I was a friends with Paige, our kids played together. I attended a dozen of her Pampered Chef Parties. I know everything about this case: I was at the candle light vigil, searched the desert (including Wells Gulch Road), sat through the entire trial, kept in touch with her parents. I was listening for inconsistencies, but the narrator pretty much nailed it. Bravo.
I'm so sorry you had to go through this but also, Paige would be truly proud and thankful that you helped. Do you know how her family are, especially her kids ? Xx
I am sorry for the loss of your friend. :( May I ask: were you aware of her escort service occupation or was that super hush hush not even friends knew? I realize that's a personal question, I just wonder if it might have been related to the fact she just simply never let anyone know about her "other life" which can of course be very dangerous.
“It occurred to me I haven’t cried in a long time. I’ve learned to do that again.” Absolutely BROKE my heart. That poor man, I can’t imagine the pain he felt.
And yet it happens with such cruel regularity. My grandparents, my uncle, my friends, and the parents of so many of my late friends & acquaintances- they all had to attend their own children's funerals. It really seems unfair that I've survived. And I don't want to have children because they might be taken just as quickly & inexplicably. It's fucked up right?
im always so surprised when the reason for divorce is something like one of them not wanting kids or wanting to live somewhere else. i mean these are basic things you HAVE to discuss before actually thinking of actually marrying someone
They were high school sweethearts, probably had more pressing things to discuss. But it is a lesson that should be taught in sex ed "If you can't agree on something as simple as children, your relationship will not work"
OK seriously though, our labrador passed away of cancer last year and after she was diagnosed, we realised that our GSD had been insistently sniffing the lab exactly where the tumours were (by the time we found out, half her abdomen) for months. She probably knew something was wrong way before we did. I'm sorry girl, I'll listen to you sooner in future, thank you for trying to tell me.
Lord Mysticlaw What a sad sweet story. This is why dogs are such good service dogs. They can sense oncoming illness & mood swings too. About your Lab...Don’t “should” on yourself. You loved & cared for your pup the best you could & that’s what’s important - the happy 💕 memories.
@@ice9594 Yep, dogs are the best service dogs. I tried a guinea pig once as a service dog. It got the dog part pretty well though but had problems with the service part.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 how in the world are speaking softly while leaning in and fighting someone at McDonald's related? What mental gymnastics did you have to do to make that comparison and actually think it made sense
I am so here for that detective, her tone and manner with him were 👌🏼 even down to the fact he initially corrected her from Les to Lester and from that point on she called him Les every other sentence…
This is the perfect style to tell true crime stories for people who want to hear about them at night without being creeped out by sketchy music and robotic/monotone narration.
Honestly, I like this style because it's so unique. I like the "morbid" ones too, but this is refreshing. His sarcasm isn't focused on the victims, but on the gall and stupidity of the murderer.
“…And Pages story was in the news less and less, her case becoming colder and colder while her bones remained under a colorodan sky.” I watch pretty much nothing but true crime now days and very few things get to me But every once in a while a creator is able to convey in very simple words the humanity that was lost and for some reason This was it, these words are what hit me. Not much can bring that out in me anymore, I’m honestly very desensitized when im watching these videos (not so much in real life because I compartmentalize) but that caught me off guard Ouch, my heartie
@@LePreuxBuisson yeah brother. Sometimes it's hard to fight the fight to simply function or have the energy to take a shower. I found that forcing strenuous activity and exercise helps a great deal if you can find the gumption to begin.
To me, that would be evidence he didn't do it because who the hell is that stupid? If this guy killed her then he did everything else right and pulled off the perfect murder, but for some reason made the dumbest mistake of all? Maybe his ex wife framed him?
He got me, I was barking, and I still am. I'm sure he did it, but that's still some flimsy ass evidence. The only thing that changed after 5 years was they found her remains ... which still had nothing to tie him to it than what they already had, other than what an ex wife said years ago. Oh he'd dump her remains in a remote location? Where else would a murderer dump remains? Had he told his ex he'd suffocate her with a pink polka dot pillow case, wrap her body in orange nylon cord, encase her body in lucite, and sign his initials, and then they found Paige like that, then maybe he'd look guilty, or maybe his ex did it to frame him hmmmmmmmm.
Totally agree. Mike has a way of telling the stories. No one does it like him. He keeps to the point and doesn’t drag it out and when he says “let’s give it a go” you are hooked!
Yeah I giggled pretty crazily at that line! Just went from the leaning back, asking questions fairly intensely, to the lean forward and almost threatening him:-)
@Cynthia Murphy Even if she can't get things out of him, which she totally did! His observed reactions to the female detective can give them a ton of info just by themselves
She actually lived in Atlanta when she was young. My sister was friends with her when they were little. Very sad how her story unfolded. Her family loved her very much.
@BasedLeaf Games It was probably one of her 'regulars' who finally discovered what $1000 per hour prostitutes _actually_ look like. Nasty dangerous business!
That Chapter has honestly become so familiar to me, that it's kind of a comfort, similar to what The Office was before it was taken off american Netflix. Ita like, you've seen most, but there are some gems you miss once in a while. And there are so many that you can just cycle through and kinda forget ones you havent seen in a while so it's almost like this brand new thing😂
There's something SO WRONG that we find our respite in a Brutal crimes show :) But Mike is just funny as heck and enjoyable to watch and to be fair, it's the RARE show that really hits me hard. It's a detached view of people we don't know. No worse than reading crime in the newspapers. But when it involves kids or other defenseless groups, then it gets tough to just let it slide off. But for the most part, Mike is like a teddy bear you hold when you go to bed. And i'm a 54 year old guy :)
I appreciate out police, we absolutely need them. They can detain you without arresting you so you can't really be on your way even if your not actually under arrest.
@Paul Hatz Cops don't have to read miranda rights anymore. They forgot so much and had to let so many people go over it that the govt passed a law about it.
@@agirlisnoone5953 not true, if you are not under arrest they cannot detain you, if they get pushy just keep demanding a lawyer, if they ignore that you're laughing because as soon as it gets to trial you can have it all thrown out for ignoring your Miranda Rights.
"Her friends must have loved her for that one". Thank you for speaking on behalf of all of us with friends in multi level marketing, Mike. Love your channel!
I love your content, Mike. Every other channel that reviews cases solved or cold, will always have this obnoxious "scary ambience" playing in the background. Personally, the choice to have things more serious, less scary, and sometimes oddly upbeat makes your videos stand out as something truly special. I respect you.
For what lol? She got absolutely nothing out of him. The dude went home and lived his life for another 5 years. And then he was still convicted on pure shite.
I gotta be honest, I'm surprised Lester didn't start laughing. That was pure cringe. She made it too obvious that she was bluffing. And he already knew she didn't have anything because even at trial they still had nothing. Because there was nothing lol. A public defender won the first case and got a mistrial lol. A public defender!! That's barely better than representing yourself.
I just wanted to thank you Mike, for being so repspectful when talking about sex workers. So many true crime channels use a particular disapproving tone, or include negative stigma when discussing that a victim was a sex worker, and its so refrshing that you don't. Much love from this SW!
She was doing what she needed... i camt even imagine having a $6,000 mortgage on top of everything else. Crazy amount.. but regardless even if her rent was 20$ nobody should judge.
