I’ve done this using Mainstage only so I could have individual patches with the correct key for correction on each song. Then I just had my Ableton computer running tracks queuing program changes wirelessly for each Patch or “song”. Using Dante can be tricky though with Latency being your biggest block, we have up to 6 computers on our Dante networks a time so I had to switch to using a dedicated Interface connected to Mainstage for the Autotune. It works!
I recommend if you have sound enginner for more accurate pitch correction you can save presets for each song with the correct key to speed up the configs...with this you can avoid some "wrong hard tuned notes" but of course as you say...it take time anyway
@@derekrushe so why are you interested in this video if you do not like pimping the voice? Do you go without FX, taking the room reverbing as it does?
IF you don’t have extra channels, IF you don’t have a computer, IF you’re using an analog mixer, IF your sound person can’t figure it out, IF you’re traveling to different venues weekly and using their board...and you still need tuning...use something like the TC Helicon Voicetone...plug it in between the main snake XLR and your VOX mic XLR, set your parameters/sensitivity, and your good to go.
@@OffGridandOutdoors how well does this thing work. I'm looking for a solution to minor pitchiness. As far as in ear monitoring goes, is it possible to listen to the raw vocal coming out if this is plugged in? Like he said in the video, I'm not sure it would be good to here the corrected pitch in the monitors.
I use a TC Helicon voice play live on my mic. Still using floor monitors. Hearing the corrected signal in your monitor actually helps you get on pitch.
@@newwalkchurchnj9848 Love this thought. I'd go even further and say that live pitch correction IS like reverb, only significantly LESS obvious if done correctly!
@@newwalkchurchnj9848 I think there is a significant difference between reverb/delay, which are used to enhance a vocal and pitch correction software, which is used to make the wrong or partly wrong notes sound right. I never knew churches use pitch correction software. While I don't know what to think of this, it cannot be compared to the concept of using vocal effects.
@@esongsore exactly. Generational thing I reckon. To hard to sing in tune and balance vocals with your other singers? Use auto tune! This is a joke and cop out
@@frudrew1 Actually, most major churches and popular Christian music today use pitch correction extensively. It sounds natural because the settings are finely tuned. No vocalist is perfect, and there will always be moments when notes are slightly off-key. Personally, I'd prefer to hear a flawless melody rather than be distracted by off-pitch notes during praise and worship, which is exactly what we hear in today’s Christian music.
What's wrong with yall? Am I really the only one who doesn't find anything bad at enhancing a voice a bit? Come on auto tune is an amazing effect, this kinda electronic sound cannot be achieved without editing and that's not bad..
In My Opinion, I would totally have this as dry/wet channels like the way you have it. The autotune is very noticable when speaking, certain words or phrases sound modulated. For sure you wouldnt want your online viewers to hear that (only if you live stream) during service. When vocalists want to speak, mute the wet channel and turn on the dry vocal channel. when its time to sing, it would be the opposite. You could create snippets on the console to automate this for you and it would take out the steps of having to mute and unmute the channels. Great stuff Jake.
I've into Facebook groups asking how to do this and they all say that because if the delay in processing is not worth using autotune live. but this gives me hope and an idea of how to do it! is just what I needed! I can't thank you enough!!
Honestly man I can usually get behind the content you put out and I think it definitely helps to push churches forward so please don't take my comment as a blind hater. Yes autotune if done right can help correct pitch. That is its primary purpose. But its implementation seems to take a LOT of restraint to use correctly (which I think you have done pretty well here) and even then I think it can sound unnatural. Its worth noting here that you have waves set to chromatic tuning which I believe would sound more natural than if someone picked D major scale which would on paper be the right fit for King of Kings (a lot of comments about tuning to a scale). In your untuned/tuned demonstration at the end of the video, I definitely prefer the untuned version because it sounds way more natural. What I'm trying to say is that implementing autotune potentially risks the authenticity of the human voice for the sake of something that we all agree should be fundamental to a vocalist anyways (having good pitch). I know we can't be perfect singers because we're human and not robots so why try to pretend to make our voices perfect in a public worship environment?
For those running your own sound, without the luxury of a sound engineer, the best way I have found to run auto tune in real time is as follows. Create a saved preset for your desired settings in autotune such as (re-tune speed, humanize, etc.) Change your recording settings to (record automation). Then youre going to want to play your set and also hit record on your vocal channel. You can then change keys in real time for each song, turn on and off auto tune such as parts where you are talking to crowd, and also even change you re-tune speeds and settings as needed if some some require more or less tuning. This avoids you having to create multiple vocal channels and allow you to cleanly keep your channels to a minimum while having the keys for each song and settings for each song change automatically through the recorded automation. The ONLY thing that you will have to do each time you open up your session, is load your pre-saved setting, and then simply change the key and scale to what the first song should be to trigger the automation correctly when the set starts. You also will have to change the style vocal such a low male, or tenor. Everything else saves as a preset in auto tune except those two or so settings. Once you do that and hit play, the auto tune settings will change automatically to exactly how you recorded it. It’s time sensitive, but literally the most effective way to run it on your own without relying on multiple channels or a sound guy. Make sure your vocal channel has input monitoring turned on or you won’t get any vocal sound.
