If you didn’t know. Tall heals on work boots actually allow you to stand longer on your feet without fatiguing and add more support. The higher your arches the better your feet are. That info is from 60+ years of wildland fire boot building on Nicks Handmade boots.
they also give you extra traction in steep terrain for people who work in the mountains. nicks has an urban drifter which is the same boot but with a shorter heel.
I'm preparing to transition from a barefoot style for 50 years of working to boots with arches. My feet and spine are shot and I got a lot left to do. Wish me luck.
I have the Urban Loggers, 8 inch, predator Orange. They are my perfect boot. My wife asked me if I had planned on getting another pair of custom boots at some point. Told her no as these fit great and I'm no boot hobbyist.
Carl, someone mentioned in the comments that the arch support on Nick's boots 'diminish' with time, have you noticed the same thing? The only reason I am interested in boots like Nick's (White's) is because of arch support. Thanks
Here's the thing ninny - 90% of the people that buy Nicks are like this guy (seriously, does an Electrician or RUclipsr need these?). And for those people, it absolutely looks like women's boots. The heel is a consequence of its 100-yearold design heritage, which is the 19th century American logger boot, where the heel was high intentionally. BTW - my suspicion is that our RUclipsr likes them subconsciously because they add about 3"-4" to his height.
@@johnfaustus1 if they can afford them who the fuck cares? Arch support is very important. And the I’d rather buy a $500 pair of boots once every 5-10 years instead of $100-$200 pairs of boots every 1-2 years. I’d also like a boot that can do it all. Construction, warehouse work, hiking, living in, hunting. I just don’t get the gatekeeping mentality tbh. If people can afford them who really cares, eventually Nicks will get big enough their lead times won’t be so bad especially with how many pairs they’re selling.
@@johnfaustus1 Stop whining boy, if you don't like it don't buy it and stop being the lil prick you're being right now. You must be the kid people beat up on in school.
I find when on my feet all day the heel on the logger saves my lower back. I’ve always worn boots with cushioned insoles and low heels that I thought were comfortable. Turns out I had no idea what comfortable was. Get through the break-in period and you’ll never go back to the glued together “work boot”.
People knock the heel until they try it and feel that glorious arch support magic Nicks incorporates into their boots. Nicks Robert is my everyday boot; way less aggressive sole for casual wear while still having the arch support for comfort.
Carl, I really appreciate you mentioning that you have a duty to your audience. That’s why I love your channel, your character, your reviews. Keep on my man 👍
You should try Frank’s Boots. It was opened a few years ago by Frank, who was the general manager of Nick’s boots for over 20 years and he took the shop foreman with him. Frank’s is located in the building where I bought my first pair of Nick’s. We are spoiled here in my city when it comes to work boots. Keep up the great reviews!
HaHaHa you know the old saying opinions are like Aholes and everybody has one. They are some sweet looking boots. I’m not sure how anyone looks at these as women’s boots. Sure the heal is high but most people associate that with a logger. Unfortunately this type of heal with high arch kills my feet, ankles and hips so I can’t wear them. Dude I love the videos and appreciate the time you take to make them. Cheers 🍻
I haven't seen a logger wearing logger boots in 15 years and I am a forester living in rural PNW. Caulks on the side and sneakers or Crocs in the crummy. Logger boots were made for a job barely anyone even does anymore and just look foolish 99% of the time, especially in the city.
Well I live in rural western PA and most people in the timber industry to farmers and heavy equipment operators wear similar logging boots. I do agree that they would be a bit silly looking in the city but in the small towns in my area high healed loggers are the norm in town along with cowboy boots.
I have a set of Frank's Handmade Boots. I wasn't too keen on the looks of the heel. But the high arch is amazing. Don't knock it until you try it. So comfortable when they finally break in. Lol
@@chu88y1 I can't really speak to your foot condition. I don't really have supper high arches but I absolutely love the arch support these have. I know Frank's has great customer service. I had some fitment issues with the first pair they sent me. I wasn't happy with the way the toe cap felt or looked. They rebuilt them again and I still wasn't happy. Finally they built a new pair of boots for me with the mid arch height. There's no way they made money off of me after the work they did. But Frank wanted to be happy with my boots. I'd give them a call and talk to them about your issue. See what they say.
@@chu88y1 I was in the same situation as you; wearing orthotics in cheap footwear. These boots are 10X more durable and comfortable than any orthotics I had. Might wanna check out the "Robert" model on Nicks website for a more casual pair with a non-aggressive sole; Franks also has some casual pairs as well to consider. You won't regret it.
My opinion on heels. I love them and I wish I never have to go without them. Especially on a cowboy boot. Anything less than 1.5 inches just feels too low for me. Stepping into a boot with a 1.5+ inch heel for me just feels Amazing! And I never want to leave that cowboy boot silhouette behind.
@@Bubbles99718 Well those judgmental folk are probably just insecure as hell and they'll have to live with themselves. I'll be over here enjoying my arch support and horses.
I used to wear my riding boots to highschool every day, next thing you know there were 4 or 5 of us. Some people thought it was funny we wore "high heels" we didnt care, in fact it made it easier to tell good friends from posers
Peeps see "your purpose". Which is not necessarily good or bad in and of itself. But peeps do see it and form an opinion. The opinion generally being "overcompensating".
Some may have something to about the Heels but I know they are not talking with those tight ass yoga pants on and thier GFs tight stretch denim on LMAO with those tight ass shirts 🤣 with the tattoos and " I'm a Gangster " attitude 🤭😭🤣😂
It's a LOGGER HEEL. If you don't use it for work, then you don't need it. Get a different heel. As a cable technician, you need it for the ladder, for hooks, for squatting at a better angle. Even if you don't use it for your job, guys who use boots for WORK know what it is at least. Calling it "fem" immediately identifies you as someone who doesn't actually work in their boots. If you're paying $600+ for fashion boots, aren't you more "fem" than someone who actually works in these boots? That word is so fucking stupid.
