Yeah, my Tauros tore half her team apart. None of my team members fainted, while the Nemona battle (which I did after that) knocked out 5 of my team members!
I think the idea behind her team was one pokemon for each area. Espartha- The desert Gogoat- Plains Veluza- Ocean Avalug- Snow Kingambit- Bamboo Forest Glimmora- Cave As a champion, representing each area of the region is a cool concept, but the execution is terrible
Definitely. Her team was such a huge let down and I was ready to face MY Cynthia since I didn’t play the original pearl and diamond (Leon was hard in swsh and so was the professor in alola btw)
lol truee i fought arven when my pokemon was lvl 38 and i thought welp it is inevitable that id lose then on my second try hes team was much more likable than that of the champions cause of how hes teams is made up from the team to use against the titans much more depth and bond for me though
Another gripe is that generally champions show off by having not only powerful but really difficult to acquire and master, either in-game (Metagross, Spiritomb) or lore-wise (dragons and dark-types are incredibly dangerous) and we see Cynthia sweet talking a very hostile dragonite, and I feel that Lance's entire schtick is his clan knows the secrets of dragon taming. Geeta by comparison seems like she did a Nuzlocke and has first encounter tier material.
I mean, her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon that can only be obtained somewhat rarely until you go into Area Zero, which you do after you defeat her. Plus, Kingambit is canonically rare-ish to get (and a little annoying maybe) and I stan her for using the ever-so-neglected-after-X/Y Gogoat.
@angelicwarrior1182 Huh, I must be lucky then I got two Glimmoras Just stumbled on two of em and promptly caught I just used em for the Fairy base, then I quickly relegated them
Imagine if SHINY Kingambit was her ace…. PERFECTION. It totally matches her whole color scheme and it would’ve been super cool for gamefreak to make her the first champion to OWN a shiny mon. Side note, it also would’ve been cool if she had a Armarouge for the Violet players and Ceruledge for the Scarlet players to REALLY switch it up
I think Kingambit should've been her anchor. With Base Attack EV at 130, and Supreme Overlord Ability, it would've been the equivalent to Cynthia's Garchomp. With Espathra using Trick Room to set up for it, as well as Reflect and Light Screen, Kingambit would've been a problem with its ability and Swords Dance. I have a Kingambit with Maxed out Attack stat at 405 and Defense at 372. so you can imagine the damage if Kingambit had the chance. I also have a Glimmora. wonderful Special Attack Damage with a Metronome.
@@RedFeather349 Steven Stone did have a Shiny Metagross, but only in the demo version of ORAS to promote a Shiny Beldum with Metagrossite that was being given away. And it appears as shiny in the anime as well. In all other sources, it's a normal Metagross.
Spiritomb was especially unique due to the fact that the likelihood of you having seen Spiritomb before the fight with Cynthia is as good as 0. The feeling of something unknown and not being sure what to do is great to start the fight with.
Starting with Glimmora would also have the same effect because that pokemon is like super rare and it would cause a player to either hesitate, causing her to set up rocks or attack it and get watch in distress as it sets up toxic spikes.
I'd add that when Spiritomb was introduced, it had literally no weaknesses. So trying to figure out what to hit it with for a super effective move was futile.
Wrong I spent roughly 14 hours in the grand underground until I unlocked spiritomb ended up using It as it was shiny and a modest nature which I was happy with.
Cynthia's team wasn't just strong, her pokémon weren't just iconic, they fit her character. Spiritomb required you to find a weird rock, to place it in a tower to fix a ruin, then speak to a bunch of people, which being the mythology and history buff, as well as personable character she is, we know Cynthia might well have done. Togetic is a pokemon that requires raising with love and care, and a rare stone on top of that, making it a mark of status to acquire for most trainers. Garchomp is a pokemon she raised from an egg, it's her most powerful, most trusted partner, and one of the strongest pokemon in that region. Milotic is a pokemon that evolves from the ridiculously rare Feebas, and evolves through maxing it's beauty, symbolising the care she took to raise it. Roserade again requires a rare stone to evolve, like Togetic, and is another rare pokemon, but it's a repeat from Gardenia that symbolises the gap between a gym leader and the Champion. Lucario, we only see Riley use aside from Cynthia, and that's the only way we can get a Riolu egg, so again, we understand what she went through to get her Lucario. We can relate to Cynthia and the difficulty she had cultivating this team, and it's a team that we could raise ourselves in game (which is a fun challenge I recommend). Geeta doesn't do anything like that for me. We see Geeta a few times in the main game, and I never got anything close to what I felt from Cynthia from Geeta. I struggled through the Paldean E4 on my first playthrough, and absolutely washed Geeta like she was nothing.
The headmaster was the one who scared me, I had to use Restores. Geeta, I finished her with 3 Pokemon in good shape, no restore needed. I think I one-shot her ace with the pom pokemon too.
Basically this. Her team showed that she did in fact travel the entire Sinnoh Region and did everything a champion should do, which is everything there is to do. The team felt like it was built through playing through the game. Having a lead with zero weaknesses and pressure was a power move if I've ever seen one.
I dont think anyone is willing to argue Cynthias team, especially pre-fairy, was terrifying. but for me it was Cynthias atmosphere, theme, design, and even the little bit of exposition throughout DPP all came together to make her intimidating before the battle even started. Blue, Lance, Steven, and Wallace, were champions. Cynthia was a fucking force of nature.
@@John-StarkCan someone please explain why people had such a hard time with Volo? I beat him with two pokemon around his levels. All I did was use the grit system.
@@MiriaJiyuu To me I least was every time I beat one of his pokemon the next one he sends could beat mine with one hit. We're basically trading pokemons. Beat only Volo was easy, but then Giratina appears and I have to fight 2 stages of her with only 2 pokemons and her move pools covers very well her weakness.
@@MiriaJiyuuI mean...that's basically what I did with Cynthia in both Pearl and Platinum. Guess some people just struggle less with certain fights than others.
I will argue it. Never lost to her once. Diantha terrifies me more as she was the only champion i lost to not just once but 3 times my first playthrought.
And if Geeta put Kingambit last, Kimgambit would get a 50% power increase due to its ability. And, her ace is one of the best SET UP mons, but its her LAST. GAMEFREAK. WHY.
The reason is obvious: they gave Glimora and Geeta matching designs and ace mons generally are used last by most trainers. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Arven was literally the only battle in the game that I lost to/had any difficulty with. Granted I was also 20 levels under-leveled, but still. It was so satisfying to finally beat him. I feel like gamefreak keeps making the battles easier to keep kids from getting discouraged when they lose, but personally I feel its better to help encourage kids to think outside of the box to defeat a tough battle and let them experience the joy of a true win. Cynthia is one of the most iconic champions for a reason, and its not because she was a pushover.
@@Randomd0g I think the thing about SV's open world nature is that there's going to be stuff you're overlevelled for... but also, if you want to, you can choose precisely what stuff you're underlevelled for or on curve for. If you're underlevelled for Arven, of course he's gonna be a tough fight. I don't remember much about the Arven fight (other than his very self-aware "we're going to have a battle to see if we're ready for Area Zero. Mostly to see if I'm ready" line and the bit about him using the pokemon he'd met along his journey to beat the Titans), but I also fought him after the Elite Four, Geeta and Nemona (fwiw I'd say he was tougher than Geeta, but a *lot* easier than Nemona). It's not a bad team though, and he's a good lad. Honestly both he and Penny could be Champions if it was what they really wanted.
When I finished her fight, my immediate first thought was "Ok, someone at Game Freak REALLY screwed up the order of her pokemon". Like, seriously, it's as if they accidently pushed every pokemon up one slot causing Glimmora to go last and Kingambit second to last. I know this game is broken but this champion was actually inexcusable.
reason is that she needed the Rock tera and thats the Problem Game Freak Had 1 Type Missing with tera.. and that was Rock and glimmora is the only good offensiv Rock Type mon in that Game
And? What’s stopping Geeta from terrastilizing first? Every trainer up to this point has terastilized their final Pokémon, a strategy most people get used to very quickly. So, it would be nice if she could throw players for a loop by starting out strong.
@It's Yuh Boyyy tera ghost kingambit isn't worth it, you want the damage boost to its dark moves. Even scarier would be if her kingambit got sucker punch to make up for its speed.
Something that helped Cynthia be as memorable as she was, not just for her difficulty but as a character, is that she made herself present several times before you even challenge her. She aids you, she's tough and she's upstanding: we get to experience her before we experience her. Geeta? She doesn't even contribute to the story. And even if she was a lead into Nemona, it's still shameful that they did her so dirty.
I think if she has the second team he set up, we wouldn't have to meet her much. We know she's the Champion and her intimidating line of "I'm unable to hold back" would be enough when she's rocking that unit of a team
No wonder the gym leaders think very lowly of her, especially Tulip, the person who loathes her the most. Now I understand why. I sometimes wonder if they accidentally brought not only Spanish nature to the game, but also the nature of its politics. We know for a fact Spain is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. This can be seen as a "take that!" on it.
@@PanamanianMan317 thats definitely not it. She's just a strict business woman thats a champion and heads the education department. That's unique from all the other champions. But i can see why ppl think thats boring. Gamers wont really connect with a character like that.
@@verxintRising I remember reading that line and going "Ohh is this gonna be a tough challenge for me then?" I never forgot what a farce that line was when other champions who didn't boast like that were far better in composition and difficulty.
By your definition, that's almost every Champion. I'm actually glad they don't shove the Champion in the main story. She doesn't have too. She can just do her own thing. She has to feel like a Champion though, that's why the Champion of Champion, Leon is so underwhelming, and annoying as a character as he constantly poses each time you see him. Geeta, personality and character wise is actually fine. What she needs is a stronger AI and team. Heck, every Champion from here on out should.
Glimmora as her ace was also watered down by the fact that there was a billion of them in the Great Crater. I mean sure it's rare outside the crater but after defeating Cynthia you didn't find Stark Mountain full of Garchomps. Sort of takes away from the impact it has as a CHAMPION'S ACE!
Glimmora as an ace is also a terrible choice coming off the fact it's ability is better at the very start, not as the last when everyone dead. Then she had a KINGAMBIT with Supreme Overlord not as an Ace... *Glimmora even if rare, was pointless as an Ace ;-;*
@@tyshawnstubbs9315 if she sent out Glimmora at the start and then ended with like Tera steel Kingambit, that would make her fight so much more challenging and fun
I’ll never forget defeating her Kingambit as her first Pokémon, and her *last* Pokémon, Glimmora, as it scatters spikes all over the battlefield. What complete buffoonery 🤦🏼♂️
The funny part is it was the Glimmora that actually tripped me up when I first fought her. I hadn't seen one or a Glimmet before, so I didn't know what its typing was, and my Pokemon didn't exactly have an advantage against Rock/Poison. (Picked Fuecoco) Of course on the second round, I kicked her ass as easily as I should have the first time.
You know it's bad when you remember that Nemona held back against her. Almost made me think that Nemona became the best trainer in Paldea, not because of Geeta, but because of fricking wild pokemon.
The way I see it, the only reason Nemona isn't the champion is because until the player comes along, she holds back against EVERYBODY so that they can have fun battling her, which isn't a good mindset to have as the top champion.
I swear, they focused to much on nemona and clavell that they forgot to do something to la primera. And btw the best answer to the mismatch of Geeta having kingambit at the end because "dont match colors" was an easy option to make her more memorable. A shiny kingambit.
I would LOVE to see a Champion use a shiny Pokémon as their ace. That would be dope. Game Freak generally ignores the fact that shiny Pokémon exist in the plot
@@pokemontrainer8991 Well it’s been a point now ever since XY with Diantha and Mega Gardevoir and Leon and Charizard. (Not counting Sun and Moon since there’s no Champion) Geeta and Glimmora obviously continue that aesthetic trend now with newer games. Even though it’s a super bad ace Pokémon. =w=
I've been thinking a lot about how terrible Geeta's team and literally just moving her Glimmora to the beginning and her Kingambit to the end would make her so much better. Glimmora having access to Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, its Toxic Debris ability, etc make it a phenomenal setup mon and it baffles me that it's her ace. It makes absolutely no sense
Like seriously you can use lower BST Pokémon well if you plan around it I kept a clossgire the entire time as a toxic spike it died quickly but you only need 2 layers to badly poison
@@Nosretep Why would you make this thing Terra. The whole point of Glimmora is to set up. Stealth Rock, get hit, Toxic Debris, and if you liv, you get Toxic Spikes x2 which is hella good. As well, you could possibly just toxic the lead to be safe, or set up something else that could be dangerous. It's a set up sack Pokémon.
Geeta is painfully easy for a “Top-Champion” but I always thought the reason why they made her easier is because the real challenge was supposed to be the final fight with Nemona. Geeta herself said something along the lines of “I could tell that she (Nemona) was holding back even while fighting me, so seeing you get to have real battle of equals with her almost makes me jealous.”
ya Nemona for me was the real champion. I mean the "Pokemon League" story doesn't end with Geeta and becoming champion, but with Nemona as she wanted to battle a rival at full power that no one else could. Cause she was extremely gifted trainer who dominated her way into becoming a champion. That Geeta is purposefully weaker of the 2 fights because Geeta is more of a Door Boss into Nemona.
Nemona was honestly pretty easy for a champion. In addition to farming off raids (which I did), the auto-battle feature grants you even more free exp. Doesn’t help that Nemona’s final team was pretty mediocre to say the least
@@legomagic007_YT Well, the game is gonna be a bit easier if you spend a lot of time grinding hp. I caused so many Chansey massacres that all my Pokémon were around 10-20 levels above Nemona’s, but I could still understand how certain fight could be tougher if A: You’re at the same or lower level or B: You’re in fact not great at Pokémon and don’t have an optimal team. My first time playing, I nearly wiped to Arven’s Greedant alone because my Pokémon were 5-9 levels below his. I had rushed defeating all the titans
@@TheLordWrappedInLight-yf3nz Ok first of all, “back in my day”? Give yourself some credit, the first games was only 27 years ago, and presumably you’re not even a senior citizen yet. Value your youth, friend. Go be wild, you’re only young once. Secondly I agree, newer Pokémon games have gotten alot easier. I’m actually pretty excited cause I found my old DSI with Pokémon Black 2, and it’s gonna be pretty challenging without the exp share that’s always present in the newer games. I’ll never have to train my Pokémon as hard as I will for a measly few levels in that game
@@ily2m803 Okay, there's a LOT wrong with what you just said, there. Firstly, 27 years IS a long time. There are people who work full-time jobs now, that weren't even born when Pokemon first came out. Secondly, maybe they were in their 30s when Pokemon came out and they're now in their 60s, you don't know this person. Everything after that, yeah I agree with you. The Pokemon games have gotten a lot easier.
I like the idea of her using Armorouge or Ceruledge depending on the version you're playing, but she should use the OPPOSITE one from the one you can get in your version so you can see the badass that you're missing by not having the other version.
@@Astral-Zed I did only minor changes for geeta. overall i improved her movesets and swapped avalugg for another pokemon from a older gen:Tyranitar(it would give her a pseudolegendary a champion never used before, except blue but only in his rematches... also his sandstorm ability supports kingambit and glimmora a bit.) and her veluza against Ceruledge/armarouge. Espathra is actually a annoying lead to deal with. with her special ability,Lumina crash and screens. I kept gogoat probably because i'm biased i like gogoat he maybe is a mono grasstype but acccording to stats one of the strongest non-legendary grasstypes and his ,moveset really isn't bad. Kingambit is obvious and always the second last pokemon. and glimmora still her last pokemon simply because i doesn't want to change her ace pokemon. at least i improved glimmoras moveset and gave it a lifeorb to make this thing hitting really hard!
Battling her was SO disappointing because I really liked her character design when she was first introduced. I legit thought to myself, "Damn, her team's probably gonna be insane when I fight her." And her team is literally just pokemon you can find anywhere (aside from Kingambit) 😭
@@discoshark7767 Same. The professors, director, and rivals all look better by comparison when it comes to design imo, she looks a bit better in 2D but still looks… meh compared to champions like Cynthia, Steven, even Diantha, who I wasn’t much of a big fan of either.
I kinda assumed her Kalos pokemon combined with the fact she appears to care more about the spectacle was our hint she is from Kalos. This would also explain why why she isn't that great at battling as Kalos trainers train more to give a show rather than winning.
So the Pokémon trainers of the Paldea region are just so incredibly terrible at battling that a random kalosian trainer goes there and becomes champion? Gotcha. Diantha isn't such a push over either and has cooler Pokémon.
You know, they could’ve made lore about how her bisharp protected her from other strong bisharps thus causing it to evolve into kinggambit and becoming her first partner.
It’s really crazy to think they had 3 Pokémon that either had psychic moves or were psychic type for the champion, in a gen where two of the starters are dark and ghost
Geeta when she realizes there are 20 ghost type Pokémon in the Paldea Region and there are plenty of choices that can abuse the weaknesses of her team:
AMEN for giving her a Gholdengo! There's a lineup of great new Gen 9 Pokémon like Gholdengo, and yet they opted to give her a GOGOAT and AVALUGG? Gholdengo's a special Pokémon not just because of its golden look but also since you have to do so much coin searching to get the amount of coins needed to evolve Gimmighoul into a Gholdengo. On top of the fact it's a machine in battle once evolved. It's a Champion-worthy Pokémon, and our golden string cheese boi deserves so much more. Also, if you're going to give Ceruledge and Armarouge to Geeta, you should make it so she uses the version that isn't in the game you're playing. That would give her team a bigger "Wow, I've never seen that before! She's a Pokémon whisperer!" factor since it's very possible the player may not know Charcadet had a different evolution.
