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Never fall for the people saying "but what if we got the face eating leopards on OUR side?" Then they would eat our faces, Susan. You don't compromise on the "don't eat faces" front.
"Susan, ever heard of the expression 'Leopards don't change their spots'?"
But have you actually taken the time to listen to the leopards, and why they eat faces? You need to give them the same empathy and consideration as the people who don't want their faces eaten, and when you do, you'll realize that compromise is the best way, and surely we can convince the leopards to only eat the right sort of faces. The faces that deserve to be eaten. If you'll just listen.....
@@fullmentaljacket4159 True, true. For too long the left has focused on merely helping people who got their faces eaten by leopards, and tried to get rid of the face eating leopards, and look where that's gotten us. Maybe it's time to reevaluate our stances on having faces eaten. I mean when you think about it, if you stop the leopards from eating faces then the leopards will go hungry! How can we call ourselves the tolerant left if we can't tolerate a little face eating?!
@@fullmentaljacket4159giving emphathy and consideration is not equal to giving the reason and letting them wat your face out of moeality ideals and pity.
Studying the reasons behind incel behaviour, for example, doesn't mean the the people affected by their actions must accomodate them and hope for the best.
"So much for the tolerant left" smh my head
There are reasons why minority groups that are barred from active participation tend to side with anarchistic and communistic movements. They allow them to be the people they are, show that change is possible, and that things can be better. Throwing away that kind of base is a great way to feed the ratchet effect, the scale never goes towards more fair systems, only further into the authoritarian and aristocratic.
Which minority groups are barred from active participation?
@@Sarcasticronwell for some examples people convicted of a felony lose the right to vote in many US states, and the prison system is used primarily to target black and brown individuals, making it so a major portion of black and brown individuals are barred from participating in the voting process. In addition, the electoral college along with gerrymandering is often used to make the votes of minorities count for much less, effectively barring their participation by making their contribution insignificant. The electoral college and gerrymandering make their effects most well known in cities where minority populations are often large. In addition, minority politicians have been barred from participation, such as Zooey Zephyr, Justin Jones and Justin Pearson. This is a handful of examples and there are more. The important thing to understand is this barring from participation is never explicit, but nevertheless exists.
@@terpsidance. it's also true when the barring ~is~ explicit (like it's not a coincidence so many civil rights activists have been communists) but yeah, systemic repression takes many forms, and the people who face it understand that system needs to be fundamentally changed. And those who argue about excluding them are basically trying to maintain that system
First they came for $(insert easily targeted minority) and we said "not today motherfucker".
And the world was a better place.
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I don't think you understand what sarcasm is or how to use it @@Sarcasticron.
i love how ana says "the trans movement doesn't use the same strategies as the original civil rights movement did" as a derogatory thing like yes ana we have computers in our pockets now society in general has changed somewhat in the past half a century
Also, in the era with Just Stop Oil and other eco activists whose entire MO seems to be 'disrupt the public as much as possible and damn the consequences and optics', the tactics of older civil rights activists like parades and organized demonstrations are just... NOT looked at as favorably by Average Joe Shmoe right now. Combo'd with the rising concern of police violence atop that, and, yeah. It's understandable that the tactica changes and maneuvers with the new tech.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 do you know anything about the civil rights movement? they were really not at all looked upon favourably even by people who would say they agreed with their ideas because they were seen as publicly disruptive and 'going about it the wrong way' and most of their support came from how often they were FUCKING MURDERED in really horrific ways that upset a lot of people. it is insane to me to see you here acting as if the police have gotten worse just because you personally have started paying attention to police violence and that demonstrations were ever looked upon favourably by anyone, at all, ever. demonstrations have always been disruptive things that piss off people on your side because people are naturally upset more by things disrupting their way of life and making a lot more noise than things continuing as usual which is what you know and comfortable and not something you have to think about. i think it is extremely short sighted and ahistorical and ceding an insane amount of ground to the right to claim demonstrations have only recently become disruptive because of the radical left and police have only recently become violent making it impossible to change things through political action
to elaborate on something i might not have made clear, when civil rights protesters were murdered people looked on that in horror and although they found civil rights people to be disruptive and annoying, although they were accused by both the left and right (though naturally more often by the right but the left wasn't immune) of stoking racial tensions and cynically profiting off such things, people ultimately felt as though the murderers were worse and it changed public opinion in favour of them more effectively than their protests that didn't get ugly through confrontation with the police and klansmen, who used to work even more closely and be even more not really actually different people than they are today where 1/10th of people in the military or in the police have been estimated to have far right political opinions and where the far right is joining these organisations to get trained in how to use lethal force
@@gratuitouslurking8610 except the tactics haven't actually changed, nor have the shitty attitudes towards protests. They've been saying public demonstrations hurt the movement the entire time. I'd refer you to Gallup's "Protests Seen as Harming Civil Rights Movement in the '60s" by RJ Reinhold (pub Jan 2019) for their historic polling stats as a prime example of how nothing changes.
The biggest benefit new technologies have given us is greater ease to organise, while at the same time making it easier to surveil activists. If anything we've gotten tamer, a Suffragette namely Mary Leigh literally threw an axe at the UK PM's head (she struck the Irish nationalist leader instead non-fatally), bombed a theatre, and in 1914 another Suffragette vandalised the Rokeby Venus with a knife.
And the inevitable "don't do it that way" continues.
“this is a distraction!” = “I don’t really care about those people tbh”
I see it as symptom treatment rather than addressing the root cause. But I believe economics drives the social environment. Of course it's a back and forth, but I think mainly the economic system is the root cause here. We should address inequality for specific minority groups yes. But a lot of different minority groups face inequality. Which one do we focus on. And then we address it, yay. But the underlying system that allows for this inequality is still in place so new minority groups will form, that then are discriminated against. This, in my opinion, is what was addressed there, with it being distracting and dividing. And I totally agree with that.
Mildred on trying to fight oppression without being intersectional:
"You're not dismantling an oppressive structure; you're just asking for permission to be let into the oppressing group."
Mildred is right in that regard, but to build off how unserious people like that are existing in a system that oppresses people inherently ends up oppressing those at the top and bottom of the system. Patriarchy hurts men, capitalism hurts the capitalists ect. It's classic Orwell's shooting an elephant.
It's not even permission being *asked,* it's permission being *offered.* It's a devil's bargain, "You stop trying to change the world, and we'll let you borrow a little of our power." It's how they get a few people from groups they nominally oppress to become complicit in the oppression of others. Or as Corey Robin noted, it's always easier to get people to agree to you having power over them when you can offer them power over someone else in exchange.
Yeah, abolish the left, alright!
_AND LET BIOPOLITICS RISE FROM THE ASHES AND BRING FORTH A SOLARPUNK FUTURE FOR ALL_
Truth!
i'd like to think that if trans people were socially accepted the vast majority wouldn't immediately become rabid anti-communists like every other cringe 4chan NEET or computer toucher on the internet but i'm not really seeing any evidence to the contrary...
It's not a bad thing to outgrow people you admired as a kid, but it is bittersweet to learn, grow, and realize that some of the people who helped you get started are stagnating, or even actively moving backwards. Thanks for making this video, it was helpful and insightful.
They are very obviously moving backward after being swayed by far right propaganda. That is how this current arc even started, Ana Kasparian was reading far right garbage on twitter and was captivated.
