@@Faust.layout thanks for making it sensible. I've become accustomed to typing on my Surface Go and the WM2 layout is virtually identical. Nice quick learning curve when I get my WM2.
We French fellows are using altgr as well and since it's a common keys for bigger keyboards, and used specifically for typical symbols, I thought that it made sense.
I love companies that make weird, unique products that work well. Gives the industry a nice bit of spice to shake up a lot of the very standard options we've got out there.
Wow this is an awesome device for a college student. Put the little covers on and take it to class for notes and work, casual gaming on the side without the need for accessories or a separate device, and it seems to be about the size of a notebook for easy transport. Carrying around a 15 inch laptop has always been a major pain. Love it!
i love GPD, every time they present something it just gets a tiny little bit better and cooler. The PC space would be boring without quirky mobile devices :D
The device's port is USB4, but since you're hooking up a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU enlosure, the protocol connecting these two is Thunderbolt 3, since USB4 can be backwards compatible to TBT3, even on non-intel devices, since intel contributed the TBT3 specs to the USB-IF, which used them to create USB4. But yeah, it's awesome that we have thunderbolt-compatability on AMD devices now.
Also consider this video was most likely recorded before the USB 4 2.0 80 Gbps announcement. Which is a bummer considering the fact I wanted to see a reviewer test this model in that speed.
Just remember that USB4 does not _necessarily_ support "PCIe Tunneling" (what lets you hook up external GPUs). A lot of USB4 is, unfortunately, optional. At minimum, it just supports USB 3.2 Tunneling at 10 Gbit/s (or is it 20 Gbit/s? I keep finding conflicting information about this)! So you still need to check what you're actually getting. -This was also true for Thunderbolt 3, afaik, by the way.- And Thunderbolt 4 is basically USB4/TB3 with most (all?) of the "optional boxes" ticked, from my understanding. Man, is this ever going to get less confusing...
@@Blacklands PCIe Tunneling is NOT optional on Thunderbolt, all versions of the standard (even old Thunderbolt 1/2 ports with Mini DP connector) supports it...
@@mbc07 Seems you're right! Seems Thunderbolt always PCIe, Thunderbolt 3 just isn't necessarily 40 Gbit/s. Thunderbolt 4 apparently sets the minimum speed to 32 Gbit/s? And TB has a minimum speed of 16 Gbit/s.
Absolutely. This isn't about whether you prefer AMD or Intel, it's about both actively pushing progress and giving the customers amazing new hardware with competitive prices.
@@BerserkFury89 Yep. Whether you’re pro AMD, pro Intel, or just love tech, you’re getting something out of that healthy competition. It’s great to see. I’m just happy to have good choices. My loyalty is to my wallet.
Competition only works when people support multiple options, PC gamers can’t stop giving Nvidia almost all their GPU money. Yet they expect AMD to somehow have the budget to improve their graphics cards and match features like DLSS. Fingers crossed Intel Arc sorts itself out and gains market share too.
This literally is the ultimate all in one productivity and gaming laptop, I love my steam deck but I wouldn’t at all consider using it for work without some dongle and leads nightmare
Yeah when Linus said that there's a lot of people just using the deck as an all in one laptop computer and gaming device I was like "what!?!?" LOL f that I use my deck for games and that's it. If you're a student a gaming laptop or this would suit way better than a deck
@@TheAkashicTraveller Nah. Base steam deck price is $400. Surprisingly, you can buy a laptop with a better APU for around that price. It's still surprising that the deck is at that price point and has high quality sensors, analog sticks, and a nice screen though.
@@TheAkashicTraveller It's cheap for a portable gaming rig, and Valve's strategy is giving away the razor to sell the blades (the focus on the Steam library). That said using it as a regular computer is very much a slapped on "Sure it CAN do that" feature that by the nature of linux is possible but not as great of a solution as this GPD unit.
@@manavsharma2232 what laptop comes with RDNA 2 graphics and 16gb of ram for $400? You need to spend double that to get a laptop with specs even close to what’s in the Steam Deck.. For comparison this device Linus just reviewed is $3200 USD. Steam Deck is amazing value.
4:55 Holding R2 (Right Trigger) should speed the cursor up, or at least it used to in every single GPD Win device before this. Also, in my opinion, GPD has the best "Mouse Mapping" on a controller ever. I replicated the same configuration on my Steam Deck's desktop mode as best as I could as well. It's just really well thought out. 5:38 It may be bigger than the Steam Deck, but close the lid on the Win Max 2 and put both devices in their cases, and the Win Max 2 will become WAY more portable than the Steam Deck. Steam Deck in its official case takes up a massive amount of space. It is both wider by about 30% and DOUBLE in thickness.
@@nickthaskater It may not need one to protect the screen, but I still like to put my Win Max 2021 in a snug sleeve case. I carry many random and often sharp things in my backpack. I'd rather not scratch its body.
I have been looking for a powerful and flexible small laptop for a while, this thing literally nails every single thing I wanted and so much more! I just ordered the 32GB/2TB version, can't wait to receive it! Thanks for keeping us updated on new and unique stuff that we may not otherwise hear much about!
You don’t need to reboot or use the BIOS to change TDP. There is a batch file as well as an app that does it on the fly from Windows desktop. There are videos out there if this being done.
@@fritzkier Sorry, but you miss the point. Linus incorrectly states that currently the Max2 needs to be restarted and change BIOS settings to change TDP. That is incorrect and has been for a long time. It does not currently have a slick app like Aya, but there are at least 2 very easy methods that can do it on the fly from the desktop.
It's weird that a channel like this couldn't be bothered to look for such things. There's literally multiple ways of changing TDP, even better than what the Ayaspace can do.
@@tappersreviews4677 You must be absolutely daft. A batch file is NOT user intuitive at all. And unless the manufacturer specifically states and provides the app it doesn't count. You sound like a Linux user that thinks adding random PPA's from the internet is a good idea.
@@TheEchelon1619 you’ve just outed yourself as utterly ignorant. If you’d bother actually learning about what is being referenced, you’d know both the batch and the app are very easy to use. Literally run, then press a key or click a box. There is nothing difficult about them, and I’m not a Linux user. They just aren’t as slick as what Deck or Aya have right now.
You can probably fix the palm rejection issues in windows mouse settings. I forgot the name of the setting but there's a sensitivity you can adjust and setting it to "most sensitive" disables palm rejection and usually fixes those issues. I ran into the same thing on a newish Asus notebook trackpad.
I bought one of your screw drivers Linus. I watched the Project Farm video and you screw driver made a really good showing. It was a destructive test but it was indeed tough. Three years worked out in the end. Nice Job to the engineering team.
I love how you love these handheld gaming computers. Kinda like Mr. Mobile's love for folding screens. I have no interest in the former, but hell, I enjoy these videos more than most others you produce (and I watch every video you produce, 4k, full screen, before watching any other content when I first sit down after work) because of your sheer enthusiasm for the product category. Great job LMG. Have a good night :)
8:03 This was explained by a GPD employee on the unofficial GPD discord channel; the prototypes are 72 w/h, the retail ones are 67 w/h. Also the ram is not 5400MT/s but 6400. It's 5400 on the 1260P model but that model is not for sale anymore. And finally, there are lots of programs that you can use to change tdp with; amd system deck which is supplied by gpd, project sbc's power control panel v2, and ciphray's TDP bat file (you can find it on the gpd discord)
@@adultinggamer Because the crowdfunding campaign only "sold" about 40 units, whereas AMD "sold" several thousand. Those who ordered the Intel version will still get it, but no new orders are allowed.
OH my god. Thank you for advertising Rocksmith. I tried to teach myself to play guitar like 20 years ago but got frustrated and gave up. I'm about to buy a guitar and use my love of technology to teach myself how to play.
I love this current trend of making one device that you can use for everything. As someone who has a gaming PC, a macbook as a workstation and a steam deck for more console-style gaming, having that all be replaced by a single device sounds amazing
I still remember buying the original GPD Win back in 2016, when it was one of the only gaming PC handhelds, if not the only one. I loved that it was practically the size of a 3DS. It couldn't play much, but the idea behind it was incredible. I remember playing a lot of Fallout 3 on it.
@@jessica49arrow By today’s standards it would be pretty lacking. There had to be dedicated buttons for L3 & R3 because the sticks couldn’t click in. The fan that cools the system was not set up to automatically detect the heat of the processor so there was a dedicated switch to turn the fan on high, low, or off. The device itself does get pretty warm on the back when gaming on it. The biggest thing is though is it’s not really a gaming APU. You’re lucky if you can play any 3D games. As I was saying Fallout 3 was one of the exceptions, but I’m sure I was barely getting over 30fps, probably everything set to low, and probably below 720p resolution. At the time though there was nothing else like it, it was amazing to me, and watching The Phawx do everything he could to get games to run on it was always thrilling. I feel Iike GPD had no competition until around when the third iteration came out.