Her team in the Indigo Disk DLC has been upgraded, she now LEADS with Glimmora, has an Avalugg, Chesnaught, Espathra, Dragapult and her ace is Kingambit.
@@LuisFelipe-pq9lrI mean half of her team is fine but yeah, Avalugg, Chesnaught, and Espathra, using the AI to control them no less, that’s just rancid
Kinggambit really makes sense for her ace, most people won’t know it even exist as its evolution method is so specific so it’ll be a surprise, and thematically it’s a perfect pick too, Kinggambit is supposed to be the leader of the pack who according to the pokedex only the strongest of Bisharp get the privilege to become a Kingambit, just like a champion! Glimmora is definitely a cool pokemon but I just imagine how in promo art or in the anime the champions always look so awesome standing right beside their ace and then Geeta will be standing right beside a small ball of petal shaped spikes. Even Diantha which in my opinion is more forgettable than Geeta looks more iconic with her Mega Gardevoir than Geeta with Glimmora
Yeah, both are also very alike physically and personality wise, Geeta being the last trainer and boss of the bunch at the league also works super well with Kingambit, and Geeta's color scheme even matches shiny Kingambit
I wonder if it has to do something with the DLC. There seems to be something up with Geeta and her using Glimmora. Glimmora is only found in the wild in Area Zero and we even learn that it’s ‘petals’ are probably tera crystals. Maybe she’s an AI too?? Or something to do with the third legendary
@@Samarlaropa i think it more has to do with what the top comment says. Each pokemon in her team represents a part of paldea, and glimmora specifically represents area zero And yeah i do think glimmora will have to do something with the third legendary. It was already being hinted at that the third legendary is the reason behing the terra crystals in area zero
@@Samarlaropa I'm honestly not sure why GameFreak decided to put so much emphasis on Glimmora being in Area Zero because it very much appears in other areas. It can be rarely found in Alfornada Cavern and Glimmet can be found both there and most other caves in the game. It's rare but it does spawn. For some reason they made it seem like it ONLY appears there. It definitely has significance, it's just weird the way they went about pointing it out.
I originally thought Glimmora should be her lead, but after you brought up Palafin I think a Palafin lead with an immediate Flip Turn into Glimmora would be a really solid opening here, allowing Palafin to transform as soon as possible and activate Glimmoras ability via a surprise that the player might not be ready for in one opening move.
I agree. Even base Palafin is nearly as strong as Veluza, but way more unique. You could also give it the Item Eject-Button to make the switch more reliable for the AI. But then they probably wouldn't always switch in Glimmora next. I think the Team I would have chosen for Geeta would be: Glimmora (Lead) Azumarill Eelektross Noivern Ceruledge (in Scarlet)/Armourage (in Violet) Kingambit (Ace/Dark-Tera)
@@smembino740 I think the point was to use more gen 9 pokemon as opposed to older pokemon like she already does. Secondly Hassel already has a Noivern.
@@smembino740 I honestly hate when they don’t give champions Pokémon mostly from their own region I’d keep espathra because I think people underestimate its signature move I honestly really like the idea for the final team comp in the video If we wanna get a little crazy kilowattrel is very fast and has decent sp attack
@@smembino740 they could make it a scripted move like how in gym fights after the terastylize the gym leader says a line after like the first turn and is forced to use a move of their typing
You know what would be interesting... Running a simulation of Geeta's current team and having it face against the different gym leaders and E4 to see if she could beat any of them.
I saw a meme that had a "theory" that Geeta's team is actually a Nuzlocke team that she used: - Espathra: A Pokemon that is caught that you didn't really expect to be good - Gogoat: Early game death fodder that lasted surprisingly long - Veluza: A mid game encounter that never got replaced - Avalugg: A Pokemon that should probably have been switched out/replaced but the trainer got emotionally attached to it and wanted to use it - Kingambit: Pokemon that carried your team after the starter Pokemon died - Glimmora: The rare encounter that the trainer found in Victory Road and was used to replace a dead Pokemon
Let me fix it for you: Glimmora: matched her so she picked it as her main cos she’s simple. Also it beats the grass types and rock types that would counter veluza. Gogoat: Grass type core. It also beats the rock types that threaten scaling Veluza: water type core Pokémon with psychic to take out fighting types which threaten a lot of her team Kingambit: extremely op mom with high stats and op pros that outweigh the insignificant cons. Also it’s dark which counters the psychic types which threaten he glimmora. It’s steel which counters rock and ice which would threaten her gogoat and avalugg Espathra: High stat Psychic type to counter the fighting types that threaten her whole team Avalugg: nice bulky type that can hit most things for neutral damage and can take advantage of snow if the opponent uses it, also hits dragons that would easily threaten her team and counters grass ground and flying types that threaten alot of her Pokémon like 4x weak ground glimmora, 2xweak flying gogoat, and then veluza who’s weak to grass. Wow it seems like she has a team that tries to cover up for the weaknesses, but since she’s only fought weak Paldean trainers she hasn’t fully grasped the way to team build. Your stupid made up theory with no base is just annoying and lame. The actual theory is that she is not the actual champion of the region.
It's also worth noting that Dondozo has unaware which lets it try to shut down the ever-classic "I set up swords dance and proceed to one shot the entire enemy team" strat. I think it's great to give the champion something that throws a wrench in an otherwise virtually fail-safe strategy against an AI opponent.
Espathra ALMOST accomplishes that by having the Opportunist ability (I didn't realize this, so using shell smash against it wasn't great hah), but it is a special attacker so really only punishes you if you are trying to set up sp atk boosts I guess. Unaware Dondozo just does it better though, agreed.
They say that if you speak her name 3 times infront of a mirror, the air becomes cold, and sounds of a piano can be heard slowly getting louder. You can try to run, but a voice will tell you "You can't run from a Pokemon Battle"
if we really wanted to make geeta memorable and absolutely OP I would’ve made her team: 1. Glimmora with air balloon 2. Espartha with leftovers 3. Arboliva with grassy seed 4. Palafin with choice scarf 5. Baxcalibur with lum berry (or belly drum cetitan with sitrus berry) 6. Kingambit with life orb I would’ve rather had a champion that took multiple attempts for me to beat rather than one I could sweep with the first pokémon in my party
One other glaring issue I see with Geeta’s team: if you picked Fuecoco, you can sweep at least 4 of her 6 team members with Skeledirge (arguably 5 if you can out speed Kingambit or live it’s attack)
Quaquaval can too. Aqua Step murders Glimmora, Brick Break slaughters Kingambit and Avalugg, and Ice Spinner kills Gogoat. And I'm pretty sure it gets a Dark move meaning Espathra just dies
Also the fact that if you chose fuecoco, you steamroll 5/6 mons on her team with your stab typing. Really wish she wasn’t such a pushover, your changes would have made her definitely more memorable and challenging
If you teach meowscarda a decent fighting move its the same, only needing to switch for gogoat. Or ya know, just night slash. Cause it's gogoat. Dark for bird, grass(or dark) for fish or the ancient one, fight for samurai, fight for ice cube.
Quaquaval sweeps her team extremely easily you have fighting type moves that deal with half her team and also flying type moves to deal with the grass type the only mon that it has trouble with is espathra
I like the idea of her having Espathra second to last, have the ability Speed Boost, and know Calm Mind and Baton Pass. Imagine getting the special defense and speed increases passed onto Kingambit. Now THAT would be champion level
I genuinely think Kingambit was supposed to be her ace. The rest do set-up, hazards, stat reduction, and die pretty easily. You’re unlikely to have seen Kingambit because of its difficult nature to obtain, an unexpected evo to an old mon is wild, the idea of feeling like you’re steamrolling her only to get flattened by the final mon feels very fitting to the general concepts as executed in Paldea re: levelling, and her role as a noble ‘true king’ feels very reflected in this mon. And then I bet some executive meddling said ‘actually Glimmora should be her ace because of its Relevance To The Lore’ and that means it has to be the one to terastylize so has to be the final mon (the thing Kingambit needs to really function). Now why you wouldn’t retool the team after that judgment I don’t know, but then I don’t see why a database of appropriately levelled teams to be called so you can do the badges in any order is more than a day or two of work either.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami They cater to the lowest common denominator, 6 year olds who's idea of a team is "My starter is da best evar!1!!1" I'll give it to Gamefreak this time though, this was probably the single best story we've had for pokemon plot wise. An absolutely PHENOMINAL plot. It feels like something that could realistically happen to a main character, not dealing with insane "I'm the MC so everything revolves around me" where a kid of all things takes down a huge criminal empire... because he beat the villain and made him feel bad? Seriously, the kanto games should practically end the moment you reach Govanni. With a bullet in your head. (Obviously not what would happen because that would just be a bad ending to a game, but what realistically WOULD happen if some hopped up teen broke into a criminal base.) Paldea's Team Star though? A damn near perfect fit for a thing a kid would deal with, with believable reasoning for it to go down the way it ended up doing so. What goes down with the professor in Area Zero? A man/woman breaking under the stress, losing sight of his original goals while in an area practically cut off from human contact for an extended time? Or Arven's storyline, where he seems like an absolute ass and an easy main villain candidate, only for us to find out why he is acting the way he is because his parent has basically abandoned him for the pokemon that said parent had him give the pokeball of to you? Let alone all of the far more spoilery stuff I'm not gunna say here.
Cynthia was honestly so cool, Just the piano solo whenever she appears on screen, and the big contrast of her outfit in the overworld, first time you see her, you are already wondering who she is. And her color palette is so different compared to all of the other characters we see. And also her helping us occasionally throughout the region creates good buildup to her, and we know shes the real deal and can get stuff done. Meanwhile modern game champions are just there, no buildup, " Diantha who? "
As Lance once said: "You don't get to be champion of the Pokémon League without knowing how to spam FULL RESTORES!" So, as if it wasn't already obvious, dis bitch ain't no one's champion.
Honestly, i've had harder battles in 3-4 star raids than Her. She should at the very least be on the power level of a 5-6 star raid... where if u don't bring the right thing u prolly are going to have a "tough" time... There should be some level of preparation and risk of failure... but gamefreak wants to protect the fragile egos of children and make things easy for them... we just have to remember these games are marketed and designed for children, and that we just happen to love and enjoy these children games.
My Skeledirge easily destroyed most of her Pokémon because of her glaring weakness to Fire and Ghost, and it was around the same level as her Pokémon, while the Elite 4 actually fought back xd
@@Silux_Ray anyone who's played through Sinnoh can tell you: DO NOT underestimate Staraptor. Easily one of the best Normal birds out there, if not THE best
I was plowing through Geeta’s team without a hitch until she sent out Kingambit and proceeded to wipe out half of my team. It’s amazing how simply changing her team’s order would’ve made her more formidable. How did the devs screw this up so badly??
When I battled her I genuinely thought the point of her line up was to be sacrifices to boost her ace Kingambit after she sent it out. Meaning the reason they were bad was so that they could go down quicker. But then I realized she still had one more pokemon and got really confused why it wasn't Kingambit.
That's perfect for lore too, In-game, we don't take her role as Top Champion, she's there to _test us_ if we're able to become a Champion-ranked Trainer. But if it's not true, she's getting the Leon Treatment in the Anime 100%.
I was actually scared of fighting Geeta at first. The only Pokémon I knew she had was Glimmora (because of spoilers) and I thought it WOULD BE her leading Pokémon, not her "ace"... My team was quite vulnerable to spikes. In the end she got swept no issues. Just sad.
@@celenatoppin9675 Or you know, NOT MAKE IT YOUR ACE. Some trainers can do that, specially in the 5th gen where you'll usually face Ghechis Hydreigon 2nd or 3rd... Now that I think about it, in gen 5 if you had a bad matchup against their Ace they did not doubted on sending it, because I remember Burgh sending Leavanny second against Drilbur, same for Shauntal sending chandelure 3rd to destroy my Lilligant. They PREFERED to send their ace last but it wasn't mandatory if that could force a switch due to a supereffective move... even though it could lead to ridiculous moments like Ghetsis sending Seismitoad against a fast grass type instead of their X-Scissor steel type (They should've put Eelektross as his ace).
First, I guess you didn’t see it terastalize in the spoiler, and second, the real kicker is that Kingambit is literally made to be an ace, and is on her team
What's really dumb is the fact that all the Elite Four and Champion Tera their Ace pokemon into their type specialty. Which means Geeta was basically locked into having a Tera Rock type as her Ace since it was the only Titan type not covered by a trainer.
Not only should kingambit have been her ace, but as a few others have pointed out here it should've been shiny. Matches her hair and makes it all the more memorable
All champions should have teams like Cynthia and their FIRST champion battle team be region exclusive. The other fights can change with other region aces from time to time so they can seem like actual champions with IQs above 50. Like they are experimenting to overcome YOU.
@@donellebullock7404 Cynthia has a Milotic which isn’t Gen 4. As long as they stay within their Regional Dex and it makes sense for them to use, it shouldn’t be a problem imo…and the latter is Geeta’s issue lol
@@fruit3193 Milotic was also extremely rare in DPPT and fit with her team very nicely. She could have had a lumineon, but that would have been lame lmao
Speaking of memorable, Steven sending out his Metagross for the first time made a huge impact on me. The fact that you couldn't get it until after the battle really made it that much better. For Geeta on the other hand, I genuinely felt nothing.
You should have felt pity. A region with a dedicated trainer academy has a less competent champion than Alola, a region without a league or even like a damn supermarket, who didn't even have a proper champion but a stand in. Paldea and Kalos truly are worthy adversaries.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290yep which just make nemona seem even less impactful since she got the champion rank from this champion, at that point just make Gea the secret champion you can fight and have Nemona as the actual champion, and have her bust out her real team against you, she been watching you grow through the whole journey, even restarted her journey just to make sure that we become eligible to fight the champion which would be just a cool idea to think about, have a champion that literally restarted their journey and helped you grow to make you their perfect challenger for the end
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I mean even though Diantha was super weak at the very least her team choice was filled with memorable pokemon that actually stood out. Instead of fucking gogoat.
Leon should also be used as a mold, especially because, like Geeta, he's hyped up for the entire game and then lives up to the hype. Leon LEADS with a freakin' aegislash!
Leon was surprising. With how a lot of SwSd was I wasn’t expecting much from him but thankfully he was at least fun and had good enough Pokémon to be taken seriously as a champion
i just wish he had some more pokemon from his region, i really liked how half of his team changed depending on your starter, and its shame they couldnt had kept it that way or even at least made geeta have 2 diferent teams depending on version.
@@jacquelineking5783 who even has difficulty at any of the games champion battles lmao. Battle Leon post game at the tower instead, its more entertaining.
I honestly really like your choices for her final team but with Armarouge and Ceruledge, I would have it where the one she has is opposite of what version you have. If you have Scarlet, she has Ceruledge. If you have Violet, it’s Armorouge. That way it still feels different bc you can’t get that evolution in your game.
@@barrybend7189I think like in the video Arboliva is a great choice. Can set up grassy terrain for heals, strength sap for healing and enemy attack drops, it can use screens, earth power for some coverage, decently bulky, great special attack, and it's also grass/normal like Sawsbuck
@@markmagician2471i mean, Gogoat is cool. I’ve had Jumpluff on my final team for nuzlock reasons, but i wouldn’t be impressed if i saw one on a champion team. Jumpluff was more of a scout than anything else.
My theory is she doesn't even want to be the champion anymore. You think that's her true team? Something that even the gym leaders can beat? Fk that she wants you to take the title so she can retire.
Maybe her team should be a "if I get hit you get punished team" like rocky helmets, eject button palafin, the grassy terrain olive pokemon, toxic spikes glammora, Rage fist annilape, Then finally kingambit will be the ultimate punisher, punishing you for all the mons you have KO'ed. Would make the fight memorable because enough are getting punished for hitting her.
Funny enough in the postgame one of the teachers Ms.Raifort correctly uses an intended strategy by sending out a Zoroark disguised as her ace Gengar (to trick you into using a super effective dark type move that'll get resisted or a psychic type move that won't even work) meaning Geeta incorrectly using Glimmora is completely intentional lol! I miss the days where important NPC trainers would actually switch their mons in battle, didn't save their ace for last and regularly used items too (it made the gameplay more immersive imo).
glimora was her ace just because of similarity with her hair. i mean i kinda accept it, but the rest of her team REALLY should had been better, i dont like the idea of kingambit as her ace, i think the champions ace being a mon from their region is better (i know theres leon and diantha, but one is charizard circlejerk the other at least was a mega. maybe diantha should have had diancie, i know its a legendary but still) however it really should be hardcoded to always come 5th, and her lead should had been a palafin that always flip turned imediately unless you had a water absorb/storm drain lead so she would just switch out manually. gogoat, avalugg, espathra and veluza all should go away as well and give her better mons, even if she doesnt have baxcalibur because the dragon E4 had one, she should have other better ones.
@@unkindled6410Kingambit follows your desires, as if it didn't, it would have the spot occupied by Bouffalant on the national Pokédex, and would also be on a _proper_ Unova Pokédex instead of an oceanic area The Pokémon Company called a part of Unova despite no indication that such is the case. Conclusion: Indigo Disk was the afterthought of the two DLCs, and it's logical to consider cross-generational evolutions, and regional variants for that matter, part of their debut region unless there is actual lore indication otherwise.
