Anyone who does not live here in San Francisco has no business commenting on if this is justified. It is up to us, the residents, to decide if we think it’s fair to treat OUR neighbors, OUR fellow residents, OUR homeless population like this.
Good Greif. Their not residents they are a liability . All the tents garbage urine and fecal matter the crime. Them shooting up and having hand out from the city. The appalling crime the fact they are completely above the law and they take precedence over people who work and pay taxes. All the violent crime they cause l could go on and on. Thats why l dint go to San Francisco anymore!!
In some other countries they force people doing drugs in streets to either go to a medical facility and get clean or they go to jail. It seems harsh but it works better than what we’re doing. They also offer better services though to help people get clean and get the resources they need to get back on their feet.
This sounds good but what abt the ppl who are just completely broken from trauma and those who don't do drugs? Ppl are having to lie and say they are alcoholics and drug addicts just to get into rehab housing. Then ppl under 18 or even ppl who seem young can't get into these facilities because of the danger or the fact ppl under 18 have no rights.
If some do not want to work nor get help...😢 It's their choice! Let they go and stay in facilities as jail, special camps Or social services work rehabilitation🎉 facilities where they must work be housed get paid learn the value or money again😮or stay as the majority and or be hungry 😊. It is hard to fathom that other cities and governments Feds and States ALL give them MONEY to do NOTHING! So they prefer stay on drugs alcohol. Social services need to be firm, fair faithful, frank to get them of the streets. 😮 They are paid as NGO's. We can all help as church groups with food and clothing, showers. 😢 Caring and CHOICE ALTERNATIVES😮 to them. it's ashame what has happened Statewide, Federal Wise or world wide. ❤I love all my brothers and sisters of any fair faith none and persuasion. How do people let themselves go even as homeless. We allocate billions not just for defense and all other gambits and persuasions. There is so much waste. 🎉 How can we all help as this man suggests? You have more idea than I. Please go on to help or say kind word or speak up. 😮 there is much wisdom in Book of Or Proverbs BIBLE. I like San Francisco and Oakland and the BART system. So many were helpful to be there. I am from Boston and Los Angeles. Thank you so much for making this excellent video. There are more ideas🎉we all have to share. Thank you for everyone here.
Alright, speaking as a security guard in SF. A lot of my job is having to do crisis intervention, you hear alot of these people's stories and Im friends with people who were homeless for more than a few years but got back up on their feet. In my honest opinion, I dont entirely believe its just California's fault, its the entire country's. In most states, homeless are seen as just criminals, idiots who cant handle their own financials, and just drug addicts who never learned after their first overdose. After talking to these people, a lot come here because it really is genuinely still one of the better states to be in terms of social services. HOWEVER, Due to california's high cost of living, its hard for these people who have nothing to build themselves up. If say they went to Idaho or some other state with lower costs of living, and still had access to the same amount of services we have here, I genuinely believe it would significantly easier for them(the ones who really do want to be better) to get back up on their feet.
Homelessness is a nationwide crisis which has gotten worse since the pandemic. Housing has become less affordable in all states, and the waiting list for housing assistance is insane.
When I was homeless in Redwood City the AA used to come to Maple every single day. And all the literature was free. And they would take us to " normal " meetings and bring us home. Now there were like 50 women and 100 men at Maple. Would you care to guess how many clients bothered to attend those meetings? 15? 10? Ño. 5- on a " good " night. HOW are you supposed to provide services for people who...just don't want them?
@@wturner777 You see- the problem is in the word " affordable ". Say a typical apartment is $ 2000. And affordable housing is $ 1000. It's " reasonable "- but is it " affordable " for someone who's disabled and whose SSI check is say $ 700???
@@mttcrs8044only some of us understand this unfortunately. Public is EVERYONE. Therefor there is no reason why I shouldn’t be able to access a park or walk down a sidewalk because someone else decided they didn’t want to move. It’s crazy to me that some people don’t see the irony in what they’re saying 😅
i am a waiter in Chicago i had to go out on to my restaurants outdoor seating area and try to stop two homeless people from fighting each other in front of my customers i dont have the answers to the homeless issue.i do feel less safe in my own city
No one talk about preventing homelessness. Preventing homelessness cost less than that incurred to react to the problem. The estimated 7,500 homeless in SF negatively impact the $7.7 billion tourist industry. Crime, dirty streets, safety, who wants to lose their heart in San Francisco? What is it going to do to property values and the enjoyment of residence? Good governments are proactive, not reactive.
Yes, I blame them. It's now a well established fact that it is cheaper to buy them apartments than to keep dealing with the fallout of homelessness, yet they still choose policies that have INCREASED homelessness 12% in a single year.
@@spacecaptain9188 heck ive for one alternative have designs for bus stops with soar wnd wind powered on the appartus to power cooling for summer and heating for winter and confort subway style benches even to sleep 7 sit on, and exercise bycycyel which can even add to battery as you cycle till your ride arrives .,etc even to designs ive been meaning to give out even starting with detriot to ny to francisco
That's good. When I try to sit on a bench either to rest or wait for a bus, there are sometimes homeless people sleeping. Benches are supposed to be used for sitting for some limited time, not sleeping. It's the city responsibility to solve the homeless problem permanently, but are not doing it.