Class reductionism is a hell of a drug.
@@Malidala I half-think it’s more likely she was swayed by cash, but as Mildred said: it’s hard to tell.
@@manderly33 I think it's both for her. She was always a bit of a reactionary. She just used to get mad at the unjust premises instead of making up her own premises or buying conservative ones.
Though that's _the_ problem with being a reactionary: She just _reacts,_ and seldom _thinks_ to get to her conclusions. Thusly, all it took was getting pissed off enough at something stupid like _all_ reactionaries eventually do... and now she's of course chumming up to people who's _entire MO_ is coddling reactionaries.
Completely and utterly unsurprising where she's going with how she's acted for years. If anything, I'm kinda' surprised it's taken this long.
Agreed, Ana is ridiculously petulant.
“One time I saw a black woman buy a lobster with a food stamp.”
The new hit single from Anthony Oliver.
Yeah man I "loved" that he clarified that the song is about Republicans in addition to welfare queens and overweight people. (I didnt love it, fuck that guy)
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I know Mildo was talking about TYT with this video but honestly his points are just as applicable to white leftists who scold other leftists for scrutinizing oliver anthony
Oh no a person bought something healthier than Doritos. Side note those giant sea bugs used to be poor people and prisoner food
"86% of low-income American households have a refrigerator, 90% have a microwave."
- Bill O'Reilly's Greatest Hits, Track 3: "Welfare Queens On Easy Street"
Imagine thinking the response to a overton window shifting dangerously to the far right is to just turn the whole window into a slip-n-slide 🙄
I’m enjoying this visual.
Hold my soy.
I trust the far right more than the Pseudo left
Isn’t Mildred saying that you should organize outside the overton window rather than construct a slip-n-slide? I mean how have the far right managed to shift the window in the first place?
Yeah, abolish the left, allright!
_AND LET BIOPOLITICS RISE FROM THE ASHES AND BRING FORTH A SOLARPUNK FUTURE FOR ALL_
The Left 🤝 The Right = Abolish the Left 😅 but fr, abolish the right while we're at
this is true multipolarity folks
Thanks for commenting, I never saw your channel before, but you got yourself another sub.
Simplifying political discourse to a 1 dimensional line was a mistake
The Right 🤝 The Left: “I hate leftists”
Hey its big body foreign.
The white working class thing is funny because the people who say it are invariably bourgeois af. They imagine that the working class is what it was like 100 years ago, Irish and Italians working at the dock and the steel mill. Those people still exist but they’re a tiny fraction of the modern proletariat and these people would know that if they had any friends who made less than $175k a year lol
And the most ironic thing is that those same light-skinned immigrants were themselves excluded from the social category of “white” for some time.
@@acmhfmggru Spoken like someone who doesn’t know that clinics exist
I find it funny because it completely ignores the existence of the union movement
Thank you for this! I’m so tired of self-proclaimed “pragmatists” shaming me for putting pronouns in my bio and gently encouraging others to do the same because it “alienates the common man”. Like, what a weirdly conformist bar for morality to base it on what you assume others find acceptable; I don’t go around using racial slurs to make racists feel at ease. So, why would I advocate for things I disagree with or abandon strongly held principles, simply because someone else has a problem with them?
The only thing that alienates me about pronouns is the insistence on putting both the subject and object pronoun. Like, if you use "he", you will clearly also use "him." But that's just the grammar nut in me :p
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You would think that but there are people that go by he/them or she/them. But yes, under typical circumstances he or she is enough.
@@dr.cheeze5382 Seriously?
Look, saying "he/they", as in you can you either he/him or they/them is fine. But demanding that people use two different pronoun for subject and object is like your trying to get people to get confused and get it wrong so you can call them out and lord over them. Why else would you make thing this hard for people? And what about possesive pronoun? Do I use his or their in that case?
No is saying this though. If people list their pronouns with dashes (e.g. "she/they/it") it always means "these are the ones you can use for me" and nothing else. You're literally making up a person to get mad at them.
@@uuneya youve never heard the "stating your name and pronouns restricts our freedom of speech" argument?
Excellent video.
Not only is it true that none of us will be free until we are all free, but any step toward freedom for any disadvantaged person is a step for freedom for the rest of us. This is why we need to show up for each other. I'm a gay white trans man and a US citizen. I am invested in showing up for Black people. For immigrants. For disabled folks. Because our struggles, and our freedom, are inextricably linked.
And yet some people fighting for Black liberation are in agreement with the shithead at 12:57 in being anti-miscegenation. How do you reconcile that?
If the strategy you're pursuing for your goals is also being given to you by people opposing your goals freely, that means it's probably not the goodest idea.
It's also just silly nonsense. Ask "are you racist" to the leader of the Klan and he'll tell you "no". Asking "do you support equal rights to trans people" to a Trump supporter is on the same level. It's not a meaningful question, and you don't get a meaningful answer.
@@TiagoMorbusSa That's a good reminder I have to screencap an interview they did with the KKK leader in thr 70's. It's got the guy with the hood and everything and he's going "it depends on what you mean by 'racist'".
@@BATCHARRO yeah, I'm thinking of stuff like that precisely.
This, a million times! I always see people saying stuff like "The Left is doing this and that wrong" and I'm like "why the hell would we listen to the people who want us to fail???"
That's as ridiculous as the idea of a football team having their opponent write their playbook. It's never made any sense to me as an argument or something that should even be considered.
every time i hear a "leftist unity" complaint i just point out that different left wing ideologies ALREADY collaborate when we have mutual goals, because when a project or a protest comes up we each choose whether or not to take part individually by whether we think it is helpful
THIS. 11:38 As a fat cis woman who developed pretty noticeable symptoms of PCOS (like, I grow sparse facial hair and have small b00bs, despite my weight), this is EXACTLY why I feel safer and less self-conscious about how I look in queer-friendly spaces with trans/genderqueer people. I'm not trans, but the trans/genderqueer community's rejection of gender binary and gendered-beauty-based ideas of how I should look, have helped me accept how I look. Meanwhile, transphobes have actually bullied me in the past year. Transphobia can and does affect cis people too.
Trans people deserve dignity and respect, full stop. I'm willing to fight for that reason alone. But cis people def need to think on the bigger picture, too. Bigots don't stop. Bigots are never satisfied. And, like Thought Slime has so driven home here, it's not necessary or moral to sacrifice certain vulnerable groups of people in the hopes that bigots will be satisfied, somehow.
transmisogyny truly is just "acceptable" misogyny. "How can I hate women!? They are not even women!", which is of course a wrong statement but that's the controversial opinion they hide behind in order to enforce misogynistic gender norms through trans women as a proxy. Every time they accuse a trans woman of not being "woman enough" in some way shape or form, they're also reinforcing that invisible line that cis women need to stay inside. Trans women are simply the latest group of women that are being made an example of in order to keep women as a group oppressed. It's saying "You don't want to be treated like this, right? Better start obeying the rules we're laying down!". In the past it was black women, lesbians, and sex workers. It still is but the spotlight has shifted to the latest target.
I'm an ace woman, and I occasionally have to remind people that the far right is already putting out anti-ace propaganda even though, by definition, we're not doing anything they're SUPPOSED to care about. I fight for trans rights both because I care about trans people and because I know I'm next on the chopping block if we lose. I don't understand how people fail to understand this.
