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I feel like if they did a ps5 remake. They could change a couple things Choose to fight with Elise and save her or chase after Germain and Elise dies making all the future interactions be her as a ghost like she was in the dlc 2. Add cutscenes of Bellic talking working with Arno - clone wars style training. So their relationship seems deeper. Get actor who played Arno to add some dialogue to have with himself to show more growth or how he wrestles with his past.
An AC games combat should be simple but with a certain complexity to it. You should use different buttons to use different strikes and different weapons like heavy should add weight . It should be slightly fast like AC 3 and there should be ‘intrinsic movement’ where you can hit one person and move freely tho hit another.
so basically AC1's combat. simplified looking combat with tons of depth and perfect balance of lethal pseudo-realism where button mashing never works. AC1 has the best "flow state" to its combat in all AC games but it was considered "janky combat" ffs by the fanbase so that aint ever gonna happen. also faster = ez fun , but weighty and steady combat can be better if done right.
Valhalla is garbage tbh... I mean I guess it’s kinda cool they did Vikings but.. this ain’t assassins creed anymore.. honestly odessey is better and origins in combat. Also AC unity and AC 3 are the best for combat too
The new RPG AC games are fucking easy but so boring, why didn't they just look at good combat systems like witcher 3, Dark Souls, Sekiro or something like that?
Hell yes. I knew what your Number 1 pick would be immediately, and of course. Brotherhood Assassins are capable fighters, and always, always Lethal, no matter the situation they're in.
I think it was you who said Assassins should be "glass cannons" and that always stuck with me. Hope you'll at least forgive me for my Unity placement 😂
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When playing Odyssey I had to lower the difficulty to the easiest just because enemies took ages to kill and it made bossfights less about challenge and more about being patient enough to chip away at an enormous health bar slowly over the course of 30 minutes.
You’re just using the wrong build man! 😂😂😂 I hate that fucking answer so much!!! I’m sorry I leveled up wrong!?! What the fuck odyssey’s combat is offensively bad!!!!
@@mattbettcher7439 It’s unfortunate too cause I genuinely like most of the combat animations and finishing moves, but they can never be fun when it takes 30 minutes to get to them
Mate you realize a build means the right armor and swords and the combats more challenging than unity were you just pressed A button LOL try and get good you fucking cheezit
As Walshie says, it had the best combat "in concept", but the execution fell flat on it´s face. Basically, it´s a system built around timing and precision, in a game with horrendous input lag and inconsistent mechanics. If the Unity system was as consistent as the AC1-Rev system was, it would easily be the best.
i am really glad to see AC1 so high in this least. i played AC1 recently and absolutely shocked at how good the combat was and how much depth it had despite its simplified looking combat. enemies are deadly and can quickly k^ll you if u are not paying attention but every death is fair AC fanbase really really doesnt appreciate the combat system of AC1 enough. it hits the perfect balance of pseudo realism and visceral. u had to deal with every different type of enemy in a different tactic AC unity is really satisfying, but the goofy wobbly impact animations, janky af kill animations and people surviving half a dozen lethal stabs kinda feels video gameish and eventually gonna get to you, but might get tedious a lil cuz arno barely lands decisive blows on enemies despite making clear openings.
I would like to point out that in Origins when fighting with a cursed weapon, combats feel both very tense and are VERY short : it's always kill or be killed (or drop a smoke and run because too many enemies). And I genuinely enjoyed that! If only they had made the base combat system like that instead of making it restricted to a few weapons, I am fairly certain that no players would have complained about it feeling like a numbers-fest.
@@memecliparchives2254 which all feel very different! I certainly do not play the same with a Sarisa, a Falcata, and a No Border (to name a few cursed weapons I enjoy)!
I agree, fighting with the cursed weapons was way more intense and is pretty satisfying to kill people knowing that a few hits can kill you. It reminds me a bit about ghost of Tsushima’s lethal mode: The bigger risk the bigger the reward.
@@nonec384 mostly if you did not activate level scaling/if you faced bosses whose stats don't scale despite level scaling. Against the pharaohs of Curse of the Pharaohs, they were not especially broken: it took several overpowers with the Sahalin axe (most powerful cursed weapon) to kill them, and they could kill you in 2-3 hits.
AC1 at #2? I'll take it! The Brotherhood/Rev system is definitely a close second for me, as they're the most enjoyable beyond AC1's. All around, great list!
The only problem I found with unity's combat is that even after the patches (for me) using a one handed sword was the way to go because if I used any other weapon the animations would glitch out and i couldn't tell what was happening. Plus if you learn the just swapping between enemies and just hitting them once to interrupt their animations you can cheese your way through the whole game like that.
To be honest, that is a fairly realistic way to go about it. If you are fighting 3 or more people, the last thing you want to do is to just tunnel vision against one of them, and give free shots to your other enemies.
Origins and valhalla my favorites they have the most fun for me i like that a bunch of guards actually mean something plus its not boring i havent played every ac but rogue black flag unity and 2(games i played) I found the combat to be boring like i dont remember any moments where i was like fuck yeah lets go Unity was extremely slow for me felt clunky and so boring 4 so just .....idk what but not fun Same with rogue 2 for me was forgetable then again my disc fucked up half way thru so i couldnt finish back then so idk ill buy ezio collection n try one day but i cant remember much fun The reason i like the new combat system especially vahalla the most is that when i do get into combat its not shut my brain off mash square or mash break guard/ parry Origins actively made me take in alot location amount of enemies spacing and weapon type of me and opponents i remember fighting phylakes and it was damage spongey yes which is bad but i do remember being on edge and dying cause of my fuck ups this why i say tho valhalla is the best or will be for me (havent played only saw) Its not damage spongey but makes me think like origins But aye this my opinion ur entitled to yours and me to mine
My ranking of the combat: 1. ACB/Rev - Kill streaks are fun and surprisingly cathartic. (Though it made me feel more like Discount Batman rather than an Assassin) 2. AC 1 - Nailed the dichotomy of stealth and combat perfectly and makes you feel most like an assassin. 3. AC Valhalla - It's easily the best of the RPG trilogy and I quite liked the no. of options you have wrt weapons and the stamina kept your dodges in control. Stuns are also very satisfying to pull off. 4. AC 2 - While it does improve on AC 1 quite a lot, I found the AI too damn stagnant to do anything, you can taunt sure but you lack the pressure from AC 1. 5. AC Origins - A shift in paradigm for the series. It didn't make me feel like an assassin but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it. Also it felt fucking grounded out of the RPG games but Valhalla was just way more fun to use. 6. AC Unity - It was a good system in concept but Jesus the gunmen and the input lag ruins it for me. Input lag works for parkour because it is exploitable but in combat, you get fucked harder than Kiryu with the Obatarian. 7. AC 3 - While I do appreciate the challenge, the lack of healthbars and the combat being tied to animations was a bit silly though they looked nice and it got something outta me. 8. AC 4/Rogue - Shit combat, counter spammy, mashy as hell, looks like shit, moving on. 9. AC Odyssey - Spongy mess but at least it is a bit fluid 10. AC Syndicate - It is just a few sound effects short of a loony toons cartoon.
Ngl if they reduced ezio’s health brotherhood’s combat wld be close to perfection. Also I played unity for the first time since 2014 and combat was acc not too bad. Also I’m genuinely shocked coz Walshie kinda praised odyssey by not putting it last
Best possible combat I feel Frankensteins many of these combat elements, adding a few. -Adrenaline to limit how often and how many times you can use your best abilities, earned by feats of skill (headshots/parries/dodges) more than just spamming attacks -Taunting for if you prefer counters over spamming -Side steps and backsteps (Ezio trilogy) over huge dodges and rolls, this isn't Dark Souls - Different weapons serve different purposes- don't let my sword be as useful against heavy armor as a spear, arrow, or axe -Weapon sets- Origin and Odyssey let us switch between types of weapons so we didnt have to menu to change style - Armor that let you mix and match without penalty for not using a whole set (and let us change the cosmetics) -Armor that resists damage types. Let heavy armor slow you down and harder to climb (if at all) but light attacks from light weapons barely affect you. But a dane axe, spear, bow/crossbow, make you concerned. Let MY light attacks with light weapons ping off a heavily armored enemy and i have to change my gear or how i attack them. - All weapons are the same level and don't need upgrades, the weapons don't get better, YOU get better - Enemies of low "level" have very basic attacks, higher "level" get access to more complex attacks you have to better time, predict, and escape. Let threat be dictated by how hard it is to beat them, not damage sponging. -Bows need to be lethal. Headshot kills without helmets. Special shots from adrenaline is ok. -Can we get some real horse combat? You telling me Ezio, Kassandra, and Bayek can swing a sword from a horse but Eivor can't? -Counters only kill weak unarmored enemies. Armor, higher 'level', and enemy types can reduce or negate that damage, but you can't instakill those stronger enemies with a different 1-3 button combo. -Kill chains have to start on weak enemies, chain 4 an armored enemy, chain 5 a 'captain' type enemy. Reward choosing your targets during kill streaks.
so when do u start working at ubisoft so u can tell them "Hey let's look at all our games see what was good then take that and put it in to our new game as well as doing some work to even out a good difficulty and adding new ideas" cuz i want a game like this
@@urbanhellsing831 it is not like Ubi devs are braindead, AC2 sold and was a massive hit and put the franchise as an icon of gaming industry and it probably had the sh^ttiest combat out of all old school AC games. if they make the combat this much difficult aka add this much depth to the combat ppl are gonna whine and complain and wont buy, AC1 combat has the best flow tons of astounding depth. and AC1 with best "Flow" to its combat was called "Janky combat" ffs
I wish they made Eivor as the Hidden ones in the start of the game instead of them making the dlc to find out that Eivor will become the Hidden one in dlc only.