@NattyB Well, we all have to make choices in live. If you can't afford the material things you have in life, then there's at least 2 choices you can make. If a man was in a similar situation and he wanted to make 400K, he'd probably had to resort to some shady stuff as well. Not sure how respectable they would portray him if that led to his death...
I hate it when they say "The seat was pulled back, indicating someone taller drove the car". I'm 5'6 and I always pull the seat all the way back before leaving my car.
Well it's a good tip for would-be murderers. I'm tall, so if I ever murder a short person, I'm going to move the seat up after I'm done. Then wait for my OJ moment. If the seat don't fit, you must acquit.
My mom does this and she's under 5'. Makes it easier for her to get out and in case someone else drives it next. In this case, obviously someone who meant her harm did drive it but other cases are not so clear cut. Hell, a criminal may even push the seat back to mislead investigators.
She did that on purpose, just to screw with him. My best friend is named Les & gets really pissed when anyone calls him Lester. But then again, he’s a psychiatrist at a State Hospital that houses sexually violent predators, and Cho- mo’s are usually called Chester the molester. Which unfortunately sounds a lot like Lester.
I think the others are correct regarding it's a tactic. But I don't think it's to screw with him. Les is a pretty common nickname for people named Lester, if im not mistaken. Most probably his mother and father did refer to him as Les, hence "Les" carries emotional value to him. It was a way to try to get on his good side. "Les.. Dont even say that to me, I don't wanna hear it".. That is how you talk to a child you caught lying, and I think that is what she is trying to do.
It's funny because that's what I have always thought. I cannot believe the number of people I have known that have never discussed this before marriage! It is mind boggling. One of the most basic things. It's as if they gave no thought or talked about their hopes ands goals if life! (Cause for me that would have come up)
Sometimes it doesn't matter even if you do. I was very clear with my spouse before marriage that while I think kids are great, I did not want any of my own. He told me he never wanted kids either. Months into the marriage he said he'd changed his mind because he loved me so much he wanted a family with me. But he's also hinted that he always wanted kids, and only said otherwise because he wanted to marry me and was hoping I'd change my mind.
Finally someone else mentions it. I was like, WTF? Makes you wonder what the divorce rate is with high school sweethearts. Can't be good lol. You're not even the same person you were in high school by the time you're 25.
You should definitely discuss children before marriage,but they also married right after high school. It’s not uncommon for 18/19 year olds to feel very differently about wanting children in their mid 20s/30s then they did as teens.
What would be worse is finding out they don't want kids after you have kids. She did the right thing finding a different partner instead of taking it upon herself to bring a child/children into the first marriage. Definitely a conversation that needs to be had, ideally before getting married. BOTH partners should be on board BEFORE anyone gets pregnant. Birth control is so incredible now, it lends itself wonderfully to family planning.
Brilliant interrogation from the start! Bumble the name and he gets comfortable with your "lack" of information off the bat. Call him Les after he corrects you... comfort and frustration short circuits his thought process. The press hard and he shut's down. Got'em.
A silent, empty expanse... A steady rolling sound that increases until it becomes audible footsteps; in full stride at an incredible speed. As it approaches, you here someone in the distance: .....gggggggoooooOOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!!! 'EMMMMM!!!!!!!!!
@@sosmooth13 I completely agree with that, but there's a certain dynamic between genders where the woman feels she has to act way more extra just to validate herself as the authority in the interrogation
I completly agree with you. 6k/month is comeltly INSANE... IMO even on 2 persons. Get a smaller apt, stay out of escort shit.. I can only talk for my self.. but that sorts of things are total dealbreakers for me.
@@hbgkev Speak that shyt Kevin.God knows if she had let pride go....she'd STILL be her to raise her babies.And who knows,she seems like a hard worker.I believe she'd have gotten back on top again!!!!😎🤙🏾😎🤙🏾
I Love this detective. Two words would scare me to death. And she got close to his face when she said, IT SHOULD. Thank you Mike. I've been binging your videos. Lots down Lots to go.
“And they even went on a date on Thursday, June 28, 2007.” OK SIR, your tone is deceptively casual and conversational, but when ya start dropping exact dates and times I know some shit’s about to go down.
12:38 In case you're wondering, that 'getting the name wrong' thing is a standard police technique. It's supposed to put the suspect at ease and make them think the interview's going to be easy.
Dustin’s police interview is like watching someone steal candy from a baby. “I don’t like lawyers,” he tells the cop interviewing him. Looool. TCAP rules.
@Hydra is any escort an open life, especially for someone with children? Maybe if there were more options for financially stable work for single parents or some laws which protect sex workers instead of criminalizing it, there would be less available victims from those with violent criminal intent.
@@kasey7338 there are laws. It's called you go to jail for assault and murder 🤦🏻♀️ if she wanted this so bad then maybe move to Nevada. You are acting like we have a society that doesn't frown on crime. Come on. Dumb.
Karen is right and some of yall are just victim blaming assholes. "Society already looks down on the mistreatment of sex workers, now excuse me while I prove my point wrong and blame the sex worker."
She's ignoring jurisprudence... why not ignore his right to respect in the court. The court ignored professionalism, social customs, unbiased fight for justice, and oath of office. It's typical behavior of a DA when they have no real evidence, and therefore need to manipulate the jury's perception of the defendants guilt. When evidence is scarce, dramatics and misrepresentation of the truth will suffice. Another disrespectful, self-entitled, self-righteous, authority figure shamelessly exhibiting abuse of power. Another agent of the gov't with a power trip.
And I'm not implying that the guy is innocent, I'm unequivocally stating that the charges against him were not proven... at all... and certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt.
I was anxious for over half of this video before I realized he wasn't going to include it. Definitely one of the saddest things I've ever heard, and irrelevant to the case honestly. Of course they missed her, and wanted her home. She was a good mom. Mike is a better man in my eyes for leaving it out.
This one is a great story, just for the interview tapes. That detective lass, when she says "It should" was just amazing. I thought she was going to headbutt him the first time I saw that tape. Legend.
It’s not how it works in courts, but cops don’t have to follow that same rule. They can lie and try to goad who they’re interrogating in to talking to say something accidentally incriminating. She was hoping he would be rattled enough to make up some lie.
@@jonpray5509 In this case it seems that's how it worked in court too. If the video is an accurate representation of the case they had nowhere near enough evidence to warrant a guilty verdict. If the best evidence the prosecution has is essentially "he might have done it and we can't think of anyone else", that should be enough to cause reasonable doubt.
I can not in my wildest imagination see why he should be convicted. I'm not saying it was not him, but they have no proof what so ever. How can one be judged without any hard evidence?
The timeline, his lack of a reasonable alibi, the use of a burner phone just to call her and her scales in his workshop - while indirect, are pretty damning. Add in his fairly serious criminal record of violence against women and it's medium strong evidence. No murder weapon, DNA, nothing linking him to the car fire besides proximity definitely makes the case weak though
@@blahblahblahblah2837 you’re right. I think he may have done it but the fact that no one can say 100% it was him bothers me just a little bit. Especially when you see cases like this and a person spends 20 years in jail only for them to find the real killer later.
@@Chuck_Deuces true! And it's normally some sex offender in a county 20 miles away, where 3 women have been mysteriously murdered in the past 3 years that they didn't even consider a suspect of any crimes at all!
... life in prison for probable cause. But the jury found him guilty without a reasonable doubt. Like, dont get me wrong, i think he did it but, theres no real evidence, not even a confession yet was sentenced with life.. it just doesnt sit right with me.