The cis women who have thrown themselves wholeheartedly into opposing the existence of trans people, not realizing that these EXACT FUCKING TACTICS are being used to take away their rights, would be sad if they weren’t so dangerous.
I find it hilarious that 3 comments have been hidden under this.
the bigots just can't help but prove you right.
YOU. Should also be accepted with dignity. Thank you for being cool
I had to put this down for a while. My father says he is a socialist. And his economic policies are leftist. BUT he won’t support democratic candidates because he thinks trans people are icky.
This is a huge reason we are estranged. I’m non-binary. He has said trans people are delusional and likens them to criminals. And, when challenged, he shuts down discussion by either blocking the person questioning (like me) or if that fails going and pouting and whining about free speech.
So, this one kinda hurt.
How can one be an effective socialist when demonizing the “criminal”?? Like… even if being trans was criminal (in some places it is…) or even if being trans/gay/queer was a mental illness, the only socialist approach to “helping” trans people would be giving them support and equal access to care. Not social ostricization and hate! (I’m trans/enby with an unsupportive family too btw so I Get the struggle)
Exactly it always goes back to crying 'wrong think'
Cuz you told them they're wrong and a douchebag
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What you said there reminded me of this one time I had an online argument with some "leftist" (who might be a TERF) and at the end of the argument, she misgendered me and said that my pronouns were "trash/can" because I'm an enby who supports and listens to Marilyn Manson.
It's always worse when it's someone you know.
Would n't sting of someone starting saying workers are too stupid to understand power structures when it's just some guy on the street picking fights with anyone who disagrees with him, but when that person is your cousin's aunt, while a scientist still thinks that communes are too "idealistic" to exist or be constructed by people despite communes being very real, hurts so much more.
I'm British and I've got to hand it to you, you're fucking nailing that Keir Starmer impersonation.
Have you watched Trash Future podcast?
Lol, a day after Rachel Reeves ruled out taxing rich people a bit more. Becouse y'know, they've got no transformative policies to spend that on anyway, so may as well just let the rich keep buying houses with it.
Also British and I thought exactly the same. And to the other comment here, I love trashfuture so much too
Edit: sub in "white working class" with "red wall voters" here
I'm not British (I'm Canadian) but good damn do I love Trashfuture. Hell, everything Alice is in is great.
From what I've observed and my own personal experiences, the people most likely to argue that we need to abandon certain positions in order to appeal to "the working class/broader population/normies/etc." are people who hyperfixate on elections and lobbying as the primary means of achieving leftist goals. When your understanding of what and how the average person thinks is extrapolated from the attitudes of the kind of people who mainly engage with politics in those specific ways, it's very easy to develop a very distorted view of the working class and even become very bitter and jaded towards them based on that faulty perception.
Edit: Also, approaching politics in this way makes it very easy to conceptualize leftist goals as a set of specific policy proposals that can be written into law and implemented independently of each other, rather than as interconnected components of a much bigger-picture goal of dismantling all forms of oppression.
all of this. I went through a super embarrassing phase of thinking like this in my late teens. what got me out of it was actually getting out into the world more and realizing most people don't think like those pundits focused on winning elections say they do. also I starting reading theory and engaging with politics away from the news cycle and online pundits
Interesting point.
This might be talking about me, so I'm curious, and maybe I'm just a big dumb dumb after all. I can think of elections, lobbying, organizing/unions, protesting, distributing literature, campaigning, etc. and violence. I think the last one is more counterproductive than some people realize, and tend to push back on people who advocate for it, because I think it creates opportunities for extremely reactionary counter pushes due to the nature of how people tend to organize around doing violence, but the others I think are good, are you suggesting some other lens exists where I should look at politics as something other than attempting to change policies through these sorts of channels? I'm open to being told I'm the big dumb.
@@mind_onionI mean stonewall turned out pretty well if my memory serves
@@skylordguy6861 so... the answer to my question is the lens I'm not seeing is indeed violence, and that I should stop pushing back against people using violence for the change they want because one time it turned out pretty well you guess? Am I understanding you correctly?
Honestly, this makes a lot of sense. "The left" and "the right" are umbrella terms used to roughly correlate large groups with very diverse beliefs and treating them like two distinct singular entities turns the entire process of politics into a soccer game where political minorities are the ball.
I hate the sportsball politics we have.
Similar to the misconception about Antifa
Conceptually speaking, that wording (regarding minorities) appears pretty much VERBATIM in one of Innuendo Studios' videos. 😉
@@mattpluzhnikov519 It does? That’s probably where I picked it up, then!
Undergeneralization can be problematic, just like overgeneralization. Do you believe dominator hierarchies, social structures of power are created, can be unmade, and tgat society can be done differently and better? That's "the left." Do you believe dominator hierarchies are natural and, in principle, good? You're on "the right." These categories are real ans meaningful, despite all of the detail and diversity.
It's funny cause I work I construction in one of the most conservative states in the US and it's shocking how much people will roll with things if you just... do it. If youre AMAB and experimenting (like me), grow out your hair, paint your nails, talk about changing your name, wear fem clothes; you'll get, at most, extremely minor pushback from like 99% of people. Most won't say shit as long as you just, idk, talk to them like normal human beings. The "trans issue" is only a lightning rod because it's in the powerful's interest thay it is, most people are shockingly cool with it
It's gotten better. 40 years ago, you could have run into some really deep shit. But my generation started embracing male singers who wore makeup, heels, ruffles, skirts, and all that business as sexy. It became part of the conversation on gender roles. There's a lot to do, but what you discuss is definitely a result of progress I'm very glad to see continued onward. And yes, people like you who are clearly just folks who do it help a TON. You're an average person to your co-workers. You're not some ideological pseudo-golem dancing on a picture of the Pope in a San Francisco Pride parade.
"First they came for the trans people and I did nothing as I was not trans and then everything worked out just fine"
I'm sure that's how the poem will go
I have seen bigots use that phrase unironically themselves somehow.
@@Amitlu For anything. any parody we could think of is something these people unironically believe.
Yup the right is Poe's law these days. A simple proposal would have the ancaps going 'great idea'.
The rest of the poem goes..
Because trans people armed themselves and trained hard and so did their allies.
given rw parties around the globe are on their way to base their next election campaign on this wholly american concept you are likely right, and the worst part the only viable alternative is B-r-i-c-k-s, well hopefully russia goes down and becomes less relevant for bricks
Famously, people are more likely to move to your side if you never challenge their beliefs at all
Well yeah. You have successfully moved to their side then. I hope it's a good one but I can't say I expect it!
I mean, you aren't challenging their beliefs by ostracising them, either. I'm not saying that you, in particular, have to be the one to challenge the beliefs of those who aren't as far Left, but just that it's counterproductive to advocate for gatekeeping.
@ I would say the likelihood of changing someone’s mind, especially in one interaction, especially online, is essentially nil. I think I’ve accomplished it once. That kind of work can be done in meat space with people you know or can interact with over a long period of time.
Someone has to want it for it to happen; I am certainly not going to waste my precious life trying to gently convince a hysterical bigot, and I don’t think electing not to is “ostracizing” either. Ostracizing requires a group effort and is a lot more fucking likely to be experienced by, say, a trans person than someone who hates trans people.
