Chinese Aircraft: Long Road to Perfection
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- We firmly believe that you can judge the state of a country by the state of its aircraft industry, and China is no exception here. During the 20th century, China went through a lot of big changes - and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force had to overcome a lot of obstacles to get to where it is now.
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China had the ability to repair every part of the Mig-15 for the korean war, however they never built any complete mig-15 airframes and the designation “J-2” was never used in china, the mig-15s were simply referred to as mig-15s. The first migs to be built in china were mig-17s, which are referred to as J-5s in china.
Another cringe western hater
what makes you think i hate the west?@@theangrychicken5026
@@theangrychicken5026how is that cringe lol
@@phoenixamaku5551 yeah everyone hates the west according to some people
bruh, another cringe china hater🤣👉@@theangrychicken5026
Very educational piece.
Indeed the double delta wings is uniquely to China's Mig 21/J7E.
They didn't simply scraped the old Mig 21/J7.
Today the Chinese turned it into a small fighter/trainer JL9.
JL9 is based on JL7, the trainer version of mig 21. Only the design is carried over not the airframe. Most of the old planes are scrapped or turned into tarted drones.
Funfact, it took China about 3 years to put mig-21F-13 into production after acquiring licence for it from the USSR, the first domestically developed Chinese fighter was the J-8 fighter Which was nothing else But “enlarged” J-7I with 2 modified R-11-300 engines, 2 type 30-1 cannons from the J-7I and 4 PL-2 AAMs Which were licenced copies of R-3 missiles (not R-3S Which were upgraded versions of the R-3 with better gas generator that could keep the internal systems running for 21 seconds instead of 11) and with copied radar rangefinder from the J-7I. All of this beauty was put into production In 1980… 11 years after the maiden flight
Want to see J-10 next update.
The other Chinese plane I really want to see in WT is L-15B, which is the attacker version of the JL-10 trainer. Looks really cool for a trainer.
J10 maybe too early,Su 27 has high change cause their in service more early that J10.
@@ngmike8496the J10A could use aspides along with pl-8(pythons)…more advance pl-5 ir missiles ..the J10A would not hold that much over the Flanker in game..also this why we don’t balance the game with service years just because they came in at different times doesn’t rule out there utility to fight..
The flanker is faster..Carries more than double the ordnance the J does..the J10A may only be better in thrust to weight and radar other than that no..china was just getting building domestically built/Developed fighters at that time relying Heavily on outside materials and minds to bring it together.. let’s just say Israel winces at the J10’s development another example the PL-12 originally was just a AMRAAM clone Russian R77 seeker strapped to it…
@@ngmike8496 Bro, JL-10, NOT J10… That’s two very different plane bro… look it up!
@@lafosh7234 Same here, JL-10, not J-10. Two completely different planes! JL means trainer…
quastion: will realistic battles ever get an Enduring Confrontation mode? it could help solve the amount of people going into ground rb just to play cas as playing cas in air rb in its current state is a nightmare
They had ec as a event in air rb before .it was great but everyone was able to research multiple vehicles in a short amount of time and get tons of lions.i think that’s why they haven’t brought it back they probably weren’t making a lot of money in premium and golden eagles.also cas in rb isn’t bad just needs more ppl dedicated to aa that knows how to aim.
@@kwilliams3161 well if they had a similar reward system to how EC is in sim i don't think it'd be any different
@@stein_the_lynx3284 it wasn’t different at all they took ec sim and put it into air rb .only that now you were able to use mouse aim.
@@kwilliams3161 yeah but with the way EC is in sim you can actually do CAS without it being in the middle of where all the fighters end up. meaning people wouldn't go to ground battles to play cas. because i know personally when i play ground battles it's usually just so i can get my CAS fix out without playing sim
@@stein_the_lynx3284 I understand that and thats why there is that incentive to play sim and why they didn’t keep it in air rb .it was too easy with mouse aim to farm rp/lions.they won’t be adding it back to air rb I’ve asked stona on the forums years ago and it’s not on their priority list .if you want to attempt to farm play sim.if you don’t want to play sim you’re sol.