My biggest issue with her is that she’s still considered the “top champion” when she was canonically defeated by two children, and she outright admitted that Nemona wasn’t even going all out against her. Clearly, Geeta isn’t the top champion, Nemona is.
Fr. I defeated Geeta’s team without breaking a sweat. But Nemona absolutely DESTROYED my team at the end. I won that battle after losing every member of my team except my starter. The only reason as to why I won is because her starter was at disadvantage to mine otherwise I would have lost.
@@joress I still think it's a missed opportunity that Nemona doesn't terastalise her starter into a type advantage against yours (eg: if you picked Sprigatito, she turns her starter fire). Considering the starters have the type advantage against each other through Fighting, Dark and Ghost, it would give her a resistance to yours and moves to counter your starter.
@@LowIntSpecimen True, but remember, Nemona isn't looking to be the best because she's already CONSIDERED, one of the best. She wants a rival who can beat her in a pokemon battle without holding back. Also, it takes a lot of tera shards to change a pokemon's tera type.
I think the reason she's still top champion is cause top champion is basically a full time job of running the pokemon league so it'd be weird if a kid became top champion and just suddenly had to run the entire pokemon league for the nation
I was like 5 levels lower than the elite four and didn't bring many healing items, and I genuinely struggled with them. Then, when the champion came around, I was quite scared only to realize she was the easiest battle in the whole game.
I am so glad I was such a scavenger or else I seriously wouldn’t have been able to beat them I didn’t buy a single item that wasn’t a pokeball or cosmetic my entire run
I was a little overleveled for the Elite Four and Rika and Hassel still gave me a run for my money (though that might just be because I lacked a Water type to deal with Rika, whose Ground typing silver bulleted my team hard as Abomasnow somehow always gets taken out easily when I use it, and Hassel quickly dealt with my Fairy and Ice types, who were Abomasnow and Tinkaton, leaving me struggling with Garganacl, who was only mostly managing), I was expecting a fight that might actually knock out my team, which hadn't happened all game, and then Skeledirge swept pretty much the entire team and I felt downright bored
The thing about Geeta is the structure of the game undermines her. Nearly every other champion is the last battle you have before the credits role. Geeta is the second to last battle in one of three routes that you need to complete all of to get to the last stage of the game. This means that they probably shouldn't push her too hard lest she overshadow everything that comes after her. Of course they could have given her much more than they did. It's unfortunate because I think Geeta's design is possibly my favorite among every champion.
that's backward. We shouldn't expect Geeta to be as hard of a fight as the other champions BECAUSE there are 4 harder fights level-wise. Hell, 2 of them are canonically stronger
I disagree. She could put up a good fight despite not being the final boss: Nemona is a total pushover anyway, Arven and Penny are decent but nothing special and Sada/Turo would still be the greatest obstacle in the game just because they have a team of 6 570 bs pokemon and the last one has the potential to set up and sweep. Also why the hell shouldn't her be a tough fight just because the story continues after her? That doean't fit thematically at all, she's the super champion or however she's called, but she's weaker than the last e4
I personaly believe that the reason why geeta is such a pushover is that she is supposed to be like a fifth elite 4 member (gamplay wise). The actual "Champion" which you need to defeat to become the strongest Trainer and end the normal pokemon journey is nemona. She is supposed to be the last big chalange you have to overcome, therby sadly making the top Champions Look like they only got the Job because of bribes or something
@@dollscentedhunter2514The more I think about it, the more the idea of Geeta being corrupt makes sense. I found it ethically questionable that she’s both the Pokémon League Chairwoman and the Top Champion. Especially in a region where the title of Champion can’t really be taken from you. The way she treats her employees also seems unethical in light of what Larry says about docking his pay if he chitchats with challengers. That didn’t seem to be a problem with the other Gym Leaders even in other regions. Also, I don’t like how she basically strong arms Penny to working for her for life. I know it’s setup as this magnanimous gesture that Geeta forgave her for stealing League Points, but it seems Geeta got the better part of the deal. She can get Penny to work for her and completely dominate the terms of her employment. And her personality seems, for lack of better words, very fake. Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I like her.
I think espathra having the set that got it banned in OU would be good, give it speed boost and have it protect turn 1, then have it calm mind turn 2 and try to sweep you.
i personally prefer opportunist in this context as having it be a mon that punishes you for trying to mindlessly set up and sweep works better in a champion fight than a lead that 6-0's you, maybe replacing quick attack with substitute so if you attempt to set up you give the boost to it and it gets up a sub
In the context of PvE I think opportunist is better I only do nuzlockes and to me, memorable leads are leads you cannot set up against If you give it speed boost and code it to always T1 Protect, it becomes way too abusable with anything as common as Gyarados In competitive, Speed Boost can send even Blaziken to Ubers because as a human you can use Sword Dance instead of Protect and the game is pretty much won from that In PvE, the only AI you cannot abuse is random AI
I would actually love to maintain the idea that her ace is Glimmora but her strategy change and make that a focus of her character being a fighter with a very different strategy, using her ace to drastically weaken her opponents team paving the way for the other five to crush. It would prove to be both memorable and exciting.
An ace being a support can be iconic. You will realize after getting defeated, that the first pokemon is always being switched in for buffs or debuffs making the fight harder. You will not realize it at first because it is commonly perceived that the pokemon with the strongest dps is a threat. For a first time player, it will look like the other 5 pokemons are very strong and the support will often be overlooked.
Tbh compared to even the most recent game where the champion Leon was so involved in the storyline, with an actual personality, iconic partner pokemon, boss, rival and family, Geeta really fell short for me on that side of things as well.
shit personality and a charizard, you mean? gen 9 has many characters with great lore and development, it's just that geeta isn't supposed to be very important. being champion, or rather top champion in this gen (that is, "leader" of the elite 4) isn't nearly as big as it was in past generations. SV is focused around other things.
ikr he might have been to hig about himself but he really had a memorable personality and team. I didnt like to that he had a lot of pokemon not from galar and even worse his ace is not from galar. Only galar pokemon on his team is his dragapult nad the starter u and hop didnt pick well depending on ur starter he also could have had mr. rime
Not to mention although it might not be the most memorable his team composition wise is one of the strongest in the series maybe even beating cynthia for top spot IMO. For those who dont remember he has ageslash haxerous dragapult his charizard and then a combo of 2 depending on your starter: cinderace and seismitoad if you chose rillaboom, inteleon and mr rime if you chose cinderace and rhyperior and rillaboom if you chose inteleon. If gen 8 in general had been harder this guy could have been the new cynthia
@@finnvaneekelen4966 Well said. Although Cynthia has that badass theme song on her side too lol. Though for Gen 8 the champion battle isn't meant to be some intimidating thing on a remote mountain, we know the champion, he's goofy and an entertainer. I enjoyed that the champion battle theme for Leon had the hall of fame tune being sung by the audience. It definitely had a different sort of charm. I played Geeta's battle only a few weeks ago and for the life of me, I can't remember anything about her theme song.
@@ARobinStory92 eh geeta’s theme is kinda cool imo as it uses leitmotifs from the other champion themes so far. Could have been great if getta actually felt important enough to get it
I actually like your second idea...it gives her stronger pokémon (and makes her much more of a challenge) but also the newly chosen Pokémon look like they belong to a champ what I like about Cynthia, not only is her team strong but Lucario, Garchomp, Spiritomb, Roserade, Milotic and Togekiss feel like champion pokémon even from a design perspective
The main problem with Geetas team is that well her Ace Pokémon is really meant for set up with its ability, honestly if her teams order was rearranged, and the AI was buffed, she wouldn’t be as much as a pushover as she ends up being. Now could that be by design because this game has alot of odd and weird things in it due to the “Time Machine” yeah, geeta has some odd choice of words as well which leads me to belive theory’s that the game is all a big wish. Either way I wish all the gyms and stuff were a bit harder, though you do get to fight them twice so that’s fun
I had more trouble on Larry, who was using the FLYING type, a type he DOESNT even like USING and DOESN’T FEEL COMFORTABLE USING THEM… than the ACTUAL CHAMPION… like, how is that even possible
I think palafin would work really well as a lead. Imagine getting ready to fight the champion they send out their first pokemon and after you attack they immediately recall it and send out Glimmora likely setting up toxic spikes and probably eating a resisted hit. You could have Palafin and Kingambit be sort of a hero and villain thing. Keeping Palafin as a heroic face and the last line of defense before she resorts to the desperate villainous tactics of Kingambit when she has no other option. It would add a lot to her I think and leave people speculating on why she chose these pokemon.
@@herpderp1013 I've always felt that the Elite Four and Champion should be allowed egg moves (mainly for their aces). It helps set them apart as trainers, emphasizing their skill and dedication.
Palafin leading off, switching (or using Flip Turn) into Glimmora, and then coming back out in Hero form as her 2nd-to-last Pokemon before Kingambit is an awesome idea. She would basically have 2 aces at that point.
@@X525Crossfire dude in the original Pokémon games I remember that they straight up gave Lance (final guy in the elite 4) Dragonite an illegal move that it cannot learn at all. lol I wish they would do stuff like that again
In a horrible bit of irony, _Diantha_ was more memorable than her. Even if her team was also kinda crap, I can actually remember it cause it was all new Kalosian Pokemon. The fossils. Hawlucha. Pumpkaboo. Goodra. Her M-Gardevoir. I haven't even played XY since 2014, and it's still more memorable to me than Geeta's whole thing. What's more, Diantha had incomparably better presentation. A radiant chamber of stained glass, inside what's still the coolest League building for me, a cathedral, with a theme I can actually remember. I remember nothing from Geeta aside from the fact that she's not Paldea's only Champion, and her Glimmora.
also Diantha's Gardevoir is iconic (partly due to the fact that its Mega Gardevoir) but also because Diantha herself is an Ok fight at least for me, I remember struggling against her a tad and wasnt steam rolling her like Lysandre
@@itsClaptrap Lysandre was harder in the USUM funnily enough because he had a fucking Gen 6 legendary. I will say that on my playthrough of XY, he actually caught me off guard because he carried Iron Head on his Mega Gyarados and KOed my Sylveon
At least Diantha is finally getting respect, although Geeta deserved to be so much stronger, yet was shafted because she wasn't the final boss. I agree Diantha was a memorable champion for the reasons you said, although I did remember Geeta's Gogoat & Kingambit.
The pawnard family is obviously based on chess pieces. Which would make Kingambit all the better as a final out ace as the King in chess never sees any action until the player has no chose but to use it, meaning the King only typically starts taking pieces towards the endgame
Honestly, I want to give her Ceruledge/Armarouge depending on what version you play. If you play Scarlet, she will have Ceruledge, if you play Violet then she will have Armarouge. (I say this because I believe what he meant was he wants them on same game where they appear, I want the opposite)
Another great and memorable champion is Iris. I mean her battle theme is a party to celebrate your downfall. But that aside, it says a lot when a GYM LEADER has a better Espathra than a Champion, heck RAMOS'S Gogoat from the Coumarine Gym is also better than her's (and his Gym is aesthetically pleasing and not a bland office building like Paldea's League; was Larry the architect of this?)! When I see the two Kalos Pokémon she has, I can't help but also think of Diantha and how much of a sweep she was. Though I guess I could give both her and Geeta the benefit of the doubt because Diantha would rather do her actress work and Geeta's not the true final Victory Road battle since it's Nemona, Paldea's a region of many champions and beating Geeta's just the test to see if you join this rank rather than replacing her, and Geeta's more than just a champion but the chairwoman who formed the whole League and does lots of stuff behind the scenes so she's quite busy.
True, imo a good solution to the geeta problem is to let us have a finale battle with her at the end of one of the DLCs to become the top champion, in which she has a much stronger and improved team. Then this gives us a post game ability to fight different trainers to determine whether or not they can become champions (Arven, penny, etc). I think that would honestly be an amazing feature.
I’m actually glad I’m not the only one who didn’t like Geeta. Her team and her suit (no offense Geeta you look great in it) feel very corporate, like her team is a corporate cop out to make the game easier. That’s NOT what you want in a top champion, I don’t want it to feel like I’m just battling another random trainer. You’re team switch outs have made her look that more intimidating and I love that for her. Thank you!
Which would be further shown by her having a Kingambit which would require her having a Bisharp with a Leader's Crest fighting similar Bisharps so on top of finding all those coins, she sought all those Bisharps to make her's stand above them.
That would have been neato!...at least until the little collector's lore was established. It turns out that little ghost has a habit of subtly mind controlling people into collecting those coins for it. (Including the player) Reminds me of that cute little sand castle that turned out to be a little terror 😨
Geeta would've been awesome with TWO aces: both purple squid to start (Glimmora), going terrastrialized to show off she means business, and Kinggambit in the end as a plot twist! Making her a memorable champion rather than a pushover lol
Ability-wise, it would make sense, too! Glimmora sets up the poison spikes, and then Kingambit gets a boost from the fallen comrades. The order she uses is stupid.
Kinggambit sort of NEEDS the terrastalistation. A speed 50 mon with a 4x weakness to fighting is PITIFUL. At the very least give them a Chople Berry, which would halve the 4x weakness to 2x weakness.
Personally I'm baffled GameFreak always makes the AI use generation gimmicks _last._ It gets super predictable, why not throw the gimmick out first or use it in the middle of the fight to spice things up?
@@aegisScale As a design choice it makes sense. You want players to feel a progression of difficulty, so the boss battle feels EPIC. If the tough part is done first, the rest of the fight would feel flat. Need to have that boss battle phase shift feeling 🙂 With that said, I totally agree with you - the predictability is really becoming an issue. They clearly didn't have the time to deal with Geeta's set-up or consider it's impact on the player, given how many OTHER issues there are 😆
On your first, "safe" team, I would argue that if you didn't use Arboliva, then she could also use Brambleghast as her Grass type - it's got some niche as a part Ghost, plus Wind Rider makes it immune to "wind" moves, such as Heat Wave and Hurricane
“Veluza was also featured on the FOURTH gym leader, you think THAT deserves to be on a champion team?” Meanwhile, Roserade and Lucario: *am i a joke to you?* Okay, I get Veluza has middling stats, but the fourth gym argument isn’t that good imo.
You aren't wrong. However those 2 are far more memorable and to put more points in those 2, they were the aces of their respective gyms unlike veluza. Cynthia having previously gym aces is far from as bad as just a mid game gym's first mon
I would actually argue that Valuza is his ace pokemon. I’m pretty sure Iono says that Bellibolt is her partner and yet she sends out Mismagius last. I’m p sure the Paldean pokemon the use are thier partners or “ace” and then they terastilize a different normal pokemon. Besides it’s kind of weird for Valuza not to be his signiture mon considering it’s his catchphrade and all. Still an awful pokemon for the Champion to use. Rip Donbozo is better 100%. But the ace arguement is kinda shaky considering how the gyms are structured.
I just realized something. Rika's question session is harder than Geeta's fight. I had one wrong answer and was supposed to restart everything. Theoretically, the same occurs with having no Pokémon left over in a fight.
Honestly, I never had difficulties with champions, but Cynthia was something else. I can remember the fight against her took like forever. I only fought her once, but damn, that was something else. It took so many potions and revives, it was intense...
Part of it was our knowledge of the game but also I think Cynthia is always one of the champions with max IVs plus she has basically perfect coverage. She’s arguably harder in BDSP
Hardest champions from when I played was Cynthia, Lance, Iris, and Steven. Sadly Lance's team comp is far easier to deal with now, but back in Gen 2 he was a monster. Iris unlike Alder has a much harder hitting team comp that will make you regret not bringing an ice type. (And was probably a reason for Fairy types to be made since Dark/Dragon was just too op.) Steven... Metagross being Metagross.
In addition to what you discussed in the video, I also find it interesting that, unlike most other champions Geeta doesn't use her gen's Pseudo-legendary pokemon. This isn't the first time. Lance didn't use Tyranitar in gen 2 for instance, but he still at least had Dragonite which was the Pseudo-legendary in Gen 1. Steven has Metagross Cynthia obviously has Garchomp. And while he's not officially the champion, Ghetsis had a Hydreigon in Gen 5. The next time the champion doesn't have their gen's Psuedo is Gen 7 with Kukui not using Kammo-o. Then gen 8's Leon has a Dragapult back on his team. So Geeta not having Baxcalibur on her team seems like a bad start to me.
@@Lv-sl3rm True enough. But in terms of raw power, peudos are at the top of the list when it comes to non-legendaries and non-specialty strats. Obviously any competitive player wouldn't bat an eye at one, but to the average 10-year old who's the game's target audience, seeing something for what is likely the first time show up on the champion's team? Probably wouldn't have a clear answer for it. And if anything, reading my comment again I'd guess it was more idle musings on an observation. I wasn't trying to say she needed one, but it wouldn't hurt.