Awesome! We are getting back to the era of experimenting with tech. I wasn't even born in the 90s but I get my mind blown when I see the crazy stuff they were doing by then
From what i remember in the 90's the motto was "don't bother talking about your new top PC because it will be old news in a month" especially in the latest years when AMD was hitting hard with their AMD64. It was the age of the MHz and GHz fight where a new higher clock CPU released almost every month and those days those higher clocks made much more difference than now. New generation GPUs were getting yearly releases as well like smartphones after Nvidia and ATI(ATi is the company AMD bought so they can start making GPu's) appeared and their GPU war started. Mobile phones were getting better everyday and PalmOS was innovating with portable smartphone like devices. Things were wild from 94 to 2002 something. And now we have similar circumstances. AMD has found their mojo back forcing Intel to wake up and CPU wars starting, their GPU's are also catching to nVidia with even Intel entering the market and mobile devices and smartphone wars are going great with AMD and Intel making good laptop low powered APu's, while the ARM type APU's wars are going big with Qualcomm, Mediatec, Apple and Samsung+AMD being in full fight. The only problem with today's age is this horrible politicians and globalists that created a big inflation and an economic and energy crisis that made things go slower this last 2 years.
I've been waiting for this channel to review this device. I noticed that 4g LTE wasn't mentioned. However I'm super excited to get my hands on this PC. I also would of liked to see how it performed on a dual screen setup.
@@AmaryIIion It's gone up in price a bit and is now ~$1k for the base model with 16GB RAM + 1T storage, and $1.2k for the 32G RAM model. The LTE card itself is another $80.
Even though I wouldn't actually have any use for one, nor could I realistically afford it, I still get really excited when you feature these GPD handheld-laptop-whatever devices. I have no idea why, but I'm super into them :D
On the fly TDP switching: There is a tool "Motion Assistant" that adds the ability, though the bios setting acts as the upper limit. It also allows fine-tuning the GPU frequency, which in some other video was shown to allow reaching the same FPS at up to 25% lower TDP.
"Narrow aspect ratios." Me who remembers 4:3 being standard. :/ 16:9 was so awesome at the time, I was working in Photoshop and there was just so much more space to work on screen.
@@WhereAllYourDeletedCommentsGo 16:9 is OK for content, but if you have OS that has taskbar and program with menus the effective aspect ratio is more like 21:9 instead of 16:9, so additional height of 16:10 makes a huge improvement in program usability. 3:2 or 16:10 FTW
Honestly, GPD has been such a win. It's so rare for a company to consistently put out good stuff. I legit love when these reviews come out purely because of how excited Linus always is about the product.
@@JoshuaLotion Linus is always enthusiastic about handhelds. ALWAYS. And he actively used to warn people about GPD specifically when he did videos on their first products because they were fresh. But he was always enthusiastic about the product and GPD just kept delivering so he stopped warning people about them. Also, GPD didn’t even sponsor the video. It was Zoho and Rocksmith. So no, it’s not an ad.
Ya ads by law are required to be disclosed, there was a huge crackdown on it on youtube a bit back, and i don't think Linus or his legal people would let that happen.
Can't wait for mine! I hoped the Win3 would be my small do-it-all system but the keyboard killed it. This thing seems practically perfect and I dropped way too much money on a maxed out unit and a 2TB gen4 ssd to install when it gets here
@@NexXxus86 The Win4 looks good but another thing I found with the Win3 is how limiting that form factor is. For gaming it's great but not so much for anything else.
I got the almost fully decked out one with 2 tb but only 16gb ram.. Cannot wait for it. Just got my steam deck.. Will sell it once they ship my gpdwinmax
Can't wait for mine too. I have always thought gpd small labtops were really cool, then I saw this thing. Portable, it games well, productivity, nice keyboard, controller, usb4. This checkmarks so much... I had to have this in my life. Now I will make my fiancée even more mad when I start looking at egpu's. I got the aw3423dw this year and a 3080 ti as well as the 5800x3d. She us not happy at all, but i have been waiting for a couple years to get the upgrades I've been waiting for.
I’ve cancelled my Steam Deck for this one. After totaling everything together, 256GB Deck, MicroSD, dock, new 2230 M.2 and keyboard/mouse… I was upwards to $1000 with total kit. Plus, it’s way more friendly for opening up than the Deck. This makes more sense, especially since I play builder type simulation games on PC. Also, SteamOS is coming to this device as well. Valve is currently testing GPD’s hardware for quality assurance on both AMD and Intel versions. It’s great to see Valve has pushed some quality out Aya Neo, GPD and OneXPlayer.
Good choice, people love to complain that these things are expensive (this gpd is, but its worth it for 20-30% more performance than the deck) but they dont realize 6800u devices are starting 6 to 700 dollars. You getting this will increase the competition in this space which in time will just give all of us consumers better prices and hardware.
@@ultimategohan1551 better feelings on repairing this device myself too. It felt like the Deck had some warranty traps for self repair. Another thing, SteamOS is coming to it anyway, so why not get the best portable PC experience. It could just be me, but I think this could travel with my Switch and iPad Air 5 better than the Deck due to its square footprint.
@@progxdt yup why have carry 2 handhelds + tablet. When you can carry switch + win max(handheld/,laptop) +ipad. Having to use the deck as a laptop sounds horrible
Dimensions of Asus Eee PC with modern powerful hardware. Man, this is the best laptop I've seen in years, I hope it will be available for purchase soon.
I loved my Asus Eee PC 1000 Linux version, it was never a very powerful machine though and didn't last very long for useage purposes. My GPD Win Max 2 will last many years :)
@@flameshana9 Steam Deck lacks performance and compatibility. While Steam OS is the best we've seen from a linux distro so far, pretty much everything is guaranteed to run on a Windows based machine.
I like the touch pad above the keyboard. No palm input issues and I am far more likely to plug in a mouse most of my time using. If I wasn't in need of a complete system upgrade I would be quite interested in buying. Maybe later though as that machine would be a great mobile setup.
ruclips.net/video/DzmRT5yG85U/видео.html You can do this with a touchpad, at least If Its slightly to the right, it makes sense since If you use a laptop you want to prioritize portability and its not everywhere you can slap a mouse and a mousepad
Personally, I’d never use a device like this. It’s too big to be used comfortably as a handheld console, and too small to be used comfortably as a laptop. I don’t really think you can find a middle ground with these types of devices that really achieves the best of both worlds
honestly this is more of a subjective thing based on how big/smol of hands you have, which i think is why finding a middle ground is a pain in the ass but also is looks could be deceiving and could be more comfy in the hand then it looks, the steam deck is the same way, i thought it looked uncomfortable as hell to hold but once you actually get to hold it, its nowhere near as bad as it looks (based on using a friends steam deck for a couple of hours)
I can't wait to get my 6800U/32GB model. This is literally the ultra-portable I've been waiting for since I first got an Aspire One netbook all those years ago. Time to retire my Surface Go, mercifully!
That sponsor segue was top notch lol I can't wait for my AOKZOE to arrive - it's Steamdeck style as opposed to clamshell netbook style. Has 2xUSB4, a 2280 M.2, SD card (the new ultra fast gen), Ryzen 6800U, 32gb RAM, hall effect joystick, 1920*1200 IPS LCD .
Man, this thing is actually quite compelling. The graphics performance rates between a GTX 1050ti and a 1650, which would be enough I think, for most stuff when on the go. The location of the trackpad, while awkward, makes the most sense to me- I would just use a gaming mouse. And while I would also choose an external gamepad, having it built in is still really good in a pinch. I could stick this thing in my backpack, plus a 15" portable monitor, a Switch, headphones, and gamepad, and my shoulders would (probably) hate it less than if I cram my HP Omen in there with its massive charging brick. I'm blown away.
I actually got to alpha test the intel verison of this device and man oh man, it really is a killer. I am hitting 150+ WPM on the keyboard after just a week or so of retraining muscle memory, daily driving it as my work and personal device. I would have loved to see Sarah's take on the stylus support/usability as a drawing device, Ploufe's take on the keyboard, Alex just.. being Alex with the device, Anthony loading up every Retro game he could imagine and nerding out over the resolution/integer scaling... But the one thing I really really wish was covered is a color calibration/color accuracy test. The screen looks *really good*, but I noticed it being a little lacking in reds. Curious if you found the same. In a way, GPD shot themselves in the foot. There's so much to talk about here in terms of features that you can't spend enough time talking about any of them.