If someone is completely unwilling to examine their priors or even consider that they might be racist (they are) then they sure as shit need to be gatekept.
@ Some level of gatekeeping is necessary though. We don't want leftist spaces to become hostile to the people they're supposed to uplift (ie the oppressed and marginalized minorities within society)
@@ravenfrancis1476 hey, neat point, but also irrelevant, as I've advocated no such thing.
To put my point more clearly:
It's easier to challenge and persuade another to change their ideals for the better when they're already in 85% agreement with oneself, than if they're only in 50% agreement. Wanting only 100% agreement, at all times, isn't how political movements make positive systemic changes; it's how social cliques decide who gets to sit at their lunch table.
If one doesn't have the energy for a political movement, and would rather be part of a social clique, that's fine, but it would be best if one's honest about what one is looking to be a part of. A social clique may define itself with certain political ideals, but that doesn't make it identical to the political movement. These two things aren't the same; the clique is merely aligned with the movement.
Honestly, these days, whenever I feel compelled to tell someone my political position, I say "first and foremost, I'm a collectivist. I believe that it's better for the avarage selfish person to take on obligations in exchange for living in a society of mutual support, than it is for them to live in a society where they are free to fuck over everyone else as much as they like, but everyone else is allowed to do the same for them." and then they usually go" So you want to revive the soviet union? Don't you know how poorly that went?" or something along those lines.
Sadly a good imagination is hard to come by.
Yeah people really have no idea what the Soviet Union was. It was state-capitalism
They're right wing. Rational thought isn't their strong suit.
@DeathnoteBB the irony in your comment is palpable. Stop being politically and historically illiterate and read some political/economic theory books. And not capitalist bootlicking ones.
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I met a 'white working class' lib transphobe and literally all it took to change his mind was gently pushing back on the logic of the stuff he'd been parroting and pointing out that it's coming from people who are not actually involved with the issue. The next week he had binged Contrapoints videos and had a much better stance on the issue. Like I doubt he's 100% transphobia free but he literally went from repeating stuff you'd hear on Prager U to stanning Contrapoints just with the gentlest of pushback (it was a workplace situation so it wouldn't have been wise to get as confrontational as I wanted). It really isn't that hard to get people to overlook prejudice they've unwittingly absorbed from the zeitgeist because that shit is paper thin and riddled with holes. It's the oft-derided "I wasn't a feminist until I had a daughter" thing, where they're perpetuating prejudice because they've literally never had to think about it before. It's like when your uncle tells you some bullshit when you're a kid and it's not until you say it out loud in college and everyone stares at you that you realize you only believed it for 15 years because you never interrogated it.
What I'm getting at is: people aren't nearly as stupid and stubborn as collaborators want you to think. It is possible to change minds on even the most controversial of topics. Not everyone is a rabid Alex Jones supporter who'll twist themselves into pretzels to hold onto their conspiracy theories and bigotry. And for those who won't change their minds? We're better off without them.
I had this with a family member. She was getting a bit terfy to the point where I didn't want to overlook it, and when she made some comment about trans women being in women's spaces, I just gently disagreed and we discussed the contradictions with that idea (It's not really happening, if it were the problem would be cis men, not trans women etc) and she's not parroting dumb terf stuff anymore. People on the fringes of this stuff, and even some of the people suckered into it, aren't stupid. It enrages me that Anna and Cenk seem to think they are.
THIS, 100x THIS!!!
I have changed *so many* minds in my lifetime. Not because I am particularly smart or good at debating (though I do make it a point to learn what the right is thinking, and I listen to smarter people than me for good rebuttals), but because I talk to people who seem like they have some point of contact with me (could be as little as "they like me") and push back against their ideas. I once pulled a person out of homophobia by simply pointing out that it was very unfair to deny people's human rights just because you think men having sex with other men is gross. Perhaps also interrogate why you think it's gross, but if you really can't get over that, that's fine, I am not trying to police your feelings or tastes -- but make sure you don't oppress and marginalize people just because you think one of the things they do in their lives is gross. I think coffee is gross, and I don't like the way it makes people's breath smell -- but that doesn't mean I advocate for outlawing coffee or deny people their ability to walk the world freely as coffee-lovers. It took literally 5 minutes to turn this person away from homophobic actions (if not beliefs) and voting habits.
Now, there are absolutely people we will never turn around, and there are times when engaging with some of the most vitriolic haters is just a waste of time. But on a personal level, talking to friends and colleagues can be a great way to move them away from bigoted beliefs, and we, in turn, have to believe we can change them. I mean, look, were the revolutionaries of the past born just innately knowing that socialism was the best way forward? Did every revolutionary even read or understand Das Kapital? No. But these people were capable of grasping new ideas and understanding compassion. That is what we need to focus on.
Jeez, that's cheering to hear. I tried to have that conversation with a relative I've always been distantly fond of and discovered he's a staunch supporter of the philosophy 'Fuck you, got mine'
@@lyndonwesthaven6623 Family's always hardest because if you can't change their minds it hurts you personally, deep down where your childhood memories and dreams are.
I went from being a conservative middle class white woman in her late 30s who wouldn’t have even called myself a feminist and voted for Trump in 2016 to a “far left woke scold socialist” during the pandemic.. turns out that I had never actually had all of the stances of the left laid out for me in a way that wasn’t just what the right said the left believes or half defended half dismissed by centrists who have never read theory. I have only been at this a few years and I can already see where the people that had originally seemed extreme left are being reactionary or have a blind spot or just don’t have a full understanding of how the oppression hierarchy works. People can learn if they want to… especially if it’s during a pandemic and they have many hours to deconstruct ideologies they had never really be taught fully in school… but not defending them properly or half explaining them without actually understanding them is sadly what many lefty media offer.
hey slimedred. couple weeks ago i got kicked out of my home on account of thinking trans people, particularly nb people, are good actually. Was really down about you know, the whole no-family-and-homeless thing, but this video both because of its content and the way it resonated with my plight and simply because you uploaded again really made me feel better. thanks boss o7
Do you need assistance? Help finding a place to stay or anything?
@@terpsidance. Hey! I'm currently doing somewhat alright, just about to sign a lease and sending out job apps like a madman lol. thank you so much for your concern it means a lot to hear it
@@AngleticStay strong, comrade
hope you are doin better now
You doing alright?
The part where youre hurtling into space in frustration about people not simply doing the base level of study about landback before running their mouths is so relatable.
Every day i hurtle into space bc of peoples similarly shit knowledge of intersectionality- oh hey the next topic!
I hear at times discussions about gender or any international issues I will do my best to listen and understand.
But I can say it can be overwhelming at times especially when there is a disagreement that I have to think about so I don't sound like a nimrod.
you know *who* is actually always wanting to talk about identity stuff to the point of being obsessed with it? right-wingers, fascists, and right-wing grifters. they try to make _everything_ they can into a weird culture war to try and shut down meaningful or intellectual discussion.
the topic of identity is so simple that it's baffling how we're forced to rethread it over and over. treating people with respect for their freedom and dignity shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp.
Trans people are one of the smallest minorities. It’s easy to shit on a group that is not only weak and small, but incredibly rare to encounter in public.