The one defense I can offer for Gogoat and Avalugg being in her team is that both come from Kalos, which borders Paldea in the north-east. With Paldea being based on Spain and Kalos being based on France, it was sort of bound to happen that Gen 6 Pokemon would peek their head in from their (main) region into Paldea
Then why not have a pokemon from Kalos that's actually good. Hell if you want to play that game, look at Kukui. Alola would be part of Unova and so the man has a Braviary. You don't go "Oh, there's a connection to Unova, get him a Liepard"
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Alola is an archipelago, flying types and water types from other regions would logically be the most common since they wouldn't need some kind of transportation to cross the oceans. Geeta has a Gogoat (i. e. Mountain goat that would be able to climb down the "wall" at the north east of Paldea), and Avalugg, which being an iceberg can definitely have come from the bordering northern sea by just floating south from Kalos. Remember that Pokémon in this game do behave as you would expect them. Flabebé floats away in the wind, Chanceys run away from potential threats and weaker pokémon create packs around stronger ones. I'm by no means saying that that makes Gogoat and Avalugg good, actually, but I think it has some strong lore potential
@MarcelineVampQueen They could have introduced iconic powerhouses of Kalos like Aegislash, Noivern, Dragalge or Greninja (make its ability Protean for ultimate fuckery), or if they wanted to keep the Grass theme, pick Trevenant--literally anything but Gogoat. Say what you want about X and Y, but Kalos has arguably one of the most solid lineups when it comes to pokemon, and a lot of them would've been a better choice than Gogoat. Plus, "realism" is kind of a cop-out considering that invasive species, where humans bring over animals, insects and diseases from other regions that permanently alter the native ecosystem, are a thing, and even have been used as a concept in Pokemon before. They could easily use that concept, or hell, Geeta is the champion and probably rich; maybe she just imported a Trevenant because she thought it was cute and wanted one or smth. My point is, there are a lot of other Kalos choices besides Gogoat, which is honestly a lame choice for a champion lineup.
I think your second team idea is very solid, since Amarouge and Cerueledge are underused in the main game using the one from your game makes perfect sense as it's a "woah that's cool I want it" reaction instead of a useful but less fitting "woah that looks like (my version exclusive) but different what is that?" The only thing I could say is that Kingambit's Tera could be ghost or psychic, specifically the one opposite the Charcaadet evo she got, both to make each version a little more unique and to make it resistant or immune to fighting instead of just regularly weak, plus some extra stab. I think some set like Swords Dance, Kowtow Kleave, Iron Head, and Tera Blast would be cool. Alternatively keep it simpler for the first match and then pull put the ghost/psychic Tera for any rematches. Edit: Actually just had the idea of running the opposite versiom Charcadet evo so that Geeta can give the player a single copy of the opposite game's armor after as a "hey you might want this" thing or something just to make version exclusives that much more connected to the Pokemon world and to let players use both Evos without requiring trading
Honestly, they could have just made Glimmora and Kingambit like a pair of aces for her. Have Glimmora at the start of the party, way higher level than the rest of her team and she makes a remark like "I never did know how to hold back, so why should I keep my strongest Pokemon for last?". It goes down, sets up spikes and then Kingambit at the end of the party as the traditional ace pokemon.
I think what makes it worse is you can only guarantee a fight with her ONCE. Because they removed the ability to rematch the Pokémon league! They only let us reliably fight her one time and didn’t give us a memorable fight 😭
She does make an appearance in the Academy Ace Tournament in the postgame but I'm not certain how often she's guaranteed outside of "definitely the final fight of your first bracket run"
@@kingishking I know. Thats what I mean by reliably. You can only actively choose to fight her once and it’s not memorable at all. It even would have been cool if the ace tournament had the past tournament function where you could choose someone you’d specifically want to enter so you’d have a chance to fight them. But we didn’t sadly 😭
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's complaining about this. You can't rematch the Elite Four and even the Gym Leaders. You can't rematch your rivals either. I mean the rivals show up in the academy tournament but I would rather hear their signature themes instead of the same theme over and over. I really hope this changes EDIT: You only get to rematch the Gym Leaders ONCE. Like. Why?
When I first fought Geeta, the second pokemon she sent out was Kingambit. If she simply led with Glimmora to set up traps, and had Kingambit as her ace, her difficulty would probably double. Still probably not that hard, considering her entire team folds to a single Lokix, but it is something. She is laughably easy.
Its actually super meta to have glimmora come out last. This way when you one-shot it, it will leave it's toxic spikes on the ground for the next challenger to have to deal with right from the start.
Do they not have maintenance people? 🤔 icky building if so, though, I guess that'd be why her battle takes place ontop of the building... so the rain can clean it for her
I think it's a difference in how the champion is portrayed in paldea. Every other region has only one champion who replaces the champion they beat. But in Paldea, it's more like Champions are an elite rank of trainers, who have to beat the elite 4 and the Main Champion to reach that. it's like the e4 is the test to see if you can go pro as a trainer.
A way you can keep Glimmora as her Ace but still make it useful is to have Palafin be her lead and program her to always first turn flip turn into it. Theoretically if it is a higher level than her other mons it will be more likely to survive a hit anyway (although we all know we'd still be overleveled and one shot them all anyway in reality). Even though it started at the back of her party it actually had use and will more than likely go down first setting up the monster of a team this video describes. Obviously finishing with Kingambit for a potential clean up for the unprepared.
In this case I think it's intentional that Geeta is a bit easier than other Champions, because even though she's "Top Champion," her battle is mostly just a test to attain a generalized "Champion Rank," so in a sense it's a glorified Gym Leader fight. Paldea's take on the Elite Four and the Champion battle is a lot more laid-back story-wise than it typically is, with it not being intended as a fight to decide the region's best-of-the-best, but just as a rite of passage to get in with the Champion crowd. Geeta's dialogue during the fight even reflects this, with her not being remotely competitive but rather expressing hope that you'll win the battle. The final battle of Victory Road is against Nemona anyway. A more pressing problem is that she uses the SAME EXACT TEAM in the Academy Ace Tournament despite declaring that she will show you the full might of the Top Champion there. But I suspect that's an aspect of rushed development more than anything.
@@mvplovers24 thats what all characters say. Especially in animes. One come to mind is sasuke and itachi fighting. Sorry if thats way outta left field, but the idea is still there lol
I agree, I hate that her team is the same in the ace tournament. I feel like they could just change it with a patch, idk how hard that would be. Or just give us an elite four rematch in dlc and give her the better team
They could have incorporated her into the area zero story and given her some paradox mons. Glimmora kinda is one seeing as it’s very rare outside of area zero.
Yeah especially with the fact she got a Glimmora meaning she got access. The fact La Primera thinks Nemona is more powerful and was holding back... *The fact that's coming from La Primera who is Geeta says ALOT* And I mean she's not wrong, Nemona is far more challenging than Geeta
Ngl... They should drop Avalugg and Gogoat and give her a Palafin with Flip Turn, and a Gholdengo. Then we drop the Gogoat and Avalugg. Avalugg is just not in a good position at all especially with it's typing and frailty on the special side. Palafin hero form would be great to deal with the Fire, Rock, and Ground problems. We need that Espathra to get buffed to be capable of sweeping ngl. But if not, then replace it with a *Great Tusk (Scarlet) or a Iron Threads (Violet)* I hate how she had a Glimmora but not any other paradox pokemon. Wasted chance to let her clap back. *Honestly I like Gogoat alot and I glad it came back, but like... skeledirge beat it to nothingness*
I did my own rework of Geeta's team a while back and ended up with this: Glimmora, Aqua Breed Taurus, Arboliva, Armarouge/Ceruledge, Hisuian Zoroark and Tera Fighting Kingambit as her new ace. Glimmora is built to stall and set up entry hazards, while the next three form a Fire/Water/Grass core like Blue's Champion team. Aqua Breed Taurus and Arboliva were chosen because the former has similar hair to Geeta and Arboliva has a similar presence/personality. Armarouge/Ceruledge were chosen because they're iconic and powerful pokemon, and Geeta would specifically have whichever one isn't available in your game. Hisuian Zoroark was chosen for 2 reasons: because I wanted to include Hisuian pokemon in my reworked versions of all the important trainers and because it forms a very sneaky interaction with her new ace. Because Kingambit is her last pokemon, Zoroark's Illusion will make it appear as Kingambit, baiting the player to use a 4x super effective Fighting move which won't do anything to the Normal/Ghost Zoroark. This grants it a turn to set up a Nasty Plot and start sweeping. Plus it's fuelled by resentment, like the resentment Larry feels towards Geeta for all the work she piles onto him. Finally, Kingambit was chosen due to it being powerful, having similar hair to Geeta, and being a perfect counterpart to Geeta herself. Geeta is notable as the most powerful trainer among all other Champion rank trainers, just like how Kingambit stands above all other Bisharp and can only evolve by defeating other equally powerful Bisharp.
I love how she says "I am utterly incapable of holding back in pokemon battles" and then I proceeded to one-shot 4 of her 6 pokemon.
she must have been a beast on the scvl equivalent of route 1, that's for sure.
Same but with a duduncparce and all 6
Yeah, my Tauros tore half her team apart. None of my team members fainted, while the Nemona battle (which I did after that) knocked out 5 of my team members!
this is how it was for me cynthia 1 shotting her entire team
I literally had no trouble on geeta or nemona. Game freak needs to up their game.
Another thing that makes cynthias spiritomb so memorable is the most kids going “what the hell is *that?”*
Then after your 4th try realizing it has no weakness
The only thing I remember from Cynthia is just garchomp
@@sebastianhicnapie8170 someone at gamefreak was laughing their ass off when they thought of giving it ghost/dark typing
@@Elemento0420fairy didn’t exist though
@@Elemento0420 fairy wasnt around in gen 4
I think the idea behind her team was one pokemon for each area.
Espartha- The desert
Gogoat- Plains
Veluza- Ocean
Avalug- Snow
Kingambit- Bamboo Forest
Glimmora- Cave
As a champion, representing each area of the region is a cool concept, but the execution is terrible
It could've been executed better, but i do like this concept. Maybe use different pokemon for the Snow, Ocean, and Plains theme
Not to mention she is using an hazard setter as a final and ace Pokemon. Kingambit with sucker punch should be her ace.
its shait
and the rock tera type was because all the Elite Four had the Titans type.
Definitely. Her team was such a huge let down and I was ready to face MY Cynthia since I didn’t play the original pearl and diamond (Leon was hard in swsh and so was the professor in alola btw)
It's funny how Arven, the gyy that used "the friends we made along the way" as his team was somehow stronger than Geeta
Arven demolished me the first time around, but Geeta felt like an insult
@@tde4438This, I had to retry Arven a bunch of times before I beat him the first time, but Geeta was first attempt.
lol truee i fought arven when my pokemon was lvl 38 and i thought welp it is inevitable that id lose then on my second try hes team was much more likable than that of the champions cause of how hes teams is made up from the team to use against the titans much more depth and bond for me though
Arven was basically running a Nuzlocke team and that team was 10 times more terrifying than Geeta's. Think about that for a second.
@@bilboborbinsNo but is that Not literally what he did tho
Another gripe is that generally champions show off by having not only powerful but really difficult to acquire and master, either in-game (Metagross, Spiritomb) or lore-wise (dragons and dark-types are incredibly dangerous) and we see Cynthia sweet talking a very hostile dragonite, and I feel that Lance's entire schtick is his clan knows the secrets of dragon taming.
Geeta by comparison seems like she did a Nuzlocke and has first encounter tier material.
I mean, her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon that can only be obtained somewhat rarely until you go into Area Zero, which you do after you defeat her. Plus, Kingambit is canonically rare-ish to get (and a little annoying maybe) and I stan her for using the ever-so-neglected-after-X/Y Gogoat.
@angelicwarrior1182 Huh, I must be lucky then
I got two Glimmoras
Just stumbled on two of em and promptly caught
I just used em for the Fairy base, then I quickly relegated them
@@akenohononiku916 did you read my comment properly? Glimmora isn’t that easy to get until you go into Area Zero.
@@angelicwarrior118 And I reiterate, I must be _lucky_ then
Found two Glimmets in raids, caught em, and evolved them
I never said they weren't rare
@@akenohononiku916 okay, then everything is redeemed.
Imagine if SHINY Kingambit was her ace…. PERFECTION. It totally matches her whole color scheme and it would’ve been super cool for gamefreak to make her the first champion to OWN a shiny mon. Side note, it also would’ve been cool if she had a Armarouge for the Violet players and Ceruledge for the Scarlet players to REALLY switch it up
All of this.
Also considering they had that one guy in Sun and Moon programmed to have a shiny Exeggcute, they could do it again here.
I think Kingambit should've been her anchor. With Base Attack EV at 130, and Supreme Overlord Ability, it would've been the equivalent to Cynthia's Garchomp. With Espathra using Trick Room to set up for it, as well as Reflect and Light Screen, Kingambit would've been a problem with its ability and Swords Dance. I have a Kingambit with Maxed out Attack stat at 405 and Defense at 372. so you can imagine the damage if Kingambit had the chance. I also have a Glimmora. wonderful Special Attack Damage with a Metronome.
Not sure if i am wrong but wasn't the champion of Ruby and Sapphire someone with a shiny Mega Metang or whatever the name of the final evolution was?
@@RedFeather349 Steven Stone did have a Shiny Metagross, but only in the demo version of ORAS to promote a Shiny Beldum with Metagrossite that was being given away. And it appears as shiny in the anime as well. In all other sources, it's a normal Metagross.
@@marshoul2717 AH okay thhanks for clearing up
Spiritomb was especially unique due to the fact that the likelihood of you having seen Spiritomb before the fight with Cynthia is as good as 0.
The feeling of something unknown and not being sure what to do is great to start the fight with.
Starting with Glimmora would also have the same effect because that pokemon is like super rare and it would cause a player to either hesitate, causing her to set up rocks or attack it and get watch in distress as it sets up toxic spikes.
I'd add that when Spiritomb was introduced, it had literally no weaknesses. So trying to figure out what to hit it with for a super effective move was futile.
Wrong I spent roughly 14 hours in the grand underground until I unlocked spiritomb ended up using It as it was shiny and a modest nature which I was happy with.
@@brycethomas582but he’s right? Who the hell is going to spend 14 hours doing that? Most people first see spiritomb in the Cynthia battle
So exactly like Glimmora? Literal only issue with this fight is the order. Glimmora first and Kingambit last and no one would be complaining.
Cynthia's team wasn't just strong, her pokémon weren't just iconic, they fit her character.
Spiritomb required you to find a weird rock, to place it in a tower to fix a ruin, then speak to a bunch of people, which being the mythology and history buff, as well as personable character she is, we know Cynthia might well have done.
Togetic is a pokemon that requires raising with love and care, and a rare stone on top of that, making it a mark of status to acquire for most trainers.
Garchomp is a pokemon she raised from an egg, it's her most powerful, most trusted partner, and one of the strongest pokemon in that region.
Milotic is a pokemon that evolves from the ridiculously rare Feebas, and evolves through maxing it's beauty, symbolising the care she took to raise it.
Roserade again requires a rare stone to evolve, like Togetic, and is another rare pokemon, but it's a repeat from Gardenia that symbolises the gap between a gym leader and the Champion.
Lucario, we only see Riley use aside from Cynthia, and that's the only way we can get a Riolu egg, so again, we understand what she went through to get her Lucario.
We can relate to Cynthia and the difficulty she had cultivating this team, and it's a team that we could raise ourselves in game (which is a fun challenge I recommend).
Geeta doesn't do anything like that for me. We see Geeta a few times in the main game, and I never got anything close to what I felt from Cynthia from Geeta. I struggled through the Paldean E4 on my first playthrough, and absolutely washed Geeta like she was nothing.
larry was harder
Maylene uses Lucario too. It's a pretty big deal in the Sinnoh region.
Geeta wasn't CRUEL but she's very professional and efficient. Character wise I'd imagine a team that aims to finish the battle fast and decisively.
The headmaster was the one who scared me, I had to use Restores.
Geeta, I finished her with 3 Pokemon in good shape, no restore needed. I think I one-shot her ace with the pom pokemon too.
Basically this. Her team showed that she did in fact travel the entire Sinnoh Region and did everything a champion should do, which is everything there is to do. The team felt like it was built through playing through the game. Having a lead with zero weaknesses and pressure was a power move if I've ever seen one.
I dont think anyone is willing to argue Cynthias team, especially pre-fairy, was terrifying. but for me it was Cynthias atmosphere, theme, design, and even the little bit of exposition throughout DPP all came together to make her intimidating before the battle even started. Blue, Lance, Steven, and Wallace, were champions. Cynthia was a fucking force of nature.
Cynthia and Necrozama are essentially the raid bosses of their groups... Then Volo and Giratina show up
@@John-StarkCan someone please explain why people had such a hard time with Volo? I beat him with two pokemon around his levels. All I did was use the grit system.
@@MiriaJiyuu To me I least was every time I beat one of his pokemon the next one he sends could beat mine with one hit. We're basically trading pokemons. Beat only Volo was easy, but then Giratina appears and I have to fight 2 stages of her with only 2 pokemons and her move pools covers very well her weakness.
@@MiriaJiyuuI mean...that's basically what I did with Cynthia in both Pearl and Platinum. Guess some people just struggle less with certain fights than others.
I will argue it. Never lost to her once. Diantha terrifies me more as she was the only champion i lost to not just once but 3 times my first playthrought.
And if Geeta put Kingambit last, Kimgambit would get a 50% power increase due to its ability. And, her ace is one of the best SET UP mons, but its her LAST. GAMEFREAK. WHY.
You took the words right out my mouth maybe they’re trying keep it up for the kids
Because the fight was made by the intern last minute when the game needed to be pushed out the door for the holiday sales
Also giving it sucker punch
The reason is obvious: they gave Glimora and Geeta matching designs and ace mons generally are used last by most trainers.
It's not a hard concept to grasp.
@@gsp6517 We know and think it sucks anyway.
