Everyone Else: Right Russell, the resolution to the last series finale was a little controversial, so maybe we'll avoid the Doctor-is-Jesus subtext for a little while and-- Russell: The Doctor gets lifted into the air by ANGELS!
That's what I loved about Russel, the tonal whiplash. The silly, over the top stuff and then BOOM death. I love how many people die. It's so surreal, and I think the addition of comedy makes it even more scary somehow. Like, I couldn't listen to "In the jungle" for a while as a kid, because everytime I did, I got flashbacks to that Cybermen production line with the screams of people.
Very true. I'd rather have Voyage of the Damned than Hell Bent or Twice Upon a Time and Voyage is more entertaining than Tsuranga or Battle of Whatever You Call it.
Bad RTD was like the Star Wars prequels, complete rubbish but laughably entertaining in its barminess. Bad Moffat and Chibnall was like the Disney Sequels, competent but arse numbingly tedious.
For all the silliness in Voyage of the Damned it does pose a strong counter argument to those saying that Moffat's tenure was darker and more mature than RTD's. When you get past the panto feel of the early scenes VOTD is shockingly bleak. The Guest Companion, most of the passengers and even the goofy comic relief side characters all die horrible deaths (One of them commits suicide in a fit of grief) while the slimy, amoral Slade not only survives but profits from the carnage and remains unchanged by his ordeal. Compare that to Moffat who almost always reversed any meaningful death, or sugar coated, like Amy and Rory going back in time and living happily ever after. RTD's Who, for all its campiness was in many ways a much bleaker, more uncompromising show, where fate was cruel and bad things could happen to good people. His Doctor's had to struggle to do the right thing in an unfair universe, heavy stuff for cheery teatime entertainment.
I largely agree. I never understood the RTD hate. As a long-time fan of the OG series since the 70's, it always seemed to me he had a mostly good handle on what proportion of camp silliness, and scary darkness, was needed to emulate the overall feel of the old show, while nodding to more modern sensibility, that would appeal to a younger audience, in a world shaped by IP like Harry Potter and Twilight.
@@TheEvilChipmunk I'll have to have a new who rewatch. I always preferred Moffat, felt he brought scifi and some magic back to the show but I do feel he couldn't let most things go. Its fitting his first thing for new who ended with the famous line "this time everyone lives" or something like that. Rtds era was a bit too camp and soap like at times for me but this video has made me want to go back. Both showrunners in my opinion had a bit of an ego and could have done with someone telling them when things hadn't worked or they where taking something too far
@Rebecca Woolf yeah I agree and wonder if the two combined would have worked. When I heard about the writers room for series 11 I was excited but it didn't seem to happen. I think the show would benefit from maybe two showrunners with different ideas
Glad that you've reconsidered! It _may_ be an over-the-top-as-all-shit episode, but man is it good! It's really fun and pleasant and also really deep. Such a wonderful mixture of all manner of experiences!
This story is awful but I love it. Davies and everyone involved knew that they were making a stupid fun time and just rolled with it and the result is a hilariously entertaining and brilliantly bad story that I love despite being absolutely dreadful in every way. To me, this is a Horns of Nimon/Twin Dilemma level of so bad it's good and I adore it.
A little bit of topic but how do you feel about time flight. It's very unpopular but there's just something that makes me want to keep watching every so often. Its cheesy but sometimes you need a bit of cheese.
Honestly Stu I would pay for you, billy, John and Richard going back and rewatching some of Russel’s era because the episodes actually get so dark and edgy and it’s just fucking hilarious
It's the perfect "stuffed full of turkey and rather tipsy" episode! Sometimes at Christmas you just want to sit down and watch a fun silly romp of an episode!
Speaking of Riffs: 3:30 "He tried to kill me with a forklift!" I haven't checked but I am really curious how the Five Doctors live rifftrax went over with the Doctor Who online community. I mean if fans went into full defense mode for a negative review of VoD...I can only assume most of them haven't seen it yet.
This episode really is weird, I can't take it seriously but, I really take it seriously. I mean my God how does the man who would never show blood because kids are watching kill all these characters off? FOR GOOD!??!!?!!??