That's what the Justice system has become. Any justice. Any at all. People forget that justice is there to put the victims family at peace. If you're not at peace, they're probably not either. The justice system does the victims families a disservice when they prosecute based on feelings > evidence. But then again... that seems to be the way for a lot of things dun it?
Thank you. I was just going to write a long post about this. Your average every day American doesn’t know shit about the justice system, they watch CSI and think they’re experts. The prosecutors shit the bed on this one and relied on the stupidity of the jury. They didn’t meet the burden of proof, couldn’t place him at the scene of the crime, no forensic evidence to support he committed the crime, no crime scene, no murder weapon, no motive. Just some bunk ass circumstantial evidence. I agree I think he did it too, but I don’t know for absolute fact he did. If I was a juror I could not convict that man with such a weak case against him. And if anyone’s to blame it’d be the prosecution for pushing such a weak case. God people are dumb.
Mike your the coolest. Really like your postings. Better than watching 4 hours of an interrogation and ends like a movie you wished would have ended differently. But I think you do a great job.
(MLM 'party' at Paige's house) Attendee: "What can I offer my potential customers?" Paige: "Well, there is the overpriced merchandise in this catalog." Attendee: "What if they don't want any of it??" Paige: "How comfortable are you with becoming an escort??"
@Jeffrey Dohnger , everyone should be allergic to fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Surely they have at least 10,000 calories. Probably why Elvis was constipated. I've never had one. I think I'll keep avoiding them.
I hate how the fact that she's an escort is all everyone says after they find out. She was a mother of three with a crappy baby daddy and bills to pay, she worked hard at many different things before she reached the point of becoming an escort and it shouldn't be what defines her. Hell if I wrote the text for the news, the headline would be "Hardworking mother of three murdered by abusive psychopath", that seems really more fitting.
I thought the same exact thing! Being escort does not define someone. Life can get really hard and people find their selves in desperate situations. Thanks for pointing that out!
Not that it defines her, and she shouldn’t have have been murdered. But she definitely set her self up for something like this to happen. You’re not meeting the best kind of individuals who’re willing to pay for sex. The guy who murdered is a piece of filth. But she definitely could have practiced better common sense, especially with three children at home. Could’ve downgraded her lifestyle and maybe she’d still be here.
I'm not seeing the case here. There is no direct evidence that he did anything. He might have. But a million other people might have. Thats called "reasonable doubt."
Once they find a body, circumstantial cases happen all the time. He’ll get life without parole. The dog, the burning car next to his work, he was a customer, no alibi the night of, wife out of town, he had items of her MLM in his house, wife admits he stepped out the night the car was torched. I’m not saying its 100%, but its 99.9%. You CANT leave a body behind. They are harder to get rid of then people think. Best not to kill anyone. Best not to get $1000 hookers when you’re a married mechanic.
I keep waiting for Tuesday and Friday every week just to see what's new from Mike! I've watched all his videos and still binge watch old ones whenever I'm waiting for a new one.
15:38 _”Are your saying that I killed her? Is that what you’re telling me?”_ Investigator: Yes *suspect physically nods affirmative to statement* _”I did not.”_
Michael James - Some people say body language means nothing but of course it does! Also, if I was accused of a murder I didn't commit, I wouldn't be sitting back all blase about the whole thing...he acts like this is no big deal...geesh!
@@isabellind1292 there have been studies into this and body language actually means far less than everybody seems to think it does. It's really a case by case basis. Not every human being has a cookie cutter brain, and thus, two humans can react completely oppositely when presented with the same situation. Similarly, mannerisms and other body language varies from person to person. You can never truly know what someone's body language means unless you know that person quite well. In other words, you wouldn't be able to tell if someone was lying to you or not with absolute certainty on your first meeting. It's ridiculous to assume you could, but media and shows like "Lie to me" and even police training tells you that you can read minds just by watching someone's eyes or... the way they nod!
@@J_Lynn I understand what you're saying. I wouldn't base someone's guilt by the way they nod their head but this man's entire demeanor despite the serious allegations levelled against him spoke volumes to me. And speaking in general about body language, there are times where I believe it says a lot about a person as in the case when someone is trying to project they're crying when there's not one single tear. That is a dead giveaway they are being deceitful.
@erik iverson Hardly could it be used as evidence. I was speaking on a more practical and personal application. If a person is quick to say they "did not" do something, they likely did, to some degree, do that thing that they're denying they did. They're subconsciously breaking their natural pattern of speech.
@@atmywhitson I was born in Chicago and grew up in New York City. Now I live on 2 acres surrounded by corn field. Though the transition may be terrifying...the escape is not only possible...but entirely worth it. Fight for it.
Wait lol, "awesome" and "right out of a movie"? Were you being sarcastic? I mean, I was thinking the same thing, but not in a good way. I was thinking, holy shit, she's watched too many movies. In fact her lean in was so awesome the guy got to go live his life for 5 more years after it.
I was a friends with Paige, our kids played together. I attended a dozen of her Pampered Chef Parties. I know everything about this case: I was at the candle light vigil, searched the desert (including Wells Gulch Road), sat through the entire trial, kept in touch with her parents. I was listening for inconsistencies, but the narrator pretty much nailed it. Bravo.
How awful - god bless you Heidi.
I'm sure Paige is glad to have such a loyal friend, you have a good heart Heidi. Rip Paige.
Do you believe that Lester did it?
I'm so sorry you had to go through this but also, Paige would be truly proud and thankful that you helped. Do you know how her family are, especially her kids ? Xx
I am sorry for the loss of your friend. :( May I ask: were you aware of her escort service occupation or was that super hush hush not even friends knew? I realize that's a personal question, I just wonder if it might have been related to the fact she just simply never let anyone know about her "other life" which can of course be very dangerous.
“It occurred to me I haven’t cried in a long time. I’ve learned to do that again.” Absolutely BROKE my heart. That poor man, I can’t imagine the pain he felt.
I can
Poor man, we can feel the pain in his voice :(
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That hit me hard
Me too, sad dads break my heart 💔😭
Came for the "hey you" stayed for the mudder off tree
Dang
Lol I love it then right in the beginning 197🌲. Lol
Tree young children.
DON'T FORGET THE WINK x
I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees 🌲
* leans in* "It should"....damn, almost had ME wondering where I was that night. That investigator was awesome...need more like her.
When her dad got choked up with tears and grief, that broke my heart. Parents should never have to bury their kids.
Agreed.
Ditto
And yet it happens with such cruel regularity. My grandparents, my uncle, my friends, and the parents of so many of my late friends & acquaintances- they all had to attend their own children's funerals. It really seems unfair that I've survived. And I don't want to have children because they might be taken just as quickly & inexplicably. It's fucked up right?
I did 2012 it is terrible it takes years and you don't get over it you just it just gets easier to deal with
@@haij16 I know.
mike counting: 1, 2, 🌳, 4, 5...
... and first, second, 💩
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😂😂😂😂😂
💩🌳= turdy tree
Jude: Evidence?
Lawyer: His name is Lester, your Honor.
Judge: I've seen enough. Guilty.
Lol that was my EXACT thought🤣🤣🤣
that sums up this case :)
Lawyer: I mean, c'mon... Look at em!