If someone is throwing their own poop at you, you have every right to spray them with a hose. I understand having compassion for those who struggle with mental illness and poverty. Iv spent many days talking with and feeding the homeless. The problem is that our taxes are going to a billion different things we can’t even choose instead of going to housing programs and mental institutions to help a lot of these people struggling on the streets. Instead, people want to get mad at businesses owners for having to deal with a problem that shouldn’t even be theirs in the first place. Come guys, people being Holmes’s should be a right to impede that on everyone else. Like even the term “hostile architecture” is joke. It’s not hostile at all. It’s smart. Getting HEP C from a homeless person throwing a crack needle in your arm is hostile. Having people throw their own poop at you is hostile. An uncomfortable seat for a bus?… ingenuity.
As a resident of San Francisco it sucks to have benches, bus stop seats, etc that are very uncomfortable. You don’t just harm the homeless with these things, you make it very unpleasant to live here. A new park was put in on a corner not far from me, and they put in cement blocks as seats but they’re studded with metal bars. Impossible to enjoy this park. Zero people sit there. I get that you don’t want to encourage people to use it as a place to sleep, but maybe we should enforce our laws and have laws instead of just wrecking the city for use by regular people too.
It's an absolutely *psychotic* position that we should make our cities worse for everyone, just because it happens to hurt acceptable targets the most. It's straight up evil. One guy with serious mental damage that he can't help, and no one else will help him with, "throws his poop at you," and in your warped brain, you think that has *anything* to do with making benches impossible to sit on? And hosing down everyone you please? Are you even listening to yourself? _Non sequitur._
@@roastbeefy0weefyyou sure about that? The lgbtq center is participating anti homeless tactics and they’re the ones who are usually at the front lines of the whole support the homeless/help others movement. (This is not a homophobic comment, just an observation)
@@alexibarra4675 Yeah but you're treating a group as a monolith / strawmanning. It's good for a quick standup bit but doesn't really make sense. If the original commenter's point is true, then who does actually try to help homeless people? Those who hate them? Get real. Of course some people are all talk, but the group that isn't are still a subgroup of the group that talks about it.
@roastbeefy0weefy 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ just saying it's a little ironic. There's nothing to get real about. I have my opinion and my perspective, and I'm sticking to it, so it's harder for me to look contradictory than these people who say we have to help but take no action towards helping. I understand your point, but until people start to actually take action, they're just words. I support the anti homeless stuff because in my line of work, they're a nuisance and constantly create shitty situations for me or the people who work for me.
Finally they do something that works. San Francisco has been bending over backwards for generations to help out the homeless and it never worked. Good for them
@@michaelsix9684because the ones who are supposed to “solve” homelessness would stop receiving billion dollar handouts from the federal government for their pockets if they ended homelessness
@@JellyAntz I agree totally. Govt. programs help lots of people running programs get rich but homelessness remains. They don't want to solve the problem and lose that payout.
SF gets most homeless people from elsewhere! The city has given too many incentives to draw them in. SF spends a billion plus per year on this problem. No success!
@@michaelsix9684It isn't necessarily that the cities are giving the homeless something that is the draw. Cities with the largest numbers of homeless tend to have fair weather conditions year round, along with giving them access to panhandling.
Yeah, and your comfort, as a shopper, is obviously more important the health and safety of the wretched people on the streets who have nothing. After all, "If they'd rather die, then they'd better do it, and decrease the surplus population," as I'm sure you'll agree wholeheartedly.
You mean like the almost 700 million a year the city spends on homeless services? Mostly distributed by non-profits who use it for failed policies that only exacerbate the issue like needle swaps?
Yeah….90% of people think these are a good idea. How dare these businesses build things to keep homeless from making escapements in front of their business.
This is what happens when policymakers fail to acknowledge their own failed policies, i.e. tackling housing for the homeless, and instead do things like this that hurt everyone.
Thanks for giving Cathenge a cameo in your "Hostile Design" video which I think is valuable information people should be aware of since, as you point out, it is often cleverly camouflaged. My art installation, "Cathenge", is actually a paragon of "friendly design". It's a sculptural installation that provides a space where people of all kinds are welcome to gather. It's been really gratifying to see that the installation has been well respected by everyone - including homeless people. From the beginning of its display, the homeless have spent time at the installation, but I've never found any damage or problems that I could attribute specifically to the homeless. Indeed, individual homeless persons have taken time to speak with me and convey their appreciation of the art, and the space it has created. I believe that if people put more creative energy into "friendly design" there would be a lot less problems on the streets. Creating inclusive art spaces that foster community is a great approach to more friendly principles in urban planning.
I should clarify that Cathenge has not been a homeless hangout especially. That's not what I meant above. Homeless people do visit it, but they don't dominate it at all. The installation has been shared by people of all economic classes as far as I can tell, and people of all races, nationalities, and religions. I think that demonstrates that if one does make a pleasant space it doesn't mean that the homeless are just going to take it over. That hasn't happened at Cathenge at all
Cathenge is amazing! There’s a handful of things in the video that aren’t at all hostile design. They’re just there between scenes because SF has so much cool stuff to see. Thanks for your work!