@@calebroberts9935 it’s an assassins creed game first of all it’s in the title, you work closely with the assassins the entire time and we learn is much about the isu in this game
My favorite for pretty much anything except graphics is origins. Origins has an amazing loot system, which makes you earn those legendaries. The story is memorable and bayek actually feels like a person
Ac1 and ac2 are the only two combats I really enjoyed in all of Ac. Unity had potential but as it is right now it dosen't feel better than ac1 and ac2 for me, it only looks better and that's it, it feels sluggish, unresponsive, and janky, also the variety of weapons' stats are bad, since the swords are the superior one out of all of em. Stun bombs are also annoying since it's radius is too big and you can't roll away but instead you have to run away so you can avoid it. Oh and also how can I forget, the enemy can shoot at you if you have crowds all over you, it's so annoying for me trying to escape, like at least make the guards unable shoot civilians because it's against there duty, while the thugs can shoot civilians but the bullet would stop it from going through civilians to make it not hit you.
My personal pick from worst to best: Assassin's Creed 2: This stealth system is a joke due to its awful detection system and the useless poison blade and throwing knives not working. It literally is almost impossible to stealth without Mercanaries, Thieves and Courtesans. Assassin's Creed 3: Has the same issues as AC2 but is slighty better due to the Assassin guild system and trap mines. Assassin's Creed Origins & Odyssey: WHY DID THEY REMOVE THE INSTA KILLS!!?? Assassin's Creed Valhalla: definitely a big upgrade from Origins and Odyssey due to it bringing back insta kill hidden blade kills. But guards detect you way too easily. Assassin's Creed Black Flag & Rogue: these two games probably has the easiest stealth system in any AC game. Being in high profile doesn't matter anymore because you can run and guards can't hear you and also thanks to the blowpipe/Rifle you can distract and put guards to sleep which makes stealthing much easier. The problem is that it's a bit too easy for my liking. Assassin's Creed Brotherhood & Revelations: Much, much MUCH better than AC2, the detection system has been highly improved and the poison blade has been replaced with the poison darts which is much more useful. And throwing knives finally works because Ezio can charge throw with knives taking more guards at once without alerting any guards. Assassin's Creed Unity & Syndicate: This stealth system would actually be the best if it actually functioned every time. However due to it not working all the time guards will see you through walls giving the player some really awful gamer rage, which is enough for me not to put it at the top. Assassin's Creed: This by far is my favorite one because it has the best social stealth system in the franchise. Mastering AC1's stealth system is so satisfying and it's fun to try to blend in with the crowd because that's what made Assassin's Creed's stealth system unique. It wasn't about hiding it was about blending in with the crowd.
I really don't understand your ranking of AC1-Revelations. It's really only driven by intrinsic motivation and totally lacks any external one on account of broken balancing. In an ideally balanced game the overall effectiveness (taking into acount cost and situal variation) is exactly average, there are no outliers. Realistically that state can't be reached but approximated. The problem with those games is that the counter is so extremely powerful that it makes everything else abysmal. There's no reason beyond personal agenda to do anything but standing in the middle and counter killing the entire group one by one. That one matter really ruins an otherwise decent system, although the combo kill introduces similar issues.
this video is 99% nostalgia for the games 1% actual critique of the combat systems. Odyssey, origins and Valhalla all had better combat systems than their predecessors. The oldest ac games (ac1, 2, B and revelations) all had terrible, clunky combat that wasn't rewarding in the slightest. It felt more like you were just waiting for the enemy to attack you to counter and half of the time the counters didn't even start. Ac rouge and 4 had very easy combat that wasn't rewarding in the slightest, but at least it wasn't as clunky as the original 4 games. AC3 had pretty good combat, still suffered from being unrewarding but it was smooth and had a lot more emphasis on actual skill. AC syndicate had comical combat that killed just felt out of place (as did the entire game), Unity was a more refined version of the combat system from syndicate and it felt nice to fight enemies in that game. AC odyssey, origins and Valhalla are obviously the most different but also the most fun, they're smooth, there's a lot of variety in how you can fight enemies. The main downside is that the enemies in odyssey are just incredibly tankey and take ages to kill, although I think this is because they wanted you to use abilities more and wanted you to build up a lot of adrenaline. Valhalla just had bland abilities that weren't too noteworthy, although the variety in weapon choice and effects was nice. origins was the perfect AC combat for me, you could have 2 different bows active at once that you could swap between and the same with weapons. The only real downside was that it wasn't possible to remove the shield and replace it with a weapon of some sort. If you read this far, I started off mad that he put the 3 most recent ones at the bottom, then realised I had written a lot and deleting it would be stupid, so I finished writing it. Thanks for reading through my rant though if you did
I absolutely agree with you. Previous games were too dumb when it comes to combat system. I've played the whole franchise except Revelations and Origins (tried Origins for a few hours but then I thought that deserts are not for me.). Odyssey is the best for me. If you make a proper build, you can assassinate by one strike. And since the enemies detect you more easily, it makes odyssey way more "assassin" than the previous games. (As I said I played Origins for a few hours so I cannot say the difference). I had hoped that Valhalla would go like that but because of shitty nostalgists they changed back to an easier combat. But probably that might not be the only reason. I enjoyed Valhalla though, at least I had a great journey in medieval England as a Viking. Brotherhood was the first ac I played (I had read the novel of AC2 before that but because of some problems with AC2, I had to try Brotherhood first.). I miss it sometimes thanks to Jesper Kyd (ruclips.net/video/HKsNepQ2DwE/видео.html) (ruclips.net/video/bbxtiTtvOW0/видео.html) and my interest for the Renaissance Italy (and for the Borgia family), but then I remember how the combat system sucks (as well as controlling. I say Ezio to go right but then he jumps to the exact opposite side, sigh...) and some missions are just shitty designed (ones like "tail that guy", or optional objects like "don't take damage", "don't let them detect you", "only walk on rooftops" etc.) Some people might say "but it was just perfect for its time." no it was not. I can understand the control problem when parkouring, but the other things are just some shitty mistakes. There were games with much better gameplays than Ac's those times.
I think valhalla would be so good if it wasn't an assassins creed game or if it was more like other asasins creed games. As it is people don't like it because it is too far from the other games but realistically it is fun and makes you feel like a bad ass just not like an assassin
2 over 3 rogue and black flag. Hell nah. Ac 2 in my opinion in like 10 because there are no kill streaks and the only way to really damage anything is counters
imo, although the actual odessy combat is dogshit, the worst part for me is that it is so inaccurate for the time period and it looks so out of place and terrible.
I like syndicate and origins odyssey vahalla combat than again Ac 1 was at least has the best combat machneics so so far. Do hope that the future Ac game has Ac 1 combat or the other one like Ac3 and Ac4 Ac rouge.
How I would rank the combat of the AC games I played from best to worst: 1. *Valhalla* - I personally love all the abilities, weapon variety, archetype variety, and the stun attacks. The combat is not too slow but is still challenging and very satisfying 2. *Odyssey* - Yeah I know a lot will disagree, but personally I have a couple loadouts, 1 being a warrior loadout, so I can kill enemies pretty quickly. I love all the abilities, weapons, and the challenge. 3. *Origins* - It's pretty similar to Odyssey, but with less abilities, so in my opinion it's slightly worse. Still, I do love the weight of Bayek's fighting, and it is still challenging and overall really good. 4. *Unity* - Definitely the best of the classic AC combat mechanics. It's challenging, you have many moves, and it looks amazing and realistic. Still, overall I am more a fan of the RPG combat mechanics of the newer games. 5. *Black Flag* - It looks really cool, and you have many moves, but it's way too easy. You can just press square constantly to kill an entire army. But you can make the combat cool and interesting with _intrinsic motivation_ 6. *Syndicate* - Definitely my least favorite. The weapon options were so boring, it lacked move variety, and it doesn't even look cool. I have also played AC II and AC III, but I didn't play them much, and it was a while ago, so I don't know how I'd rank them exactly, but probably close to Black Flag. If you read this far, here's a cookie 🍪
i will say i i prefer the old old ways of 2- revelations.. but i definitely get your few because the new company systems are fun with the abilities you can have now and it’s not so easy but i feel like the older game had the perfect mix of having a lot in your move set while not being too hard or too easy, but all in all i agree odyssey and valhalla have very fun combat i just hated the same takedown over and over tbh :/
i can't take you seriously any more. AC 1 and 2 barely had combat.AC1, you mostly had to counter and it was instant kill, AC2-revelations was slightly less like that but still easy to do. AC3 had even less of that but still there.