I dont know what the hell I've done to my feet in our life but Nicks boots are comfortable to me right out the box. No fancy measurements or anything. Google told me the run a half size large and thats what I ordered... a half size small. They're perfect.
The Nicks dogger and logger heels can be off putting when brand new. Once broken in, the heels do compress. They will never be a low block heel but my Manitos have gone from having a 2 inch heel to 1and half inch heel after their break in.
I got my urban loggers two weeks ago! It took 7 months but we’ll worth the wait. I love them, but your right they are a gateway drug into better boots. Thanks for your great reviews.
I am most likely just enamored by the quality and fit of my Urban Loggers that I got in under a week ago, but I can already see these things being the perfect boot for me. Maybe just maybe equal or outclassed by the Overlander if I ever buy those, but the 20 week wait time was just too much for me to go with them. The leather is 8oz and hard to break in. I went for a 40 min hike/walk and my feet felt wonderful, but my ankles started to ache when I got home. I went with their standard measurements and for a 9.5B foot these 9B urban loggers fit perfect. Enough room for toes, circulation and a medium sock without feeling loose. They hug my foot without strangling them.
I ordered my a pair of Urban Loggers a few days ago and I'm really excited for them. They'll be my first boot of this kind of quality, having done a lot of research into what would fit me best I'm pretty confident they will be. Maybe my mind will change when I see them but... the heels really don't look that large, and the measurement listed isn't that high. I would understand if someone never wore anything with even the slightest heel before finding it unusual but a lot of shoes and boots have a heel. As someone who is on their feet all day though I'm looking forward to that arch support.
Thanks Carl, good solid review. My "best" boots have a moderate to low arch, but that's just me, well unless I am actually logging, which at my age I ain't.
Still have yet to get a pair of Nick's (don't know why not). Do have a custom pair of 7" Olive Waxed Flesh White's Smoke Jumper's with the #100 sole. Don't really like mini-lug or commando sole setups. Had to get a custom pair after getting a stock 10" pair.
Great update, Carl. One thing you could have mentioned about the heel is that you have the High Arch and thus highest heel stack that Nick's offers. The same boot could be made with the shorter Medium or Moderate arches and heel stacks. I have the Natural Waxed Flesh UL's with the Medium Arch and those have been absolutely PERFECT for me.
Here's a million $ question: How can I find out if medium arch or high arch would be more comfortable for me? I am as flat footed as it gets. I can't afford to order a custom made one of these and find out latertjst it's painful (or not as comfortable as it could have been)
Carl....THANK YOU for your honest and thorough reviews!!! I hope you know how much we appreciate your insight into these products. All of your videos provide answers to the questions we all have about these boots.
I never felt the heel look feminine until you mentioned it😂 I actually wanted to get a pair of nicks last year after watching your video, but unfortunately after calculating the international shipping costs, (with the try-on boots) I had to give it up. May be one day if I travel to the US, I will pre-order them and at least have my try-on in their retail store may be, and save myself two international shipments fees.
I took the chance of not doing the try on pair. My wife and I measured my feet five different times using their fit kit to make sure everything was correct. I was a bit nervous spending that kind of money. Well the Fit is amazing! I've never had anything fit so well. Worth the price.
Hey @Carl Murawski, what heel size are you urban loggers? I'm ordering mine soon so little confused what size to go with. Whats your opinion (medium arch, moderate or classic arch) thanks
I understand the trepidation about wearing expensive boots and "messing them up." I was like that with my White's but was less so with my Nick's as I came to appreciate the benefits of that class of boots. Prior to these boots I was lucky to get a year out of boots... along with work use I upland bird hunted and the boots would fall apart or otherwise break down. Then I got a pair of Filson boots and wore them for about 6 years. I sent them out for a resole and they got lost after they were received at Filson. At that point I got the White's as Filson was perpetually out of stock, and then the Nick's. At this stage in my life I don't see myself buying less of a boot again and with resoles and rebuilds the ones I have now may outlast me anyway.
I think the heel looks exaggerated because the size of this pair seems pretty short? Not sure what size they are in the video, but they look pretty stumpy. If these heels were on Shaq’s shoes, they wouldn’t seem so tall. I wonder why these boot makers don’t scale the size of the heel to the boot?
For something more inexpensive and durable, I have bought and like Irish Setters, a pair of pull ons and a pair of of lace up 6" hiking boots. They're durable and waterproof. I don't feel too bad about wearing them out in the pastures or on equipment, tromping around in manure, water, mud, whatever. So far they've been great. I love my Nicks and Whites but I feel about the same way about them at $5-600 as you do your $9-$1200 pair. I'm still a fan of Red Wing but I'm by clothes and footwear like I am by vehicles and equipment brands...there's a few I will steer clear from but for the most part I like everything used in it's correct niche. I'm one of the people that love the high heel, I can't agree with anyone that thinks that's feminine. Anyone that thinks I'm prissy for wearing a high heeled boot can come out to the ranch with me and work with me for a day or two. We'll see who looks like a prissy bitch pretty quick.
My Redwing Sawmills in Briar Oil Slick are my most recent and favorite pair of boots. I would love to try some of these Nick’s but they’re just more money than I would feel comfortable in spending at this time. Happy to hear others enjoy them.
Thats a good mindset, you need to be comfortable with the cost of the boots, it will keep you from spending frivolously. I got the Whites MP Sherman boots after waiting a nearly a year, putting money aside for them until I was comfortable buying them, after all other bills and costs were taken care of. I've read horror stories of folks buying multiple expensive boots per year to "finish their collection", spending more money than they had to get the next boot that everyone talked about on r/goodyearwelt.
I enjoy you reviews, but have a question. My son is entering an electrical apprenticeship and I'm wanting to get him off to a good start with a good pair of boots. Nick's, White's, etc look like long term keepers, but what about their having EH rating. I think White's has one, but it's a clunky lineman style. Any recs other than Red Wings?