Great stuff Jake, thanks much for taking the time to show in very clear terms and instructions how this is set up and how it actually works in real time.
during this year, I plan to upgrade from Reason 11 intro to FULL; - meanwhile I have a big collection of vst plugins + rack extensions ...if I miraculously come into a blob of extra money then I will get this also...
Noobs like you xD love you brother, def not a noob. BUT we can all be noobs together. This helps me for tomorrow, we are introducing Graillon in Ableton for the first time. Hi from Christ The Rock in Timnath! :) Luke masterfully helped us troubleshoot our sound system upgrade!
Actually it sounds to aggressive for me and some times I can hear the „hard tuned notes“ clearly. I would definitely turn that 100% to an 60 or so😬😉 But thanks for the impressions 💪🏻 We have a DLive from Allen and heath in our church and it works well with it.
Thank you for this video. I have an important question: If I have a song that's already fully recorded and mixed, can I run the Bus channel that all of my FX are on (for my vocals), directly into the sound board and basically use the same exact vocal setup I have on my already mixed track, for live performances? (Using this same setup you have with the Dante Expansion Card of course)
Not sure if this would work too well but, if you had a gate on the raw vocals with it's key source set to the autotuned vocals then you wouldn't have to worry if ableton crashes all of your raw vocals will automatically go through. With a very low threshold and short hold+release ofc
You should've change to Waves Tune to a Major key that you were playing in with your demo at the end for us to also hear that difference. And also show how to with the built in usb interface.
balance is hard to find at the passaggio for most singers when you tune A4 to 440Hz with 12-TET. Males will often move up too much weight towards passaggio notes and hence strain a little and be a little flat to the note.. Certain females will tend to let go a little to fast on the weight towards the passaggio and will overshoot and be a little too sharp.. A single pitch standard will never fit all voices, but former European standard at 435Hz (roughly 20 cents flat =1/5 of a halfnote),, was the best standard when 5 composers and 2 physcians in France 1859 collected a multitude of different tuning forks from around the continent (Europe) and found that 435Hz was best for performing opera from different regions and periods in different vocal fachs. Hence we should decrease the modern standard back to the old standard at A4=435Hz,, we will have less need for auto-correction on vocals.
I’ve used both plugins and there is latency/delay during live vocals. Powerful 9900k PC and still have this issue. There’s no way anyone could monitor their vocals with latency. How do you get around this?
Simple. Don't feed the monitor the effected channel. Use the dry one only. You don't want to send the corrected version to your singer's monitors anyway.
Jake man, it's uncanny, but I'm running Ableton Live 10 and was just this week asking my Sweetwater Rep about Waves Tune and comparability as a VST - you literally just demo'd the setup I was considering! What kind of CPU load have you noticed when running 3 channels, and any noticable latency? I'm already pushing tracks and Midi out of Session View, and I hover around 15-20% CPU... Want to add this as well without breaking everything. Sweet idea having a redundant analogue vocal channel to fall back on in the event of a crash :). Great stuff as always.
I have Wavestune on my macbook, running it with logic pro x. How can i route this to live performance on stage the best way? Let's say i have 8 songs that i will perform and i want autotune to be in key for each song. and how do i get around latency? appreciate answers!!
Hi Jake, Do you have a round trip latency measurement for this setup? While it’s great to have this flexibility, you can create a lot of problems by adding >12ms of latency. It’s also important to mention that if you have a lot of stage volume then this won’t work very well because your vocals will be tuned with everything else going into those vocal mics too. So if I have a loud amp behind my vocal mic, the pitch correction will affect that too, making it sound like my guitar is out of tune/phase-y.
In that case I'd say think about changing your stage layout. Always best to not place vocal mics directly in front of amps, acoustic drums, anything that makes noise.
Same question for me about latency / phasis. For the loudness around, I think it's necessary to use his 2 channel technique. He's cleaning the signal whith eq/comp/gate in the first channel BEFORE sending it to vocal tune....
Interesting setup. 2 Questions: How are you interfacing the Dante (Cat6) into the MacBook? 2) What sort of round trip latency are you incurring going A/D>protools>plugins>D/A?
Tech challenged total noob here. Love to do this at our church but I don’t understand 2 simple things I need before I even consider this. (Answers a 6 year old could understand might work for me) 1. What does Dante really do for your $500? 2. Is this possible with our Mackie Dl32r?