@@AdamDoesNotExist Pretty much everything you showed in the video was new. And SF has cleaned up remarkably in the last 6-9 months. So why do you say that it isn't working? The planters - new. The bus stops - new. The fare gates - new. The benches - new. etc. You get the picture. Try living here with all the drug dealing and unhinged drugged up crackheads for a while then we'll see how you sing.
Imagine that you're allergic to oranges and get rush because of that. You try to make your skin look better by putting a foundation on that rush AND at the same time you continue to eat oranges and even increase the consumption. It is a smart behavior? Hell NO. And that hostile architecture is the same. They spend a huge ammount of money to construct and install that and keep pumping housing prices up. There are 24 empty properties for 1 homeless person in the US. There is no shortage, just sheer greed.
tell me, when was the last time a drugged up homeless person contributed to the betterment of society... we all have responsibilities, why should they be exempted.
@OP Now you saying an awful lot like Daigo Mentalist, a homefull Japanese course seller that loves paying customers but bashes homeless for being less worthy than cats.
I’m gonna point this out since people turn a blind eye to this factor in California. This also depends on city, California has a very high cost of living, you may find homeless who have jobs, some being things like lawyers, doctors, and so forth, both notable and less notable jobs. The main factor is that they cannot afford a home. Of course this does not exclude the drug addicts however, given Californias circumstances, homeless people with jobs do exist. Do keep in mind, that since they have a job, they’ll be at work and won’t be loitering around all day. I’d just like to point that out, don’t always assume all the homeless as bad. It’s human instinct to notice bad things, for survival and safety, but because of that, we can neglect the more positive things, it just happens to be the bad homeless are very noticeable.
@@jerryudonneedtoknow3903 yeah you’re obviously smoking something. The cost of living here in California is high but not high enough that it causes a working person to be homeless. People can rent and don’t have to buy homes. If you’re working full time in California and you’re homeless, that’s by choice. If you live in a city like San Francisco, that’s by choice. A year ago, a guy I worked with who was getting paid more than I did and had monopoly over hours lived in his truck and loves to tell everyone he’s homeless. Don’t tell me that bs.
This is the part that people really struggle to understand. Hostile architecture makes those things worse for everyone. It doesn't do anything to fix the issues that lead to homelessness, and it doesn't even stop homeless populations from using things in a way they shouldn't be. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.
I'm not sure I understand the point you're making. Should the city and private property owners just welcome tent cities everywhere? In my experience most homelessness isn't due to poverty but a combination of mental illness and addiction. That usually means they aren't just looking for a place to sleep but also leave behind needles, bottles, human waste, on top of occasional harassment of people walking by. Why wouldn't anyone try to mitigate that?
7-22-24 Logical Fallacy Detected: Slippery Slope "If you make the city homeless friendly, you will see homeless people coming to [San Francisco from] all over the world" That's a leap of logic. Remember "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie"? You can't claim that making San Francisco homeless friendly will attract homeless people from around the world like they're fricking Muslims to Mecca without making the assumption that every homeless person around the world would necessarily want to go to San Francisco. What about NYC? Or Seattle? Or Los freaking Angeles? What about Kansas City? And that would assume they went to the USA. What about the UK? France? Germany? Heck, Europe in general? And that'd assume they could get to another country. You can't just state that with a 100% certainty. It'd probably only make San Franciso homeless friendly and that's it. And if you are wondering, I typed this entire thing on mobile.
Also the reason that they don't have glass is because people kept breaking it. You'd have to be utterly uninformed to not realize that all the glass got broken, repeatedly, until they just stopped replacing it. They had to replace some stops dozens or hundreds of times if they wanted to keep the glass on them.
@@AdamDoesNotExist no it's not. You said they should keep the glass there permanently. asdfljasdfaklsd1910 speaks the truth, man. Some of us have lived in the Bay Area a long time. We're all liberals here, but there's practical reality, too.
hostile architecture isnt just hostile to homeless people. its also hostile to disabled people as well. i wish there were more and better social programs to help.
The bus stops are for people going to work often early in morning or late at night. I fully support hostile Architecture. We need permanent against their will commitment for drug addicts.And I am one myself
So the residents and business owners had to spend their own money to put up planters, fencing, and grates with spikes to keep drug addicts from sleeping and defecating outside of their buildings. Can you really blame them? It’s the taxpayers doing part of the municipalities job. Now the city should start doing something effective to address homelessness and drug addiction.
@@Aw3someOpZ many homeless people do have jobs, they just dont pass as homeless when you have basic needs met you can be a functioning part of society eaier
Ah... but how do you intend on making people Behave ??.... and is it too much to ask that if. they are provided Shelter ... they Remain Sober ~ or is that Too much for you ??
@@michaelWells-ef9bx Their having shelter isn't preconditioned on anything. It's a human right, not a prize they win. Once they have shelter it becomes vastly easier (and cheaper) to address their other issues, including drug addiction. This has been shown again and again where it's been tried.