Plenty of RUclipsrs making reviews and checking devices like this that even make much longer detailed videos. Linus is more like the big popular channel basic coverage of such things instead of the really nerdy one. I am certain that if you want a few tech RUclipsrs everything will end up being mentioned in the end. And if you are a possible buyer you probably will. Every time i find a device i am interested in throwing cash on, i check like dozen RUclips videos about it to make certain i know what am about to buy in detail because i don't trust i'll get a full picture by just one guy.
I know I'm late to the game seeing this video, but I kind of want this as both a gaming device and an ultraportable GIS mapping device. It's small with some graphics muscle that can probably handle ArcGIS and a decent amount of data reasonably well but is tiny and light if you're out in the field. Also...the gamepad might make for a good map browsing tool. And you can play games with it after work. And you can do regular laptop work stuff. I know that's an even more niche use case for it - the academic who does GIS and likes to play games, but it might be a good one for that use case.
@@jaydenphilbertmunipals9089 This is closer to a super gameboy SP than a 3ds. The defining feature of the 3ds and all DS's were the double screens, not the folding mechanism
I love how linus said 7 years ago on the first GPD Win review "stay tuned, like five years from now it's gonna be awesome", and here we are. The steam deck took the market by storm and then others followed like asus with the rog ally and then lenovo. Yeah they are awesome now
Not the same target audience. But I would love to see a similar device geared towards musicians. No build in gamepad, but instead a velocity sensitive keyboard (would be amazing with aftertouch) and a build in high quality DAC and rudimentary audio interface. Such a device would make music making on the road such a blast.
GPD is the company that I saw a lot of stuff from that got me into the idea of modern handhelds years ago. I only got one this year though, and it was a Retroid Pocket 3. Then I got a Zephyrus G14 with a 3060. But damn if the GPD Win Max 2 isn't my ideal use case..... 😭 Just can't justify that purchase.
@@epicoddgamer2900 Hey, thanks for asking! I think it would be a mix between the GPD Pocket (for the I/O, flip-around screen), the GPD Win Max 2 (for the gaming controls and specs), and the Thinkpad Helix 2 (tablet mode, nipple, digitizer).
The fact that I can have this docked to my RTX 3090 and external drives for work (4k video editing) then unplug a single cable to take down to the couch or to bed for portable gaming is a literal game changer. Not to mention that extra 2230 Gen 4 slot makes for an excellent on-board cache/scratch disk. Not to mention the DUAL SD slots...one of which at full UHS-II makes media ingest effortless. Not to mention the iGPU is undoubtedly good for 1080P timelines or quick 4K edits on-the-go. This is the device I have waited for my entire life.
I love GPD products. They are always soo interesting. I’ll never have the money for one of these but I do run a GPD P2 Max (2022 refresh) and it’s a lovely and powerful laptop that fits in my purse.
I really want one but I'm glad valve subsidized my purchase of the steam deck because I got my wife and myself one each for the same price I'd spend on the win max. (Granted I'd have gotten more storage, but only one device)
Want to add this machine is also great for music production. Its compact, has a touch screen and you can add (fast) storage. Its not cheap, but you can use it everywhere and its an eyecatcher
Personally I just want a super small super portable laptop, which I can then take home and connect to a keyboard, mouse, two displays and have it function as my desktop. This is perfect for that!
As someone who owns both GPD Win Max 2021 (last year's model) and the Steam Deck, I can only sing praises for this thing. Also it may be larger than SD when opened up, but when you close it and put both of them in their cases, the Steam Deck takes up WAY more space.
I hate ads. Hate em. But you Linus have made me look forward to them. Absolutely love the plugs. I will sit through your plugs as long as you keep them as brilliantly introduced as you have. Thank you, Linus. And thank you to the writers. You guys are a great team
Can get quite a lot of storage in this. 2280 SSD can be increased to 4TB, a few companies are working on 2TB microSDs and there's at least one company working on a 2 TB 2230 SSD.
How does this have USB4 & HDMI 2.1 while the new MacBook Pros only have the former? Either way, it’s great to see more portable gaming PCs become more prevalent.
I've been considering a steam deck for almost a year now, but this might have sold me- I dig the portability and multi-fumction use of something like this, especially when emulation requires more integrated keybinds than what many 3rd party gamepads offer.
This one is 1000+ $ vs 500+ for Steam Deck. And it is probably worse as gaming deice due to lackluster joysticks and higher weight. I belive this is cool computer, but that not console like experience in Steam Deck also.
@@slavakhudyakov3807 just get a controller, you already have a better experience with this than with steam deck, and also the fact that this has a better desktop experience than broken KDE on steam deck
@@nikoraasu6929 well, than just get Xbox if you also in a mind of getting controller. No? What the point of portable device for which you need a controller? E.g. XBOX 3x cheaper u get 20 CU with 12 if you already planning to use it with external controller… some very niche use case tbh. Controller on small 10 inch screen
I love how their getting slightly larger each time, next review linus is just going to be reviewing a 13' laptop with a gaming controller attached to it.
The big problem is that they are too small of a company to be able to order custom screens. They can only buy what's available. So it was a choice between staying smaller with an OKish keyboard and a small portrait screen with massive bezels, like the Max 1, or going a little bigger and having a large landscape display with small bezels and a far superior keyboard. And the benefits of a landscape display in Windows are massive if you like to play old DX8 games or games in exclusive full screen.
These handheld pc gaming devices really need oled before I can even consider buying one of them. Oled is such a huge quality improvement for no computation cost, it should be obvious at this point for these lower performance devices.
Ya, playing my steamdeck for an hour, then going to my phone to look up something or answer a message is jarring. My phone is a 3k OLED at 120hz, and its not even a flagship device.
For the TDP changing issue, you can just download a program like the Ryzen controller to change it on the fly. Alternatively you can dual boot steamOS and change it on the fly like you would on steam deck
All those years and despite all the love for the game, Linus never beat Autumn's Rise in Cross Code. Also, Comic Sans on their website cracks me up everytime. I love this device, but the price is too close to an Alienware, while I operate in netbook budgets :D
its $1000, thats pretty good compared to other non-steam hand-helds. I get it tho, you can get a refurbished Asus Flow 13 for $1000, and that has an RTX 3050ti and is almost as portable.
@@MrHamncheez yeah, why's he calling it a handheld? Isn't that just a laptop, is it just because it has a controller in it? Looks uncomfortable tho, I'd prefer spending a little more and just buying a controller and a cable, get to save 1k
@@SpecterNeverSpectator It is, technically, a handheld. Its narrower and thinner than a steamdeck. It probably isn't too heavy to hold while using the built in controller because the bottom can rest in your lap or table top.
I mean it's cool but I just got my Steam Deck and it's incredible. Blew away every expectation I had. Been traveling with it and it's a dream. I have to travel with a work laptop anyways so it would be odd having to bring two laptop like devices.
That's true enough! I have the intel version of this as an alpha unit and have been daily driving it as my only computer for home and work, so I went from carrying around a handheld (win 3) + work laptop to carrying around just a single device.
@@MrHamncheez I just don't see this thing worth having to bring around all the ancillary accessories just to make it work for me. Like I said the Steam Deck is incredible and this thing doesn't compart to ease of portability. I also don't see this working for me as a professional laptop capable of doing CAD design and VFX work I'll stick with my absolute dream pair I have now of my M1 Max and Steamdeck
the fact that a 1300 dollar machine is being compared primarily to steamdeck in this review really just showcases how far ahead of the field steamdeck still is
Steam deck is generating a lost I believe. I'm pretty sure the maker said the purpose of the steam deck is to drive innovation not make a profit so they sell em below production cost
The win max 2 base price is $1000 and that base model has double the storage of the highest end steamdeck. Don't get me wrong the steamdeck is a great value but the bigger ssd/screen/battery and included windows license more than make up the difference in price
The Steam Deck is powerful, make no mistake, but its pricepoint is purely a marketing strategy moreso than a tech strategy. Valve is viciously undercutting the already surprisingly deep competition bench and they're using the tried and true gameplan of "give away the razor to sell the blades". The Steam Deck is primarily a machine to encourage sales on Steam and it does so very very well, personally I've found myself buying more games now as a Steam Deck owner than prior despite my gaming rig because I'm now buying titles that can work on BOTH systems. It's a very good value proposition. That all said I don't think GPD is being unreasonable in their pricing, compared to other "normal" laptops on the market it's pricepoint is also viciously aggressive and they don't have a post-sale pipeline to generate revenue off beyond pure customer loyalty (which they clearly have). Both are really good machines for different circumstances, and I think those with deep enough pockets could easily talk themselves into purchasing both.