1. Black Flag, it needs more animation and should be less automatic, but its still the most satisfying 2. Valhalla, the axes hammers and longswords are so satisfying to use 3. Ezio Trilogy and AC1, they have the most moves, and its very satisfying to get a counterkill
Odyssey combat was really fun, and they are right. Stacking your warrior tree doesn't make you a better fighter. Creating a good build is the trick. You need gear with aligning perks. If you understand that the combat is incredibly fun. And there isn't one magical build..... Valhalla is really dumbed down considering Odyssey. Odyssey is high risk reward system. You can be a glass canon or a tank if you want.
A mix between valhalla and unity would be great. The look from unity and the real combat without these fantasy elements but with the freedom from valhalla
I just wanted to make a disclaimer, when watching reviews, all of them said that ac valhalas combat was dogshit, and I believed it. But then I actually got the game, and I loved the combat. It was had lost of different enemies, a large variations of weapons, and was actually challenging most times. So im really disapointed that ac black flag got a better score because the combat was SO SO easy. All you had to do was press e, or break their defense, and there was one type of weapon, its just so repetitive.
Of course you favour pressing a button on and on and praise it like there's no tomorrow instead of taking 2 minutes to understand (or search in the dictionary) what a build is. Sticking points in the warrior tree does not mean that you've upgraded your character. What you should've done was focus on the armour sets (you know, like in the other AC games) and make sure that Crit Chance and Crit Damage values are as high as they can be. That's literally it but your biased hatred for Odyssey prevented you from enjoying it. Odyssey was an amazing game, even better than Origins, and your incapability to understand it is the only fault you could ever find.
It’s not fun having to make a build just to be able to kill someone and having to hit them 30 plus times before they die they should listen to there core supports and the people who loved the game from the beginning but it’s so fucking annoying playing against a sponge and it also takes away from the stealth because your blades don’t do shit
@@calebroberts9935 that's just it: if you make a build, a good one, you only have to hit them once or twice on hard mode. It seems that damage sponges are only present in the games owned by people who lack any interest to understand them. The previous games were way worse (damage combo...multiplier?!?! Odyssey doesn't need a multiplier when a good build kills every common enemy in 1-2 hits) but of course you 'og supporters and true fans' are too blind to see the faults of your precious ones... The beauty of Odyssey is you can play literally any way you want as long as you spend 2 minutes on building a great armor. If you like your blades and want them to slice through enemies like butter just use a complete assassin armor with high crit chance and crit damage (T7 has some great builds for this!) and I asure you won't have any problem. It's not THAT hard to understand....
The best thing about ac1 is that most hits happens on the enemies defence their swords. You feel like you weaken their defence to allow for a hit on their body and the enemy can only take one or a few of those hits. This ads so much to the feeling of realism and consequence without sacrificing swiftness or difficulty and I do not understand why they didn't keep this. My ideal system would be based on the ac1 system but with more weapon variety and enemy variety. Enemy AI would also be more aggressive and idealy able to combine their efforts so bigger groups would be an exponentially bigger threat, and in this way encourage stealth. Instead of being levelbased the difficulty should be based on the players skill. Combos, dodges, parrys and counters should require precise timing and the better you are at timing the bigger window you're allowed to deal the most damage afterwards. Also the more difficult the enemy the more precise timing would be required making "boss" enemies actually more challenging and not just more time consuming. And if you mess up the timing of say a dodge you're punished with the next attack being more difficult to deal with so that the enemy just like you is able to combo through you defense and allow for a hit. This would also allow for realistic gear stats. Heavier armor gives you more protection so you can take more damage but your defense is weakened because the armor slows you making the timing of dodges, counters and so harder
Honestly assassins creed origins is still my favorite combat system. The heavy feeling and hit box and how the shield works makes it my favorite. With the shield parry Bakey can stand in front of enemies and just fight, in odyssey and valhalla I just mostly dodged when in tough fights. The rest of the combat systems feel mostly counter and animation based, not my cup of tea.
the combat was also diferent back diferent training diferente levels of armor and weapons tech , the swords were thicker and stubier , while the more advanced and better metal has i be longer and tiner
My favourite combat was in Unity. If it had been more polished it wouldve been even better. Maybe in the next game theu could use that combat system but improve Parts of it
Origins is my personal favorite. With the lack of abilities and the weightiness of each hit (both in damage number and visual effect) make it very immersive, you feel like there's a real danger of getting hit. But you don't feel hopeless because Bayek has a lot of defensive options like the shield and dodging and no stamina. You have to pay attention to the enemies animations and positions to come out on top, just like how things go through your brain in irl fights. Hitbox system can be great for AC game, Ubisoft just has to balance out the speed, animations, and challenges of combat encounters. Valhalla made a lot of good changes, and I hope that they'd stick with the principles used in designing it.
I like the Brotherhood system the most too. It's flashy, fast and brutal. I would like to see maybe AC to perfect it like Batman Arkham or Shadow of war did. AC to me never was a game where I would have to "sweat and cry" like Dark Souls. It always was more for the story and steath to me.
This guy seems to dislike every single aspect of the newer games. From parkour system (agreed) to protagonist (somewhat agree) to combat system (don't really agree), all the older games are ranked higher. Personally, I feel that the combat system in each game is very reflective of the context of the game. Just because it's an Assassin's Creed game does not mean that we are playing an assassin. Bayek and Alexios/Kassandra weren't assassins, and I think the combat system reflects that really well (no insta counter kill and more drawn out fights). The three games I'd say had the most issues with the combat system are (in no particular order): 1. Syndicate. Lack of weapon type and insta counter kills. Given the context and background, these should have been in. 2. Odyssey. Enemy level and HP scaling. Should have been more like Origins. The "superpowers" aren't an issue given that the player character is as close to a human/Isu hybrid as we'll ever get. 3. Black Flag. The tools in the game were outright broken. Given that it's set in the pirate era, the Unity or Origins combat system might have worked better. Just my two cents. Peace.
Valhalla's combat looks like a NFL game AC3 is just cinematics, I am in a GAME not in a movie 1 - Rev looks like they are dancing Syndicate and Odyssey are very unrealistic Blag flag - Rogue are easy Origins combat is very cool and challenging, but a lot of fantasy on it So... Unity has da best combat system
Completely disagree on the Brotherhood combat's placement. I mean, like you said, isn't a combat system that's so easy you it's easier than doing stealth too fundamentally flawed to be at the top spot? There's literally no reason to do stealth in Brotherhood unless you're forced to, because combat is faster/easier. Having a smaller healthbar also wouldn't help because 1) You can't die anyway and 2) It's so rare for enemies to even get any combos on you at all. I also don't think its immersive to be a one-man army who can mow down 50 people on his own. Ezio is supposed to be a great fighter, but he's not a fucking superhero. Unity and AC1 do a far better job at making you feel like a skilled fighter while still being realistic and challenging. Brotherhood's combat is just a shallow power fantasy,
unpopular opinion: new latest ac games have the best combat system. Between brotherhood and rogue the system wasnt a combat system. It was more like a takedown system. Just counter and chain assassination 90% of the time. 1 Enemy, 10 Enemys or 100… doesnt matter its like no difference. 1 and 2 were little bit better but also you could just counter and even if the enemy is at full health you can kill them almost instantly by timing your attacks. The latest games have challenging combat. 1 Enemy is easy but 100 impossible. You have to activly stay in a fight and think what you next move is. The new combat just looks like crap. Unity had a good mix. Hard combat with active fighting but also cool animations. Hands down ac3 system with valhalla look is also worse that valhalla combat with ac3 animations
For me - someone who started AC with Origins and started to play the other games after that - I have to say: I really, really, really, really don´t like the mechanics of the ACs before Origins. It is so boring, like most of all the mechanics of these games. I would really like to play some of these games in a reamke version with fun gameplay mechanics. Yes, might be an odd sight for some of the TRUE AC Fans, but allI can say is that I really tried to enjoy the older titles but - I don´t know, for me, Ubi could renew the hole series with the origins DNA in it, and I would be very happy.
This is the closest I’ve ever been to disliking a walshie video. This has to be the worst combat system ranking ever. You put the original assassins creed combat system above Valhalla’s? What fucking sense does that make. Valhalla’s combat system is way cooler and it actually takes skill to play. I could summarize the original combat System in one word. Counterkill. That’s all it is. Counterkill counterkill counterkill counterkill. And you put that over Valhalla’s? Smh I’m just going to wait for fizhys video sense he has actual taste in combat systems.
I honestly despise Valhalla combat system. The only fun thing about that game is the dismemberment... if origins and odyssey had that, I would prefer them overall. Nothing will beat the combat system of all series of AC2, AC3 and unity though. They should have kept the formula of unity. It was nostalgic.