"Can't show blood." "Well, that's great Mr. Davies, how are we meant to know if people have died?" "Watch me." Seriously, there's a massive variety of deaths in the Russell Era. People aren't just shot with lasers, people are gassed, crushed, evaporated, aged to death, beheaded, drowned from the inside, eaten, sucked in giant brains and basically anything you can get away with on a PG/12 rating.
The worst episodes are when doctor who is boring. This is so stupid and ridiculous but genuinely adventurous and entertaining. That's what makes doctor who great.
Voyage of the Damned is the epitome of Russell's amazing ability to let the audience take the stupidest things in the world totally seriously. I unironically LOVE Voyage of the Damned. I can take everything seriously, but I admit I'm in a minority there. It's totally ridiculous, and I love it.
Which is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to series 14... even if it's bad (which is unlikely) it'll at least make a change from Chibnall's dry era.
Also are you watching the Christmas Carol adaptation and if so what are your thoughts. Personally I love it, but Steve Knight (the guy who adapted it) is my favourite writer and every thing he touches seems to line perfectly up with what I like and turn into fucking gold!!!
guessing the defenders of this one got into doctor who they way i did, this episode is emblematic of the kind of doctor who bullshit i fell in love with back when i was 14. in fact a lot of the "worst" episodes in this era i love just as much as the "best". really if you had fun then it was good, imo.
This is why I think RTD Who works, the ideas are batshit and ridiculous, but it’s so sincere and takes itself so seriously that it’s so genuine, and very admirable in the era of the wink-and-nudge to try and downplay silly elements, where Russell goes all in
Dang-it! The video buffered at 0:06! Don't leave me hanging! Also, Please do more Big-Finish! P.S. I also don't like Tom-Baker. Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having upload my review of: 'Planet Of The Daleks (1973)!' No pressure, of-course; Just if you're interested! :)
"it's not great because it's unoriginal, steals from classic era and big finish tropes" Meanwhile "Spyfall is 'great' because it steals/blatantly rips off from several episodes of New who" (which aren't even obscure or that old... more people watched those).
I was really surprised to see how much people hated The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe - that is a genuinely awesome episode, and not in a so shit it's good way that Voyage of the Damned is
"Then Moffat came and no one died ever" Uhhh... all of his companions actually died. He didn't have a high supporting cast body count but he did kill off all of his companions.
He gave a massive cop out for all of them. River lived on in a computer Rory and Amy lived full long lives in the past. Clara can go die whenever so she's effectively immortal now The worst (as in most tragic) was Bill, who even then still remains alive in some form.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 They are still died and effectively can't come back unlike Davies companions. Now I don't measure quality on body counts, but to say he never killed them off is still wrong. Just because they didn't die brutally doesn't mean they didn't die and permanently leave the series.
Regardless of the quality of the plot of any particular episode of the era, it's hard for fans to hate a Davies/10th story based in the story beat that made them famous. A joyous and upbeat David Tenant gets emotionally punched in the gut and gets that "slapped puppy" look on his face. It's the central theme of the 10th's entire run for a reason, they're good at it. Duct tape a sad David onto the end of an episode and it will get a pass.
"it's ok we're joking" (about Tom baker and genesis) how are we supposed to know that when at the same time you're not joking about thinking voyage of the Damned is shit?
On a list of how shitty Doctor Who Christmas specials gets, it's not the absolute fucking worst and you get Kylie Minogue in a waitress uniform in your action figure collection but yeah, it was shit.
I don’t understand how Doctor Who fans don’t know it’s basically The Poseidon Adventures ??? Like FFS I know many are dumb but COME ON get some cultural references points people
I mean I never thought it was the WORST of the specials. I'd say that dishonour goes to either 'The Runaway Bride', 'The Next Doctor' or 'The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe'.