😂😂😂
Agree My ex father in Law is Lester and omg
My condolences to Paige's children, her mother, father and friends. I'm so sorry for your loss and your pain.
Agreed
im always so surprised when the reason for divorce is something like one of them not wanting kids or wanting to live somewhere else. i mean these are basic things you HAVE to discuss before actually thinking of actually marrying someone
You _would,_ and my wife and I _did,_ but *news flash* not everyone is as smart as you and us!
You would think so! 🤔🙄😞
They were high school sweethearts, probably had more pressing things to discuss. But it is a lesson that should be taught in sex ed "If you can't agree on something as simple as children, your relationship will not work"
Feelings can change over the years. One of them may have changed their mind, leaving the other one with a dilemma.
@@karaleetrapp "More pressing things to discuss" ROFL .... As teenagers they likely just wanted to hop in the sack, no discussion required! :)
The dog: "I told you so. Five years ago. Led you right to his door."
😂
Lord M, The dog: (shaking his head) "I have senses 50,000X better than yours yet you hoomans don't listen to me. I quit!"
OK seriously though, our labrador passed away of cancer last year and after she was diagnosed, we realised that our GSD had been insistently sniffing the lab exactly where the tumours were (by the time we found out, half her abdomen) for months. She probably knew something was wrong way before we did. I'm sorry girl, I'll listen to you sooner in future, thank you for trying to tell me.
Lord Mysticlaw What a sad sweet story. This is why dogs are such good service dogs. They can sense oncoming illness & mood swings too. About your Lab...Don’t “should” on yourself. You loved & cared for your pup the best you could & that’s what’s important - the happy 💕 memories.
@@ice9594 Yep, dogs are the best service dogs. I tried a guinea pig once as a service dog. It got the dog part pretty well though but had problems with the service part.
"doesn't that bother you?"
"No"
"It should"
I would literally shit my pants if a detective told me that
her stupid little lean forward "it should" was so cringey. Jesus christ lady lay off the testosterone
@@milkgxng lmao what? What part of testosterone makes you lean forward and speak softly exactly?
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 how in the world are speaking softly while leaning in and fighting someone at McDonald's related? What mental gymnastics did you have to do to make that comparison and actually think it made sense
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 yes but HOW is that the same part of testosterone. That's what I mean.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 ahh okay I see what you mean in that way. I just have a hard time connecting testosterone with her action in general.
I am so here for that detective, her tone and manner with him were 👌🏼 even down to the fact he initially corrected her from Les to Lester and from that point on she called him Les every other sentence…
The arch nemesis of every murderer:
hiker's
@sum body Damnit ! Beat me to it
You forgot mushroom pickers
Dog walkers
Dog Walkers
PS - I walk my dogs every day hoping ...
@@cdd4248 same!
This is the perfect style to tell true crime stories for people who want to hear about them at night without being creeped out by sketchy music and robotic/monotone narration.
But why do we deserve that? Should we not feel as morbid as we are?
Don’t disrespect Peter Thomas and Forensic Files like that 😭
I thought i was the only one who got creeped out at night lol
Honestly, I like this style because it's so unique. I like the "morbid" ones too, but this is refreshing. His sarcasm isn't focused on the victims, but on the gall and stupidity of the murderer.
*stares in criminally listed*
“Doesn’t that bother you?”
“Nope.”
*Leans over*. “It should 😬.”
Honestly, this had serious Olivia Benson vibes
@Chris Kibodeaux Hate to say it, but it's almost impossible for a female officer to intimidate a man
@@FireRising86 he looked pretty scared to me 🤷🏼♀️
@@FireRising86 agreed
FireRising86 When the man is innocent, not when the man is a perverse murderer
Love it when the detective leans way over close to ol’ Les and says You should. Not once but twice. Badass.
When the detective leaned forward and said ‘it should’ it was so badass!
SusieItaliano a normal innocent person would be scared
not really
Her interrogation skills were pretty blah
I do believe all this success is getting to Mike's head. He bought a whole new shirt.
And glasses lol
🤣🤣🤣💀
I don't think that is new...
that's not a new shirt..
@@lonecapricorn9518 are there lenses in the glasses? Lol
Walmart is out there solving crimes without even asking for credit
Really? Walfarts credit is ruining global communities.
Doing a better job than the cops it seems.
Most violent people and pedophiles shop at walmart, they fuel sex trafficking and other stuff, poor people are far too often just scum
and inadvertently helping people commit them lol
@@Chris_t0 You must be very poor, then!
Her father is so pure 😭 "How can one human being treat another human being so badly. I mean what an evil person." You tell them, sir…
It's kinda shocking how pure the father is when his daughter was a literal prostitute.
I still ask that all the time...
Yeah I knew by 14 how badly humans could treat others. He must have led a nice life before that.
He must of got all the purity in the family then. Because she wasn’t pure. She was a dirty women that met the usual ending of used garden tool
Mike : “no one wants to see my goblin body”
Me : “Ah c’mon let’s have a goo”
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Nice one 😂
It’ll be grand.
You just wanna see his tree legs...
😂
When her dad said he realized he hadn’t cried in a long time. I WEPT.
That broke my heart 💔
God bless his heart
Pulled at the ol heart strings.
Her poor Dad...
So sad...
"...and pampered chef."
"Her friends must have loved her for that one!"
Keep speaking that sarcastic truth, bro!
So true!
When that friend you haven’t heard from since high school or university sends you a message on Facebook or email....
I unfriend anyone approaching me for that crap
@@annacostello5181 beware the hun bots!
“…And Pages story was in the news less and less, her case becoming colder and colder while her bones remained under a colorodan sky.”
I watch pretty much nothing but true crime now days and very few things get to me
But every once in a while a creator is able to convey in very simple words the humanity that was lost and for some reason
This was it, these words are what hit me.
Not much can bring that out in me anymore, I’m honestly very desensitized when im watching these videos (not so much in real life because I compartmentalize) but that caught me off guard
Ouch, my heartie
I feel real bad for Paige's father. This was pain no father deserves. God bless those mourning their kids.
When he talked about how he hadn't cried in a long time, it was so painful to watch..
@@LePreuxBuisson yeah. As a dad that was a gut punch.
@@LePreuxBuisson yeah brother. Sometimes it's hard to fight the fight to simply function or have the energy to take a shower. I found that forcing strenuous activity and exercise helps a great deal if you can find the gumption to begin.
@@Hugh-Glass You're a Wonderful Human being. Thank you for your words.
@@FR4M3Sharma
Before I give this ol video a goo, just want to say thank you for posting. You make miserable days better - appreciated
Well you watching means so much to me!
@@ThatChapter every post 🙂
@@ThatChapter miserable days? What's going on!?
I feel ya on this!!! Omg!! It has to get better though!!! God bless!!
I feel you Kat. Hugs from Seattle.
“Les? Is that your name?”
“Lester”
*proceeds to call him “Les” constantly*
Lol. To get him agitated
@@didarden oh I know. Just thought it was funny lol
🤣 “whatever LES”
Mo Lester
I came to the comment just to say that LOL what a chad move
“I need to dump this car that belonged to the woman I just murdered. That parking lot across the street from my shop looks good.”
To me, that would be evidence he didn't do it because who the hell is that stupid? If this guy killed her then he did everything else right and pulled off the perfect murder, but for some reason made the dumbest mistake of all? Maybe his ex wife framed him?