I very much support homeless outreach, mental health, drug and alcohol treatment, job training etc. I don't however believe that anyone has a right to live on a public sidewalk and one of the worst trends we have seen is the normalization of homelessness and treating them as an oppressed minority
Well said fenian! The cowardice displayed by politicians all over the country regarding homeless bums is revolting and pathetic!!!!!!!! :( I remember reading about the prevailing attitude in San Francisco of being compassionate. Well, what about the homeless having to show accountability? :(
its the worst trend yet you all vote for people who dont care about it, left and right. homeless arent all drug addicts, and there are families who live in their vans now because the rent is too high.
Criminalizing homelessness is not the answer either. Giving someone a criminal record on top whatever other problems they have just makes it even harder for them to pick themselves up.
Wit respect, I live in a suburban area. I would not choose to live in an urban area where people could live outside my home and obstruct walkways with their bodies and/or shelters. I must pay taxes to live in a place. I must work to provide myself with food , shelter, clothing. Who gets to decide how much I must pay for others survival and how much less I have to provide for my own needs and wishes? Who gets to decide and by what right how much of my income is Mine and by what authority? Going with the Proportion of an individual's income is required for survival (need) vs. wishes (everything else), what is the proportion of the income of the people who make these decisions that I must give up what is mine for other people's use without my individual consent? Isn't it Theft to take what belongs to someone else? I do not see hostile architecture. I see a futile attempt to retain control of property from those who wish to steal its use from those who pay for it. What is the origin of authority homeless people have to do what they want , where they want and not pay for it? How does one keep shelters safe without endless 24 hr cameras and guards and on site police?
You decide how much money goes to this by voting for the people that direct your tax dollars how you want. And if you pay any federal or state tax in the US, your money is paying for these services.
@@AdamDoesNotExist With respect, I haven't seen or heard political candidates promise " I will take your money to fund schools,maintain streets and bridges and distribute the rest as a "come one come all" endless open house for people who are not paying taxes? With respect, that politicians are voted into office and spend tax money as is useful to them does not answer the question of authority granted to homeless people to utilize public streets that they do not maintain by their efforts nor pay to maintain as their personal property. I can pay taxes on a commercial property that no one wishes to visit because of the refuse from and bodies that must be stepped through to access said property. In theory it is sensible to run one's personal finances as a business by not spending more than one's income. Taking a small percentage of that gross income to provide "for the public good" is reasonable. How is it good business to keep increasing the expenditure until an increasing number of people start to lose the ability to provide for themselves? Thank you for responding to my questions.
I bet we agree on more than we disagree. None of this is good business. SF wastes so much money on all of this. I completely understand why there are so many planters on the streets. But they aren't working. I saw a few people sitting on them dealing drugs. Anyone who lives in SF has seen that. It's frustrating.
@@AdamDoesNotExist A lateral problem. Theory being everything, those voted into office do what they promise as opposed to what suits them. In the past, political platforms were promises of actions to be taken as compared to now when the political rhetoric focuses on name calling and spending tax dollars to publicize each and every social faux pas while shielding or ignoring the inadequacy of role performance.
@@AdamDoesNotExist Yes. Problem solving is a skill. As with programmers and hackers, what one person devises another can destroy or overcome. As with some others of my generation, I have grandparents who used outhouses as children and hand pumps for water at the kitchen sink. I am fascinated with the question of what determines the rise and fall of prosperity in families. Non-fiction is not my daily go-to, however, I read "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel recently and got "White Trash" by Nancy Isenberg from the "to sell" rack at the library and recommend them both. Perhaps it is hardest for those such as myself whose families could have but did not fall into depths of poverty that sucked away all energy needed to continue striving. And such musings do not solve immediate problems such as clearing streets of bodies camping out. Acknowledging that there is no "magic" to make it all go away, what actions do you see as possible beginning partial solutions to this issue? Thank you again for this discussion.
We need more of this design. I think the narrator's efforts would be better used working to solve the issue of homelessness rather than insinuating that people should give up public spaces for "tents" and "sleeping" areas. Homeless people often do not respect the property or the space of others. Perhaps, creating jobs, providing those jobs to the homeless would help. Perhaps, bringing back sanitariums would help those who do not have the capacity to work. This is not about how awful it is that people want to enjoy there spaces, but rather a government that has manufactured homelessness by taking away jobs, allowing costs to outpace earnings, and making it seem like homelessness is normal. Why was homelessness not such an issue decades ago?
I agree with a lot of what you said. Unfortunately this design makes is harder for everyone to use. You see more people than ever sleeping in bus stops. But now they're useless for everyone else.
Do you ever watch " News For Reasonable People"? Sean, the host echoes my opinion: this is not a "homeless" but much more so a "drug and mental illness" one 🙏.
answer to the last question, because of housing abundance, if that city wasn't stuck with fascists increasing their money numbers we would see same development as in Europe or for an actually human system we would see housing is human right approach & just build min 5 story apartments everywhere where single fam duplex or quadruplex stands now.
