hours on this game, more than any game I've ever played, and for what? Game lost its soul.
I played ow1 til the very last second, I remember going Winton on ilios n everybody gathering to wait that the server got shut down, we were all so excited for ow2 ...at that time I didn't realise it but it was the very last time I truly enjoyed overwatch.
Ikr :(
Seeing old bastion ult at the end of vid just made me sad, completely forgot how fun it used to be
No idea why they ever took that away it was so much better and fun
@@AkumosBDFbutbutbutbut its hard to balance butbut bastion isnt meta at top level 🤓🤓🤓
I like this discussion and agree with you about the game losing its soul and what made is special. Many people justify the game's skill ceiling and complexity being reduced in many ways by saying it better appeals to the mainstream, but mainstream isn't good. Mainstream is often corporate BS, and back when OW wasn't appealing to the mainstream and was its own special thing, it had the best reputation and biggest playerbase!
TRUE I HATE how some people justify catering to Valorant players or whatever
What made OW1 have soul is (in part) 6v6, you just had more freedom to pick a hero and that hero wouldnt instantly get counterswapped, rein was viable bascially all the time, winston too
But everything else about OW1 had more soul aswell, the HUD for example was stylized to fit OW, since OW2 its the same boring bland "Modern Sharp Edges" design and it blows
Or the Music in the game, i dont know if im the only one, but the Old Play of the Game theme was fucking hype, the loud trumpets hitting when you hit a huge play omg, the new POTG Theme again tries to be this "Modern" bs and its just a remix of the better soundtrack
But it doesnt stop there, the game just lost a lot of little things that made players excited, where the fuck are End-of-Game lobbies? Where you could still interact with other players or Vote for the best Stats of a Player, granted the Card Voting didnt do anything, but it was still fun
Or how the Account Level showed on your Border ingame, trying to get the highest level in OW1 was fun, in OW2 it doesnt feel like anything
Or why the hell, did we remove Rank Icons from the portrait, DURING A RANKED MATCH? This always made me play better, seeing your rank all the time and knowing you can make that rank go up was fun as fuck (Dont get me started on the desing of the new Icons, the T500 one looks like vomit)
Or why the hell, did they remove weekly Arcade rewards? If you dont remember OW1 had 3 weekly Lootboxes to earn from playing arcade, this is completly gone now
And dont get me started on Events, in OW1 a Event was a big thing, it was marketed to all players, the whole game changed its background and soundtrack and it came (For the first year of OW1s Lifespan) with a banger gamemode
Lucioball, Junkenstein, Mei Snowball Offense, (Capture the flag is mid ill admit) but then the Uprising Story Mission holy hell when that released in 2017 it was fucking Hype, the skins too and even into 2018, the Retribution event was still hype
Blizzard just has to admit OW2 was a failure, i see way more people playing the game again when they do the following
-> At Blizzcon 2025 admit OW2 was a mistake and rebrand to just "Overwatch" again, the name OW2 leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth, get rid of it
-> At Blizzcon 2025 tell you audience you will return to 6v6, since Tank doesnt work and the whole Teamplay aspect of the game got lost, 5v5 is just a glorified Deathmatch. Take around 4 Months to balance the game. (If Marvel Rivals pops-off with OpenQ, we could even go back to 6v6 OpenQ, i just want 6v6 back idc anymore)
-> Keep the Game F2P
-> Make Skins cost 10$ instead of 20$ and make epics cost 5$, no reason to be this greedy
-> Add Back Account Levels, why the hell can i only level a shitty BP? I want to see the constant growth of my account, give me a Account Level, let me farm some currency or portrait border or maybe even small cosmetics idk (The current Acc Level doesnt do anything i dont count it)
-> Add Back some weekly Arcade rewards
-> Add Back a Rank Icon when playing Competitive
-> "Hot" Take, add back SR Points for rank, its was more exciting to exactly know your rank and how much you need to grind, the Division system is fine for now but its too vague
-> Make Events big things again, not just "Oh heres a porsche collab" NO!!! Events should be Marketed with their Own Trailer, should get a big replayable gamemode, should get some free skins to earn and should shape how some maps look/the menu looks. Like when its christmas, Hanamura became a Winter Map, its more effort but makes the game feel like it has a soul
I dont know if you could tell but im playing OW1 since 2016 and im so passionate about it, its my favourite game.