@@reignman30EXACTLY! Or his then (now deceased) wife. Why noone looked at her blows my mind. 🤯 It would make sense why she wouldn't divorce him.
“I hear ya barkin big dog” has become easily one of my favorite lines from these videos 😂😂😂
I use it now and then, love it.
He got me, I was barking, and I still am. I'm sure he did it, but that's still some flimsy ass evidence. The only thing that changed after 5 years was they found her remains ... which still had nothing to tie him to it than what they already had, other than what an ex wife said years ago. Oh he'd dump her remains in a remote location? Where else would a murderer dump remains? Had he told his ex he'd suffocate her with a pink polka dot pillow case, wrap her body in orange nylon cord, encase her body in lucite, and sign his initials, and then they found Paige like that, then maybe he'd look guilty, or maybe his ex did it to frame him hmmmmmmmm.
Totally agree. Mike has a way of telling the stories. No one does it like him. He keeps to the point and doesn’t drag it out and when he says “let’s give it a go” you are hooked!
It’s crazy how people are literally finding their calling here. I prefer his videos more than any true crime show on cable
Agreed
Boring!!!!
Mike?
Yes I love how he tells the stories,especially the humor and the goofiness 😆
Cable 😂🤣
When the interviewer leaned forward and said, "It should." lol damn girl
I was clapping for her like get him! 💪🏼
That's when he should have said. "I want a lawyer." And not answered another question.
Yeah I giggled pretty crazily at that line! Just went from the leaning back, asking questions fairly intensely, to the lean forward and almost threatening him:-)
@Cynthia Murphy Even if she can't get things out of him, which she totally did! His observed reactions to the female detective can give them a ton of info just by themselves
@@navajo237 there's only so much an interrogator can do
Mike is the best at narrating crime. Watch That Chapter as often as I can. Thanks Mike.
I really appreciate that I never get an obnoxious number of ads when I’m watching TC! Thank you!!!
She actually lived in Atlanta when she was young. My sister was friends with her when they were little. Very sad how her story unfolded. Her family loved her very much.
Did Lester really do it?
@BasedLeaf Games It was probably one of her 'regulars' who finally discovered what $1000 per hour prostitutes _actually_ look like. Nasty dangerous business!
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 why so mad?
Hookers have bad lives. What you expect
@@cherryvoid5238 he is saying the truth that is not anger. Why you project
"Nobody wants to see my goblin buddy."
You, good sir, haven't been reading your RUclips thirst comments...
Lol I saw this comment as he said it hahaha I love this man!!!
As a Mike stan I can agree🙋♀️🙋♀️🙋♀️
It’s time for Mike’s onlyfans
Love this comment! 😁 I am so here for him too! 🙋
I would absolutely leave him a turdytree dollar tip for that show
That Chapter has honestly become so familiar to me, that it's kind of a comfort, similar to what The Office was before it was taken off american Netflix. Ita like, you've seen most, but there are some gems you miss once in a while. And there are so many that you can just cycle through and kinda forget ones you havent seen in a while so it's almost like this brand new thing😂
There's something SO WRONG that we find our respite in a Brutal crimes show :)
But Mike is just funny as heck and enjoyable to watch and to be fair, it's the RARE show that really hits me hard. It's a detached view of people we don't know. No worse than reading crime in the newspapers.
But when it involves kids or other defenseless groups, then it gets tough to just let it slide off.
But for the most part, Mike is like a teddy bear you hold when you go to bed.
And i'm a 54 year old guy :)
If a cop says they think you killed someone, your next line is "Am I under arrest? If so, I'd like a lawyer, if not I'll be on my way".
Yes! Exactly.
I appreciate out police, we absolutely need them.
They can detain you without arresting you so you can't really be on your way even if your not actually under arrest.
@Paul Hatz Cops don't have to read miranda rights anymore. They forgot so much and had to let so many people go over it that the govt passed a law about it.
Exactly!!!!!!
@@agirlisnoone5953 not true, if you are not under arrest they cannot detain you, if they get pushy just keep demanding a lawyer, if they ignore that you're laughing because as soon as it gets to trial you can have it all thrown out for ignoring your Miranda Rights.
"Her friends must have loved her for that one". Thank you for speaking on behalf of all of us with friends in multi level marketing, Mike. Love your channel!
Pampered Chef has top-notch quality products. Their lemon juicer is sub-LIME. 🍋🍋🍋
@J M whoa!! Dark.
🤣
I love your content, Mike. Every other channel that reviews cases solved or cold, will always have this obnoxious "scary ambience" playing in the background. Personally, the choice to have things more serious, less scary, and sometimes oddly upbeat makes your videos stand out as something truly special. I respect you.
That Chapter is so well narrated by none other than Mike, that I find myself rewatching episodes!!
holy hell that attorney is obsessed with viruses. she would be having a FIELD DAY right now
Attorney. "Infection your honor!"
Judge. "For the last time, it's 'objection,' and you're overruled."
Lmaoooo... y’all are crazy 😂😂🤦🏾♀️
She's probably a Karen that doesn't wear a mask😂😂hopefully not
@@Leosmommy19 imagine being piss scared of a flu just because you were told to be scared
She sounded ridiculous. What an awful public defender.
I instantly like that police lady. “Does that bother you? It SHOULD, ok?” 😂
Same
Came here to say this 🤣
She asked if it makes him nervous. Then she said "it should"
Kids a "dealbreaker?" Wouldnt....you learn that before marrying ?
they were high school sweethearts
Code word, he didn’t have enough money
Yeah and why would you try to get back with her after she had 3 kids by someone else?
You'd think.
@@dre3k78 I mean, Where is the self respect?
Love that detective who interrogated Lester!! She should definitely have a raise for that one
For what lol? She got absolutely nothing out of him. The dude went home and lived his life for another 5 years. And then he was still convicted on pure shite.
Thanks for putting subtitles when the interrogations are goin on.
My brother in law (Irish) would also say ‘The turd turning on the left’ whilst giving directions. Always made me laugh, miss him dearly.
I swear, 90% of missing bodies are found by hikers.
Or hunters
Thanks for the hikers!
But what percentage of missing bodies ARE hikers?
This is exactly why I don’t go hiking.
Pretty much.
The detective who interviewed Les was awesome.
💯. A total badass.
Your standards are pretty low. She got absolutely nothing out of him. He was free for 5 years after her "badassery".
"Lester Joe, first name Mo"
I came for the true crime, stayed for the sneaky jokes like that
Ha! I just got that! Took me awhile lol
I noticed that but I don't get it...
@@jedaaa Mo Lester: Molester
*leans in* “it should.” LEGEND
The people saying that it was "weak sauce" are dumb as hell lol.
Could you imagine that detective being your mom? You couldn’t get away with ANYTHING. You should just go straight to the timeout chair.
"Does it bother you that when I looked in your room after midnight and didn't see you in there? It doesn't bother you. *leans in* It should."
Detective ：Did u make that mess in the kitchen?
Me ：no
Detective：thats incorrect...yes u did
I agree it reminds me of my mom. LOL
Moms are half detectives already
I gotta be honest, I'm surprised Lester didn't start laughing. That was pure cringe. She made it too obvious that she was bluffing. And he already knew she didn't have anything because even at trial they still had nothing. Because there was nothing lol. A public defender won the first case and got a mistrial lol. A public defender!! That's barely better than representing yourself.