So do you have a separate Mac dedicated to run the stream mix with plugins? Or do you run everything on this Mac to run the vocal plugin, stream mix and recording?
Hey jake - Thanks for sharing this video. We are working on setting autotune for our praise and worship teams and found this video super helpful. Question for you regarding Dante. You mentioned you would not need dante in order to have the autotune plugin in order to get get autotune applied to the vocals or this technique to work. However, will you still be able be able to send each microphone as separate tracks into protools / computer for the recording without dante? Or is dante a part of getting individual tracks from each mic recorded and with their own autotune attached to the track. I hope this makes sense. I am still learning the language to speak is technical terms. Essentially the goal it to have 3 separate vocals, each with autotune adjusting the vocals coming into the computer for recording and out to the speakers for the congregation to hear the pitch corrected vocals. thanks so much and look forward to hearing back
What I need is something going out over live feed to RUclips, which come from 2 channels that used to be for IEMs but I redid them for live feed, which comes out of the back of the board up to the balcony (crow's nest) and through our Atem mini pro and out to RUclips. I use a computer to adjust the sound separate from the auditorium. It really needs some help
This is awesome! I am a solo artist in be need of some vocal assistance, 32 channels is a bit pricey for me. Can I use a 16 track or less to save money? Thank you for all this information God bless
Even as a hobby producer, that still knows quite a lot about plugins, I really don't think you should use it seriously EVER. It's not good in subtle settings since it has sound artefacts that sound really artificial. When it comes to pitch correction, buy antares or waves. They are just the best ones out there..
Very cool! I always thought that one must have the Waves WSG card to take advantage of Waves plugin processing. Never really realized that you can use a Dante card to get the job done as well. Do you have any idea about the latency differences between these two methods? Or would you say that the Dante way is pretty much a (almost) zero latency solution as well? :)
From your videos, I’m assuming you are the WL of the same band every service? Or do you have other leaders that use the same gear? We have 5 different leaders with 2 services each Sunday. Implementing new gear is an obstacle with different generations having to deal with it. Different learning curves, etc.
I can totally hear the affect to your speaking voice. It isn’t totally distracting but is it easy necessary or easy to disengage it for speaking portions? Wish this was more plug and play but that would mean more $
Yeah, I agree especially when I'm just sitting in the studio like this talking. During worship, it's much less noticeable since we usually have music in the background and such.
If I'm running from M32 to DAW through USB, do you have tips to reduce latency? Currently it's a little too noticeable, even in the house, for it to be viable.
This was very helpful... we are looking into this now.. does this help with singers on live streaming?? We are really struggling with our vocals sounding pitchy on livestream.
You didn’t set a key on the plug in, the wave plug in, wasn’t “fixing” any of your vocals? If you’re playing and singing in C Major for example, shouldn’t you set the wave plug in to C Major? This would cause say an Eb note, that you may have sung out of pitch in the key of C to be corrected to an E natural……Chromatic settings don’t really change anything. Or am I wrong?
THANK YOU ALOT FOR THIS TUTORIAL COULD I ALSO GET THIS WORK WITH AN AUDIO INTERFACE LIKE FOCUSRITE SCARLETT IF I ONLY NEED ONE MIC AND MY PC ? I WOULD TAKE THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE available THERE
Jake, good stuff, but we don't have Dante or Ableton. Just an X32 with USB connection to an HP Laptop doing multitrack recording on Cakewalk. Is there a way to use this setup without all the middle man software?? I need to keep things super simple for my not-so-techie tech team.
Jake,.. lately i feel like this channel is going the over complicated - expensive road. I understand that you have some good equipment now, but not everyone runs digital Dante audio now. Even if i would have such setup, i would really think hard about putting some audio via a computer just for the live processing of audio, especially if it's vocal and the effect is "Autotune". I would be afraid that the computer/Ableton would just randomly crash. I suggest to just simply buy some dedicated vocal processor (which maybe even gives the singer some control over the output during performance). I have the TC Helicon Perform VG - It gets the proper key from your guitar input, is around 180 which is acceptable. Checks all the boxes in a single tighdy package that is strapped to mic stand. This is also great for smaller churches with less singers because it has harmony function + reverb + echo so you can run that just directly to a small PA and be done. Just saying :)
@@delanomoore2977 Pitch correction would generally be a manual process. Adjusting musical notes manually of an audio file to the desired pitch or note. Commonly for a vocal track, where the singer has sung some bits slightly sharp or flat. Auto tune is, as the name implies, a more automated process.
Hi, thanks so much for share your knowledge, in my church we recently buy an X32 but don't come whit a Dante, came whit X-UBS, do you can make a video in the same process whit X-usb?
Could you do a similar setting where you run the microphone into the computer, and then make an output from the computer into the mixer? or would that cause too much latency? My mixer don't support dante, so i'm looking for other ways to make this work
Does this current routing he's using mean that he cannot use the direct inputs for channels 25-32 on the board because he is feeding card 1-8 into those channels?