I think I'm just going to say it Ac unity is not underated it's overated if anything Everyone makes the excuse of "it was rushed" but that's no excuse the game is bad and that's just what it is ~The story was bad imo ~The combat was by far the strongest feature of the game (and even that was near unplayable) ~The parkour was shit (I mean how do you even justify that,it is unplayable) ~Graphics still look stunning but that's about it If they do a unity remake with these problems fixed it would be phenomenal but even then it won't be the best AC because the story is just "bad" (if you take it as an AC games)it's not the worst but it is bad.
I wish assassins creed dived into a more emotional narrative not just some “omg this character who was an allied died and it’s implied i should care about them” let me have a drink with them in game show me their flaws and let me grow attached to them through their humor make them unique and believable!that’s just the characters we come across as for the overall story we’re assassins meaning we should be doing morally ambiguous things that align with such a profession show me the consequences for murdering my targets show me the consequences for not killing them show me my targets fears show me what’s their good qualities show me their bad quality make me question whether what I’m doing is right maybe draw a comparison between a cult and the creed show me how the Templar’s are no better. If games don’t boundaries of what people are comfortable playing then they’ll get stale and feel like the same story is being told over and over again people need to feel something whether it’s sadness,disgust,distress,happiness, Squeamish,shocked,anger,confusion and assassins creed has always been a power fantasy for casual gamers and that’s ok but the narrative needs to compensate.
The RPG combat was 100% the most satisfying (Origins), When I was playing Odyssey I really liked the style and the challenge. The fight felt big and long, not drawn out but it felt rewarding after killing the entire spartan fleet. And this list really depends the difficulty your playing on. AC Brotherhood and revelations is always a close second. The only AC games I've yet to complete is Unity, Syndicate, Valhalla and rogue and the original. ( my pc is too weak to handle Valhalla and the rest but I'm upgrading soon)
For me it’s so annoying you shouldn’t have to make a build if you hit the enemy with a blade they should die like a person really would not being a fucking sponge yk
@@calebroberts9935 yeah true, but The combat before it had 0 skill (from 3 to rogue), the counter window was either as long as the ac movie or was shorter than me blinking and you could kill someone with a single button press (ac4 is one my favorite ac games). Ac brother to revelations was so satisfying but there was no real difficulty. Ac 2 was very good with archetypes and the weaknesses. I'm going to replay origins and odyssey before I touch valhalla. Syndicate was just me spamming tbh.
Some of these assassin's creed veterans need to just leave the AC,AC 2,AC brotherhood alone please stop simping on the old games just because you liked ezio this video is a perfect example of it I've played all the ac games except rogue and the combat in Valhalla and Origins is far better than the older ones wanna know why because the combat in the older games won't last a day in today's generation the combat system was just counter and kill rather than making builds and playing by you style/how you like yes the recent games don't contribute much to the lore but the appreciation needs to be given where it deserves the older AC games were very good but that era is gone now so please just learn to let go .
i found myself feeling almost lazy during syndicate’s combat. it felt so easy and effortless - which it shouldn’t. i should feel excited, my leg should be bouncing as i’m desperately trying to defeat this major boss. it shouldn’t be a fight over within five minutes.
I don't care what any one says. Ac 3 is the most satisfying combat. Theres nothing like leveling 50 red coats just because he bumped me. Very fun and very flashy. The kill cams were just a blast every time
So many people complain about the new trilogy and it’s honest so ignorant and annoying. People will play for 3 seconds and say it’s bad. Not every assassins creed game is the same. Not even origins or odyssey are. All the games are good. Some have better mechanics than others but this split up community is honestly the problem.
I noticed both of your two least favorite AC combat styles are made by Ubisoft Quebec XD I would agree with you aswell. They clearly can't make combat good for AC games
i'd place origins and valhalla over rogue and black flag. i am a souls player 1st and foremost and i respect that i have to play around enemy archetypes and adapt my playstyle. fighting the man at arms in valhalla is far more engaging than both black flag and rogue put together. with other enemies in valhalla they dont recover after a good parry but the MAA does. even the banneret adapts to what i do and i can respect the effort made to make the combat engaging. the early ac games had shit combat in comparison because of one shot counters and disarming the heavies made them trivial instead of a challenge. brotherhood and revelations are also trivial because of combos and unity is amazing but a bit too slow for my tastes. the only bad thing about valhalla is that animation cancelling is too op. if i mistime a parry or commit an extra r1 i can quickly dodge out of my mistake instead of being punished like i would in origins
Valhalla has a good system but there is a big lack of implementation. The whole movement is more like a dark souls thing. Dark souls has a good combat system but it is based ob fighting huge monsters. You cant use that combat for an ac game. The system works but it looks rediciolous. Witcher 3, ghost of tsushima and even ac unity give you the same combat options but look a lot better because there is a better implementation. Its like a mortal combat system in gta. Good system but doesnt fit the game
I feel like if ubisoft hadn't rushed out unity it could have a so much better it really could have been an amazing experience I still really enjoy the game but I feel like if ubisoft had let the programmers have another 6-8 months to fix the bugs and I think the story could have been better but honesty i think the game was great after it was patched
My favourite one is definitely AC Origins. I just think it is way more diversed than any other. And it really takes skill to survive larger groups of people or to beat a boss. (btw, if you think its not so hard, turn up the difficulty)
In my humble opinion I still think Unity has the best combat and Syndicate undoubtedly has the worst one and when I played it I felt like the enemies were punching bags due to the way our character fights with them lol
Unity has a really good combat, if was more polished and with some features of AC3, like use enemies as a shield against bullets, it would be so better than the rpg stuff.
I think the earlier ac combat is better bc if you really think about it an assassin should be fast and alot better at fighting and using weapons then other people and I think the old fighting system really showed the fast kills and smooth movements that an assassin should have ion know tho that's just what I think
I got odyssey recently (have only played the AC2 games and odyssey) and I personally have not found the enemies too spongy but I can see it at times but cheers good video
Great video. I agree on most of your picks but I was finally able to find someone who could put my thoughts about Unity's combat into words, it was because of the input lag that makes it lower on the scale for me.
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You did valhalla dirty bro use something other than daggers
@@darraghmc5173 Why is that dirty?
Could you please make a new: “ranking the series” video
AC: Unity is honesty one of my favorite AC games. If the story had been more memorable, it would possibly be my favorite.
I'd agree on this one. Without a compelling story or a character, Unity is just the gaming epitome of all style no substance.
I feel like if they did a ps5 remake. They could change a couple things
Choose to fight with Elise and save her or chase after Germain and Elise dies making all the future interactions be her as a ghost like she was in the dlc
2. Add cutscenes of Bellic talking working with Arno - clone wars style training. So their relationship seems deeper. Get actor who played Arno to add some dialogue to have with himself to show more growth or how he wrestles with his past.
@@thirstfen Putting dialogue choices in AC is bad. AC has a very distinct style of gameplay, and RPG elements mess that up.
@@maclaren9645 I spend allot of time hoping and wishing for a better version of unity lol
@@GuyIsGoat not a bunch of them just that one
An AC games combat should be simple but with a certain complexity to it. You should use different buttons to use different strikes and different weapons like heavy should add weight . It should be slightly fast like AC 3 and there should be ‘intrinsic movement’ where you can hit one person and move freely tho hit another.
so basically AC1's combat.
simplified looking combat with tons of depth and perfect balance of lethal pseudo-realism where button mashing never works. AC1 has the best "flow state" to its combat in all AC games but it was considered "janky combat" ffs by the fanbase so that aint ever gonna happen.
also faster = ez fun , but weighty and steady combat can be better if done right.
Make a list of the coolest kill animation in ALL AC's! Including Multiplayer, lol
Seems like your opinions are just a little influenced with how much you like the game... AC2 will always be my favorite, but come on...
Honestly i played brotherhood and valhalla and I choose valhalla
Valhalla is garbage tbh... I mean I guess it’s kinda cool they did Vikings but.. this ain’t assassins creed anymore.. honestly odessey is better and origins in combat. Also AC unity and AC 3 are the best for combat too
The new RPG AC games are fucking easy but so boring, why didn't they just look at good combat systems like witcher 3, Dark Souls, Sekiro or something like that?
Honestly ac unity combat is so underrated if not the bugs at launch :(
I agree. It is a bit clunky but I really liked it
Unity's combat isn't underrated. It could've been great but the gunners are broken and there's no way to dodge bullets outside of combat.
@@walkerjohnson9355 yeah.. if they didn't rush the game it probably would be in the top of ac games
@@Ishpreetb264 yea the game was full of bugs if not for the rush and if they actually took they time it might have been among the best ac games
@@Ishpreetb264 i said if not the bugs came could be better after I said it was underrated lol?
What about AC Chronicles China smh
Bruh thats not even main game tf
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Hell yes. I knew what your Number 1 pick would be immediately, and of course. Brotherhood Assassins are capable fighters, and always, always Lethal, no matter the situation they're in.