My one pair to rule them all is a pair of made to order Urban Loggers. Moderate heel, 8" shaft instead of 6" and that's it. Kept the waxed flesh. I think I hit the sweet spot tbh.
I have a ladies boot with similar design which i got around 1996 in Ireland, still functioning today but has scruffs and needs top lift replacement only. Just as heavy and clunky but i love it😀
Unsure of how you prioritize the making of future videos, but wondering if you'd ever consider doing something on the Nick's Urban Drifter in Brown Waxed Flesh HNW last? I just bought a pair and really like them and I'd love to hear your opinion. They seem like a really great cross between the more dressy Nicks Falcon and the fairly substantial Nicks Urban Logger.
I’m not sure if it’s the same for everyone else. A heeled boot helped a lot with posture and my back doesn’t hurt as much since buying/ wearing my builder pros for work (1year now)
Quick question for the community here: Nick's Charley vs. Urban Logger? Hint> Use: No heavy duty construction wear. Wet/slippery conditions at times Flat footed person
I'm curious how dressed up you can take these. Just from looking at them it seems like a jeans only boot. Were there elevated/classy/formal occasions you've worn this boot to? A perfect boot, to me, is something that can walk the line between casual and semi-formal wear. It has to be versatile for my wardrobe which inherently means the label of 'perfect' is subjective.
If you work on a ladder, sure, but other than that the platfrom look should be reserved for strippers. Not necessarily criticizing this boot as it's borderline. This trend from high-end and especially custom boots (I'm looking at you Japan) is terrible.
The higher heel isn't a "trend", it's a proven implement straight out of history. It's what the loggers, railroaders, and homesteaders of America wore when they built this country. These are called heritage boots for a reason, and those who complain of any "feminine look" are themselves probably more feminine than they should be because fashion doesn't hold much weight in the masculine crowd.
@@sapbuckets maybe loggers had heels this high, but railroaders, homesteaders, and most other workers from the 1800s didnt. They all had the same heel and shoe height you find in a standard iron ranger. Dont kid yourself this is a fashion trend now for the most part.
Chippewa is underrated these days. I have a Chippewa Crazy Horse work boot that is a good all around boot to throw on for work, hiking, casual, snow and rain. Of course you don't have the arch support like White's and Nick's but the durability is there for under $200. They have a 6 -7 oz cut of leather and are resoleable.
Had a pair of Chippwa's in CH as well that was my everyday street boot for 2 years. Really decent boot for the money, but they tended to stink due to fabric vs. all leather interior and after 2 years they were too worn out to justify the cost of rebuilding. Switched to Nicks.
You can custom order the Urban Logger with the moderate heel stack. So it’s the same 55 last, everything else the same if you want, just a couple fewer leather pieces in the heel.
Почему вы называете эти и подобные им ботинки рабочими? Рабочие ботинки должны выполнять определённые функции и быть очень доступными по цене. А вы покупаете их и боитесь лишний раз одеть.Поставьте их на полку под стекло и любуйтесь время от времени.
On the looks. It's two things. The element of them being close to being platform shoes is a real thing. Peeps see extra high heel and sole and it immediately triggers a certain reaction. To quote Seinfield, "He's heightening." It's a thing and not a good one. Can't get around it. And on these specifically, these are what, size 7? Their small size emphasizes the 1st issue. Double whammee. Take an inch or even 2 off the height overall and yeah, these are great looking boots. As is, distracting in a bad way
i dont think its a feminine looking boot but its not my choise in terms of casual wear. i am a blue collar worker and have been wearing tough chunky boots for work for years. but you'll never see me in the house or with friends with a pair like this. the iron ranger is the closest boot i have to a boot like this which i love. i lean towards the diesel's from grant stone and mp' from whites. y'all get the idea
Wish I could afford a pair of Nicks and may save up for some but until then my Irish Setter loggers are my work, casual, and motorcycle boot.....and honestly being a towering 5ft6 having a boot with a higher heel is always welcomed lol
Based on your video cutting apart the whites and Nick's as well as other posts showing the shank and arch piece of both the whites arch ease and the Nick's 55 last. I feel like whites significantly cuts corners for cost and sacrifices quality where as Nick's does not.
I have watched Carl's video comparing Nick's with White's and a number of folks (on styleforum) mentioned that a better comparison would have been with White's 350 Cruiser. But what other posts have compared White's shank with Nick's? I know White's offers double and triple midsoles.
@@chicagoan6342 a comparison between both company's can be found here amp.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/j0eght/arch_support_construction_in_whites_vs_nicks/ Regarding weather the 350 cutter was a better comparison. I feel like some people may just be making excuses for whites. Both the Americana and mp are a block heel moderate arch service boot style. And bother the 350 and urban logger are a 55 medium arch type boot with a logger heel.
@@donjoe4155 I have read that review on reddit, the person mentioned that he works for Nick's, if true that review is essentially taking cheap shots at a competitor IMO. I would call that review an example of sampling bias and error ( I am a practicing Engineer). In that review a Nick's employee ( not a third party) is comparing shank from a random pair of White's boots with Nick's but he has box of Nick's shanks there. I am not impressed!
Defect # 1. An eyelet over a speed lace system does NOT work. I will ask Mr. Murawski to tell us if he laces his boots all the way to the top and if the top eyelets make it easier or difficult. In the video you can see he did not tie the laces all the way to the top.
