Layout Update - Electrics, Diesels and Coaches - The Yorkshire Dales Model Railway
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2023
- Layout Update - Electrics, Diesels and Coaches - The Yorkshire Dales Model Railway
This week I've been trying to get my Hornby Class 91 running again, without much success. Let me know if you have any tips to getting it running again.
I also gave both the class 91 and a new class 33 the weathering treatment.
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Thanks for the advice and suggestions everyone - I managed to get the 91 running!
what was the issue?
Hi as it has already been suggested ,check the wiring between the two bogies . I had the same problem with a 125 and it was a loose connection on the rear bogie
When painted into green D6508 was painted with full yellow ends and numbered 33008. Later it was painted with the white window surrounds as allowed by BR and depicted by Heljan. It became the southern regions premier diesel hauling Pullman trains. Naturally the green paint was applied at Eastleigh Works long before you were born Lewis hence the name. From memory the loco was repainted into green about 1986-87 and no doubt a Lima model came out in that livery. Lovely less is more weathering job Lewis.
The motor bogie will only pick up from the wheels without traction tyres, the other side will only pick up from the opposite bogie which should be picking up from both rails. The first thing to check is if the wires are connected correctly between the two bogies as the motor is clearly working.
Thanks Robin - I had one of wheel sets the wrong way round so you were spot on!
OO Bill is probably your man to sort the Class 91 - there's not many Ringfield motors he hasn't had apart on his bench.
Second OOBill.
He’s the man!
Our poor guy on the switching house platform didn't get his bathroom break and it finally knocked him over. Lets hope he recovers soon :) Ronn
Haha he’s had enough!
These type of ‘how to’ video’s are a great inspiration. Thks. Now where is my air brush……
Thanks, glad you found it useful.
Great tutorial again Lewis, thank you. As you now have the class 91 running I won't go into detail on that but the front bogie frame was on backwards as evidenced by the steps on the bogie not lining up with the handrails and doors. The coaches are Mk 4's as evidenced by the bogies and doors. The doors are wider than Mk3's and are electric as opposed to slam doors on the Mk3's.
Regards, David.
Thanks for the info David. Yep that was exactly the problem!
As others have said OO Bill has done most things with Ringfield motors so I'm sure watching a couple of his video's will point you in the right direction. If he's not covered that particular problem I'm sure he will happily sort it for you (content all round !)
Thanks very much Gary - I’ll head to his channel and have a look 👍🏻
Your weathering reminds me so much of an article by Terence Cuneo in the Triang book of trains (circa 1960). He said that making a loco look heavy was the secret. He demonstrated with a Triang Nellie and a WR Toad brake van. The results were spectacular. You’ve really nailed it!! Steam, electric or diesel, your locos and stock look brilliant. 👍 An inspiration. Think I’ll be investing in an airbrush one of these days, though Mr Cuneo didn’t have one!
Thanks very much Robin. I’ll see if I can find that book online somewhere, sounds like a very useful guide!
Making a loco look heavy, I like it
lovely stuff , my Dad had a small folio of Cuneo prints , I used to look at them with wonder as a child !
@@fredtedstedman looking for the mouse 🐁 maybe? 😉
Nice video Lewis ,I know weathering done well looks better then stock from the work shop but your a braver man than me .I must say that the 91 & 33 are nice looking locos .😊
Thanks Steven!
Excellent work, Lewis. I must admit, I was a bit shocked to see an IC in your video. I do hope someone helps you and you can get it running. The Diesel 33 was also a bit different, but not as surprising. Always good to hear your voice and listening to you talk through the process! All the best to you!
Thanks Anthony, always appreciate it 👍🏻
Den Alterungsprozess hast du erstklassig festgehalten. Schönes Ergebnis. 👍😊🤩
Thank you 😀
OMG that opening sequence looks so real !! Your sense of colour is always spot-on !
Thank you 😀
Great weathering 🤩👍
As for the ringfield motor: it could be dirt in the wheelsets, axles or the pickups, at the motor bogie or at the second motorless bogie where the second pickup is. If all wheelsets and pickups are clean and all the soldered contacts are OK, it might be the ringfield magnet being to weak to drive the weight of the motor.