When it released? Sure. Now? Not so much. $650 steamdeck is a worse value than $900 Aok Zoe A1 with WAY better (and bigger screen) and much more futureproof chip.
@@ethancarey9670 The A1 is actually $1099 for its base model, just for clarity. The price you quoted was a kickstarter exclusive. Also in seeing the devices side by side the extra inch of screen size isn't as big of a difference (though it is a difference.) My concern lies more in the controls as these can be make or break for a system like this and thankfully the Deck has been good, haven't tried the A1 personally as no one I know has one yet. Also on reviews of the unit while there is a performance bump over the deck some question if that's worth paying an additional 30% to get. I'd pay the premium for the Win3, but that's because it's a much nicer system with added functionality.
I put my Steam Deck up for sale on eBay yesterday. I ordered an AyaNeo 2 but for the money I'm also considering the GPD Win Max 2. I like everything about it except the controller part, I can't really know for sure if I'll be ok with the built in controller without holding it and I doubt I would get a chance. I was happy with the Steam Deck for the most part but I wanted (and purchased and returned) a cheap Windows Tablet for some Windows stuff like Wallpaper engine and Gamepass (native games) and realized I should take the money that a Steam deck and windows tablet cost and just get a Windows portable game system like the AyaNeo 2 or this GPD Win Max 2.
@@HitmonD I just bought a Steam Deck. The thing Steam Deck has an advantage over other handhelds is Steam OS. Games run better on Linux than Windows. I would just go for the cheapest Steam Deck at $400 because you can upgrade the storage yourself.
@@HitmonD Im in the same boat as them and NO the steam deck is not bad. Its actually great for the price. The price to performance is hard to beat. For me, I got the steam deck and experienced how great it is, and the possible improvements it could use. And to me the improvements might be worth 2-3x the price. With things like this mini pc, neo2, and win 4, you get a higher quality product with better performance... But the steam deck still has better price to performance since its so cheap in comparison. It all depends on your budget. If you could afford the Neo2 geek, I would suggest that over the steam deck fersure.
I got the GPD Win max and Steamdeck and playing on the Steamdeck is way more comfortable! I could never really play games on my GPD Win Max tbh and right after buying it it ended up in the closet. While my Steamdeck I literally use every day!
same I totally agree, I use my GPD win max for IT tasks/productivity on the go way rather than gaming, Steam deck is so much more comfortable to game on. That being said I still love my win max
I know it is marked as #ad and LTT wouldn't say things they don't believe in but I also think Linus would have had a lot more to say about the ergonomics if it wasn't an ad..
Its a shame GPD don't actually make pocket computers anymore, even their GPD Pocket 3 was far too big for a pocket. Give us all what we want! A POCKET 2 WITH A BRIGHTER SCREEN, BACKLIT KEYBOARD AND FINGER PRINT SENSOR! That is all.
I have a pocket 2 and they really need to do something about that keyboard. I was thinking Psion-like expanding keyboard, when you flip open the screen. Add some decent spacing between the keys, and fix the layout. As it stands right now, it's basically unusable. Cannot touch-type on it. Kind of a bummer too, because it's pretty awesome to have a do-it-all mini laptop that fits in my cargo shorts pocket, as I wander around the world.
@@scrampker I find the keyboard to be fine. Just force yourself to use it for an hour a day, and within a couple of days you'll be typing as fast as a regular keyboard.
@@NeonVisual I've owned this for years, and and insane placement of keys is a nonstarter for me. I forced myself to use it as my only laptop on several trips and it really hindered my abilities. An expanding keyboard like Psion 5 would solve everything.
its just that the displays of those small devices (the steam deck included) are tablet screens that are supposed to be used in portrait mode but have been rotated 90 degrees so they can functional for the device.
A tiny ring or wristband. Connected wirelessly to contacts. Full VR/AR with body tracking which enables a desktops work environment anywhere, any time 🤞🏻
Having a storage slot for the joystick covers is absolutely fantastic.
Shows the design dedication from GPD. Details matter!
@@dbadaddy7386 ahahaha
Wooo! Thanks for the shout-out Linus and Team!
Love to see you guys giving love to that keyboard 😄
got mine because of The Phawx, I even started watching older GPD device videos because of the cool design and tech breakdowns. keep it up!
@@Faust.layout thanks for making it sensible. I've become accustomed to typing on my Surface Go and the WM2 layout is virtually identical. Nice quick learning curve when I get my WM2.
@@Faust.layout I am really glad to have that Alt GR key, it is necessary in some languages.
We French fellows are using altgr as well and since it's a common keys for bigger keyboards, and used specifically for typical symbols, I thought that it made sense.
I love companies that make weird, unique products that work well. Gives the industry a nice bit of spice to shake up a lot of the very standard options we've got out there.
@@cwbgaming8913 4k is honestly just a waste of money and performance unless you’re on a tv.
@@cwbgaming8913 and what the fuck do you actually do with 4k if you don't have a big screen like tv? :D
@@cwbgaming8913 such a brain dead comment I have to assume its intentional.
I'm guessing only the Chinese able make those mini laptops enjoyable
Wow this is an awesome device for a college student. Put the little covers on and take it to class for notes and work, casual gaming on the side without the need for accessories or a separate device, and it seems to be about the size of a notebook for easy transport. Carrying around a 15 inch laptop has always been a major pain. Love it!
Do college students normally spend 1200$ on a laptop?
@@paulcarmi8130 yes, lots of college students are dropping 2k+ on dookie macbooks
@@paulcarmi8130 Their iphones are about that or more. Why wouldn't they spend it on a small laptop?
@@paulcarmi8130 yes, I'm a college student and 90% of the people here have gaming laptops or macbooks (I have a g14)
@@F83.M4 sounds about right.
i love GPD, every time they present something it just gets a tiny little bit better and cooler. The PC space would be boring without quirky mobile devices :D
The device's port is USB4, but since you're hooking up a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU enlosure, the protocol connecting these two is Thunderbolt 3, since USB4 can be backwards compatible to TBT3, even on non-intel devices, since intel contributed the TBT3 specs to the USB-IF, which used them to create USB4.
But yeah, it's awesome that we have thunderbolt-compatability on AMD devices now.
Also consider this video was most likely recorded before the USB 4 2.0 80 Gbps announcement. Which is a bummer considering the fact I wanted to see a reviewer test this model in that speed.
@@Poopsockbomb it doesn't support it like everything else
Just remember that USB4 does not _necessarily_ support "PCIe Tunneling" (what lets you hook up external GPUs). A lot of USB4 is, unfortunately, optional. At minimum, it just supports USB 3.2 Tunneling at 10 Gbit/s (or is it 20 Gbit/s? I keep finding conflicting information about this)! So you still need to check what you're actually getting.
-This was also true for Thunderbolt 3, afaik, by the way.- And Thunderbolt 4 is basically USB4/TB3 with most (all?) of the "optional boxes" ticked, from my understanding.
Man, is this ever going to get less confusing...
@@Blacklands PCIe Tunneling is NOT optional on Thunderbolt, all versions of the standard (even old Thunderbolt 1/2 ports with Mini DP connector) supports it...
@@mbc07 Seems you're right! Seems Thunderbolt always PCIe, Thunderbolt 3 just isn't necessarily 40 Gbit/s. Thunderbolt 4 apparently sets the minimum speed to 32 Gbit/s? And TB has a minimum speed of 16 Gbit/s.
God I love how much AMD has propelled the industry in the last decade. Competition between them and Intel has benefited us immensely.
Absolutely. This isn't about whether you prefer AMD or Intel, it's about both actively pushing progress and giving the customers amazing new hardware with competitive prices.
@@BerserkFury89 Yep. Whether you’re pro AMD, pro Intel, or just love tech, you’re getting something out of that healthy competition. It’s great to see. I’m just happy to have good choices. My loyalty is to my wallet.
Decade? It’s been 5 years
Competition only works when people support multiple options, PC gamers can’t stop giving Nvidia almost all their GPU money. Yet they expect AMD to somehow have the budget to improve their graphics cards and match features like DLSS. Fingers crossed Intel Arc sorts itself out and gains market share too.
@@protocetid amd has a long way to go to get me away from Nvidia.
This literally is the ultimate all in one productivity and gaming laptop, I love my steam deck but I wouldn’t at all consider using it for work without some dongle and leads nightmare
Yeah when Linus said that there's a lot of people just using the deck as an all in one laptop computer and gaming device I was like "what!?!?" LOL f that I use my deck for games and that's it. If you're a student a gaming laptop or this would suit way better than a deck
@@jponz85 The base steam deck is just so cheap though. That's surely the main reason people are using it like that.