It's such NAKED bullshit, too
like, righties will bitch and moan about trans/nonbinary people being confusing, and utterly fail to grasp the use of they/them pronouns... until they talk to a trans woman, and suddenly they're masters of using gender neutral language
they think they're subtle when they keep demanding we explain these basic concepts
Ahh yes. Extremists. Left nor right, its all the same. Just 2 sides of a sh*t smeared coin.
honestly i think most discussion about who we should be in coalition with, what is optically reasonable, what 'the left' needs to do, are useless unless you're talking about a specific campaign and a specific situation (ex: advocating for a specific piece of statewide legislation). It also makes it so much less nebulous and so much more productive.
Seriously. What's going to scare "the normies" will vary; it concentrates the focus so that question can actually get an informed _answer_ (for those with the patience to care); and you can identify what sort of coalition you need to have in mind at all. "The left" may have some identity in political science - maybe - but whether it does or does not, what matters for people doing things is organizing around relevant values for relevant purposes and "the left" rarely if ever answers to that use.
I always use Lil Bills "No one Hungry, No one Homeless" slogan as an example
So if I as a leftist wants to fight corruption, should I or should I not ally with the right who are also concerned about it? Don't think hard, the answer this video gives is 'definitely not'.
@@kishanrai8622Faulty premise. Who on the right is concerned about corruption? What is corruption to them? What salience does that supposed corruption have to them over, say, other issues having to do with human rights?
Your question just isn't one we seriously have to consider if it doesn't register as actually occurring or being relevant when we're out organizing.
And stop using the "left" and the "right." They're useless here.
@@kishanrai8622 The fundamental problem here is the right uses these ~strategic alliances~ as a way to push their own ideology into spaces that aren't right-leaning, and eventually they tend to take over these movements and spaces because they have a lot more money backing them than any left-leaning crowd does. A classic example of this was the anti-globalization movement of the 90s, which eventually came to be dominated by the Infowars types. Similar things happened with Occupy over time, if you want something from the Internet era.
Me being a leftist is inseparable from my ethical and moral duty to defend others against racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism... It's inseperable from my duty to protect others. Mildred, thank you for putting this into words!
Holy shit, you do it because you like to "defend others"?, damn, I just like racists, trnasphobes, etc being affraid
"Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as well as to possess."
Rights of Man
by Thomas Paine
You vegan?
Your Moral Duty is To be Successful & Make world Better plaace by Mastery in your Industry
Not to Defend Mentally Unstable People 😂
@@Jack-tk1is bro just called every minority mentally unstable
"trans people should have equal economic rights, but not to participate equally in sports" yes sports are a career, that people participate in for money because it is their job. i think blanket sanctioning minorities from participating in an entire field of work could potentially infringe on their economic rights maybe
For someone who constantly points out that they're a grifter Mildred sure ends up shooting their grift in the foot by saying what they actually think.
I always feel bad like, when God sings with his creation will not think pieces be part of the choir? I get that it feels, aimless, but I love hearing him talk shrug
Being a good human is bad for doing a capitalism
Okay but it’s very important to note, you’ve achieved master level eyeliner. Seriously, I still can’t line like that and I’ve been makeupping since the late 80’s. Shizz… I’m old 😂 👍
Need a thoughtslime makeup tutorial where he spills tea. Green tea. Or maybe chamomile!
They’re so damn good at that now
As a RUclips consumer who likes to think he's all about the content and not the presentation, I'm ashamed to admit this was the first thing I noticed .
Anyway, it looks FABULOUS and I have a minor case of the jellys.
facts, that eyeliner is sharp enough to cut up the left 😅
Thank you for talking about this genuinely frustrating grifter tactic.
I have Long Covid and I very literally can't afford to organize with people who don't value my health and basic access to the world.
A LOT of people who would consider themselves 'The Left' have told me that I'm not 'Left' because I cannot work, and don't want to ignore the continued exclusion of chronically ill and immuno-compromised people from society.
Disabled and chronically ill people are some of the easiest targets of colonialist capitalism and fascist eugenics movements, and we're cast aside by The Left time and time again.
Leftist movements without Disability Justice will be unsustainable because disability is one form of marginalization that anyone can fall into at any time.
How I got tired of red rose communists on Twit-X: the ableism and ageism. "You're still a worker!" "No, I'm not. I have been unemployed and unemployable for over a decade." "You still count." "What about retired people?" "..."
Its the classic alliance where "the left" ONLY walks towards "the right" but NEVER further left in the spectrum 😀
The humour in this one is amazing.
"Cool left that fucks" had me lolling
They've really learned how to make the political humorus. With the sorry state of American politicals, it's nice to have levity injected every once and a while
Thanks for this, Comrade Mildred. You put into words something that I have felt in my bones since the beginning of the previous decade. 💛
" comrade Mildred" come on now, you must be aware of much of a larper you sound like
@jacobkissinger5540 it invokes a lack of seriousness beyond cosplaying
@@calumdowbigginglew3205 some people use it sincerely, others use it for fun (but not making fun) but the sentiment is still there. Where's the problem!
@@cactustactics Indeed, comrade! That person needs to be re-acquainted with the concept, it would seem.
@@sentientnatalie ✊ I feel like even a little sincerity makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but it's a good thing to work on even if it's just for yourself!
There's a quite popular Brazilian communist historian and RUclipsr who always say something in the lines of "Those who settle for little, end up with nothing"
And he always doubles down on not letting any opressed group out.
Where can I find em, that seems neat!
@@bookbook9495
His channel's called João Carvalho (and that's also his actual name xD )
@@rickydo6572 thanks!
This is an extremely old quote. So old that most people cannot agree on it's origin. It goes back hundreds of years. But it's a good quote, and more people should be saying it.
Oh, he's an MLM? Cool, sometimes it's good to get different perspectives
If someone I'm supposed to "get on my side" takes a position that opposes human rights for LGBT+ people or fighting systemic racism, why the hell would I ever *want* to compromise with someone like that?
19:34 "I think that a more effective strategy for fighting the far right would be not letting them on your side."
Exactly.
I had to pause and rewind to make sure you included the Robin who'd be somewhat cool with killing Batman sometimes
Hearing you go off about the fucking landfills was incredibly cathartic. As a Winnipegger, it has been *infuriating* to hear the WPS weasel their way around searching for MMIW.
Honestly my definition of the left and right of the political spectrum has always been based on its use during the french revolution, either you are on the right and believe power should be held by the king, the church, or now corporations, or, you believe power should be held by the individual (anarchism) or the collective. So its always baffled me when people freely admit that they want to be on the right in terms of politics.
I thought about it in terms of existing authority, which means liberals, who might have bee on the left at the time, would be on the right today.
In the most fundamental distinction is about human/social hierarchy. Whether [x group] should be placed above [y group]. This could be justified through religion (“divine rights”) or through science (or what passes for science, like phrenology).
With the far left being anarchism/communism - a stateless, moneyless, classless society. And fascism/feudalism/imperialism on the far right with absolute hierarchies which must be violently imposed/defended. And this includes all hierarchies whether of class, gender, race, religion or any other grouping/demographic
@@MrGoldfish8 thats more the overton window than a political philosophy tho but it does track pretty well as a way of measuring progressive ideas.
That's a very outmoded definiton unfortunately. Many rightists are actually heavily anti-state and favor decentralization - there are tons of them in the US particularly, in fact I would say they have just as much influence as pro-state/ pro-capitalist rightists.