I am interested to know the answer too, I always wondered if the top eyelet worked well with speed hooks BUT Carl has mentioned he is biased towards Nick's :)
Just found your channel a few days ago. It's pretty perfect. Thanks for all that you do. If I could put in a video wish-list request or two: If you haven't done a deep dive into work vs heritage boots -- as a noob, I would appreciate it. Especially re. durability -- ie. how well can heritage boots hold up to hard use. On a similar note: I live in a walking/subway city, and work retail on my feet. I do a lot of kneeling/squatting/carrying heavy objects in a not-too-clean environment. If I want the durability of a work boot but I don't need the rugged sole etc. of an "outside" boot, what are my best options? Will heritage boots survive hard "work" use? Or should I still be looking at work boots, with a slimmer style? Thanks mate
Much appreciated! Some heritage boots take the work boot formula and apply it to a sleeker style. Nicks, Whites, and Wesco do this very well, using all the same materials and machinery to make their heritage lines as well as their work lines.
High heels were created for cavalry so their feet won't slip from the stirrups. Most kings in the like the 14-17th century to show how rich they were lol.
Count me as someone skeptical of that heel. I’d personally feel a little self-conscious of adding like 3” to my height as if I was insecure of my height (although I’m 6’3” so that’s less likely an issue). I do want to get a pair of high quality Nick’s or similar boots. I’m tired of so many things being so disposable. I want more things that can be serviced and last decades.
I guess if one grew up in an urban environment and was not familiar with logging, wild land firefighting, or linemen might be unfamiliar with such work boots. I grew up in cowboy boots and had to resort to some Whites Packers once when getting plantar fascia, as the heel released pressure from the arch better than orthotics. No one accused me of being feminine maybe because of wearing 13 wide. I could care less and regularly wear a kilt. I still have some Danner Loggers a cheap version and get no comments. Maybe this is something that only happens on the internet as doing so in person would surely bring about physical altercation in person. The only bad thing about the heel is it makes it more difficult for a large person to get into a vehicle and get comfortable. My wife is happy if I wear shoes at all.
Kevin McMichael, I am looking at Packers from White's, I can see two models of Packers on their website, one is hands sewn construction and priced at $500ish , the other one is Goodyear welted and is $329. Which model do you own? Thank you
Next boot allowance I'm going to see if I can't get a pair of nicks hotshots, in brown, with the medium heel and a comp toe. I need brown safety toe boots for the Park Service and NFPA construction for whenever I go on fires or do prescribed burns, maybe this way I can save some money and get all the boots I need in one pair
If you didn’t know. Tall heals on work boots actually allow you to stand longer on your feet without fatiguing and add more support. The higher your arches the better your feet are. That info is from 60+ years of wildland fire boot building on Nicks Handmade boots.
i wear em with my miniskirt & get lotsa look's. 😅😇🤣
they also give you extra traction in steep terrain for people who work in the mountains. nicks has an urban drifter which is the same boot but with a shorter heel.
As a hillbilly who lives in the harsh cold apalachian mountains of North Carolinas blue ridge this guy knows what he's talkin bout😂
I'm preparing to transition from a barefoot style for 50 years of working to boots with arches. My feet and spine are shot and I got a lot left to do. Wish me luck.
I have the Urban Loggers, 8 inch, predator Orange. They are my perfect boot. My wife asked me if I had planned on getting another pair of custom boots at some point. Told her no as these fit great and I'm no boot hobbyist.
Only one set of boots? I would go with the Zamberlan Tofane or Latemar. Norwegian welt, handmade in Italy.
Is it possible to buy one even now ?
Carl, someone mentioned in the comments that the arch support on Nick's boots 'diminish' with time, have you noticed the same thing? The only reason I am interested in boots like Nick's (White's) is because of arch support.
Thanks
I havent noticed that at all, even in my Builder Pros which I've worn more than these.
Who ever said these are feminine boots need a full men-tal exam. Arch support, you ninnies...work, like, real work is done in boots like these.
Here's the thing ninny - 90% of the people that buy Nicks are like this guy (seriously, does an Electrician or RUclipsr need these?). And for those people, it absolutely looks like women's boots.
The heel is a consequence of its 100-yearold design heritage, which is the 19th century American logger boot, where the heel was high intentionally.
BTW - my suspicion is that our RUclipsr likes them subconsciously because they add about 3"-4" to his height.
@@johnfaustus1 if they can afford them who the fuck cares? Arch support is very important. And the I’d rather buy a $500 pair of boots once every 5-10 years instead of $100-$200 pairs of boots every 1-2 years. I’d also like a boot that can do it all. Construction, warehouse work, hiking, living in, hunting. I just don’t get the gatekeeping mentality tbh. If people can afford them who really cares, eventually Nicks will get big enough their lead times won’t be so bad especially with how many pairs they’re selling.
@@johnfaustus1 Do you actually know what electricians do? Put your insecurities back in your pants, ninny.
@@johnfaustus1 Stop whining boy, if you don't like it don't buy it and stop being the lil prick you're being right now. You must be the kid people beat up on in school.
@@kartikchary Did you read my comment or are just pissy that your boots look feminine?
You forgot to mention that the tall heel is for the arch support that is built in.
is the nicks urban logger a nail shank boot?
Well you just cost me another like 550 bucks lol 😆 😂 🤣 I love these boots they look amazing
Hahahaha #carlmademedoit
I find when on my feet all day the heel on the logger saves my lower back. I’ve always worn boots with cushioned insoles and low heels that I thought were comfortable. Turns out I had no idea what comfortable was. Get through the break-in period and you’ll never go back to the glued together “work boot”.
I've had the opposite experience with the logger heels. :(
I’d wear these. Not saying they’re feminine but I think they could look good on both sexes
I agree, but just be aware of their weight and heft.
I'm non-binary and I'd wear them too.
@@ThrowingItAway That doesn't help. Are you a man or a woman? lol
Yeah, ok hanna
@Time Traveler 2025 awww thank you!
People knock the heel until they try it and feel that glorious arch support magic Nicks incorporates into their boots. Nicks Robert is my everyday boot; way less aggressive sole for casual wear while still having the arch support for comfort.
THANKS Rusty....sounds like you feel my pain!! I I will look at the Robert ....best wishes
Carl, I really appreciate you mentioning that you have a duty to your audience. That’s why I love your channel, your character, your reviews. Keep on my man 👍
Exactly my thoughts.