Jake - can/does Ableton Live on a separate computer negate the need for a WAVES server (because you're running the plug-in within Ableton Live, instead of running it on SoundGrid)? I'm trying to understand why you're using Ableton Live. Thanks!
How do you deal with delays? My Church in Nigeria does not have digital mixer. But I tried sending the Master mix to my Behringer Audio Interface, and processing to the input track and it plays back through the audio interface. But the delay is quite noticeable even after reducing my buffer size. Any advice on what you think I can do?
Im a drummer so I do not understand the whole (Chromatic, Major, Minor) scale options IN WAVES TUNE. If the song is in the key of "A", how different it would it sound if I select "Chromatic" instead of "A Major" in waves tune?
We use a X32 rack for a broadcast mixer. We use the Wing for our front of house and go out of the wing using the AES 50 outfit to go into the x30 to broadcast make sure Most of the channels are spoken for so I cannot just come back from the computer into a separate channel. How would I insert the signal coming out of the computer into channel on the X 32 much like I would insert efx signal? Or could I route it into the auxiliary input and then route the auxiliary input into the channel for mixing for the broadcast?
Hey Jake, is it possible to add these vocal tracks into an Ableton setlist with multitracks or do you think that it needs to be run on separate machines?
I did it as a test yesterday, just added our 3 vocalists into our master tracks setlist, and it worked great! We're using a 2012 Macbook Air, I only saw the CPU resource around 12% the whole time.
I didn't know Harry Kane is a musician too
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It's just too bad most viewers don't have any clue who Kane is.
Lol,
No way💀
This is side job.. 😂
I’ve done this using Mainstage only so I could have individual patches with the correct key for correction on each song. Then I just had my Ableton computer running tracks queuing program changes wirelessly for each Patch or “song”. Using Dante can be tricky though with Latency being your biggest block, we have up to 6 computers on our Dante networks a time so I had to switch to using a dedicated Interface connected to Mainstage for the Autotune. It works!
Can you advise on this?
That's the question for me, what's overall latency accumulated? Is if over 5-10ms?
Hi please make a video on tuning the vocals with midi in waves tune on FL studio and if you can monitor live while midi tuning.
I recommend if you have sound enginner for more accurate pitch correction you can save presets for each song with the correct key to speed up the configs...with this you can avoid some "wrong hard tuned notes" but of course as you say...it take time anyway
Or you just automate the Autotune key and (on/off during spoken sections) in your tracks/click/guide template.
Exactly@@FWBeck
I recommend the singer learning to sing
@@derekrushe so why are you interested in this video if you do not like pimping the voice? Do you go without FX, taking the room reverbing as it does?
@@ghkrause7805 that's not pimping, autotune, especially live takes the humanity out of the vocal.
IF you don’t have extra channels, IF you don’t have a computer, IF you’re using an analog mixer, IF your sound person can’t figure it out, IF you’re traveling to different venues weekly and using their board...and you still need tuning...use something like the TC Helicon Voicetone...plug it in between the main snake XLR and your VOX mic XLR, set your parameters/sensitivity, and your good to go.
That's what we use
@@OffGridandOutdoors how well does this thing work. I'm looking for a solution to minor pitchiness. As far as in ear monitoring goes, is it possible to listen to the raw vocal coming out if this is plugged in? Like he said in the video, I'm not sure it would be good to here the corrected pitch in the monitors.
I use a TC Helicon voice play live on my mic. Still using floor monitors. Hearing the corrected signal in your monitor actually helps you get on pitch.
I am blown away by this video. Thanks. But I am 50/50 on this. Authenticity vs excellence.
Joel Jack do you use reverb? Same thing
@@newwalkchurchnj9848 Love this thought. I'd go even further and say that live pitch correction IS like reverb, only significantly LESS obvious if done correctly!
@@newwalkchurchnj9848 I think there is a significant difference between reverb/delay, which are used to enhance a vocal and pitch correction software, which is used to make the wrong or partly wrong notes sound right. I never knew churches use pitch correction software. While I don't know what to think of this, it cannot be compared to the concept of using vocal effects.
@@esongsore exactly. Generational thing I reckon. To hard to sing in tune and balance vocals with your other singers? Use auto tune! This is a joke and cop out
@@frudrew1 Actually, most major churches and popular Christian music today use pitch correction extensively. It sounds natural because the settings are finely tuned. No vocalist is perfect, and there will always be moments when notes are slightly off-key. Personally, I'd prefer to hear a flawless melody rather than be distracted by off-pitch notes during praise and worship, which is exactly what we hear in today’s Christian music.
Great software solution. I’ve been using a Mic Mechanic as a hardware solution for a while now. Little bit of tuning makes a huge difference.