Great update video 👍
Thank you 👍🏻 I ended up having the wheels on one of the bogies the wrong way round! It’s working now 😀
Very nice rolling stock and diesels
Thank you 👍🏻
Fantastic work on the class 33 so realistic weathering and the buffers 👏👍
Thank you 👍🏻
Fabulous job Lewis, looks great and nice to see doggie too
Thanks 😀
Morning Lewis, your skills in weathering is second to none, your rolling stock and locomotives always look amazing. As for the pickup problems it unlikely the wheels need replacing, as some others have suggested its more likely the connection between the back bogies and the motor bogies a mistake some people make is putting the wheels the wrong way around when replacing them the wheels are insulated so pick up from opposite sides always enjoy following your progress, looking forward to the next videos, eddyxxx😅
Thanks Eddy - that was exactly the issue, it’s sorted now 😀
Hi Lewis I've said it before your braver man than me i just haven't got the guts to do it , well done proper job Lewis. Look forward to next weeks video.
Thanks Tony 👍🏻
Your best bet if you want your Class 91 to run smoothly is replace the ring field motor with a CD motor kit as can be found on the well known auction site.
Yes even if do get it working I can’t imagine it will be the best runner with the ring field! Thanks for the suggestion.
If you have any questions on changing the wheels or anything else on your trains, you might try asking Toy Man Television on RUclips. He rebuilds and changes a lot of his locomotives. Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it!
Thanks for the video 📹 and keep up the good work on your Model Railway
Thanks Cameron!
Love these talking tutorials the most mate, helps to hear your thoughts and explainations as you go, plus can listen in the background as i attempt to avoid painting my fingers 😂 learning is hard but with these excellent tutorials everyone here has a better chance of creating mouldy things 😂 hope you are enjoying running the class 91 🎉
Question, can I just make a wash with cheap acrylics?
Hi from Glasgow its a D.V.T and Mark 4 coaches
Thanks Cameron - that’s the one. I need to do my research on anything 1970s onwards!
Hi Lewis
With ref to the Mckinley weathering you mentioned, the lady had a white and a lighter blue than that already on the model. Not sure if your green was lighter than the model. I couldn't tell from the video. I'm waiting to try the same type of weatheing on my model. Loved the video.
Thanks for posting
Jeff
Thanks Jeff. Yes I think I just needed a lighter green, or as you say a white to mix in and make the current one a bit lighter.
Hi Lewis
I think she placed the blue and white on separately.
I can't remember her mixing the two colours. You had the right idea putting your paint on in small dots. It was to give the loco a distressed look and needing a new paint job.
Seeing the work you,ve done in the past you'll get to grips with it ok.
Be good to see a vid of you doing it.
Take care
Jeff
Lovely weathering job Lewis, all looks brilliant! Joachim
Thanks Joachim!
Absolutely stunning lew 👍
Thanks matey 👍🏻
Best tips for sorting out Ringfield motors can be viewed on RUclips at OOBill or Dan's Model Railways.
From memory they've both done the CD conversions too.
Not sure you need new wheelsets: sounds like a pickup problem. Usually down to loose wires, or perhaps someone connecting up the contacts wrongly after a service. It can happen all too easily.
Thanks Stephen - it turned out I had the wheels the wrong way round on one of the bogies!
Awesome video as usual Lewis!! Thanks for sharing! Cheers Onno.
Thanks Onno 👍🏻
Hey Lewis, great video again mate. Little tip with using Tamiya paints- rather than water for thining, try using their own brand of thinners, either the acrylic thinners or the lacquer thinners will work brilliantly with these paints. It does make a difference.
Also, isocol alcohol will work just as well and you probably already have that kicking around in the workshop. You'll only need a few drops per airbrush cup.
Cheers!
Ash
Thanks Ash - I’ll give both of those a go.
My dream came true - modern traction at Mouldy :)
Haha finally!
Well that was different ! I was going to pull your leg about a leccy with no wires 🤣 But it was much better than that. Thanks for a very interesting edition, great stuff 👍👍👍
Ha thanks Robert 🤣 Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent tutorial on the weathering, given me a bit of confidence to have a go, I’m just looking to do something similar with roof and underframe dusting to take the plasticy look off, stunning scenics btw cheers Darrell
Thanks Darrell, appreciate it.