It's a shame that War Thunder doesn't have any WWI planes. I imagine it would be interesting to fly with a Fokker Dr.1, DVII, Albatros or Sopwith Camel.
I agree, I'd love to have some older aircraft in the game, my friends tell me it would be very boring and slow but I don't mind slow.
Idk if it would be possible but having the ability to fire a pistol from a WW1 aircraft or other things that pilots apparently did would be right up my road.
YA they could go to like negative numbers of BR for WW1
@@CoolCarVideoworld war event ?
@@chocolatemilkinafijibottle4143 If they just designed smaller maps for WW1 aircraft, then there wouldn't be any problem. WW1 biplanes were typically very nimble so I don't think the dogfights would be boring or anything.
Well u can have a 0 br, 0.3, 0.7, it should be fine
In addition to the Q-5 and J-8B follow-up series, there is also a JL-9 that has changed its nose air intake to two side air intakes. It is a basic improvement from JL-7.
Man I was actually waiting for a teaser of J-11 or Chinese Su-27 as the narrator mentioned more modern Chinese aircrafts, hence confirming Flankers (and Eagles) for the next update
It is not fair for china to have flanker
@@grahh7234 but given the Tor is added only to Chinese tech tree, who knows what Gaijin gonna do?
@@TigerOwO thumbs down👎
@@grahh7234 lol I have no idea what Gaijin's thinking, like the ADATS was added to the US tech tree a year before the nations that actually put it in service.
@@grahh7234 or F16AJ?
3:49, happy jet with selfie stick taking a selfie :)
You think a more detailed video on the star fighters would be useful?
Love these type of videos
It's exetremelly impressive how far the Chinese aviation industries come. The fact that the J=11/15s can rival Flankers is a bit mind boggling. The only issue is innovation, they never seem to be able to create something from scratch without having used another design as a base, though they can massively improve on existing designs.
Remember the last zuhai airshow sukhoi pr agents taking pics with j-18s. they were genuinely happy to see how their technology is doing with chinese input and technologies
@@goblincleaver_mshm.9751 can you link that video?
I guess when a country missed the first and second industrial revolution, and had to catch up for the better part of the past century, imitation from the best is unavoidable.
It seems that your impression of China's aviation industry still lingers in the last century. The Soviet Union's Su27 and its improved models were indeed equipped in large quantities in China, but the j10 and the latest cutting-edge j20 were products completely independently developed by China.
@@leonwu-7995 Let’s not pretend J20 is wholly indigenous and without product through espionage…
Q: Will war thunder have more PVE game modes? I love playing them with friends!
You have the illegal PvE gamemode only shown in air SB during events 😂
Jokes aside, I hope this PvE matches are stopped in a near future because I'd prefer not to do the events in air RB
@@danstrous1107 lol but yeah I’m not gonna waste my time if I can get the events done faster in SB I’m gonna
YE-152 is a cute reference, but be honest. The J-8 is a trifecta of the best parts of the MiG-21 and the F-4 (perceived)
Q:will gaijin prefer JF17 in chinese tech tree??
the ending was amazing
Today is Romanian day.. and no events nothing.. we thanks gaijing supporting our country
When is China getting a top-tier IFV for Ground RB?
Because Chinese market and playerbase
Never
They do still need the Type 97 (the BMP-3 that you got off of wish) and the ZBL-09. I'm sure they'll come at some point though.
@@Red_Four That would be the ZBD04, but indeed, it would bring quite a lot of gameplay methods
A very nice video! However one small correction: the PLA didn't field any Tu-2s or La-9s during the civil war, these planes were obtained in the 1950s around the Korean War
Q; why do planes like the F-16C have the Aim-9J as usable missiles, despite them having been taken out of service before this plane was made?
F16C with 9J?
The F16C has the AIM-9L as stock missed🤦🤦
@@AZ-dj1ni my bad, I meant the F-16D, shoo with your facepalming haha
@@bensherohuntershelp-wi4drprobably a filler missile currently until the Python 4 is fully ready to be readded
@@RodanES genuinely surprised they didn’t give the Barack II the python 3 as the 3rd or missile.