Libertarians, certain neonazi groups, sovereign citizens, white supremacists who want to secede from the state, those are all common examples of right-wing ideologies that oppose the liberal/democratic system and even sometimes capitalism itself.
Black liberation literally started with sports integration. Trans rights are no different.
"Some of you will die but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make." -Ana Kasparian
TYT suck. They're liberals, not real leftists.
Halfway through the video I was thinking, this reminds me of TYT’s descent, and 10 seconds later TS starts talking about Ana. I was a viewer up til the transphobia started (even tho I’d been watching them slide for awhile, they had been very important to me in the past and it was hard to let go) and it suddenly coalesced my own beliefs for me. I stick w socialist, communist, or anarcho-communist content now.
I knew how naive Cenk could be, and I tried to look past the capitalism-reform nonsense but after a while, it’s too much
I gave up on TYT years ago. Cenk was so terrible with some of his bad takes and being unable to listen or even acknowledge criticisms and counter arguments. His consistent misogyny and womanizing was also really gross. Then there was just the fact that so many correspondences from TYT had dived off the deep end after leaving and transformed into Far Right mouth pieces, like Dave Rubin. I have a sneaking suspicion Ana is heading down that pipeline now, even as we speak, with her growing TERF rhetoric.
Yeah, I'm another past TYT watcher who checked out a bit before the pandemic.
I checked them out once a couple years ago very briefly and I feel like I very quickly clocked them at best as someone who wasn't presenting a coherent, sincere, and well-thought out political position and at worst someone paying lipservice who will absolutely have a breaking point when push come to shove, and being trans myself I felt like that would be one of them. I was spared a phase of being deluded by them into thinking they ever had anything of value to offer, and it's good to see that when they finally fully stepped in it when they couldn't keep up the meager charade any longer so many were just repelled instantly by them.
From my limited perspective they always looked like neo-liberal shills is what I'm saying. They're not "the left", they just like money.
This is incredibly, frustratingly, timely for me. Thank you.
Please stop making me laugh and cry at the same time. It confuses my poor, little brain. Also, I'm glad you took a breather not too long ago, because that resulted in this gem of a video. Please do keep it up!
"Free Speech" means "My Speech shall be free from criticism", "Compromise" means "You shall compromise your position to fit mine". It's all based on deeply rooted authoritarian thinking.
In an authoritarian worldview, empathy, respect, consideration etc. ONLY go from bottom to top, from subordinate to authority.
This way of thinking is so ingrained, that most people don't even realize they have it. Thats why when people talk about protestors like the Last Generation, at least here in europe, its never about weather or not their goals are good or feasible, but how they're being "obstinate" or "not to be taken seriously" or generally foolish. Because they dont respect the social rule that people without power have to be quiet and agreeable towards people with a lot of power.
Same goes for workers criticizing bosses, students critizising teachers, minorities critizising their oppressors etc.
I found myself having to walk away and breathe for a while after hearing Ana's *highly* privileged rant about identity. Like, okay it must be nice to not have to think about such things, but the rest of us don't have that luxury...
Regardless, I came back to the vid, had a laugh, had a cry, had a big think. Overall, fantastic video :)
Yeah. She’s pretty and white passing, so they won’t come for her when in power. The Young Turks were jerks for throwing trans people under the bus to get some hypothetical moderates’ approval.
At worst, Ana would be some fascist general’s concubine.
Yeah, she makes my blood boil too.
😊
Ana is actually awful
This, down to a T. Smash the system and whatnot
So far a pretty chill comments section I must say. The Left is back!
Where did we go?
@@gregmark1688 I haven't the slightest idea.
It's honestly sad. It's been a long time since I watched/agreed with the tyt but like when I was a teen I watched them and it was nice bc like they were the first ppl to tell me that I could just like be gay and that's ok. And then when I realised later that I was trans bc I'd had that experience coming out the closet as trans was easier. And now the tyt are being anti trans it's very frustrating.
I am here for this good video and the extremely chill and civil comment section
13:00 there's a comic strip to this effect, an animal (rabbit?) named "LGB" walks by a caged lion named "fascism" who tells LGB that they can help them get rid of TQ+. LGB let's the lion out, who does indeed maul TQ+... but then IMMEDIATELY mauls LGB too...
Actually a lot of good points made here. It's important to understand the different levels of unity that can exist among different groupings:
Tactical single-issue unity towards the achievement of an immediate shared goal (such as anti-fascist work) is the broadest form of unity that all kinds of socialists, anarchists, and even liberals can work together in.
Next, there is United Front or Coalition-level unity, where organisations which share middle-term goals can unite towards those goals (such as small political organisations coming together to run in an election under one coalition or umbrella group).
And then the highest-level unity is core organisational unity in groups that share the same long-term goals, such as the unity of those in an explicitly communist party or anarchist group. However, even within these groupings, there is also a struggle over different strategies, tactics, lines, etc.
Understanding these different levels of unity can help us to understand who we can work with, when it's appropriate, when it's not, etc.
At no point in any of these forms of unity should progressives of any stripes *ever* unite with fascists or other hardcore reactionaries.
Yeah I think unity among the "left" can only really make sense on specific broader goals, like a united front against fascism.
So I'm currently suffering from some pretty fierce political fatigue, for maybe a year or three now.
And recently I've begun watching friends and family drifting down pathways I find quite disturbing - nationalism, certain flavours of anti-trans sentiment, and a variety of other things. And I'm scared and worried, because I don't know how to help them - plus I know that "When Leftists Go Bad" isn't a world-shattering problem in the way that "97% of people vote against their own interests" is.
I'm not a theory guy (so don't tell me to read "Whomever-ovsky) but I doubt that would help much as they're even less so.
The only thing I'm starting to feel might be a legitimate strategy is to find unity where we can, build solidarity where it can flourish, regardless of which "side" people are on.
If I talk about (for example) worker's rights or the price of food/fuel/housing/etc - there's almost nobody I can't find some common ground with.
But were I to then follow up with "and that's why we have to dismantle all coal power stations, redress the wrongs we've done to our indigenous population, and BTW can we please lay off the "trans groomer" narrative" - well now I've lost them completely.
Dont' get me wrong - I don't want to ally with any flavour of bigot (even for short-term projects), but I worry that there is no other way to get real mass line power onside to fight against the Dread Powers of the 1% ot the 1%
Do any of my comrades here have ideas and suggestions to help me? Either help me become a better leftoid, or just help me survive my existential dread living in a world of misery I feel powerless to change. Both options would be helpful.
@@KristovMars I think it's gravely revealing that you've gotten no responses after two days in a notoriously opinionated progressive RUclips community. Sorry about that.
Look, I won't bury the lead. You are right. About everything. It's a discomfiting truth which is why nobody has either chimed in with their agreement or with the remedies you specifically asked for. Your gut is telling you the truth and you're doing the good work that is possible in the real world where face eating happens all the goddam time.
@KristovMars You say your not a theory guy, but if you don't want to read it yourself, I definitely recommend listening to others who have. We can only get so far on our own intuitions.