Love seeing more weathering videos btw, really love to see more of that. Id like some tips on brake vans and box cars etc. Did well with a few plank wagons but not the same with the rest of rolling stock
Thanks Ande - I’ll try and put some more videos on that out.
@@MouldyRaspberry thanks 👍 good to learn from the best.
Great video, of your weathering, hope you get your 91 up and running soon
Thanks Dave - got it sorted in the end!
A very nice model of the Class 33. The only thing with running it on your layout is that the "Crompton's" did not have headlights, or carry nameplates until the late 80s, early 90s, unless The Yorkshire Dales Railway is going to become a heritage line?
Thanks Steffan - you’re right I think this is the 1990s version, but I just like how they look.
Each bogie picks up from a single rail (because of the traction tyres). Normally each axle has one wheel with a cog attached. The front bogie has the cos on one side, the rear bogie has the cogs on the opposite rail. The pick-ups from each bogie then connect to opposite poles of the motor. Hope that helps.
Thanks - that was exactly the problem, switch one wheel set round and it works fine now 👍🏻
Interesting video, as always. As others have said, OO Bill has done a lot on Hornby Ringfields. Definitely worth a look.
Thanks Stewart - it turned out that had the wheels the wrong way round on one of the bogies!
along with others that have mentioned him, OO Bill on you tube. I’ve learned loads about servicing.
Thanks - I’ll take a look 😀
@@MouldyRaspberry No problem. Your weathering of the locomotives were really nicely done 👌as are your layouts and running sessions.
Check the wiring and the connections to see if the pickups are loose. I have a loco that needs new cables. Works when power is put directly to the motor pick up but the pickups in the wheels are loose and need rewiring
Thanks - it turned out that had the wheels the wrong way round on one of the bogies!
Gosh what a shock seeing a 91 and you sound out of your depth describing it LOL. They use MK4 stock and a Driving Van Trailer. I see you got it working which is good but they are not the best of motors so you cannot get the fine control you do with your proper steam locomotives. Nice to see your assistant or is it supervisor checking on your work on the 33 which looks really good.
Haha yep I need to do some research on these 🤣 Thank you!
Could you show a plan of the complete circuit so I can get an idea of the entire layout? By the way, exceptional work, congratulations.
Thanks! If you drop me an email at mouldyraspberry@gmail.com I’ll send you a track plan
@MouldyRaspberry - Been binging your videos last couple of days because I love your style. Im building my first layout and getting lots of inspiration!
I was wondering if you would mind sharing your grass recipe? It's the best ive seen that looks spring / summer time but still very realistic. Sorry if you've mentioned it before, I did try to watch any relevant videos & read comments.
Thanks 😀. I use 2mm spring grass all over, then use hairspray as glue to put 4mm summer and then 6mm straw down in places.
I should show it in this video the the one after it ruclips.net/video/VJ_Vw3cBmQs/видео.html
@Mouldy Raspberry thank you so much, I feel silly, I have seen that video but I wasn't really focused on the grass at the time. I really appreciate you & your channel. Its got me really excited about what's possible for my new board I'm working on.
Lewis, the motor turns when you put the battery terminals on the motor leads, so you know the motor is operational. There may be a mechanical binding between the wheels and the motor. If the wheels turn easily when you turn them by hand, and the motor moves, too, there is no mechanical problem. Your wheels turn when you power the motor, so binding is likely not your problem!
That leaves the electrical pathway between the wheels and the motor.There will be some sort of what US usage calls "wipers" bronze or copper pieces that rub on the backs of the wheels. They will connect by wire to the motor terminals.
There may be dirt or dust keeping the wipers from rubbing on the wheels. They may be bent or missing, or just dislodged. If the wipers are not the problem, you may have a broken wire beneath the insulation. If there is a capacitor or other electronics in the circuit, that may be faulty.
If you have a multi-meter, you can test various parts of the circuit for continuity, and perhaps figure out where the disconnect lies.
Hope this gives you some ideas of where to look, at least. You do such a nice job of making them look like they have seen service. It is too bad if you cannot get this one to provide service to your little people!
Good seeing your canine companion again!
Thanks for all the tips Steven - I ended up having the wheels on one of the bogies the wrong way round, so it was shorting. All sorted now, just needs a good run I think!