I think it was you who said Assassins should be "glass cannons" and that always stuck with me. Hope you'll at least forgive me for my Unity placement 😂
@@WalshieYT1 Yeah! And it's fine haha, on a good day, I feel that way about Unity combat too. My top two are your top two. :P
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When playing Odyssey I had to lower the difficulty to the easiest just because enemies took ages to kill and it made bossfights less about challenge and more about being patient enough to chip away at an enormous health bar slowly over the course of 30 minutes.
You’re just using the wrong build man! 😂😂😂 I hate that fucking answer so much!!! I’m sorry I leveled up wrong!?! What the fuck odyssey’s combat is offensively bad!!!!
@@mattbettcher7439 It’s unfortunate too cause I genuinely like most of the combat animations and finishing moves, but they can never be fun when it takes 30 minutes to get to them
@@jvan28 dude I wanna like odyssey so bad!! Before Valhalla I redid loaded it and played for 20 mins and I was like nope I can’t I just can’t!!!
Mate you realize a build means the right armor and swords and the combats more challenging than unity were you just pressed A button LOL try and get good you fucking cheezit
@@jowylongpeen6627 true
AC: unity easily had the best combat, it could’ve been perfected in the later games but they just scrapped it sadly.
As Walshie says, it had the best combat "in concept", but the execution fell flat on it´s face. Basically, it´s a system built around timing and precision, in a game with horrendous input lag and inconsistent mechanics. If the Unity system was as consistent as the AC1-Rev system was, it would easily be the best.
i am really glad to see AC1 so high in this least. i played AC1 recently and absolutely shocked at how good the combat was and how much depth it had despite its simplified looking combat. enemies are deadly and can quickly k^ll you if u are not paying attention but every death is fair
AC fanbase really really doesnt appreciate the combat system of AC1 enough. it hits the perfect balance of pseudo realism and visceral. u had to deal with every different type of enemy in a different tactic
AC unity is really satisfying, but the goofy wobbly impact animations, janky af kill animations and people surviving half a dozen lethal stabs kinda feels video gameish and eventually gonna get to you, but might get tedious a lil cuz arno barely lands decisive blows on enemies despite making clear openings.
The combat design in Brotherhood, AC3, and Unity are by far my favorite in the Assassin's Creed franchise.
The duality between Brotherhood and Unity combat is interesting. They both are very different systems and yet both of them fit this series well.
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Critiques Valhalla’s combat when his playstyle is holding down the lb button over and over
Parry's are so much more satisfying then blocking
@@surefeng671 agreed
@@surefeng671 me be like:parry!!!! Oh you drooped your sword here let me help you *stabs in chest* you are welcome
Exactly! He’s not ranking the best combat systems but he’s ranking lb spamability
@@roa1d-2 Valhalla has become surprisingly one of my top three AC games
I would like to point out that in Origins when fighting with a cursed weapon, combats feel both very tense and are VERY short : it's always kill or be killed (or drop a smoke and run because too many enemies). And I genuinely enjoyed that!
If only they had made the base combat system like that instead of making it restricted to a few weapons, I am fairly certain that no players would have complained about it feeling like a numbers-fest.
Not to mention, Origins had the best melee weapon variety.
@@memecliparchives2254 which all feel very different! I certainly do not play the same with a Sarisa, a Falcata, and a No Border (to name a few cursed weapons I enjoy)!
I agree, fighting with the cursed weapons was way more intense and is pretty satisfying to kill people knowing that a few hits can kill you. It reminds me a bit about ghost of Tsushima’s lethal mode: The bigger risk the bigger the reward.
they are realy broken realy at least for single bosses
@@nonec384 mostly if you did not activate level scaling/if you faced bosses whose stats don't scale despite level scaling. Against the pharaohs of Curse of the Pharaohs, they were not especially broken: it took several overpowers with the Sahalin axe (most powerful cursed weapon) to kill them, and they could kill you in 2-3 hits.
AC1 at #2? I'll take it! The Brotherhood/Rev system is definitely a close second for me, as they're the most enjoyable beyond AC1's. All around, great list!
The only problem I found with unity's combat is that even after the patches (for me) using a one handed sword was the way to go because if I used any other weapon the animations would glitch out and i couldn't tell what was happening. Plus if you learn the just swapping between enemies and just hitting them once to interrupt their animations you can cheese your way through the whole game like that.
To be honest, that is a fairly realistic way to go about it. If you are fighting 3 or more people, the last thing you want to do is to just tunnel vision against one of them, and give free shots to your other enemies.
Origins and valhalla my favorites they have the most fun for me i like that a bunch of guards actually mean something plus its not boring i havent played every ac but rogue black flag unity and 2(games i played)
I found the combat to be boring like i dont remember any moments where i was like fuck yeah lets go
Unity was extremely slow for me felt clunky and so boring
4 so just .....idk what but not fun
Same with rogue
2 for me was forgetable then again my disc fucked up half way thru so i couldnt finish back then so idk ill buy ezio collection n try one day but i cant remember much fun
The reason i like the new combat system especially vahalla the most is that when i do get into combat its not shut my brain off mash square or mash break guard/ parry
Origins actively made me take in alot location amount of enemies spacing and weapon type of me and opponents i remember fighting phylakes and it was damage spongey yes which is bad but i do remember being on edge and dying cause of my fuck ups this why i say tho valhalla is the best or will be for me (havent played only saw)
Its not damage spongey but makes me think like origins
But aye this my opinion ur entitled to yours and me to mine
My ranking of the combat:
1. ACB/Rev - Kill streaks are fun and surprisingly cathartic. (Though it made me feel more like Discount Batman rather than an Assassin)
2. AC 1 - Nailed the dichotomy of stealth and combat perfectly and makes you feel most like an assassin.
3. AC Valhalla - It's easily the best of the RPG trilogy and I quite liked the no. of options you have wrt weapons and the stamina kept your dodges in control. Stuns are also very satisfying to pull off.
4. AC 2 - While it does improve on AC 1 quite a lot, I found the AI too damn stagnant to do anything, you can taunt sure but you lack the pressure from AC 1.
5. AC Origins - A shift in paradigm for the series. It didn't make me feel like an assassin but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it. Also it felt fucking grounded out of the RPG games but Valhalla was just way more fun to use.
6. AC Unity - It was a good system in concept but Jesus the gunmen and the input lag ruins it for me. Input lag works for parkour because it is exploitable but in combat, you get fucked harder than Kiryu with the Obatarian.
7. AC 3 - While I do appreciate the challenge, the lack of healthbars and the combat being tied to animations was a bit silly though they looked nice and it got something outta me.
8. AC 4/Rogue - Shit combat, counter spammy, mashy as hell, looks like shit, moving on.
9. AC Odyssey - Spongy mess but at least it is a bit fluid
10. AC Syndicate - It is just a few sound effects short of a loony toons cartoon.
Ngl if they reduced ezio’s health brotherhood’s combat wld be close to perfection. Also I played unity for the first time since 2014 and combat was acc not too bad.
Also I’m genuinely shocked coz Walshie kinda praised odyssey by not putting it last
Best possible combat I feel Frankensteins many of these combat elements, adding a few.
-Adrenaline to limit how often and how many times you can use your best abilities, earned by feats of skill (headshots/parries/dodges) more than just spamming attacks
-Taunting for if you prefer counters over spamming
-Side steps and backsteps (Ezio trilogy) over huge dodges and rolls, this isn't Dark Souls
- Different weapons serve different purposes- don't let my sword be as useful against heavy armor as a spear, arrow, or axe
-Weapon sets- Origin and Odyssey let us switch between types of weapons so we didnt have to menu to change style
- Armor that let you mix and match without penalty for not using a whole set (and let us change the cosmetics)
-Armor that resists damage types. Let heavy armor slow you down and harder to climb (if at all) but light attacks from light weapons barely affect you. But a dane axe, spear, bow/crossbow, make you concerned. Let MY light attacks with light weapons ping off a heavily armored enemy and i have to change my gear or how i attack them.
- All weapons are the same level and don't need upgrades, the weapons don't get better, YOU get better
- Enemies of low "level" have very basic attacks, higher "level" get access to more complex attacks you have to better time, predict, and escape. Let threat be dictated by how hard it is to beat them, not damage sponging.
-Bows need to be lethal. Headshot kills without helmets. Special shots from adrenaline is ok.
-Can we get some real horse combat? You telling me Ezio, Kassandra, and Bayek can swing a sword from a horse but Eivor can't?
-Counters only kill weak unarmored enemies. Armor, higher 'level', and enemy types can reduce or negate that damage, but you can't instakill those stronger enemies with a different 1-3 button combo.
-Kill chains have to start on weak enemies, chain 4 an armored enemy, chain 5 a 'captain' type enemy. Reward choosing your targets during kill streaks.