You should try Frank’s Boots. It was opened a few years ago by Frank, who was the general manager of Nick’s boots for over 20 years and he took the shop foreman with him. Frank’s is located in the building where I bought my first pair of Nick’s. We are spoiled here in my city when it comes to work boots. Keep up the great reviews!
Makes me want to drive across WA to check them all out in person… then get custom fitted.
I checked out. I like Nick's styling and variety a bit more. I'm sure they make rock solid boots too.
HaHaHa you know the old saying opinions are like Aholes and everybody has one. They are some sweet looking boots. I’m not sure how anyone looks at these as women’s boots. Sure the heal is high but most people associate that with a logger. Unfortunately this type of heal with high arch kills my feet, ankles and hips so I can’t wear them. Dude I love the videos and appreciate the time you take to make them. Cheers 🍻
Thanks man, youre awesome!
I'd rather say that most people don't associate the heel with a logger, as most people probably don't know what a logger boot is.
I haven't seen a logger wearing logger boots in 15 years and I am a forester living in rural PNW. Caulks on the side and sneakers or Crocs in the crummy. Logger boots were made for a job barely anyone even does anymore and just look foolish 99% of the time, especially in the city.
Well I live in rural western PA and most people in the timber industry to farmers and heavy equipment operators wear similar logging boots. I do agree that they would be a bit silly looking in the city but in the small towns in my area high healed loggers are the norm in town along with cowboy boots.
I have a set of Frank's Handmade Boots. I wasn't too keen on the looks of the heel. But the high arch is amazing. Don't knock it until you try it. So comfortable when they finally break in. Lol
Robert if you dont mind: my arches a HIGH...i can't function without orthotics in cheap shoes. Should I take the plunge? THANKS
@@chu88y1 I can't really speak to your foot condition. I don't really have supper high arches but I absolutely love the arch support these have. I know Frank's has great customer service. I had some fitment issues with the first pair they sent me. I wasn't happy with the way the toe cap felt or looked. They rebuilt them again and I still wasn't happy. Finally they built a new pair of boots for me with the mid arch height. There's no way they made money off of me after the work they did. But Frank wanted to be happy with my boots. I'd give them a call and talk to them about your issue. See what they say.
@@chu88y1 I was in the same situation as you; wearing orthotics in cheap footwear. These boots are 10X more durable and comfortable than any orthotics I had. Might wanna check out the "Robert" model on Nicks website for a more casual pair with a non-aggressive sole; Franks also has some casual pairs as well to consider. You won't regret it.
@@RobertWilliams-ox4hz THANKS Robert
Imagine spending $500+ on a legendary boot that will live longer than you will and caring about whether or not people think they look feminine.
Wear what you like. Worrying about looking girly is pretty girly.
Thanks for the shout out Carl, much appreciated.
Great looking boots but I sway more towards their falcon model🥾
My opinion on heels.
I love them and I wish I never have to go without them. Especially on a cowboy boot. Anything less than 1.5 inches just feels too low for me.
Stepping into a boot with a 1.5+ inch heel for me just feels Amazing! And I never want to leave that cowboy boot silhouette behind.
People see that and know why you're wearing a high heel....
Not that that is bad thing. Wear what you want but peeps see it. And form opinions
@@Bubbles99718 Well those judgmental folk are probably just insecure as hell and they'll have to live with themselves. I'll be over here enjoying my arch support and horses.
I used to wear my riding boots to highschool every day, next thing you know there were 4 or 5 of us. Some people thought it was funny we wore "high heels" we didnt care, in fact it made it easier to tell good friends from posers
I have to admit... I am falling in love with this boot. My wife would not be happy at me buying another '$250' boot. HAHA
I was one of those guys that didn't GET the heel. I've evolved.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't cut THOSE in half.
Love a high logger style heal, for me very comfortable . Guess I need the max arch support.
I have the Charley. My perfect boot. I think the bottom line is Nicks are close enough to perfect for me!
Love the Charley, great looking boot.
I have the Roberts, and waiting on Urban Logger and Builder Pro. The Charley is beautiful. Kinda wish I ordered those.
I can’t imagine something higher quality than these. 😍
I’d say these are the highest quality for the money. Anything more expensive is so nice that it’s a piece of art like WhiteKloud.
Whoever is hung up thinking tall heeled boots are too femme are full of weak sauce. Just grow up and wear what suits your purposes.
Peeps see "your purpose". Which is not necessarily good or bad in and of itself. But peeps do see it and form an opinion. The opinion generally being "overcompensating".
@@Bubbles99718 Ok. Do I want to associate with those people?
When I see this boot it looks like a lady’s boot. Maybe a northern thing . I don’t think that will work down in Texas . Not for me . Love your channel
Some may have something to about the Heels but I know they are not talking with those tight ass yoga pants on and thier GFs tight stretch denim on LMAO with those tight ass shirts 🤣 with the tattoos and " I'm a Gangster " attitude 🤭😭🤣😂
Lol my wife gives me a hard time and calls my packers “Victorian woman’s boots”
Carl is the best salesman. I got two pairs of Nick’s on the way!
You're not gonna regret it!
Same
It's a LOGGER HEEL. If you don't use it for work, then you don't need it. Get a different heel. As a cable technician, you need it for the ladder, for hooks, for squatting at a better angle. Even if you don't use it for your job, guys who use boots for WORK know what it is at least. Calling it "fem" immediately identifies you as someone who doesn't actually work in their boots. If you're paying $600+ for fashion boots, aren't you more "fem" than someone who actually works in these boots? That word is so fucking stupid.
I dont know what the hell I've done to my feet in our life but Nicks boots are comfortable to me right out the box. No fancy measurements or anything. Google told me the run a half size large and thats what I ordered... a half size small. They're perfect.