My girlfriend is worried about my addiction to this channel.. she doesn’t know I can stop whenever
But I’m not lol
You look like you belong in these videos..
Ha! So is my husband 🤣
Yeah "we can all stop any time we want " as we form our own little meetings while we watch just one more lol
@@uMADden 🤣😅😂🤣😅😂
@@mannyc4539 just speaking facts no 🧢
I wonder if there’s ever been an episode where a “tree” hasn’t been mentioned at least once 🤔
Tree times per episode. At least.
guess that means you have to rewatch them all to find out...darn.
Now that would be a sad day....
@@RyleeStrange Theres at least tirty tree that are worth watching two or tree times
Stories without a tree or a turd are rejected right away
I just wanted to thank you Mike, for being so repspectful when talking about sex workers. So many true crime channels use a particular disapproving tone, or include negative stigma when discussing that a victim was a sex worker, and its so refrshing that you don't. Much love from this SW!
She was doing what she needed... i camt even imagine having a $6,000 mortgage on top of everything else. Crazy amount.. but regardless even if her rent was 20$ nobody should judge.
@NattyB Well, we all have to make choices in live. If you can't afford the material things you have in life, then there's at least 2 choices you can make.
If a man was in a similar situation and he wanted to make 400K, he'd probably had to resort to some shady stuff as well. Not sure how respectable they would portray him if that led to his death...
You're what Tony Soprano would call a "huah"
Human garbage.
@@Fr6 wow did you come up with that reply all by yourself?
Wal-Mart surveillance has solved so many murders... Note to self: don't shop at walmart for murder supplies
@Alessia Sivieri Vivian these amateurs are buying brand new shovels and keeping the receipt
But if you’re planning on _getting murdered,_ showing up on Walmart surveillance is ok 👍
The police will look at your bank transactions and if you used your debit card to pay for these things, that's how they get you. My advice, use cash.
@@koolaid117 lol... us watching all these murder documentaries could probably be used as evidence too
😂😂😂😂
I hate it when they say "The seat was pulled back, indicating someone taller drove the car". I'm 5'6 and I always pull the seat all the way back before leaving my car.
Perhaps at her home but a burning vehicle in a random parking lot is worth noting.
Well it's a good tip for would-be murderers. I'm tall, so if I ever murder a short person, I'm going to move the seat up after I'm done. Then wait for my OJ moment. If the seat don't fit, you must acquit.
My mom does this and she's under 5'. Makes it easier for her to get out and in case someone else drives it next. In this case, obviously someone who meant her harm did drive it but other cases are not so clear cut. Hell, a criminal may even push the seat back to mislead investigators.
“The mother of tree young saplings...
This is good content
*UNDERRATED COMMENT*
😂😂😂👍
G S - And on the turd of April.
Think mike wrote that in?
Lady : “Les?!?”
Lester : “Lester!”
Lady continues to call him : *”Les”*
She did that on purpose, just to screw with him. My best friend is named Les & gets really pissed when anyone calls him Lester. But then again, he’s a psychiatrist at a State Hospital that houses sexually violent predators, and Cho- mo’s are usually called Chester the molester. Which unfortunately sounds a lot like Lester.
That was on purpose.
not a Lady a detective, and its a tactic.
I think the others are correct regarding it's a tactic.
But I don't think it's to screw with him.
Les is a pretty common nickname for people named Lester, if im not mistaken.
Most probably his mother and father did refer to him as Les, hence "Les" carries emotional value to him.
It was a way to try to get on his good side.
"Les.. Dont even say that to me, I don't wanna hear it"..
That is how you talk to a child you caught lying, and I think that is what she is trying to do.
@@Magical_Thinking I think the term u mean is chester the molester. But lester is close enough.
I heard the mailman listening to Mike the other day
Went to pick up weed at the neighbor's the other day and she had Mike on.
And luckily not a mic on
Scott Matznick That's awesome !!
Impeccable taste for a mailman.
That’s so funny
That's awesome.
Can you imagine finding out your partner doesn't want kids AFTER you marry them? Think that would be a conversation before signing a legal contract
It's funny because that's what I have always thought. I cannot believe the number of people I have known that have never discussed this before marriage! It is mind boggling. One of the most basic things. It's as if they gave no thought or talked about their hopes ands goals if life! (Cause for me that would have come up)
Sometimes it doesn't matter even if you do. I was very clear with my spouse before marriage that while I think kids are great, I did not want any of my own. He told me he never wanted kids either. Months into the marriage he said he'd changed his mind because he loved me so much he wanted a family with me. But he's also hinted that he always wanted kids, and only said otherwise because he wanted to marry me and was hoping I'd change my mind.
Finally someone else mentions it. I was like, WTF? Makes you wonder what the divorce rate is with high school sweethearts. Can't be good lol. You're not even the same person you were in high school by the time you're 25.
You should definitely discuss children before marriage,but they also married right after high school. It’s not uncommon for 18/19 year olds to feel very differently about wanting children in their mid 20s/30s then they did as teens.
What would be worse is finding out they don't want kids after you have kids. She did the right thing finding a different partner instead of taking it upon herself to bring a child/children into the first marriage. Definitely a conversation that needs to be had, ideally before getting married. BOTH partners should be on board BEFORE anyone gets pregnant. Birth control is so incredible now, it lends itself wonderfully to family planning.
Interrogator:
"Does that scare you?"
No.
It. Should.
Les was shooketh!
That was priceless. I'm surprised he didn't shit himself when she said that.
Brilliant interrogation from the start! Bumble the name and he gets comfortable with your "lack" of information off the bat. Call him Les after he corrects you... comfort and frustration short circuits his thought process. The press hard and he shut's down.
Got'em.
I really need to stop pausing videos to comment...
A silent, empty expanse...
A steady rolling sound that increases until it becomes audible footsteps; in full stride at an incredible speed.
As it approaches, you here someone in the distance:
.....gggggggoooooOOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!!! 'EMMMMM!!!!!!!!!
I was shooketh, and I knew it was coming! 😂
That interrogation was more like being calling into the principal’s office.
Lady Dick pointed hard right at his face. She warned him that he should be concerned. Please note the final outcome.
...or the 👻 ghost of Christmas past.
She was so cringeworthy. Women shouldn't be given that job ever
@@rjritch9196 I’m gonna sound like a white knight right now, but I’ve seen PLENTY of cringey interrogations from men in her position as well.
@@sosmooth13 I completely agree with that, but there's a certain dynamic between genders where the woman feels she has to act way more extra just to validate herself as the authority in the interrogation
$6k a month rent/mortgage? People need to stop trying to Keep up with the Joneses. Learn to downsize.
I completly agree with you.
6k/month is comeltly INSANE... IMO even on 2 persons.
Get a smaller apt, stay out of escort shit..
I can only talk for my self.. but that sorts of things are total dealbreakers for me.
Alot of people live above ther means sad but true.
This time the Jones kept up with her.
@@hbgkev Speak that shyt Kevin.God knows if she had let pride go....she'd STILL be her to raise her babies.And who knows,she seems like a hard worker.I believe she'd have gotten back on top again!!!!😎🤙🏾😎🤙🏾
Keep your opinions about the way people live their lives financially to yourself
I Love this detective. Two words would scare me to death. And she got close to his face when she said, IT SHOULD. Thank you Mike. I've been binging your videos. Lots down Lots to go.