You don't need more of that design. You need more social housing and rehabilitation problems. And more affordable housing, not 24 empty houses bought for investment purposes for 1 homeless person. And look at how much many goes on that design. PS: Yes, there're still issues with homelessness in the EU, but it's not even close to the US numbers. Japan is closest to the solution. 0.003%
This video/attitude doesn't account for the silent but tangible negative externalities on most people who live in the city that the hostile architecture seeks to avert
During the early 90’s the fountain at UN Plaza wasn’t cordoned off. It was a regular sight when I took the bus to school to see the homeless and drunks peeing into the fountain. And sometimes tourist kids played there.
Let me ask you something, what is the top priority for city officials and for the city in general is it to be humane to the homeless people or is it to make life safe and comfortable for its law abiding/tax paying residents? More planters, less homeless please. As I write this prop 36 that makes stealing no longer OK again passed with about 70% in California. That’s an overwhelming majority. If you think that being humane to the homeless should take priority over residents feeling safe and comfortable know that you are without question in the minority. Empathy is essential, but empathy without reason is unsustainable. Have a wonderful day my friend❤
You house, beyond that locked door, is private space; the public space is...well, public space. These designs lower the comforts of city's inhabitants, and they did not agreed to it. Will you be fine if the government put booby traps or cameras in your house without asking your permission, all just to catch potential burglars?
We used to go to California 6-7 times a year. We stopped. A lot of parks and Public places we wanted to take our family to had been overwhelmed by homeless tents, but that’s not the bad part. It’s the human pee and poop everywhere. A grown man just decided to a poo on the beach. Oh there were a row of Port a Potties like 30 feet away. 😂😂 CALIFORNIA.😂
I don't believe the design is just intended to stop homeless, it's to stop people from ruining/breaking/trashing any structure. SOmething is wrong with the culture as I just came back from visiting Korea and every corner, no matter it's the ally, bus stop, train station, underground subway, public bathroom) is pristine. Not a scrap of trash and super clean. Why US is like that...city of SF knows from experience that if they put in anything nice, someone (not necessarily homeless) will trash it.
wow hostile design sounds great. Why are you having a problem with it. You can't use a bus stop if there is a person sleeping there. You can't use a door if there is a person sleeping there. You can't tend a garden if there is a person sleeping there. So your saying that old people, handicapped people, children and women don't matter. Because you don't like hostile design. Mentally ill people are not sleeping on the street because they are poor. They are sleeping on the street because they can't fill out a form, clean themselves or show up anywhere on time. They can't take responsibility. And if they had an apartment they would not go there. Mentally ill people need a place. But they don't want to or can't fit in any rules. A city lives on its rules. And there in lies the rub.
I don’t think he’s saying it’s bad. He’s saying how the way they’re addressing it is inefficient and a huge waste of money. He’s capturing how nothing is working well and what ideas are being used.
@@dreamlaughwishful "He’s saying how the way they’re addressing it is inefficient and a huge waste of money. " No, it's not a waste. It's what We the People want. I grew up in the Bay Area and I agree with gladyskravitz. Yes, we SHOULD help the homeless. That's absolutely true.....AND it's ALSO true that we can't make it easy for people to block transit waiting areas, doors etc.
The problem is that it doesn’t actually address the issue of homelessness, it just makes homeless people’s lives worse while consuming resources that could be spent on actually trying to fix homelessness.
@@spongeintheshoe "The problem is that it doesn’t actually address the issue of homelessness," Neither does a municipal potable water system, but that doesn't mean you don't need it. We should help the homeless AND WE DO. This is not trumptard land. But we also don't want to be overrun by them.
Just goes to show you that government won't fix the homeless situation and they lack the skills to actually solve the homeless problems because they are more focused on keeping their lifestyle than doing their jobs
Socialist cities doing what they do best. Running their cities like a rathole, they create a “solution“ to a problem they’ve created in the first place 😂😂😂
How you help a good for nothing homeless addict if they dont want help we need more money spent on thesse even in canada the best way to help them is to force them or make living on the street such a hell that they go get help ps. More like make them get a job no 1 should spend a cent on thosse people
@@taffinjones8641 are they forced to live therre if you want to live in the big aple dont expect to aford it wotking at a fast food place even a toddler know that..
You seem to be ignoring the reason why these are being constructed and you conveniently skip over the violent, hostile community that preys on the neighborhoods making it unsafe to walk down the street without being assaulted. If you are so alarmed, why doin't you invite them into your home?
Many of the homeless I met claim that they were bussed to the city, often form outside the state. They say it was a bus ticket or jail. San Francisco gets criticized no matter what they do. I think in this area they have to fight back or the problems will keep getting worse.
When a society gets too permissive, this is the inevitable result. People take things farther and farther until places become unlivable. Your permissiveness is not compassionate. It's not "live and let live". It's allowing decline until society collapses in a long slide into misery for all. Only children don't grasp that concept.
Exactly. None of this has solved the actual problem. It only makes it worse. Now tents are in the middle of the sidewalk, planters are on the side, and everyday citizens have to walk around them in the street.