I think that final battle with Arven before entering Area Zero was harder than the damn champion of the region and that’s kinda sad tbh
It was harder
I swear he was the only challenge
Arven beat me three times, and I swept Geeta with Skeledirge. It makes it even sadder when they explicitly say Arven's supposed to be a bad trainer.
Arven was literally the only battle in the game that I lost to/had any difficulty with. Granted I was also 20 levels under-leveled, but still. It was so satisfying to finally beat him.
I feel like gamefreak keeps making the battles easier to keep kids from getting discouraged when they lose, but personally I feel its better to help encourage kids to think outside of the box to defeat a tough battle and let them experience the joy of a true win. Cynthia is one of the most iconic champions for a reason, and its not because she was a pushover.
@@Randomd0g I think the thing about SV's open world nature is that there's going to be stuff you're overlevelled for... but also, if you want to, you can choose precisely what stuff you're underlevelled for or on curve for. If you're underlevelled for Arven, of course he's gonna be a tough fight.
I don't remember much about the Arven fight (other than his very self-aware "we're going to have a battle to see if we're ready for Area Zero. Mostly to see if I'm ready" line and the bit about him using the pokemon he'd met along his journey to beat the Titans), but I also fought him after the Elite Four, Geeta and Nemona (fwiw I'd say he was tougher than Geeta, but a *lot* easier than Nemona). It's not a bad team though, and he's a good lad. Honestly both he and Penny could be Champions if it was what they really wanted.
If you wanted to keep the color theme for her you could have her use a shiny Kingambit, which would’ve been hype as hell.
I'm still waiting for a champion to have a guaranteed shiny ace
@@JetTheBaron Steven or is his not guaranteed
@@DJLDJ132 He only has a shiny Metagross in the anime
When I finished her fight, my immediate first thought was "Ok, someone at Game Freak REALLY screwed up the order of her pokemon". Like, seriously, it's as if they accidently pushed every pokemon up one slot causing Glimmora to go last and Kingambit second to last. I know this game is broken but this champion was actually inexcusable.
reason is that she needed the Rock tera and thats the Problem Game Freak Had 1 Type Missing with tera.. and that was Rock
and glimmora is the only good offensiv Rock Type mon in that Game
And? What’s stopping Geeta from terrastilizing first? Every trainer up to this point has terastilized their final Pokémon, a strategy most people get used to very quickly. So, it would be nice if she could throw players for a loop by starting out strong.
@@switchboxplays you know that Game Freak Dont do that
every New gimmick is Always used as last mon
that is since Gen 6 the Case
@@switchboxplays orrrrr she could make kingambit her ace and terrastalise into a ghost
@It's Yuh Boyyy tera ghost kingambit isn't worth it, you want the damage boost to its dark moves.
Even scarier would be if her kingambit got sucker punch to make up for its speed.
Something that helped Cynthia be as memorable as she was, not just for her difficulty but as a character, is that she made herself present several times before you even challenge her. She aids you, she's tough and she's upstanding: we get to experience her before we experience her. Geeta? She doesn't even contribute to the story. And even if she was a lead into Nemona, it's still shameful that they did her so dirty.
I think if she has the second team he set up, we wouldn't have to meet her much. We know she's the Champion and her intimidating line of "I'm unable to hold back" would be enough when she's rocking that unit of a team
No wonder the gym leaders think very lowly of her, especially Tulip, the person who loathes her the most. Now I understand why. I sometimes wonder if they accidentally brought not only Spanish nature to the game, but also the nature of its politics. We know for a fact Spain is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. This can be seen as a "take that!" on it.
@@PanamanianMan317 thats definitely not it. She's just a strict business woman thats a champion and heads the education department. That's unique from all the other champions. But i can see why ppl think thats boring. Gamers wont really connect with a character like that.
@@verxintRising I remember reading that line and going "Ohh is this gonna be a tough challenge for me then?" I never forgot what a farce that line was when other champions who didn't boast like that were far better in composition and difficulty.
By your definition, that's almost every Champion. I'm actually glad they don't shove the Champion in the main story. She doesn't have too. She can just do her own thing. She has to feel like a Champion though, that's why the Champion of Champion, Leon is so underwhelming, and annoying as a character as he constantly poses each time you see him.
Geeta, personality and character wise is actually fine. What she needs is a stronger AI and team. Heck, every Champion from here on out should.
Glimmora as her ace was also watered down by the fact that there was a billion of them in the Great Crater. I mean sure it's rare outside the crater but after defeating Cynthia you didn't find Stark Mountain full of Garchomps. Sort of takes away from the impact it has as a CHAMPION'S ACE!
Glimmora as an ace is also a terrible choice coming off the fact it's ability is better at the very start, not as the last when everyone dead. Then she had a KINGAMBIT with Supreme Overlord not as an Ace... *Glimmora even if rare, was pointless as an Ace ;-;*
@@tyshawnstubbs9315not even rare, if you make it to the crater they’re everywhere
@@DayzAhat I saying even if it was indeed Rare, it would be pointless
Also to be fair that crater is a literal warped time location
@@tyshawnstubbs9315 if she sent out Glimmora at the start and then ended with like Tera steel Kingambit, that would make her fight so much more challenging and fun
@@timob1681 if that Kingambit knows swords dance (Does her Kingambit know Swords dance?), that'd honestly be a win condition of an Ace as well.
I’ll never forget defeating her Kingambit as her first Pokémon, and her *last* Pokémon, Glimmora, as it scatters spikes all over the battlefield. What complete buffoonery 🤦🏼♂️
Sash Glimmora lead would have been a new bar for Pokémon story mode enemy strategy
The funny part is it was the Glimmora that actually tripped me up when I first fought her. I hadn't seen one or a Glimmet before, so I didn't know what its typing was, and my Pokemon didn't exactly have an advantage against Rock/Poison. (Picked Fuecoco) Of course on the second round, I kicked her ass as easily as I should have the first time.
@@hexmaniacciaranAir Balloon would have its own perks.
You know it's bad when you remember that Nemona held back against her. Almost made me think that Nemona became the best trainer in Paldea, not because of Geeta, but because of fricking wild pokemon.
Nemora probably caught 6 random pokemon just before facing her and wiped her out
The only reason she’s “La Primera” is that you can’t directly challenge the E4 and Champion in Paldea more than once 💀
@@whywecnthvnicethings more people failed at the test than the champion lol.
@@Nitosa They must not have picked skeledirge.
The way I see it, the only reason Nemona isn't the champion is because until the player comes along, she holds back against EVERYBODY so that they can have fun battling her, which isn't a good mindset to have as the top champion.
I swear, they focused to much on nemona and clavell that they forgot to do something to la primera. And btw the best answer to the mismatch of Geeta having kingambit at the end because "dont match colors" was an easy option to make her more memorable. A shiny kingambit.
I would LOVE to see a Champion use a shiny Pokémon as their ace. That would be dope. Game Freak generally ignores the fact that shiny Pokémon exist in the plot
@@snailmixAt least they let Steven’s ace Metagross be a shiny in the anime. But yeah I wish the games could embrace it too. =w=
I feel like the don't match colors excuse doesn't work. Dragonite/Lance & Iris/Haxorus don't match aesthetically.
@@pokemontrainer8991 Well it’s been a point now ever since XY with Diantha and Mega Gardevoir and Leon and Charizard. (Not counting Sun and Moon since there’s no Champion) Geeta and Glimmora obviously continue that aesthetic trend now with newer games. Even though it’s a super bad ace Pokémon. =w=
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I've been thinking a lot about how terrible Geeta's team and literally just moving her Glimmora to the beginning and her Kingambit to the end would make her so much better. Glimmora having access to Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, its Toxic Debris ability, etc make it a phenomenal setup mon and it baffles me that it's her ace. It makes absolutely no sense
Why would it need Toxic Spikes? Just replace it with Tera Flying,Steel or Ice. Tertastilize it immediately. If it can learn hex that's even better.
Like seriously you can use lower BST Pokémon well if you plan around it
I kept a clossgire the entire time as a toxic spike it died quickly but you only need 2 layers to badly poison
@@Nosretep Why would you make this thing Terra. The whole point of Glimmora is to set up. Stealth Rock, get hit, Toxic Debris, and if you liv, you get Toxic Spikes x2 which is hella good. As well, you could possibly just toxic the lead to be safe, or set up something else that could be dangerous. It's a set up sack Pokémon.
@@B-Side.72 It's her Ace. Kingambit isn't.
@@Nosretep The whole point of this video is redesigning the team dawg.
Geeta is painfully easy for a “Top-Champion” but I always thought the reason why they made her easier is because the real challenge was supposed to be the final fight with Nemona. Geeta herself said something along the lines of “I could tell that she (Nemona) was holding back even while fighting me, so seeing you get to have real battle of equals with her almost makes me jealous.”
ya Nemona for me was the real champion. I mean the "Pokemon League" story doesn't end with Geeta and becoming champion, but with Nemona as she wanted to battle a rival at full power that no one else could. Cause she was extremely gifted trainer who dominated her way into becoming a champion. That Geeta is purposefully weaker of the 2 fights because Geeta is more of a Door Boss into Nemona.
Nemona was honestly pretty easy for a champion. In addition to farming off raids (which I did), the auto-battle feature grants you even more free exp. Doesn’t help that Nemona’s final team was pretty mediocre to say the least
@@legomagic007_YT Well, the game is gonna be a bit easier if you spend a lot of time grinding hp. I caused so many Chansey massacres that all my Pokémon were around 10-20 levels above Nemona’s, but I could still understand how certain fight could be tougher if A: You’re at the same or lower level or B: You’re in fact not great at Pokémon and don’t have an optimal team. My first time playing, I nearly wiped to Arven’s Greedant alone because my Pokémon were 5-9 levels below his. I had rushed defeating all the titans
@@TheLordWrappedInLight-yf3nz Ok first of all, “back in my day”? Give yourself some credit, the first games was only 27 years ago, and presumably you’re not even a senior citizen yet. Value your youth, friend. Go be wild, you’re only young once.
Secondly I agree, newer Pokémon games have gotten alot easier. I’m actually pretty excited cause I found my old DSI with Pokémon Black 2, and it’s gonna be pretty challenging without the exp share that’s always present in the newer games. I’ll never have to train my Pokémon as hard as I will for a measly few levels in that game
@@ily2m803 Okay, there's a LOT wrong with what you just said, there. Firstly, 27 years IS a long time. There are people who work full-time jobs now, that weren't even born when Pokemon first came out. Secondly, maybe they were in their 30s when Pokemon came out and they're now in their 60s, you don't know this person.
Everything after that, yeah I agree with you. The Pokemon games have gotten a lot easier.
I like the idea of her using Armorouge or Ceruledge depending on the version you're playing, but she should use the OPPOSITE one from the one you can get in your version so you can see the badass that you're missing by not having the other version.
Nice idea
You can get this in your rematches against Mela. She had Armorouge since I’m playing Violet. Also I think it’s the same Charcadet from her main story
Also if you have your versions you get a nice narrative battle
I made an improved Team In showdown for Geeta and Put Ceruledge in the team and it really is fun to use in competitive so It would be perfect for her.
@@Astral-Zed I did only minor changes for geeta. overall i improved her movesets and swapped avalugg for another pokemon from a older gen:Tyranitar(it would give her a pseudolegendary a champion never used before, except blue but only in his rematches... also his sandstorm ability supports kingambit and glimmora a bit.) and her veluza against Ceruledge/armarouge. Espathra is actually a annoying lead to deal with. with her special ability,Lumina crash and screens. I kept gogoat probably because i'm biased i like gogoat he maybe is a mono grasstype but acccording to stats one of the strongest non-legendary grasstypes and his ,moveset really isn't bad. Kingambit is obvious and always the second last pokemon. and glimmora still her last pokemon simply because i doesn't want to change her ace pokemon. at least i improved glimmoras moveset and gave it a lifeorb to make this thing hitting really hard!
Battling her was SO disappointing because I really liked her character design when she was first introduced. I legit thought to myself, "Damn, her team's probably gonna be insane when I fight her."
And her team is literally just pokemon you can find anywhere (aside from Kingambit) 😭
I respect your opinion but I never liked her highway lookin ass hair 😭
@@discoshark7767 i always thought she looked like spongebob when he took Pearl to the dance lmao just without the crazy long hair
Well glimmora is only found in area zero, but besides that, you're right😭
@@discoshark7767 Same. The professors, director, and rivals all look better by comparison when it comes to design imo, she looks a bit better in 2D but still looks… meh compared to champions like Cynthia, Steven, even Diantha, who I wasn’t much of a big fan of either.
Skill issue
I kinda assumed her Kalos pokemon combined with the fact she appears to care more about the spectacle was our hint she is from Kalos. This would also explain why why she isn't that great at battling as Kalos trainers train more to give a show rather than winning.
Wait, this all checks out, does this mean we are getting Pokemon: Legends Z now?
So what your saying is… she was never at her full strength cause she couldn’t mega evolve lmfao 🤣
So the Pokémon trainers of the Paldea region are just so incredibly terrible at battling that a random kalosian trainer goes there and becomes champion? Gotcha. Diantha isn't such a push over either and has cooler Pokémon.
@@Faude18 more like they have pokemon that suck
But yes they suck as well
@@benjamincharlton1388 Hello from the future, you were so on point :D
You know, they could’ve made lore about how her bisharp protected her from other strong bisharps thus causing it to evolve into kinggambit and becoming her first partner.
This would be so good
They can't. That would actually require competence.
Bruh its not that deep just play your game
@@edsan8564 Don't ask Questions, just consume product, & then get excited for next products
@@edsan8564 It's not that deep, because GF made it shallow.
It’s really crazy to think they had 3 Pokémon that either had psychic moves or were psychic type for the champion, in a gen where two of the starters are dark and ghost
Geeta when she realizes there are 20 ghost type Pokémon in the Paldea Region and there are plenty of choices that can abuse the weaknesses of her team:
If this champion was practically built to be easy, how did I wipe to avalugg on my first attempt?
And the one starter that's weak to psychic can handle Avalugg, Kingambit, and Gimmora, so it's still not a pushover
@@fertileplanet7756Skill issue
@@vedgerna3366 to be fair, my only fire-type move was flare blitz on my talonflame
AMEN for giving her a Gholdengo! There's a lineup of great new Gen 9 Pokémon like Gholdengo, and yet they opted to give her a GOGOAT and AVALUGG? Gholdengo's a special Pokémon not just because of its golden look but also since you have to do so much coin searching to get the amount of coins needed to evolve Gimmighoul into a Gholdengo. On top of the fact it's a machine in battle once evolved. It's a Champion-worthy Pokémon, and our golden string cheese boi deserves so much more.
Also, if you're going to give Ceruledge and Armarouge to Geeta, you should make it so she uses the version that isn't in the game you're playing. That would give her team a bigger "Wow, I've never seen that before! She's a Pokémon whisperer!" factor since it's very possible the player may not know Charcadet had a different evolution.
Goldengo and Spiritomb had something in common
100% agree, having those two would also just help with the dex too
Thank you Kim Jong Un.
Annihilape, Dondozo, Palafin... a lot of good options.
Her team in the Indigo Disk DLC has been upgraded, she now LEADS with Glimmora, has an Avalugg, Chesnaught, Espathra, Dragapult and her ace is Kingambit.
Kinda sad we needed DLC for her to get better. Not sure why tf she still has an Avalugg but oh well.
Still not that strong
@@LuisFelipe-pq9lrI mean half of her team is fine but yeah, Avalugg, Chesnaught, and Espathra, using the AI to control them no less, that’s just rancid
Yeah but some poketuber still say she best.abiltes.moves pokemon just mid.got look champion and be terrify of facing them
Kinggambit really makes sense for her ace, most people won’t know it even exist as its evolution method is so specific so it’ll be a surprise, and thematically it’s a perfect pick too, Kinggambit is supposed to be the leader of the pack who according to the pokedex only the strongest of Bisharp get the privilege to become a Kingambit, just like a champion! Glimmora is definitely a cool pokemon but I just imagine how in promo art or in the anime the champions always look so awesome standing right beside their ace and then Geeta will be standing right beside a small ball of petal shaped spikes. Even Diantha which in my opinion is more forgettable than Geeta looks more iconic with her Mega Gardevoir than Geeta with Glimmora
Yeah, both are also very alike physically and personality wise, Geeta being the last trainer and boss of the bunch at the league also works super well with Kingambit, and Geeta's color scheme even matches shiny Kingambit
Kingambits ability also makes sense as an ace
I wonder if it has to do something with the DLC. There seems to be something up with Geeta and her using Glimmora. Glimmora is only found in the wild in Area Zero and we even learn that it’s ‘petals’ are probably tera crystals. Maybe she’s an AI too?? Or something to do with the third legendary
@@Samarlaropa i think it more has to do with what the top comment says. Each pokemon in her team represents a part of paldea, and glimmora specifically represents area zero
And yeah i do think glimmora will have to do something with the third legendary. It was already being hinted at that the third legendary is the reason behing the terra crystals in area zero
@@Samarlaropa I'm honestly not sure why GameFreak decided to put so much emphasis on Glimmora being in Area Zero because it very much appears in other areas. It can be rarely found in Alfornada Cavern and Glimmet can be found both there and most other caves in the game. It's rare but it does spawn. For some reason they made it seem like it ONLY appears there. It definitely has significance, it's just weird the way they went about pointing it out.
I originally thought Glimmora should be her lead, but after you brought up Palafin I think a Palafin lead with an immediate Flip Turn into Glimmora would be a really solid opening here, allowing Palafin to transform as soon as possible and activate Glimmoras ability via a surprise that the player might not be ready for in one opening move.