If someone is gonna tell me about murders, it should be someone with a goblin body... it only makes sense.
I hear ya 🤔😂
Yes!!👏👏😁
I much prefer "goblin buddy" to "body".
Be said goblin buddy not body
@@hamburglr1 👎
“And they even went on a date on Thursday, June 28, 2007.” OK SIR, your tone is deceptively casual and conversational, but when ya start dropping exact dates and times I know some shit’s about to go down.
100%
Was all like.... uh oh.
UwU....*notices you’re a girl*
K-konichiwa! *twiddles thumbs and sweats profusely as you stare at me in disbelief*
B-baka!
👍☺️
@@aladinsane9785 You just made me think of the movie "Fried Green Tomatoes" lol ... thank you :)
12:38 In case you're wondering, that 'getting the name wrong' thing is a standard police technique. It's supposed to put the suspect at ease and make them think the interview's going to be easy.
I could also see a suspect thinking:
"Hey they can't be that focused on me, they didn't even get my name right."
Justin...... dustin mcphetrich
I thought it was to get them to correct them for some reason
I was wondering - thanks for that
Dustin’s police interview is like watching someone steal candy from a baby. “I don’t like lawyers,” he tells the cop interviewing him. Looool. TCAP rules.
I love in the beginnings when you try to act like you don’t know it’s filming lol your sense of humor is exactly like mine , I love your wit
Another loving mother, that cared about her tree children. Also, the guys name is "Moe Lester", I mean come on. MoLester. Need I say more?
Trees are like....everyone's children, maaaaaaaan.
*puts on round frame hippie sunglasses and tokes a massive joint*
@@planetschlock that made me laugh way harder than it shouldve 😭
@Hydra is any escort an open life, especially for someone with children? Maybe if there were more options for financially stable work for single parents or some laws which protect sex workers instead of criminalizing it, there would be less available victims from those with violent criminal intent.
@@kasey7338 there are laws. It's called you go to jail for assault and murder 🤦🏻♀️ if she wanted this so bad then maybe move to Nevada. You are acting like we have a society that doesn't frown on crime. Come on. Dumb.
Karen is right and some of yall are just victim blaming assholes. "Society already looks down on the mistreatment of sex workers, now excuse me while I prove my point wrong and blame the sex worker."
Everybody gangsta until the investigator lady says: “Does that bother you? Well it SHOULD”
He got told
She is the worst investigator I've ever seen. It is cringe inducing. And an embarrassment to that department.
That investigator lady was the real g. She was awesome!
nah it was better when she asked what happend *hmmm incorrect, ok?*
It may have been the wrong time for that statement. She then tried to be friendly while offering lesser possibilities of an accident.
"I did not kill her, I did not. Oh hi Mark."
Classic.
"shut the door!"
lol
Thought the same thing lmfaoo
LOL
"a flame just down the road" and "Lester, first name Mo" I hope people appreciate Mike's words
Tuesday’s and Friday’s are my favorite days because of “That Chapter!”🥳💯💙
I concur ‼️‼️‼️😁
Agreed 👍
Lames
I loooove how the interrogator kept calling him Les even after he tried to correct her 🤣🤣🤣
She is awesome!! A badass.
Probably an interrogation tactic. Gotta get them reaaaal uncomfortable.
She's ignoring jurisprudence... why not ignore his right to respect in the court. The court ignored professionalism, social customs, unbiased fight for justice, and oath of office. It's typical behavior of a DA when they have no real evidence, and therefore need to manipulate the jury's perception of the defendants guilt. When evidence is scarce, dramatics and misrepresentation of the truth will suffice. Another disrespectful, self-entitled, self-righteous, authority figure shamelessly exhibiting abuse of power. Another agent of the gov't with a power trip.
And I'm not implying that the guy is innocent, I'm unequivocally stating that the charges against him were not proven... at all... and certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt.
@@GregorySnipe How?
Geeze when her father mentioned him not crying that was sad af 😢🥺
Right? It was heartbreaking hearing his voice crack like it did. Seemed like a very nice man.
@@LovenEverythingNails He really did!
Ugh. Her dad 💔 I can't imagine being murdered and just thinking about my kids the whole time until it's lights out. Terrible :( those babies.
Mike 'tree young children' are actually called 'saplings'.
Sorry I'm a bit of tree guy.
😂😂😂👏👏👏👏🇬🇧
Amazing comment😂
Ah hell.
My partner is an Arborist.
I'm gonna have to find a way to slip this bit of giggle into a convo with him 😂
I'm so glad you didn't play the voicemail from her kids. It's beyond heartbreaking!
Oh good God! I don't like when those kinds of things are made public.
I was anxious for over half of this video before I realized he wasn't going to include it. Definitely one of the saddest things I've ever heard, and irrelevant to the case honestly. Of course they missed her, and wanted her home. She was a good mom. Mike is a better man in my eyes for leaving it out.
Aww..brakes my heart hearing her Dad interviewed 😥
@Libby Berman oh..hahaha! Breaks. Lol well thanks for the laugh..😂 I really needed one after this
This one is a great story, just for the interview tapes. That detective lass, when she says "It should" was just amazing. I thought she was going to headbutt him the first time I saw that tape. Legend.
Mike is the only person who says “take care of yourself “ to me without getting me annoyed.
I have a serious nerd crush on Mike.
It’s just a form of saying farewell🤣 lol
@@menda74 absolutely relatable
@Sin Synn well then save me, DADDY
@@DeadPunk_ how dare you lol
cop: you need to prove to me you didnt kill her
me: um sista, thats not how it works
Yeah since when did the burden of proof fall on the accused? She was reaching hard.
It’s not how it works in courts, but cops don’t have to follow that same rule. They can lie and try to goad who they’re interrogating in to talking to say something accidentally incriminating. She was hoping he would be rattled enough to make up some lie.
@@jonpray5509 In this case it seems that's how it worked in court too. If the video is an accurate representation of the case they had nowhere near enough evidence to warrant a guilty verdict. If the best evidence the prosecution has is essentially "he might have done it and we can't think of anyone else", that should be enough to cause reasonable doubt.
It's literally impossible to prove the negative, and that's what that cop wanted. Crazy.
I was not impressed with the portion of interrogation shown. Perhaps a different detective could have had better results.
I can not in my wildest imagination see why he should be convicted. I'm not saying it was not him, but they have no proof what so ever. How can one be judged without any hard evidence?
Hearing her Dad choke up... 😭 So, so sad.
He probably did it but I would’ve liked to see some actual evidence of his guilt.
The timeline, his lack of a reasonable alibi, the use of a burner phone just to call her and her scales in his workshop - while indirect, are pretty damning. Add in his fairly serious criminal record of violence against women and it's medium strong evidence. No murder weapon, DNA, nothing linking him to the car fire besides proximity definitely makes the case weak though
@@blahblahblahblah2837 you’re right. I think he may have done it but the fact that no one can say 100% it was him bothers me just a little bit. Especially when you see cases like this and a person spends 20 years in jail only for them to find the real killer later.
@@Chuck_Deuces true! And it's normally some sex offender in a county 20 miles away, where 3 women have been mysteriously murdered in the past 3 years that they didn't even consider a suspect of any crimes at all!