There’s so many ... I don’t want to say “plot holes” more confusing elements like The fancy dress joke THEY ARE ALL ALIENS ITS ALL FANCY DRESS TO THEM. How can the titanic break into another dimension? Why did Max need to be on the spaceship
To be fair to the episode, just because they're aliens doesn't mean they wouldn't have normal dress and fancy dress. The clothes the couple are wearing do look noticeably different from what everyone else is wearing so it could be fancy dress on their planet. I think Max was on the ship to fake his death but you're right there's no reason he couldn't have been hiding somewhere else. The titanic breaking the TARDIS is silly but it did give us the Fifth Doctor meeting the Tenth Doctor so I think that plot hole was totally worth it.
Voyage of the Damned is terrible. People too preoccupied with eating to survive. A lame and contrived deathg for the guest star. Let's hit peoiple over the head with religious imagery, because the end of Sound of Drums was too subtle. Terrible.
Normally like your stuff but this is just tiresome - especially the self-indulgent, over-laboured jokes about Kylie's songs/Billy Piper/Madonna/whatever. This kinda stuff is waaay funnier when you're taking part - as you can tell by the endless guffawing at your own jokes - than when watching it, trust me.
Sadly, I agree. I remember having a night in with two friends and ripping the original Star Wars trilogy to shreds. Even we got bored with ourselves by the middle of Return of the Jedi. Wouldn't dream of imagining that anyone outside the three of us would want to hear us laughing at our own jokes. Still, Stu's almost always on top form otherwise, so we should probably cut him some slack.
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Everyone Else: Right Russell, the resolution to the last series finale was a little controversial, so maybe we'll avoid the Doctor-is-Jesus subtext for a little while and--
Russell: The Doctor gets lifted into the air by ANGELS!
Jesus was an allegory for the Doctor
Charlie Dawson he should know, he was there.
Everyone else: Jesus Christ, Russell...
Russell: YUP
@@thomasbicknell175, that's perfect.
That's what I loved about Russel, the tonal whiplash. The silly, over the top stuff and then BOOM death. I love how many people die. It's so surreal, and I think the addition of comedy makes it even more scary somehow. Like, I couldn't listen to "In the jungle" for a while as a kid, because everytime I did, I got flashbacks to that Cybermen production line with the screams of people.
Russell T Davies is a twisted man. And it makes for a f***ing fantastic show.
When they write Bad Doctor Who
RTD- it’s so bad it’s good and crazy
Moffat- makes you want to burn your dw stuff
Chibnall- you’re just bored by it
Iain 97 accurate
Very true. I'd rather have Voyage of the Damned than Hell Bent or Twice Upon a Time and Voyage is more entertaining than Tsuranga or Battle of Whatever You Call it.
Bad RTD was like the Star Wars prequels, complete rubbish but laughably entertaining in its barminess. Bad Moffat and Chibnall was like the Disney Sequels, competent but arse numbingly tedious.
Calum O'Fee NOPE because Disney sequels actually have characters you care about and some are pretty decent like Cinderella 3 A Twist in Time
Ben W I almost agreed, but then Twice Upon a Time is 100% the shows lowest point.
For all the silliness in Voyage of the Damned it does pose a strong counter argument to those saying that Moffat's tenure was darker and more mature than RTD's. When you get past the panto feel of the early scenes VOTD is shockingly bleak. The Guest Companion, most of the passengers and even the goofy comic relief side characters all die horrible deaths (One of them commits suicide in a fit of grief) while the slimy, amoral Slade not only survives but profits from the carnage and remains unchanged by his ordeal. Compare that to Moffat who almost always reversed any meaningful death, or sugar coated, like Amy and Rory going back in time and living happily ever after. RTD's Who, for all its campiness was in many ways a much bleaker, more uncompromising show, where fate was cruel and bad things could happen to good people. His Doctor's had to struggle to do the right thing in an unfair universe, heavy stuff for cheery teatime entertainment.
Calum O'Fee here here!
I disagree
I largely agree. I never understood the RTD hate. As a long-time fan of the OG series since the 70's, it always seemed to me he had a mostly good handle on what proportion of camp silliness, and scary darkness, was needed to emulate the overall feel of the old show, while nodding to more modern sensibility, that would appeal to a younger audience, in a world shaped by IP like Harry Potter and Twilight.