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so when do u start working at ubisoft so u can tell them "Hey let's look at all our games see what was good then take that and put it in to our new game as well as doing some work to even out a good difficulty and adding new ideas" cuz i want a game like this
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it is not like Ubi devs are braindead, AC2 sold and was a massive hit and put the franchise as an icon of gaming industry and it probably had the sh^ttiest combat out of all old school AC games.
if they make the combat this much difficult aka add this much depth to the combat ppl are gonna whine and complain and wont buy,
AC1 combat has the best flow tons of astounding depth. and AC1 with best "Flow" to its combat was called "Janky combat" ffs
I wish they made Eivor as the Hidden ones in the start of the game instead of them making the dlc to find out that Eivor will become the Hidden one in dlc only.
Eivor should have become an hidden one after epilogue. It would have been a satisfying ending
@@jaspreetmaan121 facts, I was so mad when he said no to Hytham at the end after Hytham had asked Eivor to join them.
I don’t mind it that much yeah it would be cool but eivor is you know the spoiler know and he has to do a lot to upkeep that
@@pombo565 it’s not an assassin creed game yk where not even an assassin
@@calebroberts9935 it’s an assassins creed game first of all it’s in the title, you work closely with the assassins the entire time and we learn is much about the isu in this game
Unity just felt like the peak of AC
My favorite for pretty much anything except graphics is origins. Origins has an amazing loot system, which makes you earn those legendaries. The story is memorable and bayek actually feels like a person
Ac1 and ac2 are the only two combats I really enjoyed in all of Ac.
Unity had potential but as it is right now it dosen't feel better than ac1 and ac2 for me, it only looks better and that's it, it feels sluggish, unresponsive, and janky, also the variety of weapons' stats are bad, since the swords are the superior one out of all of em. Stun bombs are also annoying since it's radius is too big and you can't roll away but instead you have to run away so you can avoid it.
Oh and also how can I forget, the enemy can shoot at you if you have crowds all over you, it's so annoying for me trying to escape, like at least make the guards unable shoot civilians because it's against there duty, while the thugs can shoot civilians but the bullet would stop it from going through civilians to make it not hit you.
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Can u do a stealth in AC games ranking please?
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My personal pick from worst to best:
Assassin's Creed 2: This stealth system is a joke due to its awful detection system and the useless poison blade and throwing knives not working. It literally is almost impossible to stealth without Mercanaries, Thieves and Courtesans.
Assassin's Creed 3: Has the same issues as AC2 but is slighty better due to the Assassin guild system and trap mines.
Assassin's Creed Origins & Odyssey: WHY DID THEY REMOVE THE INSTA KILLS!!??
Assassin's Creed Valhalla: definitely a big upgrade from Origins and Odyssey due to it bringing back insta kill hidden blade kills. But guards detect you way too easily.
Assassin's Creed Black Flag & Rogue: these two games probably has the easiest stealth system in any AC game. Being in high profile doesn't matter anymore because you can run and guards can't hear you and also thanks to the blowpipe/Rifle you can distract and put guards to sleep which makes stealthing much easier. The problem is that it's a bit too easy for my liking.
Assassin's Creed Brotherhood & Revelations: Much, much MUCH better than AC2, the detection system has been highly improved and the poison blade has been replaced with the poison darts which is much more useful. And throwing knives finally works because Ezio can charge throw with knives taking more guards at once without alerting any guards.
Assassin's Creed Unity & Syndicate: This stealth system would actually be the best if it actually functioned every time. However due to it not working all the time guards will see you through walls giving the player some really awful gamer rage, which is enough for me not to put it at the top.
Assassin's Creed: This by far is my favorite one because it has the best social stealth system in the franchise. Mastering AC1's stealth system is so satisfying and it's fun to try to blend in with the crowd because that's what made Assassin's Creed's stealth system unique. It wasn't about hiding it was about blending in with the crowd.
Thanks dip.... ummm, yeah thx for the ranking!😃
I really don't understand your ranking of AC1-Revelations. It's really only driven by intrinsic motivation and totally lacks any external one on account of broken balancing. In an ideally balanced game the overall effectiveness (taking into acount cost and situal variation) is exactly average, there are no outliers. Realistically that state can't be reached but approximated. The problem with those games is that the counter is so extremely powerful that it makes everything else abysmal. There's no reason beyond personal agenda to do anything but standing in the middle and counter killing the entire group one by one. That one matter really ruins an otherwise decent system, although the combo kill introduces similar issues.
this video is 99% nostalgia for the games 1% actual critique of the combat systems. Odyssey, origins and Valhalla all had better combat systems than their predecessors. The oldest ac games (ac1, 2, B and revelations) all had terrible, clunky combat that wasn't rewarding in the slightest. It felt more like you were just waiting for the enemy to attack you to counter and half of the time the counters didn't even start. Ac rouge and 4 had very easy combat that wasn't rewarding in the slightest, but at least it wasn't as clunky as the original 4 games. AC3 had pretty good combat, still suffered from being unrewarding but it was smooth and had a lot more emphasis on actual skill. AC syndicate had comical combat that killed just felt out of place (as did the entire game), Unity was a more refined version of the combat system from syndicate and it felt nice to fight enemies in that game. AC odyssey, origins and Valhalla are obviously the most different but also the most fun, they're smooth, there's a lot of variety in how you can fight enemies. The main downside is that the enemies in odyssey are just incredibly tankey and take ages to kill, although I think this is because they wanted you to use abilities more and wanted you to build up a lot of adrenaline. Valhalla just had bland abilities that weren't too noteworthy, although the variety in weapon choice and effects was nice. origins was the perfect AC combat for me, you could have 2 different bows active at once that you could swap between and the same with weapons. The only real downside was that it wasn't possible to remove the shield and replace it with a weapon of some sort.
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I absolutely agree with you. Previous games were too dumb when it comes to combat system. I've played the whole franchise except Revelations and Origins (tried Origins for a few hours but then I thought that deserts are not for me.). Odyssey is the best for me. If you make a proper build, you can assassinate by one strike. And since the enemies detect you more easily, it makes odyssey way more "assassin" than the previous games. (As I said I played Origins for a few hours so I cannot say the difference). I had hoped that Valhalla would go like that but because of shitty nostalgists they changed back to an easier combat. But probably that might not be the only reason. I enjoyed Valhalla though, at least I had a great journey in medieval England as a Viking.
Brotherhood was the first ac I played (I had read the novel of AC2 before that but because of some problems with AC2, I had to try Brotherhood first.). I miss it sometimes thanks to Jesper Kyd (ruclips.net/video/HKsNepQ2DwE/видео.html) (ruclips.net/video/bbxtiTtvOW0/видео.html) and my interest for the Renaissance Italy (and for the Borgia family), but then I remember how the combat system sucks (as well as controlling. I say Ezio to go right but then he jumps to the exact opposite side, sigh...) and some missions are just shitty designed (ones like "tail that guy", or optional objects like "don't take damage", "don't let them detect you", "only walk on rooftops" etc.) Some people might say "but it was just perfect for its time." no it was not. I can understand the control problem when parkouring, but the other things are just some shitty mistakes. There were games with much better gameplays than Ac's those times.
I think valhalla would be so good if it wasn't an assassins creed game or if it was more like other asasins creed games. As it is people don't like it because it is too far from the other games but realistically it is fun and makes you feel like a bad ass just not like an assassin
2 over 3 rogue and black flag. Hell nah. Ac 2 in my opinion in like 10 because there are no kill streaks and the only way to really damage anything is counters
Ac unity has my favorite and Valhalla/origins/odyssey is the bane of my existence
The difference between how long it takes to kill someone in Odyssey and brotherhood/revalations is acc funny 😂😂😂
Great list
imo, although the actual odessy combat is dogshit, the worst part for me is that it is so inaccurate for the time period and it looks so out of place and terrible.
Tell that to valhalla
@@the_seer_0421 I haven't played Valhalla yet although I assume its the same.
@@christos49 yeah, more or less
I like syndicate and origins odyssey vahalla combat than again Ac 1 was at least has the best combat machneics so so far. Do hope that the future Ac game has Ac 1 combat or the other one like Ac3 and Ac4 Ac rouge.
Sorta hard when an early ac game fanboy ranks later games..
Finally, someone who appreciates AC1 combat for what it is
It's really really good
Maaaan tht intro is sick!
How I would rank the combat of the AC games I played from best to worst:
1. *Valhalla* - I personally love all the abilities, weapon variety, archetype variety, and the stun attacks. The combat is not too slow but is still challenging and very satisfying
2. *Odyssey* - Yeah I know a lot will disagree, but personally I have a couple loadouts, 1 being a warrior loadout, so I can kill enemies pretty quickly. I love all the abilities, weapons, and the challenge.
3. *Origins* - It's pretty similar to Odyssey, but with less abilities, so in my opinion it's slightly worse. Still, I do love the weight of Bayek's fighting, and it is still challenging and overall really good.
4. *Unity* - Definitely the best of the classic AC combat mechanics. It's challenging, you have many moves, and it looks amazing and realistic. Still, overall I am more a fan of the RPG combat mechanics of the newer games.