Oh no people dont want homeless people living on their land 😱 thats crazy talk. Anyways i dont see you houseing any of them your self to try and fix the problem
I think hostile architecture is a good idea. I worked in downtown Philadelphia and you couldn't cross the street without being accosted by pan handlers. It was intimidating to enter a store or restaurant because of men hanging around the entrances. I'm sorry for the homeless who are in that situation through no fault of their own. I support programs to get the homeless working and self sufficient. There should be more subsidized housing but there should be a work requirement. Enact old vagrancy laws and make those who refuse to work keep moving.
these are great!!! maybe someday i can move back to my hometown SF and walk down the streets without the fear of someone jumping out of the shadows and robbing me !! and use a bench/bus stop that's not reeking of piss and feces 🥳🥳🥳
Thanks so much for this video. What a difficult, sad, and complicated topic. I visited SF last year and just came back this month for a family graduation. I saw a large decline in homeless encampments. I was not sure why but understanding now what you raised makes sense. San Francisco is such a beautiful city and ALL of its residents are lovely, in their own special ways.
This is in no way the solution. Say this works and homeless people wont be a bother in bus stops Doesnt matter, they will be a bother in some other place They are a homeless, they have nowhere to go, there is a place where they will be a bother in The solution would be to give them somewhere to stay And Im sure that in the long run that would cost less then revamping things like bus stops to be hostile
People don't want homeless to stay on the sidewalks because it makes them feel unsafe. But homeless are expected to stay in a shelter where they don't feel safe.
I have been subscribed to you for a couple months now, and normally I’m a silent viewer but I want to express how great your content is! You always deliver quality videos, with well written scripts in a thoughtfully edited format. This video in particular sticks out to me as someone from the bay and aspiring to be a civil engineer for the city for the reason of helping eradicate hostile architecture or bandaid solutions - instead, to cultivate community and get to the root of what hostile architecture is actively avoiding to figure out. Thank you for sharing and I can’t wait to see what you have for us next!
Thank you! That means a lot to me. The work you're talking about it important. A lot of money is spent on symptoms in the bay area, not the actual cause. The result so far seems to be just a lot of frustration.
I think until they actually do something to solve the homeless problem, this kind of architecture is needed. The idea of it sounds horrible, but the alternative is homeless people sleeping, pooping and peeing in the bus shelters making them unusable for the actual people trying to ride the bus to go to work. It's unsanitary and unsafe for the non homeless people. No one wants to sit on any public bench soiled up with feces by the homeless. And no one deserves to have their business that they worked hard on for years, destroyed by homeless people camping there. I think people are imagining the homeless as clean people with clean clothes and mentally sane living on the street because of falling on hard times and they just need a place to sleep. But that's not the case. I'm sorry for the situation the homeless are in but it's not fair to endanger non homeless people with the unsanitary conditions the homeless make places to be. I want to be able to go for a walk and then sit on a bench somewhere without worrying about feces or other bodily fluids being in the seat. I think people who complain about hostile architecture are those who do it from comfortable places where they have very little contact or experience with the actual real homeless. It is not pretty. They are dirty, not your I missed a shower today kind of dirty but weeks on end with no shower type of dirty to where you can see the dirt and filth on their skin to where they look like they have a tan, then they have strange skin conditions from living in the filth with open sores and stuff, smelly, unsanitary and mentally unstable. It's sad. It's the government that needs to bring back mental institutions or find some way to house those people.
No ones going to give someone who’s homeless and can’t get daily shower and clean clothes a job. Shelters don’t let you work jobs that’s hours go to late which is the jobs most homeless people can get besides the other shelter downsides like having to wait in line all day to get in. Most homeless people don’t want to be on the streets. You don’t seem to know anything about being homeless or the struggles of being homeless.
I assure you, they’re already acutely aware of that. It will not, however, help them get off the street or get a job, which is a shame because they’d probably appreciate that help.
OH duhhh see that was the problem all along, they just FORGOT that living on the street sucks. So helpful of you to remind them!! You fixed homelessness forever!!! Dum b ass
What? Normal people with homes already have a hard enough time hunting for a job in this country, Imagine someone who is homeless and dead poor. You must be middleclass with detached takes like this.
If the people who died in supportive housing in 2020, what percentage of them died from COVID? That said, sleeping on the street was probably safer in terms of avoiding COVID than sleeping in a shelter.
Great video Adam. I think is a good idea what San Francisco Goverment been doing . I have seen many documentry/ videos about homeless in San Francisco & California. When i was in New York i have seen Homeless / druggy around . I think California is most highest when come to homelessness people. Sad to see what is happening . American Government they must give free place for homeless to stay in empty buildings / malls . Make more rooms .
How on earth can you make a comparison. The Steinbeck's were decent hard working people. Who were escaping a situation completely out of control. Your going to compair them to violent crack heads😮
Looks nice in the hostile design areas. Good for those participating! With feces & needles comes disease. Who wants any of it?! So much better w/these hostile designs.
As someone who drove in San Francisco for Lyft, I can tell you that there are almost no public facilities. So, where are the homeless to do their business?
Most of this is downtown, and on market street, where homeless populations are more common. Those are the least nice places in SF. Everything outside of downtown it much nicer. There are almost no public restrooms for anyone.