@@TheEvilChipmunk I'll have to have a new who rewatch. I always preferred Moffat, felt he brought scifi and some magic back to the show but I do feel he couldn't let most things go. Its fitting his first thing for new who ended with the famous line "this time everyone lives" or something like that.
Rtds era was a bit too camp and soap like at times for me but this video has made me want to go back. Both showrunners in my opinion had a bit of an ego and could have done with someone telling them when things hadn't worked or they where taking something too far
@Rebecca Woolf yeah I agree and wonder if the two combined would have worked. When I heard about the writers room for series 11 I was excited but it didn't seem to happen. I think the show would benefit from maybe two showrunners with different ideas
Glad that you've reconsidered! It _may_ be an over-the-top-as-all-shit episode, but man is it good! It's really fun and pleasant and also really deep.
Such a wonderful mixture of all manner of experiences!
This story is awful but I love it. Davies and everyone involved knew that they were making a stupid fun time and just rolled with it and the result is a hilariously entertaining and brilliantly bad story that I love despite being absolutely dreadful in every way. To me, this is a Horns of Nimon/Twin Dilemma level of so bad it's good and I adore it.
A little bit of topic but how do you feel about time flight. It's very unpopular but there's just something that makes me want to keep watching every so often. Its cheesy but sometimes you need a bit of cheese.
Honestly Stu I would pay for you, billy, John and Richard going back and rewatching some of Russel’s era because the episodes actually get so dark and edgy and it’s just fucking hilarious
I laughed my ass off when the heavenly hosts we're carrying David Tennant up the ship and for some reason put their fists in the air.
Chris Boucher called, he wants his Robots of Death back
I want to know which Robots hooked up with which Axons to produce what is clearly their love child in angel attire.
I heard a cry.
It's very much a remake of The Poseidon Adventure in space, but also that statement in no way actually conveys how loopy an episode it was.
This was a joy and a pleasure, thank you for having us Stewart.
I’m down to clown ANYTIME 👍👍
It's the perfect "stuffed full of turkey and rather tipsy" episode! Sometimes at Christmas you just want to sit down and watch a fun silly romp of an episode!
That Right Said Fred joke was something else. Kudos!
Speaking of Riffs:
3:30 "He tried to kill me with a forklift!"
I haven't checked but I am really curious how the Five Doctors live rifftrax went over with the Doctor Who online community. I mean if fans went into full defense mode for a negative review of VoD...I can only assume most of them haven't seen it yet.
Jiffy pop! JIFFY POP!
With this, and the series 3 finale review, I'm glad Stu is coming back to the Russel Era and seems pleasantly surprised.
This episode really is weird, I can't take it seriously but, I really take it seriously. I mean my God how does the man who would never show blood because kids are watching kill all these characters off? FOR GOOD!??!!?!!??
"Can't show blood."
"Well, that's great Mr. Davies, how are we meant to know if people have died?"
"Watch me."
Seriously, there's a massive variety of deaths in the Russell Era. People aren't just shot with lasers, people are gassed, crushed, evaporated, aged to death, beheaded, drowned from the inside, eaten, sucked in giant brains and basically anything you can get away with on a PG/12 rating.
It's a blend of a dark and fun story that is silly but it's very enjoyable
I watch this every year, I know I shouldn’t but I can’t stop myself, it’s god damn entertaining
Ben O'Neill Same
thats so raven spin off ... THATS SO RUSSLLE
The worst episodes are when doctor who is boring. This is so stupid and ridiculous but genuinely adventurous and entertaining. That's what makes doctor who great.
Voyage of the Damned is the epitome of Russell's amazing ability to let the audience take the stupidest things in the world totally seriously. I unironically LOVE Voyage of the Damned. I can take everything seriously, but I admit I'm in a minority there. It's totally ridiculous, and I love it.
Which is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to series 14... even if it's bad (which is unlikely) it'll at least make a change from Chibnall's dry era.