And when It comes to right wing radicalisation, in my experience, a thorough conversation has done alot with some of my family members to shift their perspective on things. Keeping conversations strictly to one topic helps alot. It's hard for people to connect a bunch of different systems together to form the big picture like we do because they simply haven't thought about it before and probably don't have the tools to address it right away. So I keep it focused on one topic. Like minimum wage. It's surprising how many people are completely against raising it, even if they are the ones trying to live off the minimum wage. I'll make a complaint about it, they'll follow up with a response about why it's low, why it's OK, etc. Then I'll state my very basic case about wages needing to support a comfortable life, hear theyr reasoning as to "why it's unrealistic", and then most of the rest of the conversation just becomes 20 questions from me. Asking them why they think it should be that way, why it is that way, what is the benefit of it being that way, basically questioning everything they say, just so that they think about it more themselves while trying to make their argument. I find it's usually just that people haven't really thought about alot of things in depth before, and making them do that does way more than just trying to explain it yourself. Seems to work for me on alot of issues. Unless their views are religious based, I have absolutely no idea how to talk to people who take their views on gay rights from the supernatural.
@@Alex_Barbosa Thanks for your words. I do make an effort to get a "digest" of the big and important stuff from trusted sources, but I think I'll need to get a bit more knowledge and understanding if I'm going to be equipped to tackle issues with confidence.
All the best.
I am not interested in being "one of the good ones", I am not interested in appeasing fascists. Not even one time
TYT really outed themselves, and I'm just glad you Slimed them this hard. What a great sub-tweet.
yeah. i always had a feeling about them, but it wasnt that bad. now they came out as fullblown neo-liberal.
It's like, how do you meet someone in the middle when they seek genocide? A light maiming?
I had someone recently tell me that it's 'too much for the common American to understand' that having a body is a raw deal overall and this contributes to trans hate as a political problem
I was just rewatching some old Thought Slime earlier today, thinking, "Man, I wonder when we're gonna get a new Thought Slime!" And here we are!
9:28 straight up encounter this in Canada for decades (longer than that but I caught on eventually). “How can that man scream in the colonial corporate man’s face? They will never win whitey over with that!” “That’s not a scream, that’s a warrior’s declaration, like a US Marine’s huah or a Māori sticking their tongue out at the end of a Haka”
It’s about as frustrating as say, someone saying they want to honour the suffering and dead of genocide and systemic racism that makes Truth and Reconciliation necessary while then going on vacation on the day they helped make instead of attending ceremonies… which they will then go do about a month and a bit later to honour the suffering and dead of other Canadians in the federation. 🤔
Small thing, really good job on subtitles. They are perfect and well timing
I like the part where Mildred told us to have heated arguments in the comment section❤
You're wrong!
@@user-xsn5ozskwg But why do you say I am wrong? Is it because I am icky and gross? No! Those are the things that you are!
@@aprilk141I'll bet you think capybaras are better than Spyro the Dragon 😏
@@terpsidance. Actually all capybaras are Spiro the dragons.
😆😅😂🤣
Please consult the landmark case of Rubber v. Glue for my response @@aprilk141.
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Here is a very chill and civil comment:
I hope you have an awesome day Mildred. This was very well said and way nicer than you had to be.
"the batman issue" 😂
I am sure once you explain the social-economic realities of a billionaire dressing like a bat and punching poor people who commit crimes because of wealth inequalities caused primarily by his company and undiagnosed mental issues. While maybe not get him to help kill Batman, you could probably get Robin on your side to at least hold an intervention and possibly get him some psychiatric help.
@@FakeSchrodingersCati wouldn’t mind Batman so much if he was a champagne socialist, paying his taxes and helping people get a social safety net, universal healthcare and more that directly addresses the material conditions of the wealth, instead he just hides his wealth in orphan charities, mental hospitals for the criminally insane that he never examines why they keep escaping from before they are mentally cared for and PACs that fund tough on crime politicians who go on to become thugs themselves from one bad day. Things go No Man’s Land and what does he do? Helps the cops form a gang (like as if they weren’t already one) and forms his own gang tagging the city… Are we sure Batman isn’t just another billionaire looking for a Elon vs Zuck street fight? Are we sure he’s a good guy or just acceptable as eccentric rather than insane because he is the height of end stage capitalism status quo?
@@FakeSchrodingersCat Pivot from killing Batman to getting therapy for Batman and I know Tim Drake at least does a 180 from absolutely against to completely in favor. The Emotional Support Robin TM knows what he’s about lol.
Thanks, Mil. I am a leftist. I am not The Left.
I am THE LEFT™. Your radical stance is making it so Jethro Crackersmear will vote against the only true left™ candidate (President Joseph Brandon). If the left™ doesn't win this election. Then you could lose the right to abortion, access to affordable housing/healthcare, and possibly one of the wars you didn't know we were fighting. Vote blue no matter who and give your money to the people who act on behalf of the wealthy.
Sounds suspiciously like something the left would say 🤨
"Idea dumpster" would be a great channel name
" Meet me in the middle says the right wing. " The moderate meets them in the middle and they take a step backwards and say, " meet me in the middle. " They will always move the line backwards until the line also keeps you out.
The surest way to build up your defenses is to open up the gates and let the enemy in.
I think we need to make it not a direction but an activity? Maybe?
“I’m on the ‘Skipping’.”
“I’m Skipping really fast these days.” “That Lefty couldn’t Skip if they wanted to.”
Idk, I’ll workshop it
Only if Mark Hamill voices the mascot
Which pills do I take so o can be skipping tonight?
I would like to be doing the skipping thing also, please
Yeah it makes more sense to me at this point to abandon social media and just try to build relationships in my life that are mutualistic and try to engage in direct action in whatever ways i can. Just try to lead by example and give to others and organize when i can according to active needs in my community. I know that's not broad and immediately revolutionary but I'm trying to be in control of the things i have control of and let other things go
In a world this cold & individualistic, any act of kindness & collectivism is a revolutionary act.
This resonates with me. Well said, I'm growing more frustrated every day. I think focusing on the smaller things that are more in your control is good.
Also, I feel like it’s important to point out the history of leftists siding with liberals and socdems is a history of getting co-opted by those groups. They will ultimately betray you in the end due to a combination of factors but mostly a defence of the status quo.
“I’m making a show, and the people in the show I’m writing agree that you don’t deserve equal rights,” is such a wild take, holy shit.
If I'm being generous, those who dig in their heels and start shouting about "going too far" are recalling their own journey from reactionary background noise to being aware of these issues and advocating for justice. To them, it was a long journey and to "force" others to fast forward through it is a scary thought.
Another way of thinking about it is that they have not progressed nearly as far on this journey as they say they did, and have some unresolved prejudices that keep them from recognizing the issues as immediate and deserving of urgent support. I feel comfortable assigning that narrative to Ana and Cenk and dumping them into that bucket.
Move that goalpost. I agree wholeheartedly. I've been gaslit by my mother for literal years about how I need to find common ground with these shitheads and I have to genuinely wonder what compromise exists with someone who wants me dead.
I've been getting in way too many dumb arguements with weirdos on the ex bird app. I needed this right now
I hate that clip of Cenk saying trans activists are idiots for not conceding to the right on trans inclusion in sports because it is painfully obvious that the reason he thinks that is because he agrees 100% with the right on that issue and also probably does not actually view trans women as women (else he would not be agreeing with them).
I can’t get over anyone who is neutral on [popular streamer’s identity redacted] after what he said about progressive Black women, after a year of harassing a progressive Black woman and calling her a N*zi. And when Contrapoints told him to stop being misogynist on Twitter in defence of trans women, he told his audience to - direct quote - “shame her into agreeing with me”. He is not a centre point or a gateway, he is the problem.