I agree. Even base Palafin is nearly as strong as Veluza, but way more unique. You could also give it the Item Eject-Button to make the switch more reliable for the AI. But then they probably wouldn't always switch in Glimmora next.
I think the Team I would have chosen for Geeta would be:
Glimmora (Lead)
Azumarill
Eelektross
Noivern
Ceruledge (in Scarlet)/Armourage (in Violet)
Kingambit (Ace/Dark-Tera)
@@smembino740 I think the point was to use more gen 9 pokemon as opposed to older pokemon like she already does. Secondly Hassel already has a Noivern.
@@smembino740 I honestly hate when they don’t give champions Pokémon mostly from their own region
I’d keep espathra because I think people underestimate its signature move
I honestly really like the idea for the final team comp in the video
If we wanna get a little crazy kilowattrel is very fast and has decent sp attack
@@smembino740 they could make it a scripted move like how in gym fights after the terastylize the gym leader says a line after like the first turn and is forced to use a move of their typing
@@pumpkinwarrior7138 Can also be good for setting up Tail Wind into a boosted electric type attack with it's Wind Power ability.
You know what would be interesting... Running a simulation of Geeta's current team and having it face against the different gym leaders and E4 to see if she could beat any of them.
I’d say she’d lose to cynthia very quickly
@@simonmann4922 I meant of her region. She'd most definitely lose to Cynthia and to Leon probably.
Steven Stone as well.
@@MrIHaveASword ohhhhh now I get it, gotcha
I have played omega/alpha in years so I forgot Steven existed lol
now I feel like doing that
@@simonmann4922 If it is PokeMMO cynthia... I doubt she can get pass Lucario
I saw a meme that had a "theory" that Geeta's team is actually a Nuzlocke team that she used:
- Espathra: A Pokemon that is caught that you didn't really expect to be good
- Gogoat: Early game death fodder that lasted surprisingly long
- Veluza: A mid game encounter that never got replaced
- Avalugg: A Pokemon that should probably have been switched out/replaced but the trainer got emotionally attached to it and wanted to use it
- Kingambit: Pokemon that carried your team after the starter Pokemon died
- Glimmora: The rare encounter that the trainer found in Victory Road and was used to replace a dead Pokemon
You made that up lol
@@finna1002 I found a meme of it online. I think on the Nuzlocke subreddit
Its not even interesting. Just sad.
I actually like this theory
Let me fix it for you:
Glimmora: matched her so she picked it as her main cos she’s simple. Also it beats the grass types and rock types that would counter veluza.
Gogoat: Grass type core. It also beats the rock types that threaten scaling
Veluza: water type core Pokémon with psychic to take out fighting types which threaten a lot of her team
Kingambit: extremely op mom with high stats and op pros that outweigh the insignificant cons. Also it’s dark which counters the psychic types which threaten he glimmora. It’s steel which counters rock and ice which would threaten her gogoat and avalugg
Espathra: High stat Psychic type to counter the fighting types that threaten her whole team
Avalugg: nice bulky type that can hit most things for neutral damage and can take advantage of snow if the opponent uses it, also hits dragons that would easily threaten her team and counters grass ground and flying types that threaten alot of her Pokémon like 4x weak ground glimmora, 2xweak flying gogoat, and then veluza who’s weak to grass.
Wow it seems like she has a team that tries to cover up for the weaknesses, but since she’s only fought weak Paldean trainers she hasn’t fully grasped the way to team build. Your stupid made up theory with no base is just annoying and lame. The actual theory is that she is not the actual champion of the region.
It's also worth noting that Dondozo has unaware which lets it try to shut down the ever-classic "I set up swords dance and proceed to one shot the entire enemy team" strat. I think it's great to give the champion something that throws a wrench in an otherwise virtually fail-safe strategy against an AI opponent.
same also applies for literally any other good stat boosting move, such as calm mind and double team
Yeah that is what you would expect from someone called "a champion". You shouldn't be able to just simply steamroll them with pure power
Espathra ALMOST accomplishes that by having the Opportunist ability (I didn't realize this, so using shell smash against it wasn't great hah), but it is a special attacker so really only punishes you if you are trying to set up sp atk boosts I guess. Unaware Dondozo just does it better though, agreed.
It also makes Dondozo a good counter to Torch Song-boosting Skeledirge, which is able to sweep most of Geeta’s original team
It's so funny to me how Cynthia traumatized my 10-year-old brain to the point that I'm still like "nop" when I hear her name
The equivalent of Jack Sparrow hearing his dad's name
You dare speak her name ?? She who shall not be named
They say that if you speak her name 3 times infront of a mirror, the air becomes cold, and sounds of a piano can be heard slowly getting louder. You can try to run, but a voice will tell you "You can't run from a Pokemon Battle"
She was easy work for me
Yeah this gens champion has nothing on mommy Cynthia
if we really wanted to make geeta memorable and absolutely OP I would’ve made her team:
1. Glimmora with air balloon
2. Espartha with leftovers
3. Arboliva with grassy seed
4. Palafin with choice scarf
5. Baxcalibur with lum berry (or belly drum cetitan with sitrus berry)
6. Kingambit with life orb
I would’ve rather had a champion that took multiple attempts for me to beat rather than one I could sweep with the first pokémon in my party
Kingambit with a clear amulet would be interesting, if she sent it out last
Espartha with its hidden ability Speed Boost will be like Rough Skin Garchomp is to Cynthia which helped her in the remakes.
One other glaring issue I see with Geeta’s team: if you picked Fuecoco, you can sweep at least 4 of her 6 team members with Skeledirge (arguably 5 if you can out speed Kingambit or live it’s attack)
Quaquaval can too. Aqua Step murders Glimmora, Brick Break slaughters Kingambit and Avalugg, and Ice Spinner kills Gogoat. And I'm pretty sure it gets a Dark move meaning Espathra just dies
@@hylianhero1921 fair enough. I only mentioned skeledirge because that’s the starter I picked
@@hippibunni9177 I think k it's more telling that both of our starters destroyed her, meaning that there's a good chance Meowscarada can too
@@hylianhero1921meowscarada did pretty decent against her team (i terrad and lost the dark type) but the other two starters i assume would be better
Or you use all starters like me. Altough i only do that if i can and when the Designs are all great. If one is ugly he doesnt get in my Team.
Also the fact that if you chose fuecoco, you steamroll 5/6 mons on her team with your stab typing. Really wish she wasn’t such a pushover, your changes would have made her definitely more memorable and challenging
If you teach meowscarda a decent fighting move its the same, only needing to switch for gogoat. Or ya know, just night slash. Cause it's gogoat. Dark for bird, grass(or dark) for fish or the ancient one, fight for samurai, fight for ice cube.
Thank you! Having the fire starter, you can knock out too many of her Pokémon
Quaquaval sweeps her team extremely easily you have fighting type moves that deal with half her team and also flying type moves to deal with the grass type the only mon that it has trouble with is espathra
That's really exactly what I did :D
That is exactly what happened to my younger brother.
I like the idea of her having Espathra second to last, have the ability Speed Boost, and know Calm Mind and Baton Pass. Imagine getting the special defense and speed increases passed onto Kingambit. Now THAT would be champion level
the AI would brick itself into using whatever attacking move nonstop and never using baton pass.
@@eludeirkz7961 you could easily adjust the ai. I mean fan hacks from 2012 could do that
@@FenrirAlter Yes, but that is beyond Game Freak's ability.
POV: You made Geeta actually competent.
@@Redpoppy80 Smol indie company you must understand. 😩
I genuinely think Kingambit was supposed to be her ace. The rest do set-up, hazards, stat reduction, and die pretty easily. You’re unlikely to have seen Kingambit because of its difficult nature to obtain, an unexpected evo to an old mon is wild, the idea of feeling like you’re steamrolling her only to get flattened by the final mon feels very fitting to the general concepts as executed in Paldea re: levelling, and her role as a noble ‘true king’ feels very reflected in this mon. And then I bet some executive meddling said ‘actually Glimmora should be her ace because of its Relevance To The Lore’ and that means it has to be the one to terastylize so has to be the final mon (the thing Kingambit needs to really function). Now why you wouldn’t retool the team after that judgment I don’t know, but then I don’t see why a database of appropriately levelled teams to be called so you can do the badges in any order is more than a day or two of work either.
Gamefreak is very lazy. They are basically allergic to doing basic things.
GF could have made a badass team for her but they decided to be lazy and lame. Fun and difficulty is not allowed in pokemon.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami They cater to the lowest common denominator, 6 year olds who's idea of a team is "My starter is da best evar!1!!1"
I'll give it to Gamefreak this time though, this was probably the single best story we've had for pokemon plot wise. An absolutely PHENOMINAL plot. It feels like something that could realistically happen to a main character, not dealing with insane "I'm the MC so everything revolves around me" where a kid of all things takes down a huge criminal empire... because he beat the villain and made him feel bad? Seriously, the kanto games should practically end the moment you reach Govanni. With a bullet in your head. (Obviously not what would happen because that would just be a bad ending to a game, but what realistically WOULD happen if some hopped up teen broke into a criminal base.) Paldea's Team Star though? A damn near perfect fit for a thing a kid would deal with, with believable reasoning for it to go down the way it ended up doing so.
What goes down with the professor in Area Zero? A man/woman breaking under the stress, losing sight of his original goals while in an area practically cut off from human contact for an extended time? Or Arven's storyline, where he seems like an absolute ass and an easy main villain candidate, only for us to find out why he is acting the way he is because his parent has basically abandoned him for the pokemon that said parent had him give the pokeball of to you? Let alone all of the far more spoilery stuff I'm not gunna say here.
Yeah her Kinggambit was the only one a I struggled against. Only because I had never seen it before and had NO idea what I was looking at.
Yea, although it can be 1 hit by low kick move, Kingambit is so strong and durable
Cynthia was honestly so cool,
Just the piano solo whenever she appears on screen, and the big contrast of her outfit in the overworld, first time you see her, you are already wondering who she is. And her color palette is so different compared to all of the other characters we see.
And also her helping us occasionally throughout the region creates good buildup to her, and we know shes the real deal and can get stuff done.
Meanwhile modern game champions are just there, no buildup,
" Diantha who? "
Hey, put a little respect on Kukui and Hau.
@@baraness24 Hau sucks. Kukui though? Yeah sure as a character at least.
Also, did anyone notice that none of the major fights used potions? Like after the 3rd gym, I was like, "Where's the healing?"
Yeah that really confused me
I know right I’m so use to seeing gym leaders or elite using heals and when I didn’t see it I was like “Ok wipe out”.
As Lance once said: "You don't get to be champion of the Pokémon League without knowing how to spam FULL RESTORES!"
So, as if it wasn't already obvious, dis bitch ain't no one's champion.
I actually welcome that since I myself never used heals in battle, if you gotta use Potions in battle then you're trash at the game 😂😂
@@kondoriano4813 Bruh that is literally one of the dumbest things I've heard seen in this videos comments.
The 4th member of the Elite Four gave me more challenge than the Champion
Bro poppy and Larry gave me more of a challenge
Really? I just had my max attack haxorus dragon claw 6x and it was over.
Honestly, i've had harder battles in 3-4 star raids than Her. She should at the very least be on the power level of a 5-6 star raid... where if u don't bring the right thing u prolly are going to have a "tough" time... There should be some level of preparation and risk of failure... but gamefreak wants to protect the fragile egos of children and make things easy for them... we just have to remember these games are marketed and designed for children, and that we just happen to love and enjoy these children games.
Lol the first one gave me the most trouble.
The fucking raids were harder than the champion imo lmao
I struggled more on larry than i did on geeta 💀
My Skeledirge easily destroyed most of her Pokémon because of her glaring weakness to Fire and Ghost, and it was around the same level as her Pokémon, while the Elite 4 actually fought back xd
Facts. The normal type staravia wrecked me so much
@@Silux_Ray anyone who's played through Sinnoh can tell you: DO NOT underestimate Staraptor. Easily one of the best Normal birds out there, if not THE best
Larry should have been the champion #justiceforlarry
Each elite four member fainted around 2 of my Pokemon while I was using items and Geeta couldn't ko a single Pokemon without me using items
I was plowing through Geeta’s team without a hitch until she sent out Kingambit and proceeded to wipe out half of my team. It’s amazing how simply changing her team’s order would’ve made her more formidable. How did the devs screw this up so badly??
The weirdest thing to me about Geeta's team is that she has pokemon that are useful in specific places.... and she didn't put them in those places?
Yeah I find that weird like why give her two Pokémon with essentially swapped roles
When I battled her I genuinely thought the point of her line up was to be sacrifices to boost her ace Kingambit after she sent it out. Meaning the reason they were bad was so that they could go down quicker. But then I realized she still had one more pokemon and got really confused why it wasn't Kingambit.
yikes
I’m convinced Geeta has an actual battle team in her box but uses a “test” team for the elite 4 fight.
Maybe she has a league team and a “fuck Larry” team
She seems to hate the guy during the questionnaire after you do the rematches
It makes sense. If that was her real team, wouldn't we be Top Champion?
That's perfect for lore too, In-game, we don't take her role as Top Champion, she's there to _test us_ if we're able to become a Champion-ranked Trainer. But if it's not true, she's getting the Leon Treatment in the Anime 100%.
Yeah but her rematch team is the same when u rematch her in academy ace tournament
@@bruh-jj4xj i mean mabye she needs to keep appearances. Like not showing her strongest hand unless she has to.
I was actually scared of fighting Geeta at first. The only Pokémon I knew she had was Glimmora (because of spoilers) and I thought it WOULD BE her leading Pokémon, not her "ace"... My team was quite vulnerable to spikes. In the end she got swept no issues. Just sad.
in the first's gen's the ace pokemon can be used at the first, second, ect. but with the mecanic of the ace at last ruined a lot of teams and IA
@@celenatoppin9675 Or you know, NOT MAKE IT YOUR ACE. Some trainers can do that, specially in the 5th gen where you'll usually face Ghechis Hydreigon 2nd or 3rd... Now that I think about it, in gen 5 if you had a bad matchup against their Ace they did not doubted on sending it, because I remember Burgh sending Leavanny second against Drilbur, same for Shauntal sending chandelure 3rd to destroy my Lilligant. They PREFERED to send their ace last but it wasn't mandatory if that could force a switch due to a supereffective move... even though it could lead to ridiculous moments like Ghetsis sending Seismitoad against a fast grass type instead of their X-Scissor steel type (They should've put Eelektross as his ace).
First, I guess you didn’t see it terastalize in the spoiler, and second, the real kicker is that Kingambit is literally made to be an ace, and is on her team
What's really dumb is the fact that all the Elite Four and Champion Tera their Ace pokemon into their type specialty. Which means Geeta was basically locked into having a Tera Rock type as her Ace since it was the only Titan type not covered by a trainer.
Not only should kingambit have been her ace, but as a few others have pointed out here it should've been shiny. Matches her hair and makes it all the more memorable
I dont think she should have a shiny
@@ZyroDemonwhy is everyone soo against an npc having a shiny
@@DiegoMartinez-ff6xh cause no Champion or Gym Leader has one so why should a Champion have one
@@ZyroDemon lame...
@@UntoTheBreach24 yeah I know shiny Pokèmon for boss battles are lame
Forget the “safe” team, let’s give her that final team you gave her. Such a massive improvement. Great video.
All champions should have teams like Cynthia and their FIRST champion battle team be region exclusive. The other fights can change with other region aces from time to time so they can seem like actual champions with IQs above 50. Like they are experimenting to overcome YOU.
@@donellebullock7404 Cynthia has a Milotic which isn’t Gen 4. As long as they stay within their Regional Dex and it makes sense for them to use, it shouldn’t be a problem imo…and the latter is Geeta’s issue lol
@@fruit3193 Milotic was also extremely rare in DPPT and fit with her team very nicely. She could have had a lumineon, but that would have been lame lmao
@@fruit3193 honestly 1 is my limit
I want champions to stick to their region
Speaking of memorable, Steven sending out his Metagross for the first time made a huge impact on me. The fact that you couldn't get it until after the battle really made it that much better. For Geeta on the other hand, I genuinely felt nothing.
You should have felt pity.
A region with a dedicated trainer academy has a less competent champion than Alola, a region without a league or even like a damn supermarket, who didn't even have a proper champion but a stand in.
Paldea and Kalos truly are worthy adversaries.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290yep which just make nemona seem even less impactful since she got the champion rank from this champion, at that point just make Gea the secret champion you can fight and have Nemona as the actual champion, and have her bust out her real team against you, she been watching you grow through the whole journey, even restarted her journey just to make sure that we become eligible to fight the champion which would be just a cool idea to think about, have a champion that literally restarted their journey and helped you grow to make you their perfect challenger for the end
Never underestimate Pokémon game to always neuter themselves. And somehow, this is them trying.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I mean even though Diantha was super weak at the very least her team choice was filled with memorable pokemon that actually stood out. Instead of fucking gogoat.
@@The_Evening_Sun yep at least I can remember diantha’s name
Leon should also be used as a mold, especially because, like Geeta, he's hyped up for the entire game and then lives up to the hype. Leon LEADS with a freakin' aegislash!
Leon was a BLAST to fight!
Leon was surprising. With how a lot of SwSd was I wasn’t expecting much from him but thankfully he was at least fun and had good enough Pokémon to be taken seriously as a champion
i just wish he had some more pokemon from his region, i really liked how half of his team changed depending on your starter, and its shame they couldnt had kept it that way or even at least made geeta have 2 diferent teams depending on version.