OW2 is a disgrace, its not even in my Top 50 games, its fucking horrible, the PvP is boring as fuck because of 5v5 and everything around the game is lacking too
I truly believe blizzard can turn it around, but being so delusional and wanting to fix 5v5 for 2 years now (With more patches than 6v6 ever got btw) and being so fucking greedy is ruining this game more and more
DUDE "But everything else about OW1 had more soul aswell, the HUD for example was stylized to fit OW, since OW2 its the same boring bland "Modern Sharp Edges" design and it blows" HOLY SHIT I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS AND NEVER SEEN ANYONE ELSE TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S SO UNDERRATED THANK YOU, it's such a small detail sometimes but so crucial to the feel of the game, also I gotta say the sound design direction was SO TERRIBLE for ow2, simplifying all the guns to sound "more realistic" come the fuck on lmfao man
@@bambampewpew32 Forgot about the Gun sounds actually, but yeah listening to the new ones they are horrible lol
About the events your honestly just looking for things too hate on, events are STILL big things. look at the latest EVENT we had not collab, which I would say was the Lessarfim collab/event in which there was a completely new game mode on which you got severel free reward including a legendary skin. Also the Halloween event has several different game modes and maps still get updated for Christmas. (And also several Christmas/winter game modes) The Porsche collab was just that a collab too advertise Porsche which are allowed too be things alongside real events
You speak my soul, I miss the game when it was the way it was. It’s a soulless cash cow that has sheeple buying whatever shit blizzard shits out onto their plate. I want these things to happen, but knowing Activision having blizzard in their grasp just makes this impossible. Overwatch is getting the “Call of Duty” treatment right now.
@@heiko2255 duuude yeah seeing ow1 gameplay of genji, THE SHURIKENS SOUNDED SO CLEANNNN (obviously not just him though lol)
Their philosophy on changing the game also doesnt help. I never understood why they were so resistant to walking back changes that are universally hated like im sorry the patch didnt go the way you want but when the entire community is coming to the consensus that the change you made was demonstrably worse for the game you should revert it. its like they think theyre never wrong about anything they will make an ability on a character game ruiningly broken and when people complain about it they nerf SOMETHING ELSE. Brain damage.
Or better yet they BUFF ORISA FOR THE BILLIONTH FUCKING TIME!
"like im sorry the patch didnt go the way you want" LMFAO TRUE
@@bavier6355 B-but Orisa's winrate!!!!!!!!
This game was fun until it became ow 2, but the one thing I can point to that completely ruined it for me is widowmaker, she is just unbalanced no matter what they do with her, high skill players will make playing against them completely un fun, and people who aren't good with her are a detrement to their team.
Finally some opinions from a normal player that is not top 500, based
but most people think its not valid because everyone sucks in ranks below grand master
Marvel Rivals: 6v6
Valve new moba shooter: 6v6
Xdefiant (mix between cod & ow): 6v6
Passionate ow players: 6v6
Blizzard: Fuck you, we’ll stick with 5v5 so people cant say ow2 was just a monetization update
The funniest part for me is that if I play paladins or overwatch for a month straight, I guarantee you that I'll probably come out pretty tired from paladins but I had fun even against cancer comps, while I'll just kill myself from playing only overwatch
The thing that gets me is the reason was SO TRANSPARENT. They only did it because nobody wanted to be the punching bag on tank so they thought only needing one tank would help with queue times.
I left Overwatch after season 6 and never looked back, played since Halloween of the second year after launch. They have ruined, removed, cancelled, or completely forgotten about all the things I enjoyed about it, so I have no actual reason to play anymore.