Judson Yutzy true. Such a small cost yo improve things a lot
If only I could auto-tune the congregation. JK
#micdrop turn down for what!
Well then come to South Africa and be part of a Zulu congregation!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YO THIS WAS SAVAGE😂😂😂😂😂
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What's wrong with yall? Am I really the only one who doesn't find anything bad at enhancing a voice a bit? Come on auto tune is an amazing effect, this kinda electronic sound cannot be achieved without editing and that's not bad..
In My Opinion, I would totally have this as dry/wet channels like the way you have it. The autotune is very noticable when speaking, certain words or phrases sound modulated. For sure you wouldnt want your online viewers to hear that (only if you live stream) during service. When vocalists want to speak, mute the wet channel and turn on the dry vocal channel. when its time to sing, it would be the opposite. You could create snippets on the console to automate this for you and it would take out the steps of having to mute and unmute the channels. Great stuff Jake.
Or just setup a midi controller to bypass the plugin- then the performer can do it
Hey, greetings from Cuba! Finally somebody talks about this process on live performance...excellent video!!! Saludos
I've into Facebook groups asking how to do this and they all say that because if the delay in processing is not worth using autotune live. but this gives me hope and an idea of how to do it! is just what I needed!
I can't thank you enough!!
Yeah there some latency but with this setup, it's not enough latency to keep you from doing it successfully.
@@Churchfront as long as is not noticeable to the congregation, that's all that matters. Thanks & God bless you! 🙏🏻
Honestly man I can usually get behind the content you put out and I think it definitely helps to push churches forward so please don't take my comment as a blind hater. Yes autotune if done right can help correct pitch. That is its primary purpose. But its implementation seems to take a LOT of restraint to use correctly (which I think you have done pretty well here) and even then I think it can sound unnatural. Its worth noting here that you have waves set to chromatic tuning which I believe would sound more natural than if someone picked D major scale which would on paper be the right fit for King of Kings (a lot of comments about tuning to a scale). In your untuned/tuned demonstration at the end of the video, I definitely prefer the untuned version because it sounds way more natural. What I'm trying to say is that implementing autotune potentially risks the authenticity of the human voice for the sake of something that we all agree should be fundamental to a vocalist anyways (having good pitch). I know we can't be perfect singers because we're human and not robots so why try to pretend to make our voices perfect in a public worship environment?
For those running your own sound, without the luxury of a sound engineer, the best way I have found to run auto tune in real time is as follows. Create a saved preset for your desired settings in autotune such as (re-tune speed, humanize, etc.) Change your recording settings to (record automation). Then youre going to want to play your set and also hit record on your vocal channel. You can then change keys in real time for each song, turn on and off auto tune such as parts where you are talking to crowd, and also even change you re-tune speeds and settings as needed if some some require more or less tuning. This avoids you having to create multiple vocal channels and allow you to cleanly keep your channels to a minimum while having the keys for each song and settings for each song change automatically through the recorded automation. The ONLY thing that you will have to do each time you open up your session, is load your pre-saved setting, and then simply change the key and scale to what the first song should be to trigger the automation correctly when the set starts. You also will have to change the style vocal such a low male, or tenor. Everything else saves as a preset in auto tune except those two or so settings. Once you do that and hit play, the auto tune settings will change automatically to exactly how you recorded it. It’s time sensitive, but literally the most effective way to run it on your own without relying on multiple channels or a sound guy. Make sure your vocal channel has input monitoring turned on or you won’t get any vocal sound.
Great stuff Jake, thanks much for taking the time to show in very clear terms and instructions how this is set up and how it actually works in real time.
Great video! Thanks for keeping the church “in the loop” when it comes to live sound tech!
Hey Jake what about latency from the Dante to ableton and back how do you compensate that?
Following just in case he answers.
during this year, I plan to upgrade from Reason 11 intro to FULL; - meanwhile I have a big collection of vst plugins + rack extensions ...if I miraculously come into a blob of extra money then I will get this also...
Thanks man!! Gotta convince my leaders we need this, haha! Already got a X32 desk.
2:07 watch at 1.5X speed. 🎼🎶🎵🎤😆
You're welcome.
Hahahaha I went on to the drummer sounding like a machine gun
Noobs like you xD love you brother, def not a noob. BUT we can all be noobs together. This helps me for tomorrow, we are introducing Graillon in Ableton for the first time. Hi from Christ The Rock in Timnath! :) Luke masterfully helped us troubleshoot our sound system upgrade!
Actually it sounds to aggressive for me and some times I can hear the „hard tuned notes“ clearly. I would definitely turn that 100% to an 60 or so😬😉
But thanks for the impressions 💪🏻 We have a DLive from Allen and heath in our church and it works well with it.