The Nicks dogger and logger heels can be off putting when brand new. Once broken in, the heels do compress. They will never be a low block heel but my Manitos have gone from having a 2 inch heel to 1and half inch heel after their break in.
Good to hear been eyeing a pair.
I got my urban loggers two weeks ago! It took 7 months but we’ll worth the wait. I love them, but your right they are a gateway drug into better boots. Thanks for your great reviews.
NOT worth the wait if you have to keep returning it.
My favorite boot is and stays the „Kampfschuh, Modell 1983” (combat shoe, model 1983) the 80s combat boot of the west German army
For me, gorgeous uppers, just way to high heel, arch. Plus i prefer straight heel not sloped.
Fair enough!
They do offer the urban logger with a moderate arch/lower heel.
What about the cuban heel model? Its angled, but not curved.
Check out franks boots. What do you think of them
I'd really like to check them out.
I am most likely just enamored by the quality and fit of my Urban Loggers that I got in under a week ago, but I can already see these things being the perfect boot for me. Maybe just maybe equal or outclassed by the Overlander if I ever buy those, but the 20 week wait time was just too much for me to go with them. The leather is 8oz and hard to break in. I went for a 40 min hike/walk and my feet felt wonderful, but my ankles started to ache when I got home. I went with their standard measurements and for a 9.5B foot these 9B urban loggers fit perfect. Enough room for toes, circulation and a medium sock without feeling loose. They hug my foot without strangling them.
I ordered my a pair of Urban Loggers a few days ago and I'm really excited for them. They'll be my first boot of this kind of quality, having done a lot of research into what would fit me best I'm pretty confident they will be. Maybe my mind will change when I see them but... the heels really don't look that large, and the measurement listed isn't that high. I would understand if someone never wore anything with even the slightest heel before finding it unusual but a lot of shoes and boots have a heel. As someone who is on their feet all day though I'm looking forward to that arch support.
Thanks Carl, good solid review. My "best" boots have a moderate to low arch, but that's just me, well unless I am actually logging, which at my age I ain't.
Still have yet to get a pair of Nick's (don't know why not). Do have a custom pair of 7" Olive Waxed Flesh White's Smoke Jumper's with the #100 sole. Don't really like mini-lug or commando sole setups. Had to get a custom pair after getting a stock 10" pair.
Great update, Carl. One thing you could have mentioned about the heel is that you have the High Arch and thus highest heel stack that Nick's offers. The same boot could be made with the shorter Medium or Moderate arches and heel stacks. I have the Natural Waxed Flesh UL's with the Medium Arch and those have been absolutely PERFECT for me.
Hey @@trapperjohn8508 , I can definitely send you some photos. Check your RUclips inbox, I sent you a message there.
@@trapperjohn8508 It turns out I can't send you a message directly via youtube. Let me know how you'd like to receive some photos.
@Alex Mojcher can ya also send pics. Interested in how toe cap looks on these as I can't seem to find. Str8Up50@yahoo.com
Here's a million $ question:
How can I find out if medium arch or high arch would be more comfortable for me?
I am as flat footed as it gets. I can't afford to order a custom made one of these and find out latertjst it's painful (or not as comfortable as it could have been)
What could be more "feminine" than one man criticizing another man's workboot because he disapproves of the aesthetics?
Carl Please review a Frye boot maybe be the prison boot or another lace up. Love the videos keep them up.
I''m currently wearing my builder pros every single day and I'm ready for a lighter duty boot.
Carl....THANK YOU for your honest and thorough reviews!!! I hope you know how much we appreciate your insight into these products. All of your videos provide answers to the questions we all have about these boots.
The insole came out of my hawthorns after 1 week o fcb wear.
I never felt the heel look feminine until you mentioned it😂 I actually wanted to get a pair of nicks last year after watching your video, but unfortunately after calculating the international shipping costs, (with the try-on boots) I had to give it up. May be one day if I travel to the US, I will pre-order them and at least have my try-on in their retail store may be, and save myself two international shipments fees.
I took the chance of not doing the try on pair. My wife and I measured my feet five different times using their fit kit to make sure everything was correct. I was a bit nervous spending that kind of money. Well the Fit is amazing! I've never had anything fit so well. Worth the price.
Hey @Carl Murawski, what heel size are you urban loggers? I'm ordering mine soon so little confused what size to go with. Whats your opinion (medium arch, moderate or classic arch) thanks
I understand the trepidation about wearing expensive boots and "messing them up." I was like that with my White's but was less so with my Nick's as I came to appreciate the benefits of that class of boots. Prior to these boots I was lucky to get a year out of boots... along with work use I upland bird hunted and the boots would fall apart or otherwise break down. Then I got a pair of Filson boots and wore them for about 6 years. I sent them out for a resole and they got lost after they were received at Filson. At that point I got the White's as Filson was perpetually out of stock, and then the Nick's. At this stage in my life I don't see myself buying less of a boot again and with resoles and rebuilds the ones I have now may outlast me anyway.
I think the heel looks exaggerated because the size of this pair seems pretty short? Not sure what size they are in the video, but they look pretty stumpy. If these heels were on Shaq’s shoes, they wouldn’t seem so tall. I wonder why these boot makers don’t scale the size of the heel to the boot?
Please do a Viberg service boot video.
For something more inexpensive and durable, I have bought and like Irish Setters, a pair of pull ons and a pair of of lace up 6" hiking boots. They're durable and waterproof. I don't feel too bad about wearing them out in the pastures or on equipment, tromping around in manure, water, mud, whatever. So far they've been great. I love my Nicks and Whites but I feel about the same way about them at $5-600 as you do your $9-$1200 pair. I'm still a fan of Red Wing but I'm by clothes and footwear like I am by vehicles and equipment brands...there's a few I will steer clear from but for the most part I like everything used in it's correct niche.
I'm one of the people that love the high heel, I can't agree with anyone that thinks that's feminine. Anyone that thinks I'm prissy for wearing a high heeled boot can come out to the ranch with me and work with me for a day or two. We'll see who looks like a prissy bitch pretty quick.