Rank all the doctor who Christmas specials
End of time as the worst
I mean doctor widow wardrobe would probably be last as it’s the most boring
including The Feast of Steven.
Best
This now
Xmas invasion
Runaway bride
Feast of Steven
End of time
....whatever else there was
TheManado Every 11th and 12th Doctor Christmas Special is dumpster fire.
As a Yank,I only knew Kylie Minogue from her 1987 cover of Do the Locomotion.
Also are you watching the Christmas Carol adaptation and if so what are your thoughts.
Personally I love it, but Steve Knight (the guy who adapted it) is my favourite writer and every thing he touches seems to line perfectly up with what I like and turn into fucking gold!!!
I love how Voyage of the Damned is essentially The Poseidon Adventure, set on Titanic, with a title that references 1960’s Village of the Damned
Fight Me: The Chimes of Midnight is the best Christmas Special!!! *Mic Drops*
Marion Baggins I’m sorry did you forget “The Daleks Masterplan” exists? *Respectfully places mic on the ground*
@@alexzander4426 Oh Man, I did...
Love this format!!!!!
hmmm the closed captions tell me you have friends who moon. Why do I need to know this?
Do not dare utter the forbidden phrase. Do not dare.
I literally punched the air when he said John and Richard were back
Russell is Doctor Who. He breathes creativity.
But the man's a ruthless bloodthirsty monster! Look at the kill count in this episode!
5:10 wasn't he in Tracy Beaker as the cook because they couldn't afford Ainsley Harriott?
guessing the defenders of this one got into doctor who they way i did, this episode is emblematic of the kind of doctor who bullshit i fell in love with back when i was 14. in fact a lot of the "worst" episodes in this era i love just as much as the "best". really if you had fun then it was good, imo.
Should do this again sometime with other episodes.
This is why I think RTD Who works, the ideas are batshit and ridiculous, but it’s so sincere and takes itself so seriously that it’s so genuine, and very admirable in the era of the wink-and-nudge to try and downplay silly elements, where Russell goes all in
I have a secret love for this as it was the only doctor who I had on dvd when u was little and didn't stay up late enough to watch it
Dang-it! The video buffered at 0:06!
Don't leave me hanging!
Also, Please do more Big-Finish!
P.S. I also don't like Tom-Baker.
Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having upload my review of: 'Planet Of The Daleks (1973)!' No pressure, of-course; Just if you're interested! :)
"it's not great because it's unoriginal, steals from classic era and big finish tropes"
Meanwhile
"Spyfall is 'great' because it steals/blatantly rips off from several episodes of New who" (which aren't even obscure or that old... more people watched those).
Definitely my second favourite Christmas Special.
Voyage of the Damned was my favourite 10 story until i gained taste and read Prisoner of the Daleks.
This is one of those RTD stories where you have silly and dark just smashed together and I wish he picked one rather than both.
The weeping Angela like...
Bitch please we called the angel design. Take off your gold and good looking halo's we are the og angel
I agree with Stu, death is lovely. In fiction. When done in moderation, I think.
Russel likes his Jesus imagery for the doctor
But is it all a set up for turn left
You really need to try Welcome to Night Vale. It's a great podcast.
Yes Stuart try Welcome to Night Vale! All Hail the Glow Cloud!!
@@scipi3590 All Hail.
But remember, no dogs allowed in the dog park.
I was really surprised to see how much people hated The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe - that is a genuinely awesome episode, and not in a so shit it's good way that Voyage of the Damned is
Th doctor the widow the wardrobe is one of the worst stories I've ever watched but I'm happy u found some enjoyment out of it
I’ve never understood the hype for VOTD
"Then Moffat came and no one died ever"
Uhhh... all of his companions actually died. He didn't have a high supporting cast body count but he did kill off all of his companions.
LaviArray yes why does no mention this more
He gave a massive cop out for all of them.
River lived on in a computer
Rory and Amy lived full long lives in the past.
Clara can go die whenever so she's effectively immortal now
The worst (as in most tragic) was Bill, who even then still remains alive in some form.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 They are still died and effectively can't come back unlike Davies companions. Now I don't measure quality on body counts, but to say he never killed them off is still wrong. Just because they didn't die brutally doesn't mean they didn't die and permanently leave the series.