Where's the eyeball zone? WE NEED TWO NEXT VIDEO!!! Lord Oculon must be abated.
This is something I’ve been so confused and upset about for a while. I really don’t see how people think they can achieve economic leftist goals without also fighting for civil rights for all people regardless of how marginalized those people are. Those goals just seem so inherently connected!
3:03 guessing the circled one is Jason Todd, but i'm gonna throw Damian in there as another that sometimes maybe wants to kill Batman
Good to see another Batman nerd in the chat.
I suspect anyone working with Batman has some occasional strangulation daydreams.
For like half this video, while I agreed with you I had no idea what sort of "left" person you might be describing, but as soon as you started showing TYT videos I was like "oh". I forgot that some people still think they're ostensibly remotely left.
I knew that TYT was fake-left by the time the Trump vs Clinton race was fully realized. They could not stop dragging Clinton. Lies, half-truths, the cut of her pantsuits. They didn't care. Throw in how Cenk named it for the crew that performed a shit ton of the Armenian genocide's dirty work, an event he used to deny existed until his Armenian-American co-host dressed him down for it. He also still kisses a lot of Turkish ass when he thinks it's appropriate. This is usually when Erdogan is being an asshole.
Nice to meet you Cenk! Note: It took me way too long to figure out what you were doing for someone who watched TYT for years lol. For a long time i knew they were too centrist to really do much, but there were few alternatives. Nowadays im embarrassed i gave them the benefit of the doubt when i had a bad feeling the whole time.
My only complaint is you actually called Twitter, X. and that is something I will have to reconcile with for a long while.
It always makes me a little sad when some leftists are willing to throw so many of their own under the bus to MAYBE, probably not, get the votes of small town working class people. I live in Eastern KY and most working class people I know are evangelical conservatives. It would be better to not even concern ourselves with them beyond the general goal of helping ALL working class people. We shouldn’t be so desperate to win that we forget what we are fighting for.
I'd disagree. We have to win people like them because they are a large portion of working class. But we don't win them by changing our goals, we win them by changing their ideals to suit our goals.
@@Alex_BarbosaN' what if they don't change their ideals? Short of not letting them vote, we have to destroy the opposition somehow. What if we improved their material conditions somewhat so that they can see that it's capitalism that's oppressing them, not minorities. While at the same time advocating for minority rights and legislating action for it?
A lot of people don't even consciously change their ideals. The world just changes around them and they adapt. They'll kick about it the first few times someone says "actually we don't use that slur in polite company anymore" but give it 10 years and they've never heard or used the word in their life. People who hold actively bigoted views (rather than the default "i never really thought about it") are badly outnumbered, however loud they may be, and they aren't stupid. Sooner or later they will be neighbors with or children of or married to or working for or interested in someone whose disapproval actually hurts them. Most of them will eventually cut their losses because their emotional ties are more important than what someone else does in bed. It's just not worth it.
Uncle Jim still wants to be allowed at Christmas dinner and Mavis down the street wants to be able to borrow a cup of sugar and Gabe wants to keep raiding with his guild. Unless they care enough to try and change the social rules of their peer group or leave entirely they'll change their behavior. And most people just don't care that much. Almost nobody gives a shit about women's sports. People are gross about it because being part of a mob is easy and fun. When the mob disappears and it's just you and your disappointed loved ones, it's not fun anymore.
Of course this only works reliablg at a community level. A single governor can do a lot of damage and insulate themselves from social consequences. That's kind of a different puzzle to solve.
Those black and white cartoons were amazing I hope you keep using that style. Overall the video felt like a lot of editing work went into it, great job!
Your eye makeup is gorgeous and your argument is on point :D
“I’m not cheering for the teams, I’m cheering for the goals.” Is an excellent soccer metaphor.
You're missing the point...the only way to beat 'the right' is by giving them everything they ever wanted.
Capitalism is all about finite growth and once the capitalist class has enough and the imaginary line has gone up enough....then things will get better for all of us, trust me I got a feeling
I genuinely cannot tell if you sincerely believe this or if I'm getting smooth-sharked
@@ravenfrancis1476They're definitely joking.
I feel like the discrimination of trans people (i.e. sports bans, chess deciding that trans women have bigger wrinklier brains than cis women, bathroom bills, and similar types of legislation) is such a catch-22 to try to navigate as a trans person. Because, on some level, you know that the handful of openly trans kids that are on sports teams, are not some existential threat to the cis girls on sports teams. Even on that issue of sports at the local middle school, the whole endeavor of sports are needlessly gendered to begin with, and the fact that there are girls'/women's' teams to begin with was a weird patriarchal compromise of "Okay, we won't demand you stop segregating, we'll just take our own bubble"
Like I don't even want to have the argument of why 12 year olds should just be able to play soccer on a team. It's the far right controlling the conversation as health care bans keep coming through, voting rights get stripped, and bodily autonomy completely surrendered. What TYT is doing, and in particular Ana & Cenk, is distracting from the very real issues trans people experience in order to waste time pretending there is a way to make transphobia and sexism scientific. "Trans activists" don't want to be fighting on literally every single goddamn front for our right to simple participate in the same shit hole society as everyone else. Most of us would rather be working to make society less shitty for everyone, everywhere. But now we gotta spend precious time and oxygen to explain that "people capable of pregnancy" doesn't erase motherhood or women. And then *we* are somehow to blame when the far-right decide that not only is pregnancy only something that happens to women, but if that's the defining feature of womanhood, then it's not something that needs consent. Who "consents" to continuing their gender after all?
Like, it's an absolute fucking grift. And I'm tired of being gaslight.
I love her art style so much❤ cant wait for the comic release
This video was like getting blasted with an AC on a hot day, you really nailed the issue, and loved the editing!
This video was wonderfully validating and I have to thank you for it.
I'm glad that you pretty quickly pointed out how largely whiteness plays into of a ton of these stances among "progressives". I can't help but feel like white people on "the left" that are advocating for trying to court the right are just unwilling to admit that what's going on there is that they're much more comfortable talking with and "debating" and just straight up interacting with other white people, even if that other white person has heinous views, than they are comfortable with reaching out to people of color and having to have hard conversations or legitimately face the reality of their whiteness by having to defer to poc. So much of it still boils down to the fact that white people think us brown folk are scary.
Agreed and feeding algorithm. While I like working together, a lot of time things I won't compromise on, like "treat people with respect" and "Medicare4All" cause rocky interactions. Ah, well.
Leaving a chill, civil comment for the unchill, no good, very bad algorithm.
In short: we don't negotiate with terrorists.
"Misogyny Classic" sounds like a terrible perfume advertised by Johnny Depp or Charlie Sheen
this stuff is the exact reason i exclusively engage in what i call "humanistic extremism" which in reality is just satirical political extremism, the entire point of which is to make people think about the things that others say.
"Imagine, capitalist America also divides the anarchists into two categories, philosophic and criminal. The first are accepted in highest circles; one of them is even high in the councils of the Wilson Administration. The second category, to which we have the honor of belonging, is persecuted and often imprisoned. Yours also seems to be a distinction without a difference. Don't you think so?" ~ Emma Goldman