Thank you for this video. I have an important question:
If I have a song that's already fully recorded and mixed, can I run the Bus channel that all of my FX are on (for my vocals), directly into the sound board and basically use the same exact vocal setup I have on my already mixed track, for live performances? (Using this same setup you have with the Dante Expansion Card of course)
thanks bro, i learned so much from you, now my church have grow so much in tech. thanks a lot.
I was literally just trying to figure this out last night.
So was I, just in time :)
PRAISE GOD.
Not sure if this would work too well but, if you had a gate on the raw vocals with it's key source set to the autotuned vocals then you wouldn't have to worry if ableton crashes all of your raw vocals will automatically go through. With a very low threshold and short hold+release ofc
hey man thanks so mutch for this video this really helped me out at my own church exactly what a wanted tips on ...
You should've change to Waves Tune to a Major key that you were playing in with your demo at the end for us to also hear that difference. And also show how to with the built in usb interface.
Thank you sir for the video..routing part helps me alot.. God bless you
What about latency!? Doesn't that come into play with all the back-and-forth and processing, etc.? Doesn't seem it would work so well live?
Zachary Galyen always think about thé latency bro !! Please if you figure out by now ! Help
Lower the sample rate until it’s back on time :D
@@alexanderisaac6520 No don't lower the sample rate, lower the buffer size.
balance is hard to find at the passaggio for most singers when you tune A4 to 440Hz with 12-TET. Males will often move up too much weight towards passaggio notes and hence strain a little and be a little flat to the note.. Certain females will tend to let go a little to fast on the weight towards the passaggio and will overshoot and be a little too sharp.. A single pitch standard will never fit all voices, but former European standard at 435Hz (roughly 20 cents flat =1/5 of a halfnote),, was the best standard when 5 composers and 2 physcians in France 1859 collected a multitude of different tuning forks from around the continent (Europe) and found that 435Hz was best for performing opera from different regions and periods in different vocal fachs. Hence we should decrease the modern standard back to the old standard at A4=435Hz,, we will have less need for auto-correction on vocals.
Oh wow, very interesting!
You could automate per each track so you tune to the songs key
I'm just looking for something that will me sound better live. Don't think this will help me. But you're awesome.
I’ve used both plugins and there is latency/delay during live vocals. Powerful 9900k PC and still have this issue. There’s no way anyone could monitor their vocals with latency. How do you get around this?
Use a Mac
Simple. Don't feed the monitor the effected channel. Use the dry one only. You don't want to send the corrected version to your singer's monitors anyway.
Jake man, it's uncanny, but I'm running Ableton Live 10 and was just this week asking my Sweetwater Rep about Waves Tune and comparability as a VST - you literally just demo'd the setup I was considering! What kind of CPU load have you noticed when running 3 channels, and any noticable latency? I'm already pushing tracks and Midi out of Session View, and I hover around 15-20% CPU... Want to add this as well without breaking everything. Sweet idea having a redundant analogue vocal channel to fall back on in the event of a crash :). Great stuff as always.
Excellent. Thanks. Could you do a similar video for setting up a stereo IEM mix on the X32 please?
At 4:00, when he said “so now…” the “now” sounded like it was on 0 retune speed 😂
GOD BLESS YOURE ALL
I have Wavestune on my macbook, running it with logic pro x. How can i route this to live performance on stage the best way? Let's say i have 8 songs that i will perform and i want autotune to be in key for each song. and how do i get around latency? appreciate answers!!
What the latency that comes realtime fx when run through computer
Hi Jake,
Do you have a round trip latency measurement for this setup? While it’s great to have this flexibility, you can create a lot of problems by adding >12ms of latency. It’s also important to mention that if you have a lot of stage volume then this won’t work very well because your vocals will be tuned with everything else going into those vocal mics too. So if I have a loud amp behind my vocal mic, the pitch correction will affect that too, making it sound like my guitar is out of tune/phase-y.
In that case I'd say think about changing your stage layout. Always best to not place vocal mics directly in front of amps, acoustic drums, anything that makes noise.
Same question for me about latency / phasis. For the loudness around, I think it's necessary to use his 2 channel technique. He's cleaning the signal whith eq/comp/gate in the first channel BEFORE sending it to vocal tune....
Interesting setup. 2 Questions: How are you interfacing the Dante (Cat6) into the MacBook? 2) What sort of round trip latency are you incurring going A/D>protools>plugins>D/A?
I am wondering the same thing. Is it discernible?
Tech challenged total noob here. Love to do this at our church but I don’t understand 2 simple things I need before I even consider this. (Answers a 6 year old could understand might work for me) 1. What does Dante really do for your $500? 2. Is this possible with our Mackie Dl32r?
So do you have a separate Mac dedicated to run the stream mix with plugins? Or do you run everything on this Mac to run the vocal plugin, stream mix and recording?