Leon was as easy as Geeta and Diantha. Seriously the only pokemon of his I remember is the charizard and that is probably because it was a charizard.
@@jacquelineking5783 who even has difficulty at any of the games champion battles lmao. Battle Leon post game at the tower instead, its more entertaining.
I honestly really like your choices for her final team but with Armarouge and Ceruledge, I would have it where the one she has is opposite of what version you have.
If you have Scarlet, she has Ceruledge. If you have Violet, it’s Armorouge. That way it still feels different bc you can’t get that evolution in your game.
Replace the pure grass with Spring Sawsbuck. Sap Sipper, immunity to ghost and plenty of stab flinching normal moves would make a good staller.
I like that idea of giving a version exclusive team
@@barrybend7189I think like in the video Arboliva is a great choice.
Can set up grassy terrain for heals, strength sap for healing and enemy attack drops, it can use screens, earth power for some coverage, decently bulky, great special attack, and it's also grass/normal like Sawsbuck
The fact that champion has an audacity to pick Gogoat to the champion match is the only rememberable fact in her team.
I used Gogoat on my team
@@markmagician2471i mean, Gogoat is cool. I’ve had Jumpluff on my final team for nuzlock reasons, but i wouldn’t be impressed if i saw one on a champion team. Jumpluff was more of a scout than anything else.
I had Gogoat in my final team too though partly because it was shiny
Gogoat is a great grass type. I settled with tropius due to it also being a flying type, but if there wasn’t tropius, I would’ve gone with gogoat.
My theory is she doesn't even want to be the champion anymore. You think that's her true team? Something that even the gym leaders can beat? Fk that she wants you to take the title so she can retire.
Maybe her team should be a "if I get hit you get punished team" like rocky helmets, eject button palafin, the grassy terrain olive pokemon, toxic spikes glammora, Rage fist annilape, Then finally kingambit will be the ultimate punisher, punishing you for all the mons you have KO'ed. Would make the fight memorable because enough are getting punished for hitting her.
You only listed 5 pokemon, so maybe she could also have Houndstone with Last Respects and the fluffy ability.
@@goblintechies4396 thank you! I couldn't think of a 5th mon but that makes sense!
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This is actually a great idea and I love it. Could also do Toxapex with like baneful bunker or something too.
Ooooh, now THAT was creative. Even Ceruledge/Armarouge could kind of fit the bill, since their HA is Weak Armor.
Funny enough in the postgame one of the teachers Ms.Raifort correctly uses an intended strategy by sending out a Zoroark disguised as her ace Gengar (to trick you into using a super effective dark type move that'll get resisted or a psychic type move that won't even work) meaning Geeta incorrectly using Glimmora is completely intentional lol!
I miss the days where important NPC trainers would actually switch their mons in battle, didn't save their ace for last and regularly used items too (it made the gameplay more immersive imo).
No geeta has no way of tricking the players with any mons at least that teacher has a illusion mon to go like here take this free win
glimora was her ace just because of similarity with her hair. i mean i kinda accept it, but the rest of her team REALLY should had been better, i dont like the idea of kingambit as her ace, i think the champions ace being a mon from their region is better (i know theres leon and diantha, but one is charizard circlejerk the other at least was a mega. maybe diantha should have had diancie, i know its a legendary but still) however it really should be hardcoded to always come 5th, and her lead should had been a palafin that always flip turned imediately unless you had a water absorb/storm drain lead so she would just switch out manually. gogoat, avalugg, espathra and veluza all should go away as well and give her better mons, even if she doesnt have baxcalibur because the dragon E4 had one, she should have other better ones.
@@unkindled6410Kingambit follows your desires, as if it didn't, it would have the spot occupied by Bouffalant on the national Pokédex, and would also be on a _proper_ Unova Pokédex instead of an oceanic area The Pokémon Company called a part of Unova despite no indication that such is the case. Conclusion: Indigo Disk was the afterthought of the two DLCs, and it's logical to consider cross-generational evolutions, and regional variants for that matter, part of their debut region unless there is actual lore indication otherwise.
My biggest issue with her is that she’s still considered the “top champion” when she was canonically defeated by two children, and she outright admitted that Nemona wasn’t even going all out against her. Clearly, Geeta isn’t the top champion, Nemona is.
Fr. I defeated Geeta’s team without breaking a sweat. But Nemona absolutely DESTROYED my team at the end. I won that battle after losing every member of my team except my starter. The only reason as to why I won is because her starter was at disadvantage to mine otherwise I would have lost.
@@joress I still think it's a missed opportunity that Nemona doesn't terastalise her starter into a type advantage against yours (eg: if you picked Sprigatito, she turns her starter fire). Considering the starters have the type advantage against each other through Fighting, Dark and Ghost, it would give her a resistance to yours and moves to counter your starter.
@@LowIntSpecimen True, but remember, Nemona isn't looking to be the best because she's already CONSIDERED, one of the best. She wants a rival who can beat her in a pokemon battle without holding back.
Also, it takes a lot of tera shards to change a pokemon's tera type.
The entirety of pocketmonsters webcomic is a kid running through adults …… 🔴
I think the reason she's still top champion is cause top champion is basically a full time job of running the pokemon league so it'd be weird if a kid became top champion and just suddenly had to run the entire pokemon league for the nation
I was like 5 levels lower than the elite four and didn't bring many healing items, and I genuinely struggled with them. Then, when the champion came around, I was quite scared only to realize she was the easiest battle in the whole game.
I am so glad I was such a scavenger or else I seriously wouldn’t have been able to beat them
I didn’t buy a single item that wasn’t a pokeball or cosmetic my entire run
I was a little overleveled for the Elite Four and Rika and Hassel still gave me a run for my money (though that might just be because I lacked a Water type to deal with Rika, whose Ground typing silver bulleted my team hard as Abomasnow somehow always gets taken out easily when I use it, and Hassel quickly dealt with my Fairy and Ice types, who were Abomasnow and Tinkaton, leaving me struggling with Garganacl, who was only mostly managing), I was expecting a fight that might actually knock out my team, which hadn't happened all game, and then Skeledirge swept pretty much the entire team and I felt downright bored
The thing about Geeta is the structure of the game undermines her. Nearly every other champion is the last battle you have before the credits role. Geeta is the second to last battle in one of three routes that you need to complete all of to get to the last stage of the game. This means that they probably shouldn't push her too hard lest she overshadow everything that comes after her. Of course they could have given her much more than they did. It's unfortunate because I think Geeta's design is possibly my favorite among every champion.
that's backward. We shouldn't expect Geeta to be as hard of a fight as the other champions BECAUSE there are 4 harder fights level-wise. Hell, 2 of them are canonically stronger
I disagree. She could put up a good fight despite not being the final boss: Nemona is a total pushover anyway, Arven and Penny are decent but nothing special and Sada/Turo would still be the greatest obstacle in the game just because they have a team of 6 570 bs pokemon and the last one has the potential to set up and sweep. Also why the hell shouldn't her be a tough fight just because the story continues after her? That doean't fit thematically at all, she's the super champion or however she's called, but she's weaker than the last e4
I wish they at least made her rematch challenging.
I personaly believe that the reason why geeta is such a pushover is that she is supposed to be like a fifth elite 4 member (gamplay wise).
The actual "Champion" which you need to defeat to become the strongest Trainer and end the normal pokemon journey is nemona. She is supposed to be the last big chalange you have to overcome, therby sadly making the top Champions Look like they only got the Job because of bribes or something
@@dollscentedhunter2514The more I think about it, the more the idea of Geeta being corrupt makes sense. I found it ethically questionable that she’s both the Pokémon League Chairwoman and the Top Champion. Especially in a region where the title of Champion can’t really be taken from you. The way she treats her employees also seems unethical in light of what Larry says about docking his pay if he chitchats with challengers. That didn’t seem to be a problem with the other Gym Leaders even in other regions. Also, I don’t like how she basically strong arms Penny to working for her for life. I know it’s setup as this magnanimous gesture that Geeta forgave her for stealing League Points, but it seems Geeta got the better part of the deal. She can get Penny to work for her and completely dominate the terms of her employment. And her personality seems, for lack of better words, very fake.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I like her.
I think espathra having the set that got it banned in OU would be good, give it speed boost and have it protect turn 1, then have it calm mind turn 2 and try to sweep you.
i personally prefer opportunist in this context as having it be a mon that punishes you for trying to mindlessly set up and sweep works better in a champion fight than a lead that 6-0's you, maybe replacing quick attack with substitute so if you attempt to set up you give the boost to it and it gets up a sub
In the context of PvE I think opportunist is better
I only do nuzlockes and to me, memorable leads are leads you cannot set up against
If you give it speed boost and code it to always T1 Protect, it becomes way too abusable with anything as common as Gyarados
In competitive, Speed Boost can send even Blaziken to Ubers because as a human you can use Sword Dance instead of Protect and the game is pretty much won from that
In PvE, the only AI you cannot abuse is random AI
I would actually love to maintain the idea that her ace is Glimmora but her strategy change and make that a focus of her character being a fighter with a very different strategy, using her ace to drastically weaken her opponents team paving the way for the other five to crush. It would prove to be both memorable and exciting.
An ace being a support can be iconic. You will realize after getting defeated, that the first pokemon is always being switched in for buffs or debuffs making the fight harder. You will not realize it at first because it is commonly perceived that the pokemon with the strongest dps is a threat. For a first time player, it will look like the other 5 pokemons are very strong and the support will often be overlooked.
Tbh compared to even the most recent game where the champion Leon was so involved in the storyline, with an actual personality, iconic partner pokemon, boss, rival and family, Geeta really fell short for me on that side of things as well.
shit personality and a charizard, you mean? gen 9 has many characters with great lore and development, it's just that geeta isn't supposed to be very important. being champion, or rather top champion in this gen (that is, "leader" of the elite 4) isn't nearly as big as it was in past generations. SV is focused around other things.
ikr he might have been to hig about himself but he really had a memorable personality and team. I didnt like to that he had a lot of pokemon not from galar and even worse his ace is not from galar. Only galar pokemon on his team is his dragapult nad the starter u and hop didnt pick well depending on ur starter he also could have had mr. rime
Not to mention although it might not be the most memorable his team composition wise is one of the strongest in the series maybe even beating cynthia for top spot IMO. For those who dont remember he has ageslash haxerous dragapult his charizard and then a combo of 2 depending on your starter: cinderace and seismitoad if you chose rillaboom, inteleon and mr rime if you chose cinderace and rhyperior and rillaboom if you chose inteleon. If gen 8 in general had been harder this guy could have been the new cynthia
@@finnvaneekelen4966 Well said. Although Cynthia has that badass theme song on her side too lol. Though for Gen 8 the champion battle isn't meant to be some intimidating thing on a remote mountain, we know the champion, he's goofy and an entertainer. I enjoyed that the champion battle theme for Leon had the hall of fame tune being sung by the audience. It definitely had a different sort of charm. I played Geeta's battle only a few weeks ago and for the life of me, I can't remember anything about her theme song.
@@ARobinStory92 eh geeta’s theme is kinda cool imo as it uses leitmotifs from the other champion themes so far. Could have been great if getta actually felt important enough to get it
I actually like your second idea...it gives her stronger pokémon (and makes her much more of a challenge)
but also the newly chosen Pokémon look like they belong to a champ
what I like about Cynthia, not only is her team strong but Lucario, Garchomp, Spiritomb, Roserade, Milotic and Togekiss feel like champion pokémon even from a design perspective
I agree with all of them except Togekiss. Strictly for how derpy it looks lol. But the rest for sure
The main problem with Geetas team is that well her Ace Pokémon is really meant for set up with its ability, honestly if her teams order was rearranged, and the AI was buffed, she wouldn’t be as much as a pushover as she ends up being. Now could that be by design because this game has alot of odd and weird things in it due to the “Time Machine” yeah, geeta has some odd choice of words as well which leads me to belive theory’s that the game is all a big wish. Either way I wish all the gyms and stuff were a bit harder, though you do get to fight them twice so that’s fun
I had more trouble on Larry, who was using the FLYING type, a type he DOESNT even like USING and DOESN’T FEEL COMFORTABLE USING THEM… than the ACTUAL CHAMPION… like, how is that even possible
Larry should get promoted to champion. He was the hardest gym leader and elite 4 member for me.
On my team I had three poison types and two grass/darks. Larry was rough, Geeta I swept.
Yeah Larry actually gave me a bit of trouble. Rest were easy
You had a hard time with Larry!? Hahahahahaha
Well, that's because Larry's a chad. The dude's so powerful they had to give him two jobs to hinder his raw power.
I think palafin would work really well as a lead. Imagine getting ready to fight the champion they send out their first pokemon and after you attack they immediately recall it and send out Glimmora likely setting up toxic spikes and probably eating a resisted hit. You could have Palafin and Kingambit be sort of a hero and villain thing. Keeping Palafin as a heroic face and the last line of defense before she resorts to the desperate villainous tactics of Kingambit when she has no other option. It would add a lot to her I think and leave people speculating on why she chose these pokemon.
And if her kingambit was also given sucker punch even tho it’s an egg move
@@herpderp1013 I've always felt that the Elite Four and Champion should be allowed egg moves (mainly for their aces). It helps set them apart as trainers, emphasizing their skill and dedication.
DAMN, okay this is the big brain stuff I didn’t even think of
Palafin leading off, switching (or using Flip Turn) into Glimmora, and then coming back out in Hero form as her 2nd-to-last Pokemon before Kingambit is an awesome idea. She would basically have 2 aces at that point.
@@X525Crossfire dude in the original Pokémon games I remember that they straight up gave Lance (final guy in the elite 4) Dragonite an illegal move that it cannot learn at all. lol
I wish they would do stuff like that again
In a horrible bit of irony, _Diantha_ was more memorable than her. Even if her team was also kinda crap, I can actually remember it cause it was all new Kalosian Pokemon. The fossils. Hawlucha. Pumpkaboo. Goodra. Her M-Gardevoir. I haven't even played XY since 2014, and it's still more memorable to me than Geeta's whole thing. What's more, Diantha had incomparably better presentation. A radiant chamber of stained glass, inside what's still the coolest League building for me, a cathedral, with a theme I can actually remember. I remember nothing from Geeta aside from the fact that she's not Paldea's only Champion, and her Glimmora.
also Diantha's Gardevoir is iconic (partly due to the fact that its Mega Gardevoir) but also because Diantha herself is an Ok fight
at least for me, I remember struggling against her a tad and wasnt steam rolling her like Lysandre
@@itsClaptrap Lysandre was harder in the USUM funnily enough because he had a fucking Gen 6 legendary. I will say that on my playthrough of XY, he actually caught me off guard because he carried Iron Head on his Mega Gyarados and KOed my Sylveon
At least Diantha is finally getting respect, although Geeta deserved to be so much stronger, yet was shafted because she wasn't the final boss. I agree Diantha was a memorable champion for the reasons you said, although I did remember Geeta's Gogoat & Kingambit.
Base game: "I am incapable of holding back."
DLC: "I was lying."
The pawnard family is obviously based on chess pieces. Which would make Kingambit all the better as a final out ace as the King in chess never sees any action until the player has no chose but to use it, meaning the King only typically starts taking pieces towards the endgame
That'd make the others chest pieces, maybe the charcadet evo as the knight?
@@blitz4779 huh??? What are you talking about??? Bro pawniard (pawn) -> Bisharp (Bishop) -> Kingambit (King) since when did charcadet evos come in???
@@KiwiFrag no no ik that gambit is the king, I'm just trying to think of her other team members as chest pieces lol. Just a silly thought is all
@@blitz4779 i see xd
King's Gambit is literally an opening chess move name so yea logic is solid 🔥
Honestly, I want to give her Ceruledge/Armarouge depending on what version you play. If you play Scarlet, she will have Ceruledge, if you play Violet then she will have Armarouge. (I say this because I believe what he meant was he wants them on same game where they appear, I want the opposite)
I had the same thought as soon as he said it; I think that would’ve made the team even more iconic
Agreed having your own Ceruledge fight Geeta's Armarouge would have been so cool & the same for the opposite.
Another great and memorable champion is Iris. I mean her battle theme is a party to celebrate your downfall. But that aside, it says a lot when a GYM LEADER has a better Espathra than a Champion, heck RAMOS'S Gogoat from the Coumarine Gym is also better than her's (and his Gym is aesthetically pleasing and not a bland office building like Paldea's League; was Larry the architect of this?)! When I see the two Kalos Pokémon she has, I can't help but also think of Diantha and how much of a sweep she was.
Though I guess I could give both her and Geeta the benefit of the doubt because Diantha would rather do her actress work and Geeta's not the true final Victory Road battle since it's Nemona, Paldea's a region of many champions and beating Geeta's just the test to see if you join this rank rather than replacing her, and Geeta's more than just a champion but the chairwoman who formed the whole League and does lots of stuff behind the scenes so she's quite busy.
True, imo a good solution to the geeta problem is to let us have a finale battle with her at the end of one of the DLCs to become the top champion, in which she has a much stronger and improved team.
Then this gives us a post game ability to fight different trainers to determine whether or not they can become champions (Arven, penny, etc). I think that would honestly be an amazing feature.
I’m actually glad I’m not the only one who didn’t like Geeta. Her team and her suit (no offense Geeta you look great in it) feel very corporate, like her team is a corporate cop out to make the game easier. That’s NOT what you want in a top champion, I don’t want it to feel like I’m just battling another random trainer. You’re team switch outs have made her look that more intimidating and I love that for her. Thank you!