(but even more surprised they added the Barack II in the first place and not the Barack I)
Idiotoso
Hey Gaijin, do y'all ever consider adding WW1 era tanks like the A7V or Mark 4
BR 0.5
The Salinas tank
@@brendan5825Would be cool if Br 0.5 would be researchable after getting to rank 3 or 4. Tanks like those are more difficult to control and use in gameplay terms for newbies.
still kinda pissed that the type 59 gets a low speed half stab and the t54 doesn't but they're the same br even tho the first one is quite frankly just an improved model
The Type 59 is basically a Chinese production of the T-54A. The Russian T-54 models we have in-game are the first models, not the updated ones. The T-55A in their tech tree is a closer representation of its features, but the Type 59 doesn't have APFSDS.
the ZTZ59A, a premium version, even has a LRF which made it an outstanding bully tank
and yes simutaneously the OF-40, a leopard 1 but better than the leopard 1 in every possible aspect shares the 8.0 BR
@@tianhaoju4634 The ZTZ59A is in a weird spot, where it sits between the capabilities of the Type 59 and T-55A. It has the laser rangefinder, but no APFSDS, so it sits at the same 8.0 BR as the regular Type 59. It's a sign of compression, more than anything, but I don't feel like the laser rangefinder alone warrants a higher BR.
I think it'd be unfair to put a T-54 at the same Br as the T-55A tho, it's more of a compression problem
Exited to see J-10C, J-15 and J-16
when will the Q5 attackers get their AAMS and Q5L get countermeasures?
This video sounds like a quote foreshadowing“ for the upcoming update with containing Chinese copied SU-27’s and later the fully licensed one.
Wish we can get that gorgeous J-10 Soon
It’s easy to catch up when everyone else has already done the leg work for you and you just CTRL + C and CTRL + V
That said; I still want to see the J-10 in game and maybe the JF-17.
Can we hope to get the chinese single engine fighters this update ?
What perfection
I see the plane 81192, the one got hit by a Pe-3 which turned into a crash...
This video was needed .when China was first put into the game ppl referred to it as a copy paste nation and pointless but China did actually copy the aircraft irl.
War thunder would you add general Creighton Abrams Jr thunderbolt VII Sherman to the game?
Q: so when are we getting the Chinese joint fighter FC1 aka JF17?
Gaijin, please add the J-10 for China in the next update
What did the Chinese technician want after he showed you a nut and bolt? Wua-Shir
Please Gaijin make bigger realistic Ground Battle maps with places to separate from the spawn areas so you are not just slaughtered in spawn by everything CAS.
81192在中国人民心里有着特殊含义
j-10 and j-11 when
And the trainer aircraft also.
JL-9
JL-10
J-11 and Su-27s miiiiight be launched later this year, but it's possible they only add the Gripen so sweden has some time to catch up and remain relevant
J-20 when
@@superburrito9797 what point is there in adding trainer aircraft
@@thatoneguy1741 to fill in the air china tech tree.
They did the same for sweden and the new battle pass jet is a trainer aircraft for Britain
Where is the early model of the J-8
Nice
When’s the new patch?
End of December
PLEASE MAKE THE ERA FOR US M60A3 TTS A MODFICATION PLS PLS PLS also nice video i enjoyed it
Again. Gratulacje music 🎉
1 day of waiting to war thunder add polish tech tree
Q: will you eaver add Yugoslavia?
Pls add the J-10 and J-11 pls! they are my fav fighter jets other than the SU-27(pls also add this)
Cool, when J-10?
/Looks at Peace Pearl/
So why Su-15 isn't in the game?