5. *Black Flag* - It looks really cool, and you have many moves, but it's way too easy. You can just press square constantly to kill an entire army. But you can make the combat cool and interesting with _intrinsic motivation_
6. *Syndicate* - Definitely my least favorite. The weapon options were so boring, it lacked move variety, and it doesn't even look cool.
I have also played AC II and AC III, but I didn't play them much, and it was a while ago, so I don't know how I'd rank them exactly, but probably close to Black Flag.
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i will say i i prefer the old old ways of 2- revelations.. but i definitely get your few because the new company systems are fun with the abilities you can have now and it’s not so easy but i feel like the older game had the perfect mix of having a lot in your move set while not being too hard or too easy, but all in all i agree odyssey and valhalla have very fun combat i just hated the same takedown over and over tbh :/
i can't take you seriously any more. AC 1 and 2 barely had combat.AC1, you mostly had to counter and it was instant kill, AC2-revelations was slightly less like that but still easy to do. AC3 had even less of that but still there.
@TheDepressedDraugr no, i did finish the game when it was first released, a lot of it for me was easy counter kills.
The only thing i dont like about the older oves is that the enemies you are not focused on wont attack you just stand there and wait for their turn.
I really don’t get how anyone can stand the ac2 combat system
Neither tbh
1. Black Flag, it needs more animation and should be less automatic, but its still the most satisfying
2. Valhalla, the axes hammers and longswords are so satisfying to use
3. Ezio Trilogy and AC1, they have the most moves, and its very satisfying to get a counterkill
Odyssey combat was really fun, and they are right. Stacking your warrior tree doesn't make you a better fighter.
Creating a good build is the trick. You need gear with aligning perks. If you understand that the combat is incredibly fun.
And there isn't one magical build..... Valhalla is really dumbed down considering Odyssey.
Odyssey is high risk reward system. You can be a glass canon or a tank if you want.
A mix between valhalla and unity would be great. The look from unity and the real combat without these fantasy elements but with the freedom from valhalla
My favorit is brother hood and assasins creed 3
I just wanted to make a disclaimer, when watching reviews, all of them said that ac valhalas combat was dogshit, and I believed it. But then I actually got the game, and I loved the combat. It was had lost of different enemies, a large variations of weapons, and was actually challenging most times. So im really disapointed that ac black flag got a better score because the combat was SO SO easy. All you had to do was press e, or break their defense, and there was one type of weapon, its just so repetitive.
Of course you favour pressing a button on and on and praise it like there's no tomorrow instead of taking 2 minutes to understand (or search in the dictionary) what a build is. Sticking points in the warrior tree does not mean that you've upgraded your character. What you should've done was focus on the armour sets (you know, like in the other AC games) and make sure that Crit Chance and Crit Damage values are as high as they can be. That's literally it but your biased hatred for Odyssey prevented you from enjoying it. Odyssey was an amazing game, even better than Origins, and your incapability to understand it is the only fault you could ever find.
It’s not fun having to make a build just to be able to kill someone and having to hit them 30 plus times before they die they should listen to there core supports and the people who loved the game from the beginning but it’s so fucking annoying playing against a sponge and it also takes away from the stealth because your blades don’t do shit
@@calebroberts9935 that's just it: if you make a build, a good one, you only have to hit them once or twice on hard mode. It seems that damage sponges are only present in the games owned by people who lack any interest to understand them. The previous games were way worse (damage combo...multiplier?!?! Odyssey doesn't need a multiplier when a good build kills every common enemy in 1-2 hits) but of course you 'og supporters and true fans' are too blind to see the faults of your precious ones... The beauty of Odyssey is you can play literally any way you want as long as you spend 2 minutes on building a great armor. If you like your blades and want them to slice through enemies like butter just use a complete assassin armor with high crit chance and crit damage (T7 has some great builds for this!) and I asure you won't have any problem. It's not THAT hard to understand....
AC1’s counter grabs 🔥
The best thing about ac1 is that most hits happens on the enemies defence their swords. You feel like you weaken their defence to allow for a hit on their body and the enemy can only take one or a few of those hits. This ads so much to the feeling of realism and consequence without sacrificing swiftness or difficulty and I do not understand why they didn't keep this.
My ideal system would be based on the ac1 system but with more weapon variety and enemy variety. Enemy AI would also be more aggressive and idealy able to combine their efforts so bigger groups would be an exponentially bigger threat, and in this way encourage stealth.
Instead of being levelbased the difficulty should be based on the players skill. Combos, dodges, parrys and counters should require precise timing and the better you are at timing the bigger window you're allowed to deal the most damage afterwards.
Also the more difficult the enemy the more precise timing would be required making "boss" enemies actually more challenging and not just more time consuming.
And if you mess up the timing of say a dodge you're punished with the next attack being more difficult to deal with so that the enemy just like you is able to combo through you defense and allow for a hit.
This would also allow for realistic gear stats. Heavier armor gives you more protection so you can take more damage but your defense is weakened because the armor slows you making the timing of dodges, counters and so harder
Best combat ranking vid I've come across. I completely agree, but I can't remember Brotherhood and Revelations but I trust you.
Am I the only one who genuinely loves origins combat 😅
Yeah I hate the new system it shouldn’t be an rpg
Honestly assassins creed origins is still my favorite combat system. The heavy feeling and hit box and how the shield works makes it my favorite. With the shield parry Bakey can stand in front of enemies and just fight, in odyssey and valhalla I just mostly dodged when in tough fights. The rest of the combat systems feel mostly counter and animation based, not my cup of tea.
the combat was also diferent back diferent training diferente levels of armor and weapons tech , the swords were thicker and stubier , while the more advanced and better metal has i be longer and tiner
My favourite combat was in Unity. If it had been more polished it wouldve been even better. Maybe in the next game theu could use that combat system but improve Parts of it
Origins is my personal favorite. With the lack of abilities and the weightiness of each hit (both in damage number and visual effect) make it very immersive, you feel like there's a real danger of getting hit. But you don't feel hopeless because Bayek has a lot of defensive options like the shield and dodging and no stamina. You have to pay attention to the enemies animations and positions to come out on top, just like how things go through your brain in irl fights.
Hitbox system can be great for AC game, Ubisoft just has to balance out the speed, animations, and challenges of combat encounters. Valhalla made a lot of good changes, and I hope that they'd stick with the principles used in designing it.
I can't believe he put Assassins creed 1 and 2 on top 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s better than the rpgs but unity should have been number one
@@calebroberts9935 I absolutely agree with you, unity is sooo underrated.
@@cristianserret4190 100% if it wasn’t for the bugs and it being so rushed I feel like the games now would have similar combat to it
>AC Unity ranked higher than Black Flag and Valhalla’s combat.
Lolwut?
I like the Brotherhood system the most too. It's flashy, fast and brutal. I would like to see maybe AC to perfect it like Batman Arkham or Shadow of war did. AC to me never was a game where I would have to "sweat and cry" like Dark Souls. It always was more for the story and steath to me.
Woah, odyssey not at the bottom of a walshie list. You alright there? Lol
Origins and Valhalla have great combat systems. They're brutal and fast and I love them.
This guy seems to dislike every single aspect of the newer games. From parkour system (agreed) to protagonist (somewhat agree) to combat system (don't really agree), all the older games are ranked higher.
Personally, I feel that the combat system in each game is very reflective of the context of the game. Just because it's an Assassin's Creed game does not mean that we are playing an assassin. Bayek and Alexios/Kassandra weren't assassins, and I think the combat system reflects that really well (no insta counter kill and more drawn out fights).
The three games I'd say had the most issues with the combat system are (in no particular order):
1. Syndicate. Lack of weapon type and insta counter kills. Given the context and background, these should have been in.
2. Odyssey. Enemy level and HP scaling. Should have been more like Origins. The "superpowers" aren't an issue given that the player character is as close to a human/Isu hybrid as we'll ever get.
3. Black Flag. The tools in the game were outright broken. Given that it's set in the pirate era, the Unity or Origins combat system might have worked better.
Just my two cents. Peace.
Valhalla's combat looks like a NFL game
AC3 is just cinematics, I am in a GAME not in a movie
1 - Rev looks like they are dancing
Syndicate and Odyssey are very unrealistic
Blag flag - Rogue are easy
Origins combat is very cool and challenging, but a lot of fantasy on it
So...
Unity has da best combat system
Completely disagree on the Brotherhood combat's placement. I mean, like you said, isn't a combat system that's so easy you it's easier than doing stealth too fundamentally flawed to be at the top spot? There's literally no reason to do stealth in Brotherhood unless you're forced to, because combat is faster/easier. Having a smaller healthbar also wouldn't help because 1) You can't die anyway and 2) It's so rare for enemies to even get any combos on you at all. I also don't think its immersive to be a one-man army who can mow down 50 people on his own. Ezio is supposed to be a great fighter, but he's not a fucking superhero. Unity and AC1 do a far better job at making you feel like a skilled fighter while still being realistic and challenging. Brotherhood's combat is just a shallow power fantasy,
In my opinion
AC ODDYSEY 3/10
AC2 8/10
AC 3 9/10
AC ROGUE 9/10
AC Black Flag 10/10
AC UNity 10/10
AC Origin 4/10
AC1 7/10
Valhalla I didnt play it/10
unpopular opinion: new latest ac games have the best combat system.