LaviArray what show did you watch? Literally all of the companions lived full lives except River, who lives inside a computer
Nardole didn’t cause he’s god
My biggest issue with this story was the acting. I know its Christmas but thats no excuse for Kylie to be completely unconvincing as Astrid.
2:14 and Enlightenment kinda
It's stupid but millions love it?! Cool.
Regardless of the quality of the plot of any particular episode of the era, it's hard for fans to hate a Davies/10th story based in the story beat that made them famous. A joyous and upbeat David Tenant gets emotionally punched in the gut and gets that "slapped puppy" look on his face. It's the central theme of the 10th's entire run for a reason, they're good at it. Duct tape a sad David onto the end of an episode and it will get a pass.
"it's ok we're joking" (about Tom baker and genesis) how are we supposed to know that when at the same time you're not joking about thinking voyage of the Damned is shit?
It's a shame, I really liked Astrid as a character. It would have been so fun to see her excitement of new things.
Feels like Christmas
The big dumb theatre stuff is exactly what I like lol,
Thanks for reminding me of being human
VoD is great
That's all
I was never impressed by VotD, but where I disagree is that it was memorable.
Wait
People liked voyage of the damned?
I know you’re not on a doctor who high write know but holy shit fury from the deep
Kylie in a maid's uniform!!!!!!
wHY u H8 Tom Baker
Snugly (NOT Chibnall) Davies time.
do you actually LIKE doctor who?
On a list of how shitty Doctor Who Christmas specials gets, it's not the absolute fucking worst and you get Kylie Minogue in a waitress uniform in your action figure collection but yeah, it was shit.
First few seconds of the video "really"
I don’t understand how Doctor Who fans don’t know it’s basically The Poseidon Adventures ???
Like FFS I know many are dumb but COME ON get some cultural references points people
New Who fans. Let's not mistake them for classic Who fans. Classic Who fans know their shit.
I mean I never thought it was the WORST of the specials. I'd say that dishonour goes to either 'The Runaway Bride', 'The Next Doctor' or 'The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe'.
It's a good one
Voyage of the damned is Robots of Death with less brains and lots and lots of bull shit
❤️👍
There’s so many ... I don’t want to say “plot holes” more confusing elements like The fancy dress joke
THEY ARE ALL ALIENS ITS ALL FANCY DRESS TO THEM.
How can the titanic break into another dimension?
Why did Max need to be on the spaceship
To be fair to the episode, just because they're aliens doesn't mean they wouldn't have normal dress and fancy dress. The clothes the couple are wearing do look noticeably different from what everyone else is wearing so it could be fancy dress on their planet.
I think Max was on the ship to fake his death but you're right there's no reason he couldn't have been hiding somewhere else.
The titanic breaking the TARDIS is silly but it did give us the Fifth Doctor meeting the Tenth Doctor so I think that plot hole was totally worth it.
rogue meteorite but it’s all fancy dress to them because they are aliens
Hello hello hello how’s it going great videos
Voyage of the Damned is terrible. People too preoccupied with eating to survive. A lame and contrived deathg for the guest star. Let's hit peoiple over the head with religious imagery, because the end of Sound of Drums was too subtle. Terrible.
It's crap.
Normally like your stuff but this is just tiresome - especially the self-indulgent, over-laboured jokes about Kylie's songs/Billy Piper/Madonna/whatever. This kinda stuff is waaay funnier when you're taking part - as you can tell by the endless guffawing at your own jokes - than when watching it, trust me.
Mark Michalowski THANKS MARK, Their really comptable!
Personally found it funny myself.
Sadly, I agree. I remember having a night in with two friends and ripping the original Star Wars trilogy to shreds. Even we got bored with ourselves by the middle of Return of the Jedi. Wouldn't dream of imagining that anyone outside the three of us would want to hear us laughing at our own jokes. Still, Stu's almost always on top form otherwise, so we should probably cut him some slack.
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