Tbh love the shape of late third gen aircraft like MiG-23, Phantom and J-8F(was it F)? The sleek fourth gen jets "suffer" the same thing as MBTs - interesting designs died off as optimal solutions were figured out so they mostly look the same. And that makes them boring. Sorry fourth gen jet fans, yes, your Su-27 and F-14 look ugly to me😅
The Su-15 employed the K-8 missiles, these are only good for bombers. It does have two R-60s and a twin 23mm gun pod, but then its lack of flare and RWR would make it something of a super F-104A type of plane, I guess gaijin just cant be bothered to balance it, its either stomping mig15s and sabers or its getting dunked on by F-8s or harriers
Ugly and Su-27 in the same sentence is heresy
Funny that a gaming channel produces far better educational documentaries than military and history channels.
good video, love from China ❤. So where is our dev and new top jet😢
Gaijin pls fix your matchmaking or lower the BR of some planes bc the Spitfire MK IIb is 3.7 but can't face 4.3
The P-63A-10 is 4.0 bc 58 rounds on 37mm, the P-63A-5 is at 3.3 but in 8 from 10 matches I play at 4.0
It can face 4.3 and 4.7, the thing is that if lots of people plays and spams 5.3-5.7 aircraft the 4.3 and 4.7 aircraft will mostly find matches against 5.3 and 5.7, leaving aircraft that are ≤4.0 finding more downtier matches than uptier matches, you can feel this quite a lot when you fly near the toptier BR but with the BR of your plane being 1.3 lower than the highest BR in the game
There are a few planes that has the uptier problem
@@Bf109F-4lover yeah but that's more an issue caused by the playerbase who only plays one aircraft, mostly the most broken ones, which causes these kind of issues. Back in time some BRs were blocked (the one that comes to my mind is the 7.3 and 7.7 1-2 years ago), this caused that 7.3 aircraft could only fight against 7.3 or in downtier while 7.7 were 99.99% of the times fighting 8.7 and the rest of the time against planes between 7.7 and 8.3
Only BR changes can change this, the more an aircraft is used the higher the probability of that aircraft to go up to a higher BR will be
@@danstrous1107 oh, lol btw what rank do you have? Top Tier?
@@Bf109F-4lover not toptoptier but enough BR to fight against them, I've been playing since 2018
CAN WIE HAW THE DANA M1 CZ PLS
The J8 seems similar to the su15
The earliest J8 we have in game is J8II, which is already several generations old from the original J8. The original J8 is basically a scaled up Mig-21 to fit 2 of the Mig 21 engines. J8II is the all weather version of the original J8 by moving the engine intake from the front of the plane to sides in order to fit a larger radar.
Impressive video, love from China
Jin Jie is Alive!!
Yo gaijin please release the basement guy
Can you guys make it an option to remove the ERA on the 2S38?
Plz add jf 17 in chinese tech tree
REWORK - time fuse shells !
“Chinese” “Aircraft”, Long Road to “Perfection”
Plz put the b 36, 58, and 52 plz war thunder
The Chinese focused on the idea of CopyPaste tech trees even before Gaijin existed
Loved this. 🫡
Really stoked we got the JH-7 in War Thunder recently, and I'm hoping we'll see the J-10 added in the near future, but I'd also really love to get the J-8A. 🤞
J-7E is from the 1990s though...
Gib new J-8 with good radar missile
J8 is more like a copy of the SU-15 Flagon
gaijin pls buff the vautour IIA IDF
Chinese call Mig-17 as J-5 not J-4 ……
Look forward J-10
Reworked mig 21?
Such a long road to perfection that they are still nowhere close
Get a life
Unbased and unproletariat pilled
@@realhuman4396 _?
Can you make the t 34 worse, it is too strong
Give j10
A Pakistan Airforce tech tree should be added in China, waiting for JF-17 😅
Hello Snail HQ, I wanted to ask if you could putt WT Mobile on the Switch, because World of Tanks Blitz is also on the Switch and I don’t think you want your biggest rival to win on the Switchmarked. I know you may not reed this at the first time so I will ask you under each of your videos until you make it happen! Today is Day 43!
if I get pinned for the update coming out this December I will feed the snail 100 USD and advertise War Thunder
Gajibbles when titanfall 3
J-10 when?
I think its about time to add the J11
It’s all fun and games until they give the j11A
Perfection? That's a pretty good joke
Vietnam realising they have no aircrafts production
At least you make your own electric cars.