Came back to OW after a good 3 years break.. I just want to go back to vanilla OW 6v6 when Ana was released, the game seemed good then
dude that ending with the ow1 gameplay and music actually got me in the feels man :') man I miss the year of 2022 until october, I was grinding the game so hard and was having the time of my life
I'm just so tired. I open this game, see the fucking shop, see the battle pass and it just makes me tired.
6:35 HOLY shit I completely forgot lmfao I keep forgetting muselk even exists man I used to watch him
Shit I remember when he used to do TF2 instead of Overwatch
1:47 THIS IS ACTUALLY INSANE LMFAO I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE MAKING IT 6V6, THAT IS ACTUALLY JUST TOO PERFECT lmfao man what the hell is going on anymore
I just want to say I love this video and I hope your channel grows to what it should be. Even though I didn't play overwatch 1 too much the clips at the end really made me remember the weird and wacky strats that I would pull off with my friends.
I think only cure for overwatch is a 6v6 open queue, rather then a role queue format. The open queue format will give players more agency, and the devs will find it easier to balance the heroes, since your not trying to balance them in a role. The current state of overwatch sucks. When one tank is nerfed, another comes into the meta. It's an never-ending cycle of nerfs and buffs, and it becomes exhausting.
Blizzard tried to sell "less is more" and people arent taking that bs anymore.
Honestly I think overwatch should have upgrade paths like gigantic. that way it can change how each character can play and help create different playstyles. For example you talked about Baptiste with his aoe heals. What if at certain points of the game he could choose an upgrade path where he becomes single target however in exchange he heals for more and a slight speed boost upon heal which doesn't stack. His passive jump could have an upgrade where its more horizontal instead of vertical that way he can potentially work with dive? Or his immortality field functions differently where its could give temporary armour. Idk I am just spit balling ideas here. But what I think could be cool about this type of context could be that the upgrades are time based. meaning that if you constantly switch you will be punished because you did not commit to one hero that way technically you get number crept by the enemy supports because they sat on mercy all game. This isn't very well thought out just an initial idea wanted to hear your opinion.
seems like a nightmare to balance
You just described the awesome PVE which they scrapped already because it's impossible to balance :(
I stopped for a few years in the middle but I played from beta to now otherwise and it's just. Soulless and worse and I was SO excited for pve and then they just got rid of it. There's nothing that's exciting or creative about it anymore!!! It's so sad. Overwatch 1 had so much more soul and excitement even when it was unbalanced
I loved being a support main in open queue, normally I'd play my role but if we needed a dps, there was sombra, mei, soldier, and others for me. If we needed tank, I could play orisa, dva, zarya. So many combos just cant be done anymore due to role lock and 5v5. I enjoyed tank more as a support player in 6v6, no fun being the only punching bag in 5v5
I hear nothing but facts from you. You earned my subscription, keep up the great videos man!
My red flag (I never really was like super on OW's side, to begin with. ) was when they changed Mccree's name. Also extended is how some of the animations they've made were no longer accurate to how characters interact with the world, like Hanzo
Hearing talk of Muselk and overwatch 1..brings me back to the 30-40 minute long loot box opening videos many people did where it was just groups of friends bsing for the entire time and just having fun even doing that. That..energy just isn't here anymore. I've been playing ow1 since launch, and now here I am, ass end of season 10, quit comp this season. Doesn't bring me enjoyment anymore, and I pretty much just get on to finish the pass now. I think I'm finally just getting over the game itself. Because it's not how it was, and it's not as fun to me now.