Tbh when I ran through her team I was thinking to myself “this can’t be her final form she has to have more somewhere”
And then she never did
Imagine you get through her glimmora and then she reveals her true form and sends her wig onto the battlefield
@@decidueyefan3844 😂😂😂 lmao
@@decidueyefan3844 glimmora is her wig 😂
I think she probably does have a strongrr team
I just don't think we'll see it until dlc
Ok, but Gholdengo in there is really nice as a storybuilding thing because that implies she found 999 coins for her Gimmighoul and that's dedication.
Which would be further shown by her having a Kingambit which would require her having a Bisharp with a Leader's Crest fighting similar Bisharps so on top of finding all those coins, she sought all those Bisharps to make her's stand above them.
That would have been neato!...at least until the little collector's lore was established. It turns out that little ghost has a habit of subtly mind controlling people into collecting those coins for it. (Including the player)
Reminds me of that cute little sand castle that turned out to be a little terror 😨
Geeta would've been awesome with TWO aces: both purple squid to start (Glimmora), going terrastrialized to show off she means business, and Kinggambit in the end as a plot twist! Making her a memorable champion rather than a pushover lol
IT SHOULD'VE BEEN LIKE THIS 😭
It'd make her more unique and memorable, along with the other changes to her team
Ability-wise, it would make sense, too! Glimmora sets up the poison spikes, and then Kingambit gets a boost from the fallen comrades. The order she uses is stupid.
Kinggambit sort of NEEDS the terrastalistation. A speed 50 mon with a 4x weakness to fighting is PITIFUL. At the very least give them a Chople Berry, which would halve the 4x weakness to 2x weakness.
Personally I'm baffled GameFreak always makes the AI use generation gimmicks _last._ It gets super predictable, why not throw the gimmick out first or use it in the middle of the fight to spice things up?
@@aegisScale As a design choice it makes sense. You want players to feel a progression of difficulty, so the boss battle feels EPIC. If the tough part is done first, the rest of the fight would feel flat. Need to have that boss battle phase shift feeling 🙂
With that said, I totally agree with you - the predictability is really becoming an issue. They clearly didn't have the time to deal with Geeta's set-up or consider it's impact on the player, given how many OTHER issues there are 😆
On your first, "safe" team, I would argue that if you didn't use Arboliva, then she could also use Brambleghast as her Grass type - it's got some niche as a part Ghost, plus Wind Rider makes it immune to "wind" moves, such as Heat Wave and Hurricane
Geeta's team literally looks like she went onto a Pokemon team building website and pressed the "randomize" button.
“Veluza was also featured on the FOURTH gym leader, you think THAT deserves to be on a champion team?”
Meanwhile, Roserade and Lucario: *am i a joke to you?*
Okay, I get Veluza has middling stats, but the fourth gym argument isn’t that good imo.
but roserade and lucarios are way better than veluza so it still works
You aren't wrong. However those 2 are far more memorable and to put more points in those 2, they were the aces of their respective gyms unlike veluza. Cynthia having previously gym aces is far from as bad as just a mid game gym's first mon
Yeah, but it wasn't his signature mon, it was a filler mon. Lucario and Roserade were the aces of their respective gyms.
Veluza was disappointing as. It looks like an alternate form of Barraskewda but worse.
I would actually argue that Valuza is his ace pokemon. I’m pretty sure Iono says that Bellibolt is her partner and yet she sends out Mismagius last. I’m p sure the Paldean pokemon the use are thier partners or “ace” and then they terastilize a different normal pokemon. Besides it’s kind of weird for Valuza not to be his signiture mon considering it’s his catchphrade and all.
Still an awful pokemon for the Champion to use. Rip Donbozo is better 100%. But the ace arguement is kinda shaky considering how the gyms are structured.
Would've been extremely cool to see her Ace as a shiny kingambit
She even has the same color scheme as one!
Come join Geeta’s team, we got:
• Lady GaGa
• The GOAT
• Tin Man Barraskewda
• Turtle Club
• A _foolish_ samurai warrior
• Barnacle MAN!
I just realized something.
Rika's question session is harder than Geeta's fight.
I had one wrong answer and was supposed to restart everything. Theoretically, the same occurs with having no Pokémon left over in a fight.
Honestly, I never had difficulties with champions, but Cynthia was something else. I can remember the fight against her took like forever. I only fought her once, but damn, that was something else. It took so many potions and revives, it was intense...
Part of it was our knowledge of the game but also I think Cynthia is always one of the champions with max IVs plus she has basically perfect coverage. She’s arguably harder in BDSP
Hardest champions from when I played was Cynthia, Lance, Iris, and Steven.
Sadly Lance's team comp is far easier to deal with now, but back in Gen 2 he was a monster. Iris unlike Alder has a much harder hitting team comp that will make you regret not bringing an ice type. (And was probably a reason for Fairy types to be made since Dark/Dragon was just too op.) Steven... Metagross being Metagross.
Fighting her I was absolutely baffled by the fact her last pokemon was the one that set up toxic spikes...as it fainted ending the battle
In addition to what you discussed in the video, I also find it interesting that, unlike most other champions Geeta doesn't use her gen's Pseudo-legendary pokemon.
This isn't the first time. Lance didn't use Tyranitar in gen 2 for instance, but he still at least had Dragonite which was the Pseudo-legendary in Gen 1.
Steven has Metagross
Cynthia obviously has Garchomp.
And while he's not officially the champion, Ghetsis had a Hydreigon in Gen 5.
The next time the champion doesn't have their gen's Psuedo is Gen 7 with Kukui not using Kammo-o.
Then gen 8's Leon has a Dragapult back on his team.
So Geeta not having Baxcalibur on her team seems like a bad start to me.
Eh not having a pseudo is the least of Geeta's problems, besides a good team doesn't NEED one.
@@Lv-sl3rm True enough.
But in terms of raw power, peudos are at the top of the list when it comes to non-legendaries and non-specialty strats.
Obviously any competitive player wouldn't bat an eye at one, but to the average 10-year old who's the game's target audience, seeing something for what is likely the first time show up on the champion's team? Probably wouldn't have a clear answer for it.
And if anything, reading my comment again I'd guess it was more idle musings on an observation. I wasn't trying to say she needed one, but it wouldn't hurt.
To be fair, finding (and being chased by) a Veluza in the wild is actually terrifying. Those things are ridiculously fast and aggressive.
Too bad in battle it’s extremely slow sort of like a familiar face I remember
@@Jetstreamsamsbiggestglazer yeah I always found that so weird about Velluza. You think it'd have a super high speed stat, but it's just an average 70
@@ToxicPea if you look carefully, just before it starts chasing you it uses Fillet Away which doubles its speed
And they are like an sawblade
@@Pixelite_ neat!
The one defense I can offer for Gogoat and Avalugg being in her team is that both come from Kalos, which borders Paldea in the north-east. With Paldea being based on Spain and Kalos being based on France, it was sort of bound to happen that Gen 6 Pokemon would peek their head in from their (main) region into Paldea
That is understandable, however I'm sure there were plenty of other Kalos pokemon she could have gotten that weren't Gogoat and Avalugg.
Then why not have a pokemon from Kalos that's actually good.
Hell if you want to play that game, look at Kukui.
Alola would be part of Unova and so the man has a Braviary.
You don't go "Oh, there's a connection to Unova, get him a Liepard"
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Alola is an archipelago, flying types and water types from other regions would logically be the most common since they wouldn't need some kind of transportation to cross the oceans. Geeta has a Gogoat (i. e. Mountain goat that would be able to climb down the "wall" at the north east of Paldea), and Avalugg, which being an iceberg can definitely have come from the bordering northern sea by just floating south from Kalos. Remember that Pokémon in this game do behave as you would expect them. Flabebé floats away in the wind, Chanceys run away from potential threats and weaker pokémon create packs around stronger ones. I'm by no means saying that that makes Gogoat and Avalugg good, actually, but I think it has some strong lore potential
@@MarcelineVampQueen Ok then, only flying and water types, switch Liepard for Unphesant :P
@MarcelineVampQueen They could have introduced iconic powerhouses of Kalos like Aegislash, Noivern, Dragalge or Greninja (make its ability Protean for ultimate fuckery), or if they wanted to keep the Grass theme, pick Trevenant--literally anything but Gogoat. Say what you want about X and Y, but Kalos has arguably one of the most solid lineups when it comes to pokemon, and a lot of them would've been a better choice than Gogoat.
Plus, "realism" is kind of a cop-out considering that invasive species, where humans bring over animals, insects and diseases from other regions that permanently alter the native ecosystem, are a thing, and even have been used as a concept in Pokemon before. They could easily use that concept, or hell, Geeta is the champion and probably rich; maybe she just imported a Trevenant because she thought it was cute and wanted one or smth. My point is, there are a lot of other Kalos choices besides Gogoat, which is honestly a lame choice for a champion lineup.
I think your second team idea is very solid, since Amarouge and Cerueledge are underused in the main game using the one from your game makes perfect sense as it's a "woah that's cool I want it" reaction instead of a useful but less fitting "woah that looks like (my version exclusive) but different what is that?" The only thing I could say is that Kingambit's Tera could be ghost or psychic, specifically the one opposite the Charcaadet evo she got, both to make each version a little more unique and to make it resistant or immune to fighting instead of just regularly weak, plus some extra stab. I think some set like Swords Dance, Kowtow Kleave, Iron Head, and Tera Blast would be cool. Alternatively keep it simpler for the first match and then pull put the ghost/psychic Tera for any rematches.
Edit: Actually just had the idea of running the opposite versiom Charcadet evo so that Geeta can give the player a single copy of the opposite game's armor after as a "hey you might want this" thing or something just to make version exclusives that much more connected to the Pokemon world and to let players use both Evos without requiring trading
Honestly, they could have just made Glimmora and Kingambit like a pair of aces for her. Have Glimmora at the start of the party, way higher level than the rest of her team and she makes a remark like "I never did know how to hold back, so why should I keep my strongest Pokemon for last?". It goes down, sets up spikes and then Kingambit at the end of the party as the traditional ace pokemon.
This, basically. Having her lead with her designated Ace feels obvious given her quote about not holding back.
The moment I checked Glimmoras ablitiy I asked myself.: why not let hre lead with Glimmora and end with Kingambit.
Exactly what I did always lead with glimmora so I was completely shocked she had one last
mfw her Glimmora activates its Toxic spikes ability when her entire team is already wiped out.
It's big brain time
I think what makes it worse is you can only guarantee a fight with her ONCE. Because they removed the ability to rematch the Pokémon league! They only let us reliably fight her one time and didn’t give us a memorable fight 😭
Yeah, that sucks.
I was so surprised when I tried to rematch and just got some generic "Congrats on beating the League" comment
She does make an appearance in the Academy Ace Tournament in the postgame but I'm not certain how often she's guaranteed outside of "definitely the final fight of your first bracket run"
@@kingishking I know. Thats what I mean by reliably. You can only actively choose to fight her once and it’s not memorable at all. It even would have been cool if the ace tournament had the past tournament function where you could choose someone you’d specifically want to enter so you’d have a chance to fight them. But we didn’t sadly 😭
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's complaining about this. You can't rematch the Elite Four and even the Gym Leaders. You can't rematch your rivals either. I mean the rivals show up in the academy tournament but I would rather hear their signature themes instead of the same theme over and over. I really hope this changes
EDIT: You only get to rematch the Gym Leaders ONCE. Like. Why?
I struggled more with the little girl in the Elite 4 than I did with her.
I mean, that Tinkaton alone sure was harder than Geeta’s whole team
Nah Hassel's team actually killed me twice. That stupid baxcaliber sweeps
When I first fought Geeta, the second pokemon she sent out was Kingambit. If she simply led with Glimmora to set up traps, and had Kingambit as her ace, her difficulty would probably double. Still probably not that hard, considering her entire team folds to a single Lokix, but it is something. She is laughably easy.
I'm sorry, her team folds to a single WHAT?!
@@thebeardedaliengamer7103bug dark
No kingambit is overrated, she should’ve had Arboliva as her ace
@@liamtherobot9656 a normal grass type with another grass type the idea is good but why not replace the solo grass for the grass normal
Its actually super meta to have glimmora come out last. This way when you one-shot it, it will leave it's toxic spikes on the ground for the next challenger to have to deal with right from the start.
Lol
Pulling a Klara there
Do they not have maintenance people? 🤔 icky building if so, though, I guess that'd be why her battle takes place ontop of the building... so the rain can clean it for her
I think it's a difference in how the champion is portrayed in paldea. Every other region has only one champion who replaces the champion they beat. But in Paldea, it's more like Champions are an elite rank of trainers, who have to beat the elite 4 and the Main Champion to reach that.
it's like the e4 is the test to see if you can go pro as a trainer.
Its like sorta anime accurate
You beat the league and you won the rank but you aren't champ
But it still sucks
Deadass had more problem fighting Larry in the normal gym, mainly because I had no fighting moves
A way you can keep Glimmora as her Ace but still make it useful is to have Palafin be her lead and program her to always first turn flip turn into it. Theoretically if it is a higher level than her other mons it will be more likely to survive a hit anyway (although we all know we'd still be overleveled and one shot them all anyway in reality). Even though it started at the back of her party it actually had use and will more than likely go down first setting up the monster of a team this video describes. Obviously finishing with Kingambit for a potential clean up for the unprepared.
or maybe lead with glimmora, then go into palafin, then she swaps into another mon that resists whatever the player clicked
In this case I think it's intentional that Geeta is a bit easier than other Champions, because even though she's "Top Champion," her battle is mostly just a test to attain a generalized "Champion Rank," so in a sense it's a glorified Gym Leader fight. Paldea's take on the Elite Four and the Champion battle is a lot more laid-back story-wise than it typically is, with it not being intended as a fight to decide the region's best-of-the-best, but just as a rite of passage to get in with the Champion crowd. Geeta's dialogue during the fight even reflects this, with her not being remotely competitive but rather expressing hope that you'll win the battle.
The final battle of Victory Road is against Nemona anyway.
A more pressing problem is that she uses the SAME EXACT TEAM in the Academy Ace Tournament despite declaring that she will show you the full might of the Top Champion there. But I suspect that's an aspect of rushed development more than anything.
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@@mups4016 dude geeta herself said that her weakness is when she battle always goin all out cant hold back.its contradictory to your statement haha
@@mvplovers24 thats what all characters say. Especially in animes. One come to mind is sasuke and itachi fighting. Sorry if thats way outta left field, but the idea is still there lol
I agree, I hate that her team is the same in the ace tournament. I feel like they could just change it with a patch, idk how hard that would be. Or just give us an elite four rematch in dlc and give her the better team
Game Freak: Pastes random pokemon on a team showing a fundamental lack of care put into anything
The fans: The team is bad as an artistic expression
They could have incorporated her into the area zero story and given her some paradox mons. Glimmora kinda is one seeing as it’s very rare outside of area zero.
Yeah especially with the fact she got a Glimmora meaning she got access. The fact La Primera thinks Nemona is more powerful and was holding back... *The fact that's coming from La Primera who is Geeta says ALOT*
And I mean she's not wrong, Nemona is far more challenging than Geeta
I feel like Gholdengo is a great choice for her team because Cynthia had Spiritomb which is super rare and hard to get.
Ngl... They should drop Avalugg and Gogoat and give her a Palafin with Flip Turn, and a Gholdengo. Then we drop the Gogoat and Avalugg. Avalugg is just not in a good position at all especially with it's typing and frailty on the special side. Palafin hero form would be great to deal with the Fire, Rock, and Ground problems.
We need that Espathra to get buffed to be capable of sweeping ngl. But if not, then replace it with a *Great Tusk (Scarlet) or a Iron Threads (Violet)*
I hate how she had a Glimmora but not any other paradox pokemon. Wasted chance to let her clap back.
*Honestly I like Gogoat alot and I glad it came back, but like... skeledirge beat it to nothingness*
I did my own rework of Geeta's team a while back and ended up with this: Glimmora, Aqua Breed Taurus, Arboliva, Armarouge/Ceruledge, Hisuian Zoroark and Tera Fighting Kingambit as her new ace.
Glimmora is built to stall and set up entry hazards, while the next three form a Fire/Water/Grass core like Blue's Champion team. Aqua Breed Taurus and Arboliva were chosen because the former has similar hair to Geeta and Arboliva has a similar presence/personality. Armarouge/Ceruledge were chosen because they're iconic and powerful pokemon, and Geeta would specifically have whichever one isn't available in your game.
Hisuian Zoroark was chosen for 2 reasons: because I wanted to include Hisuian pokemon in my reworked versions of all the important trainers and because it forms a very sneaky interaction with her new ace. Because Kingambit is her last pokemon, Zoroark's Illusion will make it appear as Kingambit, baiting the player to use a 4x super effective Fighting move which won't do anything to the Normal/Ghost Zoroark. This grants it a turn to set up a Nasty Plot and start sweeping. Plus it's fuelled by resentment, like the resentment Larry feels towards Geeta for all the work she piles onto him.
Finally, Kingambit was chosen due to it being powerful, having similar hair to Geeta, and being a perfect counterpart to Geeta herself. Geeta is notable as the most powerful trainer among all other Champion rank trainers, just like how Kingambit stands above all other Bisharp and can only evolve by defeating other equally powerful Bisharp.