Glad it worked. Some US locomotives have the same configuration. When someone else mentioned the front bogey (truck in US usage), I thought they had given you the correct answer.
A lot of the problems can be solved by careful process of elimination! Glad you had success!
Typically, one side pickups are on the motor bogie, and the other side pickups are on the other bogie. A single wire would run from the trailing to the motor supplying the other side. You cannot run the motor with a battery against a single bogie (for that reason). Hope this makes sense.
That does - that was exactly the problem, thank you!
Lewis, i make a habit of bringing class 43s to life, just done another today actually...
125s will be pretty similar to the 225...
Btw that battery test is wrong, the traction tyres are non conductive. These require power from the front bogie and back. If I were guessing I would say the wheels on the bogies are wrong way. I.e the cogs on the front dummy buggy should be opposite. I've emailed you.
Thanks Ande - you were spot on.
Fantastic layout well done didn't realise about the 9 volt battery that you used on your locos is that suitable for all model trains anywhere intrested in your feedback sumtime cheers from Bruce.blenheim south island new Zealand
I think just newer ones - someone mentioned it doesn’t work on these older models so I was wasting my time doing that! Thank you 👍🏻
My trains are from Brazil the livery is kiwi rail purchased last year from a hobby shop in Christchurch nz I'll try it out sum time thanks for info mate cheers from Bruce.blenheim south island new Zealand
Hi check that if fitted the switch by patagraph is not set to collect from patagraph rather than wheels .
Thanks for the tip Toby - I ended up having the wheels on one of the bogies the wrong way round, so it was shorting. Interesting that it could pick up from a paragraph though.
Have you watched any 00 Bill or Dan's model railways videos on you tube to learn how to dismantle and service motors, regards Steve of T.F.R. Carriage and Wagon Works.
Thanks Stephen - I’ll check them out.
Is that ringfield connected up to the front bogie? I think the wheels only pick up on one side on each bogie so they should be connected together. That's why a battery to the wheels wouldn't do anything. At least, that's how it works on my old 90s Intercity 125. I echo the people saying check out 00Bill. He's really good.
Ah yes that makes sense actually - that explains why there are traction tyres on one side of the bogie! Thanks for the advice 😀
What is the stone walling you use?
It’s made of foam, sold by Osbourne’s Models
Is there not a wire to the front wheels from the motor? The front wheels general are the pickups on ringfield diesels/electrics.
Yes I had one of the wheel sets the wrong way round!
@@MouldyRaspberry easy fix then ☺ 👍
I have a question about your layout. What eras are you doing? And what is your inspiration? From Tyler.
Late 1950s/early 1960s, but I’ll run anything in it 😀
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Quite a number of videos have been made on servicing the Ringfield motor. Here is one. ruclips.net/video/WCwfrisRCMg/видео.html
Thanks Allen - I got it sorted in the end 👍🏻
Isopropyl alcohol or India Pale Ale?😊
Probably best to have some of each to hand!
How much for your class 27
I’ve sold it now 👍🏻
Have a look at 00bill you can learn a lot from him
Good suggestion thanks, I’ll check him out.
This is something I was gunna suggest. His videos on servicing locos are really useful
I was about to suggest OObill, but I was too slow.
Hahah staggered by all the hype around oobill, wow i wonder if he knows hes so famous these days 🤣
He’s the man!
The 91 looks completely wrong on this steam railway 😂
Yep no overhead wires! 🤣
@@MouldyRaspberry That's why it wouldn't run! 😄
@@MouldyRaspberry
You could drag it with a diesel, which happened with diversions.
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Lewis, what have you done!!!! The intercity monstrosity on your layout is sacrilege and an offence to ageing eyes. As always, Henry.
Heresy!!! It won’t be appearing often, don’t worry 😉
I would contact 00bill as he has a fountain of knowledge and would do an excellent repair see princess louise .thanks
It turned out that had the wheels the wrong way round on one of the bogies!
@@MouldyRaspberry well spotted. Like your channel where do you get your hedges on your layout absolutely superb. Linking sound with layout .
OOBill. He does commissions and also does really good videos on repairing older locos. If you can get in contact with him I am sure he'll be able to help you out.
Thanks for the suggestion Tim 👍🏻