Can i use Focusrite 2i4 if i dont have a digital mixer ?
What a great and helpful video, thanks man!
Wouldn’t there be some latency since ur running it through a daw with plug-ins?
Yes and no, there is always latency when working with audio, it depends if it is noticeable.
Hi, I use backing tracks for a solo vocal gig... so all I need is a good vocal... can you advise me how I can do this? Thanks so much
Hey jake - Thanks for sharing this video. We are working on setting autotune for our praise and worship teams and found this video super helpful. Question for you regarding Dante. You mentioned you would not need dante in order to have the autotune plugin in order to get get autotune applied to the vocals or this technique to work. However, will you still be able be able to send each microphone as separate tracks into protools / computer for the recording without dante? Or is dante a part of getting individual tracks from each mic recorded and with their own autotune attached to the track. I hope this makes sense. I am still learning the language to speak is technical terms. Essentially the goal it to have 3 separate vocals, each with autotune adjusting the vocals coming into the computer for recording and out to the speakers for the congregation to hear the pitch corrected vocals. thanks so much and look forward to hearing back
What I need is something going out over live feed to RUclips, which come from 2 channels that used to be for IEMs but I redid them for live feed, which comes out of the back of the board up to the balcony (crow's nest) and through our Atem mini pro and out to RUclips. I use a computer to adjust the sound separate from the auditorium. It really needs some help
This is awesome!
I am a solo artist in be need of some vocal assistance,
32 channels is a bit pricey for me. Can I use a 16 track or less to save money?
Thank you for all this information
God bless
Can this be done with analog mixers?
There is a free option called MAuto Pitch too! :)
A good plugin. Works well on female vocals. I’ve not liked it’s effect on male vocals; it seems to not be as suited to lower notes.
Even as a hobby producer, that still knows quite a lot about plugins, I really don't think you should use it seriously EVER. It's not good in subtle settings since it has sound artefacts that sound really artificial. When it comes to pitch correction, buy antares or waves. They are just the best ones out there..
Hi ! Your video is so helpful ☺️ l am trying out the Waves with a Focusrite Scarlett and there is a lot of latency, any clue about how to reduce it?
The trap improv is what got me laughin
Very cool! I always thought that one must have the Waves WSG card to take advantage of Waves plugin processing. Never really realized that you can use a Dante card to get the job done as well. Do you have any idea about the latency differences between these two methods? Or would you say that the Dante way is pretty much a (almost) zero latency solution as well? :)
@churchfront great video. I'm just confused... why it you're showing both ableton and then protocols as well?
Hey I use waves tune too. Really great plugin for the price.
Hi please make a video on tuning the vocals with midi in waves tune on FL studio and if you can monitor live while midi tuning.
No Jake... but i want it to manipulate the effects in live performance, how?...is this the right video?
I need auto tune every time I try to sing lol
You guys should add a SoundGrid server to your setup
I really wanted to do that for our setup. But really expensjve
this is a great help...can i request another type of plug-in like for an example in drums channel..thanks..
Travis Scott being a worship leader: 2:08
From your videos, I’m assuming you are the WL of the same band every service?
Or do you have other leaders that use the same gear?
We have 5 different leaders with 2 services each Sunday.
Implementing new gear is an obstacle with different generations having to deal with it.
Different learning curves, etc.
I can totally hear the affect to your speaking voice. It isn’t totally distracting but is it easy necessary or easy to disengage it for speaking portions? Wish this was more plug and play but that would mean more $
Yeah, I agree especially when I'm just sitting in the studio like this talking. During worship, it's much less noticeable since we usually have music in the background and such.
If I'm running from M32 to DAW through USB, do you have tips to reduce latency? Currently it's a little too noticeable, even in the house, for it to be viable.
This was awesome! What’s the smallest board the this would work like for a solo performer that doesn’t need 32 channels?
This was very helpful... we are looking into this now.. does this help with singers on live streaming?? We are really struggling with our vocals sounding pitchy on livestream.
You didn’t set a key on the plug in, the wave plug in, wasn’t “fixing” any of your vocals? If you’re playing and singing in C Major for example, shouldn’t you set the wave plug in to C Major? This would cause say an Eb note, that you may have sung out of pitch in the key of C to be corrected to an E natural……Chromatic settings don’t really change anything. Or am I wrong?
If i can only auto tune the sermon... I guess the sermon's tge one tuning our hearts😂
THANK YOU ALOT FOR THIS TUTORIAL COULD I ALSO GET THIS WORK WITH AN AUDIO INTERFACE LIKE FOCUSRITE SCARLETT IF I ONLY NEED ONE MIC AND MY PC ?
I WOULD TAKE THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE available THERE
Do you have any issues with it trying to tune bleed?
would this work with Studio One 4? I guess this is the DAW my church uses
Clear and concise video. Nice job, thank you
Hi please make a video on tuning the vocals with midi in waves tune on FL studio and if you can monitor live while midi tuning.