Even though I barely play overwatch as much as I used too, I hope one day overwatch comes back better then whatever this 5v5 and boring reworks and maybe they bring back some old campaign missions? that could be nice but I mean it’s just a thought and there’s more to be done of course, doesn’t hurt to hope though
overwatches prime was when there were no hero limits and no competitive mode and the game was just goofy fun. that only lasted about a year before they ruined everything. they could have been team fortress 3, instead they made something somehow less fun than a 17 year old game being actively murdered by bot hosters with a "dev team" who hasnt released a major update since the first year of overwatch. (#fixtf2) (also god save overwatch)
Good video. Mostly commenting to boost your engagement metrics
They need: ⚠🔥
1 ) Start banning smurfing
2) Remove the handicap matchmaking system and the 50/50 win rate system. Just made pool of players within 700Sr and randomly pick 12 players. NO other MATH!!
3) Remove DPS healing
4 ) Remove half of CC
5 ) Remove Sombra
6 ) Bring back 6vs6 and disable two shield tanks in one team ( so no double shields meta )
7 ) Ban all bronze to GM streamers
8 ) Rework moira to actuall skill hero
9) Nerf flankers
10 )Nerf nade. About 30 %
11) every new map must have something interesting that makes the gameplay special. Environmental stuff. Jump pads, weather, worm holes and so on.
12 ) Delete flashpoint.
13) DPS players complaining that they are not being healed. Add to the public match stats how many heal who got from healers
14) Nerf hyper mobility. Maybe extend cooldowns of jumps/teleports. Positioning is important. But has been absolutely negated by the fact that everyone has an escape button.
This should have all been resolved a long time ago. But then the developers would have to stop working on $40 skins and start playing their game.
that ending... man it made me smile. i miss that feeling. they really need to either wipe the slate clean, or fix this game to what it once was. overwatch 2 was a failure.
It died when they gave up on the dope animations
0:01 WTF DESTINY MUSIC??
Never knew me and overwatch had so much alike...
2:53 no they're only scrapping the COOP version of hero mastery, only the tower defense mode that nobody played lmao unlucky misunderstanding
Considering they laid off PvE team that was making the mastery courses for the heroes, I doubt we'll get any more of those either. So while the SP ones aren't scrapped, they're cancelled, like everything in OW2.
@@Zhohan- yeah lol he just got it wrong cause they didn't say that but ur probably right
I still think if they just bring back 6v6, nerf the damage a bit and the game will be somewhat enjoyable again. I miss having fun in this game and now it's just become competitive quick play.
Small correction: blizzard cancelled development on the Hero Mastery Gauntlet PvE mode, NOT the Hero Gauntlet missions as a whole
Really not a fan of the idea of building things from the ground up. Yeah hero balance won't solve everything but I don't personally feel the gameplay itself needs to be remade entirely. When it comes to hero balance I feel like its obvious what they need to do for a lot of players, 6v6, healthy hero philosophy like heroes having weaknesses and fair skill to value ratio or whatever, fix/remove immortalities etc, but yeah there does prolly need to be more done too. An overwatch classic that brings back the majority of overwatch one when it comes to mechanics like cards after matches, with also the hero balance stuff mentioned before, is what I would want. I do also wonder if they even have enough money and workers available to team 4 to keep doing or do anymore origin stories animated shorts etc, same with skins considering venture has no legendries. Idk, I hope something changes as more people leave to go play other hero shooters or leave just because they're sick of blizzards shit. it is scary tho to think the potential of overwatch will probably never be reached considering they've fumbled this game for so many years.
good video tho, just wanted to state my thoughts as well
scratte ice age 3 tik tok edit mmmm i'm in love
I don't even think an OW3 would save the game. This is because I truly do feel as though OW has fundamental balance and hero-design issues which has only become more apparent with the switch to 5v5. 6v6 was absolutely saveable and was nowhere near as awful and dull as OW2 feels but there were still some problems that needed to be addressed badly. To me blizzard got way too confident in their hero designs leading to heroes and abilities that generally weren't great for the game albiet felt amazing to play. In particualy, bap, and sigma were the two main contributors to double shield and this was simply because their kits were over-tuned. Baps amazing AOE healing (which he has TWO abilities to do that) combined with lamp and Sig with his crazy ability uptime made breaking through chokes almost impossible. For the most part I believe blizzard is amazing when it comes character design (Doom being one of my favorites) but man has that attention to detail only gotten worse and based on what we've seen will probably continue to. For every JQ/Ram, we get a mauga, kiriko, WifeLeaver, and sojourn (to an extent, I just think her railcannon would be better if had a higher uptime and lower damage making it more of a clean-up ability instead of a pocket sniper). Generally, I do love the game, I've been here since launch and would pay a good amount just to experience the original game once again.However, I don't think team 4 has the ability to properly balance the game even if we go back to 6v6 and that's a feels bad. BTW do yall remember when we used to look forward to in-game events? Now the games another APEX clone where events are basically store updates with a theme and little to nothing else.