@@TheAkashicTraveller Nah. Base steam deck price is $400. Surprisingly, you can buy a laptop with a better APU for around that price. It's still surprising that the deck is at that price point and has high quality sensors, analog sticks, and a nice screen though.
@@TheAkashicTraveller It's cheap for a portable gaming rig, and Valve's strategy is giving away the razor to sell the blades (the focus on the Steam library). That said using it as a regular computer is very much a slapped on "Sure it CAN do that" feature that by the nature of linux is possible but not as great of a solution as this GPD unit.
@@manavsharma2232 what laptop comes with RDNA 2 graphics and 16gb of ram for $400? You need to spend double that to get a laptop with specs even close to what’s in the Steam Deck..
For comparison this device Linus just reviewed is $3200 USD. Steam Deck is amazing value.
4:55 Holding R2 (Right Trigger) should speed the cursor up, or at least it used to in every single GPD Win device before this. Also, in my opinion, GPD has the best "Mouse Mapping" on a controller ever. I replicated the same configuration on my Steam Deck's desktop mode as best as I could as well. It's just really well thought out.
5:38 It may be bigger than the Steam Deck, but close the lid on the Win Max 2 and put both devices in their cases, and the Win Max 2 will become WAY more portable than the Steam Deck. Steam Deck in its official case takes up a massive amount of space. It is both wider by about 30% and DOUBLE in thickness.
I mean, the WM2 doesn't *need* a case. Clamshell protects the screen and controls.
@@nickthaskater It may not need one to protect the screen, but I still like to put my Win Max 2021 in a snug sleeve case. I carry many random and often sharp things in my backpack. I'd rather not scratch its body.
@@XzaroX sounds like a carrying pouch for the sharp things would make more sense. I wouldn't want stabby things bouncing around loose in my bag.
@@nickthaskater "The danger bag" I love it
Especially if that's the analog trigger, it could just be a gain on the acceleration. That sounds like an awesome way to do the mouse actually.
I have been looking for a powerful and flexible small laptop for a while, this thing literally nails every single thing I wanted and so much more! I just ordered the 32GB/2TB version, can't wait to receive it!
Thanks for keeping us updated on new and unique stuff that we may not otherwise hear much about!
Where r u ordering it from ?, Please can u share the website
You don’t need to reboot or use the BIOS to change TDP. There is a batch file as well as an app that does it on the fly from Windows desktop. There are videos out there if this being done.
I mean yeah obviously, there's a reason why Linus shows that Aya Neo is able to do it without using the BIOS.
@@fritzkier Sorry, but you miss the point. Linus incorrectly states that currently the Max2 needs to be restarted and change BIOS settings to change TDP. That is incorrect and has been for a long time. It does not currently have a slick app like Aya, but there are at least 2 very easy methods that can do it on the fly from the desktop.
It's weird that a channel like this couldn't be bothered to look for such things. There's literally multiple ways of changing TDP, even better than what the Ayaspace can do.
@@tappersreviews4677 You must be absolutely daft. A batch file is NOT user intuitive at all. And unless the manufacturer specifically states and provides the app it doesn't count. You sound like a Linux user that thinks adding random PPA's from the internet is a good idea.
@@TheEchelon1619 you’ve just outed yourself as utterly ignorant. If you’d bother actually learning about what is being referenced, you’d know both the batch and the app are very easy to use. Literally run, then press a key or click a box. There is nothing difficult about them, and I’m not a Linux user. They just aren’t as slick as what Deck or Aya have right now.
You can probably fix the palm rejection issues in windows mouse settings. I forgot the name of the setting but there's a sensitivity you can adjust and setting it to "most sensitive" disables palm rejection and usually fixes those issues. I ran into the same thing on a newish Asus notebook trackpad.
I bought one of your screw drivers Linus. I watched the Project Farm video and you screw driver made a really good showing. It was a destructive test but it was indeed tough. Three years worked out in the end. Nice Job to the engineering team.
I love how you love these handheld gaming computers. Kinda like Mr. Mobile's love for folding screens. I have no interest in the former, but hell, I enjoy these videos more than most others you produce (and I watch every video you produce, 4k, full screen, before watching any other content when I first sit down after work) because of your sheer enthusiasm for the product category. Great job LMG. Have a good night :)
Glad you can watch it in 4k 🙄
I love how linus is obsessed with quality, and still gets genuinely excited about having the newest tech gadgets
8:03 This was explained by a GPD employee on the unofficial GPD discord channel; the prototypes are 72 w/h, the retail ones are 67 w/h.
Also the ram is not 5400MT/s but 6400. It's 5400 on the 1260P model but that model is not for sale anymore.
And finally, there are lots of programs that you can use to change tdp with; amd system deck which is supplied by gpd, project sbc's power control panel v2, and ciphray's TDP bat file (you can find it on the gpd discord)
i sort of missed the annoucement for the 1260p, why did they stop selling it?
@@adultinggamer because the AMD version is just a lot better performance wise.
@@adultinggamer they got less 100 units preordered last I heard. Something like 41 units
@@chanunnaki It also costs too much.
@@adultinggamer Because the crowdfunding campaign only "sold" about 40 units, whereas AMD "sold" several thousand. Those who ordered the Intel version will still get it, but no new orders are allowed.
OH my god. Thank you for advertising Rocksmith. I tried to teach myself to play guitar like 20 years ago but got frustrated and gave up. I'm about to buy a guitar and use my love of technology to teach myself how to play.
Years ago people wondered what these guys were capable of if GPD made a full sized laptop.
This is the answer.
Shit, not even full sized. It’s a dinky laptop(not in a disparaging way) imagine if it was actually full size.
Years in the future: GPD 20" laptop review
@@rumham7631 if it was much larger it wouldn’t be comfortable to hold
@@runescapefan0001 roll out screen laptop! Maybe it rolls out to superwide ratio!
@@risharddaniels1762 If it was much larger it could carry a built in controller akin to the 8-bit do or something.
I love this current trend of making one device that you can use for everything. As someone who has a gaming PC, a macbook as a workstation and a steam deck for more console-style gaming, having that all be replaced by a single device sounds amazing
Gaming laptops exist already
I still remember buying the original GPD Win back in 2016, when it was one of the only gaming PC handhelds, if not the only one. I loved that it was practically the size of a 3DS. It couldn't play much, but the idea behind it was incredible. I remember playing a lot of Fallout 3 on it.
How is it? Ever had any issues with it?
@@jessica49arrow By today’s standards it would be pretty lacking. There had to be dedicated buttons for L3 & R3 because the sticks couldn’t click in. The fan that cools the system was not set up to automatically detect the heat of the processor so there was a dedicated switch to turn the fan on high, low, or off. The device itself does get pretty warm on the back when gaming on it. The biggest thing is though is it’s not really a gaming APU. You’re lucky if you can play any 3D games. As I was saying Fallout 3 was one of the exceptions, but I’m sure I was barely getting over 30fps, probably everything set to low, and probably below 720p resolution.
At the time though there was nothing else like it, it was amazing to me, and watching The Phawx do everything he could to get games to run on it was always thrilling.
I feel Iike GPD had no competition until around when the third iteration came out.
i just want to say the way you guys come up with transition to sponsor segment is just amazingly hilarious 🤣
LTT since day one
@@broadcastliveTV So true now we know why LTT truly needs 80+ staff 🤣
ruclips.net/video/Slwai2Jhy_A/видео.html They did
I still appreciate how smoothly Linus goes to the sponsor's message. Amazing
There was a sponsor message?!?
God damn epic segue
@@SilynRaces ikr
That was truly incredible
I lost it when he read that tiny note
Love it when new videos get uploaded right when my lunch break starts
Awesome! We are getting back to the era of experimenting with tech. I wasn't even born in the 90s but I get my mind blown when I see the crazy stuff they were doing by then
From what i remember in the 90's the motto was "don't bother talking about your new top PC because it will be old news in a month" especially in the latest years when AMD was hitting hard with their AMD64. It was the age of the MHz and GHz fight where a new higher clock CPU released almost every month and those days those higher clocks made much more difference than now.
New generation GPUs were getting yearly releases as well like smartphones after Nvidia and ATI(ATi is the company AMD bought so they can start making GPu's) appeared and their GPU war started.
Mobile phones were getting better everyday and PalmOS was innovating with portable smartphone like devices.
Things were wild from 94 to 2002 something. And now we have similar circumstances.
AMD has found their mojo back forcing Intel to wake up and CPU wars starting, their GPU's are also catching to nVidia with even Intel entering the market and mobile devices and smartphone wars are going great with AMD and Intel making good laptop low powered APu's, while the ARM type APU's wars are going big with Qualcomm, Mediatec, Apple and Samsung+AMD being in full fight.