I think hostile architecture is GREAT! In fact why call it hostile? Just call it architecture. People shouldn't be camping out, doimg drugs & ruinimg a city.
@@xxzinks Not on footpaths, blocking taxpayer's homes, or in front of businesses, ruining their businesses. Perhaps in a shelter? Or a forest? Or an empty block of land somewhere?
@denisemayosky1955 Those that work are living in cars, not doing drugs in front of someone's business 🙄 Your attitude is EXACTLY why the city has become a shithole. Suicidal empathy. Wokeness.
When the story came out, none of the background on the lady throwing feces or his repeated requests being ignored was included. So people thought the lady was only there for a night or few hours and he, unprovoked, just started spraying her. With all of the information coming out, his actions are a last straw against someone who has been making his life hell.
You presented this sensitive subject in a well-thought-out manner. It continues to be a frustrating subject where showing sympathy can get you in trouble or anyone for that matter, versus backing the city, or residents and businesses' frustration can equally irk the other side of the argument.
You missed showing all of the hostile architecture at the Church and Market Safeway where all of the concrete surfaces have bumpy metal grates on top of them! I've tried to pick up a quick sandwich and eat it outside but it's impossible! I've had to walk all the way over to Duboce Park -which isn't close - and try to find a bench! Worst thing was the very next day after the election to outlaw tents all over the place failed to pass! They were EVERYWHERE after that!
See? It affects regular people too, not just the homeless! And what if someone trips over that uneven surface, especially someone who is elderly? They could really get hurt! Sounds like San Francisco is setting itself up for a lawsuit!
@@AdamDoesNotExistunfortunately housing won’t help 99% of these people. They need to be institutionalized in mass for their own safety and the publics. It’s very obvious every “progressive” approach is not even an attempt to resolve the issue. You cannot just give housing to mentally ill people, a huge portion of which have intense drug addiction. They need treatment, therefore the solution is to build many, nationwide MASSIVE drug rehabilitation/homeless housing relocation centers and if they can’t be corrected through that program they do not get to interact with the general public. Ever. These programs also CANNOT be permanent housing solutions UNLESS they can prove they’re fitness for society. Granted housing is more complex than this however there’s literally hundreds of millions of Americans struggling right now and not everyone is homeless, therefore proving some people have serious issues that run deeper than just the average issues affecting society. The US and the world cannot afford the ridiculous, dangerous worldview of the left, progressive, communist, marxist, liberal approach to this issue. Not to mention the OUTRAGEOUS abuse that happens through any of these homeless programs which in reality is just a homeless industrial complex. Most of these organizations just steal billions of dollars and quite literally enrich themselves off of tax payer dollars meant to actually fix the problem. Enough is enough. California has done MOST things wrong since the 60s and unfortunately, because they think they’re smarter and better than everyone else they feel they should keep doing EVERYTHING from an extremist left wing perspective. The state is a disaster and yet they feel they should export this ridiculous mindset that doesn’t even work in California and DEFINITELY doesn’t work in the rest of the world. That’s what happens when people spend generations being in a bubble separated from the real world. In comparison to everywhere else on earth, California is NOT normal and they do not handle problems in intelligent ways. Been living in this state for almost a decade and it never ceases to be shocking at the ridiculous level of insane and stupid things that people think is normal and ok smh
It is actually been proven that is true. NYC did this experiment about a decade back now. Giving housing no strings. Kept the support service and what happen was once they got a home they started seeking help. Funny. Once the experiment end it was never picked up. So European countries have used to help with there homeless. It still works. So many of thing that Europe does is stuff we came up with first. But we have to many people here that think no one should get a hand out
Homeless people need to be held accountable for their own addictions and actions. Lots of times they don’t seek help and rather stay on the street, then end up setting up tents in areas they’re not suppose to.
Instead of working so hard to come up with "Hostile design," why don't ya'll work to come up with solutions for the homeless? Like, provide rooms for community work? Have them work around the community like for example clean up the streets for room and board. Just be creative. It CAN be done.
@@guyarrol582 Honestly, that was very good advice. And I comment here because I don't live there (thank God), and perhaps we citizens can help each other solve these problems. Unless you are an egotistical idiotic WOKE that makes everyone shut up unless they agree with them.
There's a really interesting article about a guy called Ralph who cleans a street in the tenderloin but doesn't want housing. He's one of a kind, or course: sfstandard.com/2023/12/16/san-francisco-homeless-man-cleans-street-7-years/
It's a freaking bench, it's there for people to wait for a bus, not for sleeping. If somebody doesn't like that, then maybe give your own apartment to the homeless people, and then you can blame others for not wanting to wait for a bus near a homeless person that's sleeping on a bench.
@@AdamDoesNotExistHollywood California just demanded a bunch of planters be removed or fines would be handed out… so technically yes, but I guess it might take longer to get to the more liberal sides of the state?
@@AdamDoesNotExist I think he means the benches are designed to be used for short periods of time. In other words, they’re not meant for sleeping or living, but for the people who come to bus stops to wait for a bus.
This is a similar concept to bird spikes that keep pigeons from landing on lamp posts, building eaves and other areas birds like to land on and hang out on.