Jake, good stuff, but we don't have Dante or Ableton. Just an X32 with USB connection to an HP Laptop doing multitrack recording on Cakewalk. Is there a way to use this setup without all the middle man software?? I need to keep things super simple for my not-so-techie tech team.
Are you able to do a tutorial without the Dante setup and how it will work with protools or Ableton?
Whelp, you got a subscriber! Can't wait to see whatcha got to show!
Can you link the hardware you use to get the signal from the board to Dante? Just an Ethernet router or is it a special piece of equipment
Or is it run straight from the back of the board to the Mac?
Thank you so so much for this detailed explanation!
Such a quality vid my dude
Do I need a digital mixer or would an analogue be able to process this without latency issues?
Jake,.. lately i feel like this channel is going the over complicated - expensive road. I understand that you have some good equipment now, but not everyone runs digital Dante audio now. Even if i would have such setup, i would really think hard about putting some audio via a computer just for the live processing of audio, especially if it's vocal and the effect is "Autotune". I would be afraid that the computer/Ableton would just randomly crash. I suggest to just simply buy some dedicated vocal processor (which maybe even gives the singer some control over the output during performance). I have the TC Helicon Perform VG - It gets the proper key from your guitar input, is around 180 which is acceptable. Checks all the boxes in a single tighdy package that is strapped to mic stand. This is also great for smaller churches with less singers because it has harmony function + reverb + echo so you can run that just directly to a small PA and be done. Just saying :)
Have you tried this with Cuckoo's Reaper? I'm sure there's an even lower budget way to do this... With exception of Waves plugin cost...
Pitch correction is a nice tool when writing. I think auto tune on the other hand, is different.
Paul Isbell aren’t they the same thing?
@@delanomoore2977 Pitch correction would generally be a manual process. Adjusting musical notes manually of an audio file to the desired pitch or note. Commonly for a vocal track, where the singer has sung some bits slightly sharp or flat. Auto tune is, as the name implies, a more automated process.
Paul Isbell ah so like melodyne compared to auto tune?
Delano Moore essentially yes.
@@PaulIsbell it's literally the same thing
Hi, thanks so much for share your knowledge, in my church we recently buy an X32 but don't come whit a Dante, came whit X-UBS, do you can make a video in the same process whit X-usb?
Could you do a similar setting where you run the microphone into the computer, and then make an output from the computer into the mixer? or would that cause too much latency? My mixer don't support dante, so i'm looking for other ways to make this work
Possibly, but other audio interfaces may introduce a lot more latency than Dante. In theory there is no reason this wouldn't work though! :)
Just started using this and wow!
How do you slove latency issues with the vocals?
Does this current routing he's using mean that he cannot use the direct inputs for channels 25-32 on the board because he is feeding card 1-8 into those channels?
Jake - can/does Ableton Live on a separate computer negate the need for a WAVES server (because you're running the plug-in within Ableton Live, instead of running it on SoundGrid)? I'm trying to understand why you're using Ableton Live. Thanks!
@churchfront with Jake Gosselin, do you guys just leave waves RT on chromatic?, or set midi cues for each song to change the Key?
This is the same question I have, at the same time what if the singer is speaking?
How do you deal with delays? My Church in Nigeria does not have digital mixer. But I tried sending the Master mix to my Behringer Audio Interface, and processing to the input track and it plays back through the audio interface. But the delay is quite noticeable even after reducing my buffer size. Any advice on what you think I can do?
Im a drummer so I do not understand the whole (Chromatic, Major, Minor) scale options IN WAVES TUNE.
If the song is in the key of "A", how different it would it sound if I select "Chromatic" instead of "A Major" in waves tune?
Why do you need to use ableton, can you not just run straight into protools and use the waves Tune plugin ?
We use a X32 rack for a broadcast mixer.
We use the Wing for our front of house and go out of the wing using the AES 50 outfit to go into the x30 to broadcast make sure
Most of the channels are spoken for so I cannot just come back from the computer into a separate channel.
How would I insert the signal coming out of the computer into channel on the X 32 much like I would insert efx signal?
Or could I route it into the auxiliary input and then route the auxiliary input into the channel for mixing for the broadcast?
So you're saying we don't
need Waves Soundgrid software and expensive equipment?
Hey Jake, is it possible to add these vocal tracks into an Ableton setlist with multitracks or do you think that it needs to be run on separate machines?
I did it as a test yesterday, just added our 3 vocalists into our master tracks setlist, and it worked great! We're using a 2012 Macbook Air, I only saw the CPU resource around 12% the whole time.
Please whe need video like this , whe need how to use analog mixer with DAW Please make a video for us
Is this only allowed to be used in places of worship?