The only problem with today's age is this horrible politicians and globalists that created a big inflation and an economic and energy crisis that made things go slower this last 2 years.
I love that this device exists, as it's a good sign for what's to come
Can we just take a minute of Silence for those who are watching Tech Videos without buying anything
No.
Thanks bro
Apprendre that
Thanks a bunch. :)
Thinking about us that's great, so thanks ❤️
this feels like where the DS might've ended up in a few years. out of my price range but i love it so much
I've been waiting for this channel to review this device. I noticed that 4g LTE wasn't mentioned. However I'm super excited to get my hands on this PC. I also would of liked to see how it performed on a dual screen setup.
you should see the leak for GPD Win 4, it looks like a psp/vita but is also a full fletched pc.
How much is it, it sounds so good If I had to guess it'd be like 1500 to 2000.
@@AmaryIIion It's gone up in price a bit and is now ~$1k for the base model with 16GB RAM + 1T storage, and $1.2k for the 32G RAM model. The LTE card itself is another $80.
@@jabbany2715 honestly that's not too bad, really thought it'd be more than that.
This was a review? Lol thought it was an ad
Even though I wouldn't actually have any use for one, nor could I realistically afford it, I still get really excited when you feature these GPD handheld-laptop-whatever devices. I have no idea why, but I'm super into them :D
On the fly TDP switching: There is a tool "Motion Assistant" that adds the ability, though the bios setting acts as the upper limit. It also allows fine-tuning the GPU frequency, which in some other video was shown to allow reaching the same FPS at up to 25% lower TDP.
I just love the fact that the narrow aspect ratios are going away and the 16:10 is becoming a standard.
"Narrow aspect ratios."
Me who remembers 4:3 being standard. :/
16:9 was so awesome at the time, I was working in Photoshop and there was just so much more space to work on screen.
Narrow aspects are for cinema.
Down with narrow *ass*pects for computers!
@@WhereAllYourDeletedCommentsGo 16:9 is OK for content, but if you have OS that has taskbar and program with menus the effective aspect ratio is more like 21:9 instead of 16:9, so additional height of 16:10 makes a huge improvement in program usability.
3:2 or 16:10 FTW
Honestly, GPD has been such a win. It's so rare for a company to consistently put out good stuff. I legit love when these reviews come out purely because of how excited Linus always is about the product.
Pretty sure it’s just because it’s an ad. He’s never this enthusiastic when it’s just a review .
@@JoshuaLotion Linus is always enthusiastic about handhelds. ALWAYS. And he actively used to warn people about GPD specifically when he did videos on their first products because they were fresh. But he was always enthusiastic about the product and GPD just kept delivering so he stopped warning people about them. Also, GPD didn’t even sponsor the video. It was Zoho and Rocksmith. So no, it’s not an ad.
Ya ads by law are required to be disclosed, there was a huge crackdown on it on youtube a bit back, and i don't think Linus or his legal people would let that happen.
I really like that you were able to get that joke in on the first sentence XD
@@Hobbles_ I’m happy someone noticed!
Can't wait for mine!
I hoped the Win3 would be my small do-it-all system but the keyboard killed it. This thing seems practically perfect and I dropped way too much money on a maxed out unit and a 2TB gen4 ssd to install when it gets here
The keyboard is terrible. just wait for win 4.
@@NexXxus86 The Win4 looks good but another thing I found with the Win3 is how limiting that form factor is. For gaming it's great but not so much for anything else.
I got the almost fully decked out one with 2 tb but only 16gb ram.. Cannot wait for it. Just got my steam deck.. Will sell it once they ship my gpdwinmax
Can't wait for mine too. I have always thought gpd small labtops were really cool, then I saw this thing. Portable, it games well, productivity, nice keyboard, controller, usb4. This checkmarks so much... I had to have this in my life. Now I will make my fiancée even more mad when I start looking at egpu's. I got the aw3423dw this year and a 3080 ti as well as the 5800x3d. She us not happy at all, but i have been waiting for a couple years to get the upgrades I've been waiting for.
Shame you went for the 2TB. I hear the biwin ssds are prone to failing. It’s why I was rec’d to go for the 1tb/32GB model and switch out the SSD first
That RGB hoodie looks AWESOME! Thank you for making stealthy minimalist merch! Appreciate it!
I’ve cancelled my Steam Deck for this one. After totaling everything together, 256GB Deck, MicroSD, dock, new 2230 M.2 and keyboard/mouse… I was upwards to $1000 with total kit. Plus, it’s way more friendly for opening up than the Deck. This makes more sense, especially since I play builder type simulation games on PC. Also, SteamOS is coming to this device as well. Valve is currently testing GPD’s hardware for quality assurance on both AMD and Intel versions.
It’s great to see Valve has pushed some quality out Aya Neo, GPD and OneXPlayer.
Good choice, people love to complain that these things are expensive (this gpd is, but its worth it for 20-30% more performance than the deck) but they dont realize 6800u devices are starting 6 to 700 dollars. You getting this will increase the competition in this space which in time will just give all of us consumers better prices and hardware.
@@ultimategohan1551 better feelings on repairing this device myself too. It felt like the Deck had some warranty traps for self repair. Another thing, SteamOS is coming to it anyway, so why not get the best portable PC experience. It could just be me, but I think this could travel with my Switch and iPad Air 5 better than the Deck due to its square footprint.
@@progxdt yup why have carry 2 handhelds + tablet. When you can carry switch + win max(handheld/,laptop) +ipad. Having to use the deck as a laptop sounds horrible
Dimensions of Asus Eee PC with modern powerful hardware. Man, this is the best laptop I've seen in years, I hope it will be available for purchase soon.
It's available on Indiegogo right now, and soon on Amazon and Aliexpress.
I loved my Asus Eee PC 1000 Linux version, it was never a very powerful machine though and didn't last very long for useage purposes. My GPD Win Max 2 will last many years :)
Very curious to see you guys do a head to head on "handheld" gaming rigs
Spoilers: They all lose to the Steam Deck.
@@flameshana9 In this very video they said that max 2 crushes the Steam Deck from 15TDP onwards, which is Deck's both Default and maximum.
@@flameshana9 Steam Deck lacks performance and compatibility. While Steam OS is the best we've seen from a linux distro so far, pretty much everything is guaranteed to run on a Windows based machine.
@@XzaroX steam deck goes up to 25w.
Rigs?
I love this little laptop. Such a beast and a way better laptop than the netbooks of old. Keep up the good work GPD!
"Oh what's this? AH its a message from our sponsor"
Gold! Easily my favorite sponsor segue yet! The little note was perfect.
3:20 When the droppings are so frequent that you just add a footnote... 😂❤️
I like the touch pad above the keyboard. No palm input issues and I am far more likely to plug in a mouse most of my time using. If I wasn't in need of a complete system upgrade I would be quite interested in buying. Maybe later though as that machine would be a great mobile setup.
ruclips.net/video/DzmRT5yG85U/видео.html
You can do this with a touchpad, at least If Its slightly to the right, it makes sense since If you use a laptop you want to prioritize portability and its not everywhere you can slap a mouse and a mousepad
Personally, I’d never use a device like this. It’s too big to be used comfortably as a handheld console, and too small to be used comfortably as a laptop. I don’t really think you can find a middle ground with these types of devices that really achieves the best of both worlds
Yo intel
honestly this is more of a subjective thing based on how big/smol of hands you have, which i think is why finding a middle ground is a pain in the ass
but also is looks could be deceiving and could be more comfy in the hand then it looks, the steam deck is the same way, i thought it looked uncomfortable as hell to hold but once you actually get to hold it, its nowhere near as bad as it looks (based on using a friends steam deck for a couple of hours)
I can't wait to get my 6800U/32GB model. This is literally the ultra-portable I've been waiting for since I first got an Aspire One netbook all those years ago.
Time to retire my Surface Go, mercifully!
That sponsor segue was top notch lol
I can't wait for my AOKZOE to arrive - it's Steamdeck style as opposed to clamshell netbook style.
Has 2xUSB4, a 2280 M.2, SD card (the new ultra fast gen), Ryzen 6800U, 32gb RAM, hall effect joystick, 1920*1200 IPS LCD .
Man, this thing is actually quite compelling. The graphics performance rates between a GTX 1050ti and a 1650, which would be enough I think, for most stuff when on the go. The location of the trackpad, while awkward, makes the most sense to me- I would just use a gaming mouse. And while I would also choose an external gamepad, having it built in is still really good in a pinch. I could stick this thing in my backpack, plus a 15" portable monitor, a Switch, headphones, and gamepad, and my shoulders would (probably) hate it less than if I cram my HP Omen in there with its massive charging brick. I'm blown away.