Between brotherhood and rogue the system wasnt a combat system. It was more like a takedown system. Just counter and chain assassination 90% of the time. 1 Enemy, 10 Enemys or 100… doesnt matter its like no difference. 1 and 2 were little bit better but also you could just counter and even if the enemy is at full health you can kill them almost instantly by timing your attacks.
The latest games have challenging combat. 1 Enemy is easy but 100 impossible. You have to activly stay in a fight and think what you next move is.
The new combat just looks like crap. Unity had a good mix. Hard combat with active fighting but also cool animations. Hands down ac3 system with valhalla look is also worse that valhalla combat with ac3 animations
For me - someone who started AC with Origins and started to play the other games after that - I have to say: I really, really, really, really don´t like the mechanics of the ACs before Origins.
It is so boring, like most of all the mechanics of these games.
I would really like to play some of these games in a reamke version with fun gameplay mechanics.
Yes, might be an odd sight for some of the TRUE AC Fans, but allI can say is that I really tried to enjoy the older titles but - I don´t know, for me, Ubi could renew the hole series with the origins DNA in it, and I would be very happy.
This is the closest I’ve ever been to disliking a walshie video. This has to be the worst combat system ranking ever. You put the original assassins creed combat system above Valhalla’s? What fucking sense does that make. Valhalla’s combat system is way cooler and it actually takes skill to play. I could summarize the original combat System in one word. Counterkill. That’s all it is. Counterkill counterkill counterkill counterkill. And you put that over Valhalla’s? Smh I’m just going to wait for fizhys video sense he has actual taste in combat systems.
I honestly despise Valhalla combat system. The only fun thing about that game is the dismemberment... if origins and odyssey had that, I would prefer them overall. Nothing will beat the combat system of all series of AC2, AC3 and unity though.
They should have kept the formula of unity. It was nostalgic.
I'd swap Valhalla and Unity out but okay...
Hell no.
Wait do you really think Valhalla’s was better than unity?
I think I'm just going to say it
Ac unity is not underated it's overated if anything
Everyone makes the excuse of "it was rushed" but that's no excuse the game is bad and that's just what it is
~The story was bad imo
~The combat was by far the strongest feature of the game (and even that was near unplayable)
~The parkour was shit (I mean how do you even justify that,it is unplayable)
~Graphics still look stunning but that's about it
If they do a unity remake with these problems fixed it would be phenomenal but even then it won't be the best AC because the story is just "bad" (if you take it as an AC games)it's not the worst but it is bad.
I just finished watching the video, I must say you don't miss walshie this ranking was spot on good job 👏👏
I wish assassins creed dived into a more emotional narrative not just some “omg this character who was an allied died and it’s implied i should care about them” let me have a drink with them in game show me their flaws and let me grow attached to them through their humor make them unique and believable!that’s just the characters we come across as for the overall story we’re assassins meaning we should be doing morally ambiguous things that align with such a profession show me the consequences for murdering my targets show me the consequences for not killing them show me my targets fears show me what’s their good qualities show me their bad quality make me question whether what I’m doing is right maybe draw a comparison between a cult and the creed show me how the Templar’s are no better. If games don’t boundaries of what people are comfortable playing then they’ll get stale and feel like the same story is being told over and over again people need to feel something whether it’s sadness,disgust,distress,happiness,
Squeamish,shocked,anger,confusion and assassins creed has always been a power fantasy for casual gamers and that’s ok but the narrative needs to compensate.
The RPG combat was 100% the most satisfying (Origins), When I was playing Odyssey I really liked the style and the challenge. The fight felt big and long, not drawn out but it felt rewarding after killing the entire spartan fleet. And this list really depends the difficulty your playing on. AC Brotherhood and revelations is always a close second. The only AC games I've yet to complete is Unity, Syndicate, Valhalla and rogue and the original. ( my pc is too weak to handle Valhalla and the rest but I'm upgrading soon)
For me it’s so annoying you shouldn’t have to make a build if you hit the enemy with a blade they should die like a person really would not being a fucking sponge yk
@@calebroberts9935 yeah true, but The combat before it had 0 skill (from 3 to rogue), the counter window was either as long as the ac movie or was shorter than me blinking and you could kill someone with a single button press (ac4 is one my favorite ac games). Ac brother to revelations was so satisfying but there was no real difficulty. Ac 2 was very good with archetypes and the weaknesses. I'm going to replay origins and odyssey before I touch valhalla. Syndicate was just me spamming tbh.
Some of these assassin's creed veterans need to just leave the AC,AC 2,AC brotherhood alone please stop simping on the old games just because you liked ezio this video is a perfect example of it I've played all the ac games except rogue and the combat in Valhalla and Origins is far better than the older ones wanna know why because the combat in the older games won't last a day in today's generation the combat system was just counter and kill rather than making builds and playing by you style/how you like yes the recent games don't contribute much to the lore but the appreciation needs to be given where it deserves the older AC games were very good but that era is gone now so please just learn to let go .
i found myself feeling almost lazy during syndicate’s combat. it felt so easy and effortless - which it shouldn’t. i should feel excited, my leg should be bouncing as i’m desperately trying to defeat this major boss. it shouldn’t be a fight over within five minutes.
I don't care what any one says. Ac 3 is the most satisfying combat. Theres nothing like leveling 50 red coats just because he bumped me. Very fun and very flashy. The kill cams were just a blast every time
So many people complain about the new trilogy and it’s honest so ignorant and annoying. People will play for 3 seconds and say it’s bad. Not every assassins creed game is the same. Not even origins or odyssey are. All the games are good. Some have better mechanics than others but this split up community is honestly the problem.
I noticed both of your two least favorite AC combat styles are made by Ubisoft Quebec XD I would agree with you aswell. They clearly can't make combat good for AC games
i'd place origins and valhalla over rogue and black flag. i am a souls player 1st and foremost and i respect that i have to play around enemy archetypes and adapt my playstyle. fighting the man at arms in valhalla is far more engaging than both black flag and rogue put together. with other enemies in valhalla they dont recover after a good parry but the MAA does. even the banneret adapts to what i do and i can respect the effort made to make the combat engaging. the early ac games had shit combat in comparison because of one shot counters and disarming the heavies made them trivial instead of a challenge. brotherhood and revelations are also trivial because of combos and unity is amazing but a bit too slow for my tastes.
the only bad thing about valhalla is that animation cancelling is too op. if i mistime a parry or commit an extra r1 i can quickly dodge out of my mistake instead of being punished like i would in origins
Valhalla has a good system but there is a big lack of implementation. The whole movement is more like a dark souls thing. Dark souls has a good combat system but it is based ob fighting huge monsters. You cant use that combat for an ac game. The system works but it looks rediciolous. Witcher 3, ghost of tsushima and even ac unity give you the same combat options but look a lot better because there is a better implementation. Its like a mortal combat system in gta. Good system but doesnt fit the game
I feel like if ubisoft hadn't rushed out unity it could have a so much better it really could have been an amazing experience I still really enjoy the game but I feel like if ubisoft had let the programmers have another 6-8 months to fix the bugs and I think the story could have been better but honesty i think the game was great after it was patched
My favourite one is definitely AC Origins. I just think it is way more diversed than any other. And it really takes skill to survive larger groups of people or to beat a boss. (btw, if you think its not so hard, turn up the difficulty)
In my humble opinion I still think Unity has the best combat and Syndicate undoubtedly has the worst one and when I played it I felt like the enemies were punching bags due to the way our character fights with them lol
Unity has a really good combat, if was more polished and with some features of AC3, like use enemies as a shield against bullets, it would be so better than the rpg stuff.
I think the earlier ac combat is better bc if you really think about it an assassin should be fast and alot better at fighting and using weapons then other people and I think the old fighting system really showed the fast kills and smooth movements that an assassin should have ion know tho that's just what I think
0:24 That is a fucking EXCELLENT segue lol
Every time I hear youtubers talk about Odyssey I'm always baffled because evidently I did not play the same game as them...
Its hilarious how the spear is supposed to be a powerful, reality bending Isu tech but cant assassinate an enemy just 1 level above you, first try
I got odyssey recently (have only played the AC2 games and odyssey) and I personally have not found the enemies too spongy but I can see it at times but cheers good video
My list would be the same but I would have odyssey as the worst cause of syndicate hand to hand combat which I found kind of satisfying
“Arkham combat if you played the Riddler” my gut split open😂😂😂😂
Great video. I agree on most of your picks but I was finally able to find someone who could put my thoughts about Unity's combat into words, it was because of the input lag that makes it lower on the scale for me.
The combat is only fun in Syndicate when an enemy charges at you and you pull your fucking gun out and shoot them dead.
The RPG assassins creed games work well as RPG games but don’t work well as true assassins creed games
The only way this list could be more wrong is if you had put Black Flag as number 1.