My Redwing Sawmills in Briar Oil Slick are my most recent and favorite pair of boots. I would love to try some of these Nick’s but they’re just more money than I would feel comfortable in spending at this time. Happy to hear others enjoy them.
Thats a good mindset, you need to be comfortable with the cost of the boots, it will keep you from spending frivolously. I got the Whites MP Sherman boots after waiting a nearly a year, putting money aside for them until I was comfortable buying them, after all other bills and costs were taken care of. I've read horror stories of folks buying multiple expensive boots per year to "finish their collection", spending more money than they had to get the next boot that everyone talked about on r/goodyearwelt.
I enjoy you reviews, but have a question. My son is entering an electrical apprenticeship and I'm wanting to get him off to a good start with a good pair of boots. Nick's, White's, etc look like long term keepers, but what about their having EH rating. I think White's has one, but it's a clunky lineman style. Any recs other than Red Wings?
My one pair to rule them all is a pair of made to order Urban Loggers. Moderate heel, 8" shaft instead of 6" and that's it. Kept the waxed flesh. I think I hit the sweet spot tbh.
I'm gonna buy this one day
I have a ladies boot with similar design which i got around 1996 in Ireland, still functioning today but has scruffs and needs top lift replacement only. Just as heavy and clunky but i love it😀
Unsure of how you prioritize the making of future videos, but wondering if you'd ever consider doing something on the Nick's Urban Drifter in Brown Waxed Flesh HNW last? I just bought a pair and really like them and I'd love to hear your opinion. They seem like a really great cross between the more dressy Nicks Falcon and the fairly substantial Nicks Urban Logger.
I’m not sure if it’s the same for everyone else. A heeled boot helped a lot with posture and my back doesn’t hurt as much since buying/ wearing my builder pros for work (1year now)
Yeah I've heard similar things (depending on your posture of course)
Quick question for the community here:
Nick's Charley vs. Urban Logger?
Hint>
Use: No heavy duty construction wear.
Wet/slippery conditions at times
Flat footed person
I'm curious how dressed up you can take these. Just from looking at them it seems like a jeans only boot. Were there elevated/classy/formal occasions you've worn this boot to? A perfect boot, to me, is something that can walk the line between casual and semi-formal wear. It has to be versatile for my wardrobe which inherently means the label of 'perfect' is subjective.
Yeah, just due to the sole I think they're denim, coruroy, tin cloth suited but not too much more formal.
@@CarlMurawski I appreciate your thoughts Carl. Hope you and your family are all healthy and well.
With all these different makes/models of boots you likely own, I’m picturing your closest resembling Imelda Marcos’
If you work on a ladder, sure, but other than that the platfrom look should be reserved for strippers. Not necessarily criticizing this boot as it's borderline. This trend from high-end and especially custom boots (I'm looking at you Japan) is terrible.
Japan definitely went all-in on the woodsman heel!
The higher heel isn't a "trend", it's a proven implement straight out of history. It's what the loggers, railroaders, and homesteaders of America wore when they built this country. These are called heritage boots for a reason, and those who complain of any "feminine look" are themselves probably more feminine than they should be because fashion doesn't hold much weight in the masculine crowd.
@@sapbuckets maybe loggers had heels this high, but railroaders, homesteaders, and most other workers from the 1800s didnt. They all had the same heel and shoe height you find in a standard iron ranger. Dont kid yourself this is a fashion trend now for the most part.
I'll definitely be getting me a pair of these soon, thanks for the review man!
You going to do any more reviews on you myg boots? I almost thought about getting a pair when i saw your review on them. They look really bad ass.
When will you review some ???
I wear these boots to the office everyday just to trigger the gatekeepers
Chippewa is underrated these days. I have a Chippewa Crazy Horse work boot that is a good all around boot to throw on for work, hiking, casual, snow and rain. Of course you don't have the arch support like White's and Nick's but the durability is there for under $200. They have a 6 -7 oz cut of leather and are resoleable.
i keep trying their website to check them out but their out of so many sizes i cant pull the trigger on anything.
@@bobjohnson6321 yes that seems to be a problem. A lot of styles discontinued too.
Had a pair of Chippwa's in CH as well that was my everyday street boot for 2 years. Really decent boot for the money, but they tended to stink due to fabric vs. all leather interior and after 2 years they were too worn out to justify the cost of rebuilding. Switched to Nicks.
You can custom order the Urban Logger with the moderate heel stack. So it’s the same 55 last, everything else the same if you want, just a couple fewer leather pieces in the heel.
The main reason for the heel is arch support. That heel is why they are so comfortable.
Почему вы называете эти и подобные им ботинки рабочими? Рабочие ботинки должны выполнять определённые функции и быть очень доступными по цене. А вы покупаете их и боитесь лишний раз одеть.Поставьте их на полку под стекло и любуйтесь время от времени.
Anyone: How are Nicks boots for extreme hiking up and down hills?
On the looks. It's two things. The element of them being close to being platform shoes is a real thing. Peeps see extra high heel and sole and it immediately triggers a certain reaction. To quote Seinfield, "He's heightening." It's a thing and not a good one. Can't get around it.
And on these specifically, these are what, size 7? Their small size emphasizes the 1st issue. Double whammee.
Take an inch or even 2 off the height overall and yeah, these are great looking boots. As is, distracting in a bad way
Coward.
i dont think its a feminine looking boot but its not my choise in terms of casual wear. i am a blue collar worker and have been wearing tough chunky boots for work for years. but you'll never see me in the house or with friends with a pair like this. the iron ranger is the closest boot i have to a boot like this which i love. i lean towards the diesel's from grant stone and mp' from whites. y'all get the idea
I wear Nicks they are the best I have the fire fighter rough leather out love them
Wish I could afford a pair of Nicks and may save up for some but until then my Irish Setter loggers are my work, casual, and motorcycle boot.....and honestly being a towering 5ft6 having a boot with a higher heel is always welcomed lol
Haha yeah I hear you, I'm 5'8" and work with a couple dudes well over 6 feet. Theres plenty of good natured ball busting, but its all in good fun.