I actually got to alpha test the intel verison of this device and man oh man, it really is a killer.
I am hitting 150+ WPM on the keyboard after just a week or so of retraining muscle memory, daily driving it as my work and personal device.
I would have loved to see Sarah's take on the stylus support/usability as a drawing device, Ploufe's take on the keyboard, Alex just.. being Alex with the device, Anthony loading up every Retro game he could imagine and nerding out over the resolution/integer scaling... But the one thing I really really wish was covered is a color calibration/color accuracy test. The screen looks *really good*, but I noticed it being a little lacking in reds. Curious if you found the same.
In a way, GPD shot themselves in the foot. There's so much to talk about here in terms of features that you can't spend enough time talking about any of them.
Plenty of RUclipsrs making reviews and checking devices like this that even make much longer detailed videos. Linus is more like the big popular channel basic coverage of such things instead of the really nerdy one. I am certain that if you want a few tech RUclipsrs everything will end up being mentioned in the end.
And if you are a possible buyer you probably will. Every time i find a device i am interested in throwing cash on, i check like dozen RUclips videos about it to make certain i know what am about to buy in detail because i don't trust i'll get a full picture by just one guy.
I know I'm late to the game seeing this video, but I kind of want this as both a gaming device and an ultraportable GIS mapping device. It's small with some graphics muscle that can probably handle ArcGIS and a decent amount of data reasonably well but is tiny and light if you're out in the field. Also...the gamepad might make for a good map browsing tool. And you can play games with it after work. And you can do regular laptop work stuff. I know that's an even more niche use case for it - the academic who does GIS and likes to play games, but it might be a good one for that use case.
this is like a super 3ds. i like the closing style for screen protection
"Super 3DS..." Yet it doesn't have the one defining feature of any DS.
@@XTHHedgehog It has a folding mechanism exactly like the 3Ds, so it still counts as a super 3ds lol
@@jaydenphilbertmunipals9089 This is closer to a super gameboy SP than a 3ds. The defining feature of the 3ds and all DS's were the double screens, not the folding mechanism
I love how linus said 7 years ago on the first GPD Win review "stay tuned, like five years from now it's gonna be awesome", and here we are. The steam deck took the market by storm and then others followed like asus with the rog ally and then lenovo. Yeah they are awesome now
The GPD Win Max 2 is by far the coolest PC handheld device I've seen! Blows my GPD Win Max 1 out the water! I need to get my hands on one of these!
Not the same target audience. But I would love to see a similar device geared towards musicians. No build in gamepad, but instead a velocity sensitive keyboard (would be amazing with aftertouch) and a build in high quality DAC and rudimentary audio interface. Such a device would make music making on the road such a blast.
So, going old school, triggering samples from a QWERTY keyboard, Fast Tracker style? I'm in :D
GPD is the company that I saw a lot of stuff from that got me into the idea of modern handhelds years ago. I only got one this year though, and it was a Retroid Pocket 3. Then I got a Zephyrus G14 with a 3060. But damn if the GPD Win Max 2 isn't my ideal use case..... 😭 Just can't justify that purchase.
I don’t blame ya it’s hard to for something small when ya got something big and powerful
I think my ideal laptop at this point is a mix between the GPD Pocket, the GPD Win Max 2, and the Thinkpad Helix 2.
Ok but who asked ?
@@Azrel me
What's your ideal laptop mate?
@@Kait07_ you beat me to it.
@@epicoddgamer2900 Hey, thanks for asking!
I think it would be a mix between the GPD Pocket (for the I/O, flip-around screen), the GPD Win Max 2 (for the gaming controls and specs), and the Thinkpad Helix 2 (tablet mode, nipple, digitizer).
It's like a laptop and a Steam deck made baby
How am i going to enjoy the handheld gaming feeling with all that keyboard
Cool product, but Is no one gonna mention that their page is written in Comic Sans?
As someone who disables the trackpad on every laptop I buy, how nice it is to not have to worry about accidentally palming the thing.
This is the coolest thing Linus has ever reviewed, good job with this one!
The fact that I can have this docked to my RTX 3090 and external drives for work (4k video editing) then unplug a single cable to take down to the couch or to bed for portable gaming is a literal game changer.
Not to mention that extra 2230 Gen 4 slot makes for an excellent on-board cache/scratch disk.
Not to mention the DUAL SD slots...one of which at full UHS-II makes media ingest effortless.
Not to mention the iGPU is undoubtedly good for 1080P timelines or quick 4K edits on-the-go.
This is the device I have waited for my entire life.
My USB4 port doesn't work properly. The support is horrible. Don't buy it.
I’m glad you guys like to put the limelight on handheld PCs yet GPD’s poor quality assurance is never mentioned
I love GPD products. They are always soo interesting. I’ll never have the money for one of these but I do run a GPD P2 Max (2022 refresh) and it’s a lovely and powerful laptop that fits in my purse.
I really want one but I'm glad valve subsidized my purchase of the steam deck because I got my wife and myself one each for the same price I'd spend on the win max. (Granted I'd have gotten more storage, but only one device)
Yes mom, I need this for school!
Ah, the “is that dandruff?” hoodie! You love to see it.
Want to add this machine is also great for music production. Its compact, has a touch screen and you can add (fast) storage. Its not cheap, but you can use it everywhere and its an eyecatcher
That’s really clever to include those flaps that cover the joysticks. Wouldn’t want to bring this into work otherwise.
You know what? I was thinking, how could I hide the joysticks, making them not so obvious. And then.. Bang. Out come the flap covers.
Personally I just want a super small super portable laptop, which I can then take home and connect to a keyboard, mouse, two displays and have it function as my desktop. This is perfect for that!
Okay I am genuinely considering this… looks like a solid option for travelling productivity while still able to game while travelling. Very impressed
the negative side is.... it costs money
As someone who owns both GPD Win Max 2021 (last year's model) and the Steam Deck, I can only sing praises for this thing. Also it may be larger than SD when opened up, but when you close it and put both of them in their cases, the Steam Deck takes up WAY more space.
I hate ads. Hate em. But you Linus have made me look forward to them. Absolutely love the plugs. I will sit through your plugs as long as you keep them as brilliantly introduced as you have. Thank you, Linus. And thank you to the writers. You guys are a great team
Can get quite a lot of storage in this. 2280 SSD can be increased to 4TB, a few companies are working on 2TB microSDs and there's at least one company working on a 2 TB 2230 SSD.
Yes Ryzen 6000 CPUs are amazing the IGP performance is game changing
How does this have USB4 & HDMI 2.1 while the new MacBook Pros only have the former? Either way, it’s great to see more portable gaming PCs become more prevalent.
marketing
Because it's Apple
Technology didn't exist yet when apple was developing them
Its Apple
because hdmi 2.1 barely matters. oh wait sorry i misspoke, apple bad give likes
I think this is an awesome device if you also DJ on your laptop that you want to game on. Especially with the ability to hook on an eGPU.
Omg I could never have this I'd never be off of it. How awesome.
This will also be a cloud gaming beast. Beautiful large screen (up to 2k) and full laptop usage.
I've been considering a steam deck for almost a year now, but this might have sold me- I dig the portability and multi-fumction use of something like this, especially when emulation requires more integrated keybinds than what many 3rd party gamepads offer.
This one is 1000+ $ vs 500+ for Steam Deck. And it is probably worse as gaming deice due to lackluster joysticks and higher weight. I belive this is cool computer, but that not console like experience in Steam Deck also.
@@slavakhudyakov3807 just get a controller, you already have a better experience with this than with steam deck, and also the fact that this has a better desktop experience than broken KDE on steam deck
@@nikoraasu6929 well, than just get Xbox if you also in a mind of getting controller. No? What the point of portable device for which you need a controller? E.g. XBOX 3x cheaper u get 20 CU with 12 if you already planning to use it with external controller… some very niche use case tbh. Controller on small 10 inch screen
I love how their getting slightly larger each time, next review linus is just going to be reviewing a 13' laptop with a gaming controller attached to it.
The big problem is that they are too small of a company to be able to order custom screens. They can only buy what's available. So it was a choice between staying smaller with an OKish keyboard and a small portrait screen with massive bezels, like the Max 1, or going a little bigger and having a large landscape display with small bezels and a far superior keyboard.
And the benefits of a landscape display in Windows are massive if you like to play old DX8 games or games in exclusive full screen.
These handheld pc gaming devices really need oled before I can even consider buying one of them. Oled is such a huge quality improvement for no computation cost, it should be obvious at this point for these lower performance devices.
It's a huge lifespan downgrade for a huge cost increase at these sizes.