Donte H ... exactly... especially after the first trial's jurors could not find guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
@@JP-wx6uh I pray I always have a alibi
... life in prison for probable cause. But the jury found him guilty without a reasonable doubt.
Like, dont get me wrong, i think he did it but, theres no real evidence, not even a confession yet was sentenced with life.. it just doesnt sit right with me.
I agree. The verdict would be more understandable if there was better physical evidence .
Same. This case was weak unless we didn't get all of the info the jury was given. It would have been a mistrial if I was there.
@@valentinagonzales4184 cell phone
That's what the Justice system has become. Any justice. Any at all. People forget that justice is there to put the victims family at peace. If you're not at peace, they're probably not either. The justice system does the victims families a disservice when they prosecute based on feelings > evidence.
But then again... that seems to be the way for a lot of things dun it?
Thank you. I was just going to write a long post about this. Your average every day American doesn’t know shit about the justice system, they watch CSI and think they’re experts.
The prosecutors shit the bed on this one and relied on the stupidity of the jury.
They didn’t meet the burden of proof, couldn’t place him at the scene of the crime, no forensic evidence to support he committed the crime, no crime scene, no murder weapon, no motive. Just some bunk ass circumstantial evidence.
I agree I think he did it too, but I don’t know for absolute fact he did. If I was a juror I could not convict that man with such a weak case against him.
And if anyone’s to blame it’d be the prosecution for pushing such a weak case. God people are dumb.
Mike your the coolest. Really like your postings. Better than watching 4 hours of an interrogation and ends like a movie you wished would have ended differently. But I think you do a great job.
(MLM 'party' at Paige's house)
Attendee: "What can I offer my potential customers?"
Paige: "Well, there is the overpriced merchandise in this catalog."
Attendee: "What if they don't want any of it??"
Paige: "How comfortable are you with becoming an escort??"
@Jeffrey Dohnger 😂😂😂
@Jeffrey Dohnger , everyone should be allergic to fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Surely they have at least 10,000 calories. Probably why Elvis was constipated. I've never had one. I think I'll keep avoiding them.
Keith Devlin 🤣🤣🤣
I hate how the fact that she's an escort is all everyone says after they find out. She was a mother of three with a crappy baby daddy and bills to pay, she worked hard at many different things before she reached the point of becoming an escort and it shouldn't be what defines her. Hell if I wrote the text for the news, the headline would be "Hardworking mother of three murdered by abusive psychopath", that seems really more fitting.
I know right, that’s so sad
I thought the same exact thing! Being escort does not define someone. Life can get really hard and people find their selves in desperate situations. Thanks for pointing that out!
Thank you for saying this.
Not that it defines her, and she shouldn’t have have been murdered. But she definitely set her self up for something like this to happen. You’re not meeting the best kind of individuals who’re willing to pay for sex. The guy who murdered is a piece of filth. But she definitely could have practiced better common sense, especially with three children at home. Could’ve downgraded her lifestyle and maybe she’d still be here.
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I'm not seeing the case here. There is no direct evidence that he did anything. He might have. But a million other people might have. Thats called "reasonable doubt."
circumstantial evidence is real evidence.
I agree - the circumstantial evidence is weak. This case bothers me. He never confessed.
Totally agree with you. It could have been almost anyone.
I agree
Once they find a body, circumstantial cases happen all the time. He’ll get life without parole. The dog, the burning car next to his work, he was a customer, no alibi the night of, wife out of town, he had items of her MLM in his house, wife admits he stepped out the night the car was torched. I’m not saying its 100%, but its 99.9%.
You CANT leave a body behind. They are harder to get rid of then people think. Best not to kill anyone. Best not to get $1000 hookers when you’re a married mechanic.
That interviewer is badass. “It should” ... that would scare me lol
I keep waiting for Tuesday and Friday every week just to see what's new from Mike! I've watched all his videos and still binge watch old ones whenever I'm waiting for a new one.
15:38
_”Are your saying that I killed her? Is that what you’re telling me?”_
Investigator: Yes
*suspect physically nods affirmative to statement*
_”I did not.”_
Michael James - Some people say body language means nothing but of course it does! Also, if I was accused of a murder I didn't commit, I wouldn't be sitting back all blase about the whole thing...he acts like this is no big deal...geesh!
@@isabellind1292 there have been studies into this and body language actually means far less than everybody seems to think it does. It's really a case by case basis. Not every human being has a cookie cutter brain, and thus, two humans can react completely oppositely when presented with the same situation. Similarly, mannerisms and other body language varies from person to person. You can never truly know what someone's body language means unless you know that person quite well. In other words, you wouldn't be able to tell if someone was lying to you or not with absolute certainty on your first meeting. It's ridiculous to assume you could, but media and shows like "Lie to me" and even police training tells you that you can read minds just by watching someone's eyes or... the way they nod!
@@J_Lynn I understand what you're saying. I wouldn't base someone's guilt by the way they nod their head but this man's entire demeanor despite the serious allegations levelled against him spoke volumes to me.
And speaking in general about body language, there are times where I believe it says a lot about a person as in the case when someone is trying to project they're crying when there's not one single tear. That is a dead giveaway they are being deceitful.
Sometimes the lack of contraction use can be an admittance of guilt, too. "Did not" instead of "didn't".
@erik iverson Hardly could it be used as evidence. I was speaking on a more practical and personal application. If a person is quick to say they "did not" do something, they likely did, to some degree, do that thing that they're denying they did. They're subconsciously breaking their natural pattern of speech.
Dropped my Mindfulness Meditation in the middle of in breath to get myself to this video. I've been waiting to exhale until the video loaded. Yes!
The nod says it all "Did you do it" " No I did not" all the while nodding his head up and down. You gotta love Psychology. 💘
Things my Tuesday needs:
A field finished being plowed
A glass of whiskey
That chapter
...at least one thing is checked off the list
A fat bowl of some Blue Cheese
@xirsamoht x 🤣🤣👍
Sounds like a good life!
Unfortunately I live (unhappily) in the city. I can't wait to get out of here.
@@atmywhitson I was born in Chicago and grew up in New York City. Now I live on 2 acres surrounded by corn field. Though the transition may be terrifying...the escape is not only possible...but entirely worth it. Fight for it.
The defense attorneys sound like middle schoolers giving half-assed presentations to the class lmao
She really did 🤣
omg ... I was thinking the same.
Just terrible!
true
Haha... I think it was just her voice, and she also looks young. The points she brought up are good though.
Yes. Very unprepared. How very lazy.
Imagine a parallel universe, where Bob Ross says 'lets paint some happy little trees' and just squiggles loads of '3's' everywhere 🤣
Hahahahahaha!
Bwahahaha- niiiice
When she leaned in and said “ it should “ was awesome , like right out of a movie
Police work does not always attract the smartest people, more often those who need to wear the uniform.
Wait lol, "awesome" and "right out of a movie"? Were you being sarcastic? I mean, I was thinking the same thing, but not in a good way. I was thinking, holy shit, she's watched too many movies. In fact her lean in was so awesome the guy got to go live his life for 5 more years after it.
@@reignman30 ya I mean she set that up so dramatically like it was scripted , so the moment she did that was jist pretty cool
Imagine being named Lester Ralph and trying to be a normal person.
and imagine being named lester ralph and convicted for murder without a shred of evidence
First name Mo...
That was priceless... it took me a second!
Imagine his name being moe
Lester Jones*
Rolyat Neek lol