Ahh I hate going against the grain, but I'm not saying it without disrespect.... That heal is too much.
cool video. why is the "nose" of this boot, i guess the vamp, so short looking compared to the area the eyelets start? Is it your foot size?
Ordered a Falcon a few weeks ago. Maybe should have done the urban logger...
Perfect boots for fashion 👌
Can’t be the perfect boot because it’s too short. 8” would be perfect.
Also lace to toe are ugly AF
I'm hoping my custom ULs go into production soon. It's been nearly two months since ordering. I'm hoping they're the perfect boot for me.
@@trapperjohn8508 They're busy, I ordered my boots made to size to save time. It's roughly 3-4 extra weeks if you want to get a fitment pair.
Pretty woman, walking down the street
Pretty woman, the kind I like to meet
lol
I love that heel. Frankly, I'd wear them just to piss people off that think heel height defines one's masculinity.
Hahaha same!
Based on your video cutting apart the whites and Nick's as well as other posts showing the shank and arch piece of both the whites arch ease and the Nick's 55 last. I feel like whites significantly cuts corners for cost and sacrifices quality where as Nick's does not.
I think you may find a lot of people agree with you.
I have watched Carl's video comparing Nick's with White's and a number of folks (on styleforum) mentioned that a better comparison would have been with White's 350 Cruiser.
But what other posts have compared White's shank with Nick's? I know White's offers double and triple midsoles.
@@chicagoan6342 a comparison between both company's can be found here amp.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/j0eght/arch_support_construction_in_whites_vs_nicks/
Regarding weather the 350 cutter was a better comparison. I feel like some people may just be making excuses for whites. Both the Americana and mp are a block heel moderate arch service boot style. And bother the 350 and urban logger are a 55 medium arch type boot with a logger heel.
@@donjoe4155 I have read that review on reddit, the person mentioned that he works for Nick's, if true that review is essentially taking cheap shots at a competitor IMO. I would call that review an example of sampling bias and error ( I am a practicing Engineer). In that review a Nick's employee ( not a third party) is comparing shank from a random pair of White's boots with Nick's but he has box of Nick's shanks there. I am not impressed!
I wish i had gotten a pair of Nicks boots 50 years ago. I have two pair on order.
Defect # 1. An eyelet over a speed lace system does NOT work. I will ask Mr. Murawski to tell us if he laces his boots all the way to the top and if the top eyelets make it easier or difficult. In the video you can see he did not tie the laces all the way to the top.
I am interested to know the answer too, I always wondered if the top eyelet worked well with speed hooks BUT Carl has mentioned he is biased towards Nick's :)
Just found your channel a few days ago. It's pretty perfect. Thanks for all that you do.
If I could put in a video wish-list request or two:
If you haven't done a deep dive into work vs heritage boots -- as a noob, I would appreciate it. Especially re. durability -- ie. how well can heritage boots hold up to hard use.
On a similar note: I live in a walking/subway city, and work retail on my feet. I do a lot of kneeling/squatting/carrying heavy objects in a not-too-clean environment. If I want the durability of a work boot but I don't need the rugged sole etc. of an "outside" boot, what are my best options? Will heritage boots survive hard "work" use? Or should I still be looking at work boots, with a slimmer style?
Thanks mate
Much appreciated! Some heritage boots take the work boot formula and apply it to a sleeker style. Nicks, Whites, and Wesco do this very well, using all the same materials and machinery to make their heritage lines as well as their work lines.
“Still The Perfect Boot” Is it still available if wanted to order ?
Love the video! I have not got mine yet but they fit my lifestyle
Btw... Love the way that coffee mug just makes appearances..lol! Wish it was a Tadd bigger
Right?!
Would you prefer these over the 1964 builder pros
Nick's Urban Logger or Wesco Warren? Why?
you should check Nanucella Boots
for comfort and utility had to beat a pair of merrells
High heels were created for cavalry so their feet won't slip from the stirrups. Most kings in the like the 14-17th century to show how rich they were lol.
All right, dress as those kings nowdays and then we talk
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Count me as someone skeptical of that heel. I’d personally feel a little self-conscious of adding like 3” to my height as if I was insecure of my height (although I’m 6’3” so that’s less likely an issue). I do want to get a pair of high quality Nick’s or similar boots. I’m tired of so many things being so disposable. I want more things that can be serviced and last decades.
Most boots of the same model can be bought with less height
It's an inch or one and a half at most 😂
I guess if one grew up in an urban environment and was not familiar with logging, wild land firefighting, or linemen might be unfamiliar with such work boots.
I grew up in cowboy boots and had to resort to some Whites Packers once when getting plantar fascia, as the heel released pressure from the arch better than orthotics.
No one accused me of being feminine maybe because of wearing 13 wide. I could care less and regularly wear a kilt.
I still have some Danner Loggers a cheap version and get no comments.
Maybe this is something that only happens on the internet as doing so in person would surely bring about physical altercation in person.
The only bad thing about the heel is it makes it more difficult for a large person to get into a vehicle and get comfortable.
My wife is happy if I wear shoes at all.
Kevin McMichael, I am looking at Packers from White's, I can see two models of Packers on their website, one is hands sewn construction and priced at $500ish , the other one is Goodyear welted and is $329.
Which model do you own?
Thank you
I had the hand sewn.
These are basically a shorter builder pro
Next boot allowance I'm going to see if I can't get a pair of nicks hotshots, in brown, with the medium heel and a comp toe. I need brown safety toe boots for the Park Service and NFPA construction for whenever I go on fires or do prescribed burns, maybe this way I can save some money and get all the boots I need in one pair