I think the brightness is a bigger factor for handhelds as they will be used outdoors a lot, which is why they choose backlit displays
Ya, playing my steamdeck for an hour, then going to my phone to look up something or answer a message is jarring. My phone is a 3k OLED at 120hz, and its not even a flagship device.
Also, Ayaneo's new device is OLED, no?
@@MrHamncheez Sounds amazing
I've came to this video after watching about Sony VAIO PCG-U1, its good to know this design is not forgotten.
For the TDP changing issue, you can just download a program like the Ryzen controller to change it on the fly. Alternatively you can dual boot steamOS and change it on the fly like you would on steam deck
1:36 WHY IS THE WEBSITE IN COMIC SANS
BC comic sans bess
All those years and despite all the love for the game, Linus never beat Autumn's Rise in Cross Code.
Also, Comic Sans on their website cracks me up everytime.
I love this device, but the price is too close to an Alienware, while I operate in netbook budgets :D
That comic sans is just 🤌
its $1000, thats pretty good compared to other non-steam hand-helds. I get it tho, you can get a refurbished Asus Flow 13 for $1000, and that has an RTX 3050ti and is almost as portable.
graphic design is my passion material
@@MrHamncheez yeah, why's he calling it a handheld? Isn't that just a laptop, is it just because it has a controller in it? Looks uncomfortable tho, I'd prefer spending a little more and just buying a controller and a cable, get to save 1k
@@SpecterNeverSpectator It is, technically, a handheld. Its narrower and thinner than a steamdeck. It probably isn't too heavy to hold while using the built in controller because the bottom can rest in your lap or table top.
I mean it's cool but I just got my Steam Deck and it's incredible. Blew away every expectation I had. Been traveling with it and it's a dream. I have to travel with a work laptop anyways so it would be odd having to bring two laptop like devices.
That's true enough! I have the intel version of this as an alpha unit and have been daily driving it as my only computer for home and work, so I went from carrying around a handheld (win 3) + work laptop to carrying around just a single device.
@@Hyatice I just wouldn't be able to work on a 10" display all day. I need at least 15" of screen.
@@christophermacier Get a 15" (or 17") portable monitor for like $150. Or get a nexdock to pair with your steamdeck. Win win either way.
@@MrHamncheez I just don't see this thing worth having to bring around all the ancillary accessories just to make it work for me. Like I said the Steam Deck is incredible and this thing doesn't compart to ease of portability. I also don't see this working for me as a professional laptop capable of doing CAD design and VFX work I'll stick with my absolute dream pair I have now of my M1 Max and Steamdeck
@@christophermacier Do you use Fusion 360? Because thats primarily a CPU-intense workload; Fusion only hits the GPU hard during renders.
That segue was top notch. Bravo.
5:08 R2 accelerates the mouse movement when you hold it. So you use that to rapidly scroll the mouse around.
the fact that a 1300 dollar machine is being compared primarily to steamdeck in this review really just showcases how far ahead of the field steamdeck still is
Steam deck is generating a lost I believe. I'm pretty sure the maker said the purpose of the steam deck is to drive innovation not make a profit so they sell em below production cost
The win max 2 base price is $1000 and that base model has double the storage of the highest end steamdeck. Don't get me wrong the steamdeck is a great value but the bigger ssd/screen/battery and included windows license more than make up the difference in price
The Steam Deck is powerful, make no mistake, but its pricepoint is purely a marketing strategy moreso than a tech strategy. Valve is viciously undercutting the already surprisingly deep competition bench and they're using the tried and true gameplan of "give away the razor to sell the blades". The Steam Deck is primarily a machine to encourage sales on Steam and it does so very very well, personally I've found myself buying more games now as a Steam Deck owner than prior despite my gaming rig because I'm now buying titles that can work on BOTH systems. It's a very good value proposition.
That all said I don't think GPD is being unreasonable in their pricing, compared to other "normal" laptops on the market it's pricepoint is also viciously aggressive and they don't have a post-sale pipeline to generate revenue off beyond pure customer loyalty (which they clearly have). Both are really good machines for different circumstances, and I think those with deep enough pockets could easily talk themselves into purchasing both.
When it released? Sure. Now? Not so much. $650 steamdeck is a worse value than $900 Aok Zoe A1 with WAY better (and bigger screen) and much more futureproof chip.
@@ethancarey9670 The A1 is actually $1099 for its base model, just for clarity. The price you quoted was a kickstarter exclusive.
Also in seeing the devices side by side the extra inch of screen size isn't as big of a difference (though it is a difference.) My concern lies more in the controls as these can be make or break for a system like this and thankfully the Deck has been good, haven't tried the A1 personally as no one I know has one yet. Also on reviews of the unit while there is a performance bump over the deck some question if that's worth paying an additional 30% to get.
I'd pay the premium for the Win3, but that's because it's a much nicer system with added functionality.
Same thumbnail as the ROG Ally lol.
I put my Steam Deck up for sale on eBay yesterday. I ordered an AyaNeo 2 but for the money I'm also considering the GPD Win Max 2. I like everything about it except the controller part, I can't really know for sure if I'll be ok with the built in controller without holding it and I doubt I would get a chance. I was happy with the Steam Deck for the most part but I wanted (and purchased and returned) a cheap Windows Tablet for some Windows stuff like Wallpaper engine and Gamepass (native games) and realized I should take the money that a Steam deck and windows tablet cost and just get a Windows portable game system like the AyaNeo 2 or this GPD Win Max 2.
Is the steam deck that bad that you're getting the AyoNeo instead? I'm genuinely curious as someone who is planning to buy a steam deck soon
@@HitmonD I just bought a Steam Deck. The thing Steam Deck has an advantage over other handhelds is Steam OS. Games run better on Linux than Windows. I would just go for the cheapest Steam Deck at $400 because you can upgrade the storage yourself.
@@HitmonD Im in the same boat as them and NO the steam deck is not bad. Its actually great for the price. The price to performance is hard to beat. For me, I got the steam deck and experienced how great it is, and the possible improvements it could use. And to me the improvements might be worth 2-3x the price. With things like this mini pc, neo2, and win 4, you get a higher quality product with better performance... But the steam deck still has better price to performance since its so cheap in comparison. It all depends on your budget. If you could afford the Neo2 geek, I would suggest that over the steam deck fersure.
It's so Incredible that you hold the laptop.
First laptop I've seen in over 20 years with a reasonable keyboard
I got the GPD Win max and Steamdeck and playing on the Steamdeck is way more comfortable! I could never really play games on my GPD Win Max tbh and right after buying it it ended up in the closet. While my Steamdeck I literally use every day!
same I totally agree, I use my GPD win max for IT tasks/productivity on the go way rather than gaming, Steam deck is so much more comfortable to game on. That being said I still love my win max
GPD's website uses... Comic Sans?
I know it is marked as #ad and LTT wouldn't say things they don't believe in but I also think Linus would have had a lot more to say about the ergonomics if it wasn't an ad..
been awhile since you've actually surprised me qith a sponsor spot. well done sir
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Its a shame GPD don't actually make pocket computers anymore, even their GPD Pocket 3 was far too big for a pocket.
Give us all what we want! A POCKET 2 WITH A BRIGHTER SCREEN, BACKLIT KEYBOARD AND FINGER PRINT SENSOR!
That is all.
I have a pocket 2 and they really need to do something about that keyboard. I was thinking Psion-like expanding keyboard, when you flip open the screen. Add some decent spacing between the keys, and fix the layout. As it stands right now, it's basically unusable. Cannot touch-type on it. Kind of a bummer too, because it's pretty awesome to have a do-it-all mini laptop that fits in my cargo shorts pocket, as I wander around the world.
@@scrampker I find the keyboard to be fine. Just force yourself to use it for an hour a day, and within a couple of days you'll be typing as fast as a regular keyboard.
@@NeonVisual I've owned this for years, and and insane placement of keys is a nonstarter for me. I forced myself to use it as my only laptop on several trips and it really hindered my abilities. An expanding keyboard like Psion 5 would solve everything.
@@scrampker You're not going to get muscle memory with random sporadic trips. Go watch liliputing's channel, you'll see just how easy it is.
3:40 Comic Sans, really?
Truly the best font
Can you make a video explaining what "90° out of sync" means exactly?
its just that the displays of those small devices (the steam deck included) are tablet screens that are supposed to be used in portrait mode but have been rotated 90 degrees so they can functional for the device.
@@modigmodi550 I understand that, but why is that a problem?
@@falagarius some applications don't work well and can't rotate back
A tiny ring or wristband. Connected wirelessly to contacts. Full VR/AR with body tracking which enables a desktops work environment anywhere, any time 🤞🏻
down right always having the best sponsors Segue on RUclips 🤣.