Help me the snail has kidnapped me to work as a server hamster😢
Keep running hamster so we can continue playing 😊
@@kwilliams3161 ok🥲
War thunder for mobile / phone ???
Make the sturmtiger available again(day 73)
iran - the home of the f-14 multiple double aces makes their own f-5s variants and tank variants please give them a look they are the worlds underdog in sanction land
Iranian F-14A as a premium for USSR with R-27's Lmao
F-16 is already in game, why no J-10A
Some would say that China is still in the 2nd stage. They still very much copy American and Russian designs
J-20 is superior to any Ruski jet
Maybe America, but not Russia, they have longed surpassed Russia. It's Russia who's going to copy Chinese designs soon 😂
yea and thats why they spend a third on military budget while competing with the US instead of spending a thousand dollars per mug
Pleas Fix PlayStation Grafik Design Settings
Dear Mr Gaijin The Snail.
I would like to ask on behalf of my self, some friends, and a small group of the war thunder community, about the Folland Gnat, could you add it kind sir?
I believe that the Folland Gnat is an amazing addition to the game, possibly as a rank 5 or 6 premium, event, or tech tree plane in the British Tech Tree.
Once again, this would be a wonderful addition to the game, and you would be very cool to add it.
This is Day 1 of asking
Kind regards,
A Based Folland Gnat Enjoyer
🗿🍷🐌
PS: For added formal effect, read this message while listening to: Luigi Boccherini, Minuetto. 🗿🍷🐌
cornball
16th this time my own highest
Hello Snail
Gaijin , please sdd the F-ck-1 IDF for China in the next update
Get a life
Your Parents are Siblings
Just because your parents are, doesn't mean other parents are siblings too
@@dmkbnin5129🤓☝️
No
The coffin of Andy and leyley reference
That’s rude
Long live people republic of china. The real superpower of world
It could be argued that China is still in the "4th stage" even now in the early 21st century; their most advanced domestic fighter designs, the J-10 Vigorous Dragon and the J-20 Mighty Dragon are clearly influenced by the designs of other nations; the J-10 bearing strong similarities to the Eurofighter Typhoon & Dassault Rafale, while the J-20 obviously tried to copy the F-22 Raptor and Su-57 Felon.
J-20 is in serial production and in service. Where's your Felon, eh?😂 In 5-10 years Kremlin would have to admit that it was a bust and they'd be buying J-20's:P
it copied the F-22 design and F-35s intakes
it is by no means similar though, not even doctrinal, is kind of an interceptor meant to cripple the fighters' capacity to fight by attacking their support aircraft and stations like refueling tankers and such
copying seems like a bit harsh as they only keep what works for them and replace and perfectionate what doesn't to catch up to the west
Who copied who? Typhoon to the Rafale or the Rafael to the Typhoon?
@@AZ-dj1ni ehhh neither?
@@AZ-dj1ni From what I understand, France opted out of the Eurofighter program and created their own delta-canard design, sort of how the US & Germany ended up with similar main battle tanks after the ill-fated MBT-70 program.
J20 when?
2028
"Chinese Aircraft" and "perfection" have never been used in a sentence together lmao
Unforunately, the game is no longer a nice and interesting tank game, and became a pain in the .... allmighty airplanes game.
its was airplanes from the start then they added US and German tanks..
@@MR250RGUY yep, but never the tanks took over to the planes in such a way it is absolutely impossible to fly. The planes and helicopters are so powerful you just appear at spawn and back to the garage. 3 times in a row. Every game i m killed at least 1 time by air, often 2 times. No aa protection, since aas are used anti tank. Much more efficient than other guns for that.
War Thunder是一款来自空战的游戏。
I'm begging you. Please just give me a Chinese Naval tree. You can even go the lazy route if you want and copy/paste for the first few tiers. It doesn't make sense China of all countries doesn't have a naval tree especially today when they're the second biggest navy in the world.
What will the ships be tho?
honestly the whole line will be copy and paste considering China's self developed botes are mostly modern
Hmm Y E S