I just recently realized the level of which the OW community gets screwed at every turm. I picked up Apex recently just to mess around on an then found out that they had a colab event recently...with another video game. Ok I thought, thats cra WTF DO YOU MEAN THE COLAB GAME MODE WAS FINAL FANTASY 7. Not only could you get themed skins from what was my fav game as a kid, the game mode let you equip magic materia THAT YOU COULD SEE ON THE CHARACTER MODELS an created a cloud bustersword weapon you could find with it's own combat system around it. OW got Cowbow bebop skins for a week an half.
Then there was the story. Holy moly. They release lil story/lore snippets CONSTNLY. And in retrospect... it's made me realize just what OW really is. It's an abusive relationship. SOmething you thought you knew, but really were jus filling in the blanks with what you wanted to see. We all kept hope because they said they'd change, but never do. Etc.
With so many free games coming out, even if they aren't shooters, I think Overwatch will suffer if don't fix itself. 5v5 is so boring, sombra's rework still makes her frustrating to play, Cass grande is arguably more frustrating than flash bang, and there's so much more problems like they buffing brig non-stop, like why?
despite all of what u said being true i still really like the game, idk there's nothing quite like it
I'm more excited to go to work than to play OW hahahha🤣
apex arc?
Role queue was the death of this game.
Its fine in Competitive, gives the game much needed Structure
But i dont know why they enforced it in Quick Play, thats the dumb decision
For bronzes maybe
@@AntivenomOW If you're in Diamond and you need to be told what character to play, you are in bronze spiritually.
@@PlatinumAltaria You‘re a great example of why low ranks shouldn‘t have a say in what‘s good for the game and what‘s "the death" of it
@@AntivenomOW Mate you don't know my rank, you're just coping.
This did not require an entire video in 2024. We know. We all know. Coldest of takes, wakest of research
imagine beeing heroes 3 not the ubi one :D
It's not impossible. Don't make excuses for them. The issues were invincibility caused by support and certain self healing abilities. Take those away and the game was fine. Instead they took away a tank. Morons.
I'd rather play an old game than a game made by the CCP.
Skill issue
i twas dead when ov released and accepted woke gamers that wanted cod it started with console degeneracy ended with fetish gaming
The fuck you talking about brother
culture war brain-rot. you are an intellectual zombie
6 v 6 and open Q is not really worth it anymore with the new heros. Back then it was cool yes. But we have now so many heros with broken abilitys that open Q would be hell and 2 tanks per team would just make the dps useless again. Imagine a team with 2-3 kirikos and 2-3 tanks per team, you can tell me what you want but that aint sounding fun.
There's already a 6v6 code that's made numerous balance changes and people have been loving it.
I dont get it, people hate on Moira coz she's too easy but then she isnt exactly game breaking nor best in her role
Play open que
awesome more doomposting on my feed
you can always watch Flats or Questron saying that ''we are so back!1!11" in the next update tho :D
first
It’s always the low rank players who say they know how to play the game, but somehow never rank up, that mysteriously no longer enjoy playing the game
they're the laziest devs with so much ego they think its still 2016 goty. Instead of working on the game they're busy adding inclusivity lmao. It takes team 4 months to do anything.
I had the hope they make a dva meka racing mode🥲