@@spongeintheshoe it varies by city but; rehabs clinics, government programs, church programs, job opportunities, there are shelters ( have to be clean from drugs), food kitchens, clothing donations, hygiene kits donated, blankets, pillows, socks, etc. there are even charities like Chrysalis that will teach you how to make a resume and do job interviews, they’ll also arrange a ride to get there. make no mistake, there are so many people who want to help and are making real effort. many of the people living on the street do not want to get help. they want to keep using drugs and keep avoiding any of life’s responsibilities. it just makes everyone else’s lives harder. there’s no excuse.
I believe hostile architecture can be effective when done right. In a place with few homeless, it’s an annoyance. But in a city like San Francisco, it may help keep homeless people from claiming public amenities and space as their own. It’s nowhere near a solution to the problem. The government is doing practically nothing, but I do agree that hostile architecture is a good thing when implemented properly. It’s a by-product of a crisis that shouldn’t be happening in the first place.
Anyone who does not live here in San Francisco has no business commenting on if this is justified. It is up to us, the residents, to decide if we think it’s fair to treat OUR neighbors, OUR fellow residents, OUR homeless population like this.
Good Greif. Their not residents they are a liability . All the tents garbage urine and fecal matter the crime. Them shooting up and having hand out from the city. The appalling crime the fact they are completely above the law and they take precedence over people who work and pay taxes. All the violent crime they cause l could go on and on. Thats why l dint go to San Francisco anymore!!
In some other countries they force people doing drugs in streets to either go to a medical facility and get clean or they go to jail. It seems harsh but it works better than what we’re doing. They also offer better services though to help people get clean and get the resources they need to get back on their feet.
Ah yes jail, well known for "helping people get back on their feet"
Hostile architecture gets peole back on their feet by giving them no place to sit or lie down.
in the US, they cant do that rather unfortunately
This sounds good but what abt the ppl who are just completely broken from trauma and those who don't do drugs? Ppl are having to lie and say they are alcoholics and drug addicts just to get into rehab housing. Then ppl under 18 or even ppl who seem young can't get into these facilities because of the danger or the fact ppl under 18 have no rights.
If some do not want to work nor get help...😢 It's their choice! Let they go and stay in facilities as jail, special camps Or social services work rehabilitation🎉 facilities where they must work be housed get paid learn the value or money again😮or stay as the majority and or be hungry 😊. It is hard to fathom that other cities and governments Feds and States ALL give them MONEY to do NOTHING! So they prefer stay on drugs alcohol. Social services need to be firm, fair faithful, frank to get them of the streets. 😮 They are paid as NGO's. We can all help as church groups with food and clothing, showers. 😢 Caring and CHOICE ALTERNATIVES😮 to them. it's ashame what has happened Statewide, Federal Wise or world wide. ❤I love all my brothers and sisters of any fair faith none and persuasion. How do people let themselves go even as homeless. We allocate billions not just for defense and all other gambits and persuasions. There is so much waste. 🎉 How can we all help as this man suggests? You have more idea than I. Please go on to help or say kind word or speak up. 😮 there is much wisdom in Book of Or Proverbs BIBLE. I like San Francisco and Oakland and the BART system. So many were helpful to be there. I am from Boston and Los Angeles. Thank you so much for making this excellent video. There are more ideas🎉we all have to share. Thank you for everyone here.
Alright, speaking as a security guard in SF. A lot of my job is having to do crisis intervention, you hear alot of these people's stories and Im friends with people who were homeless for more than a few years but got back up on their feet. In my honest opinion, I dont entirely believe its just California's fault, its the entire country's. In most states, homeless are seen as just criminals, idiots who cant handle their own financials, and just drug addicts who never learned after their first overdose. After talking to these people, a lot come here because it really is genuinely still one of the better states to be in terms of social services. HOWEVER, Due to california's high cost of living, its hard for these people who have nothing to build themselves up. If say they went to Idaho or some other state with lower costs of living, and still had access to the same amount of services we have here, I genuinely believe it would significantly easier for them(the ones who really do want to be better) to get back up on their feet.
No ,people like to ACT out in loosey goosey SF..give them a job.
Homelessness is a nationwide crisis which has gotten worse since the pandemic. Housing has become less affordable in all states, and the waiting list for housing assistance is insane.
When I was homeless in Redwood City the AA used to come to Maple every single day. And all the literature was free. And they would take us to " normal " meetings and bring us home. Now there were like 50 women and 100 men at Maple. Would you care to guess how many clients bothered to attend those meetings? 15? 10? Ño. 5- on a " good " night. HOW are you supposed to provide services for people who...just don't want them?
@@bjb2099 BS. When I was homeless half of my fellow Maple clients were working.
@@wturner777 You see- the problem is in the word " affordable ". Say a typical apartment is $ 2000. And affordable housing is $ 1000. It's " reasonable "- but is it " affordable " for someone who's disabled and whose SSI check is say $ 700???
Imagine being called hostile when people are robbing you and living on your property. Get a clue.
It's public property though 🙄
@@Maxrepfitgmyes it is there to be utilized by the public as a whole, not to be a bedroom for a select group of people
@@mttcrs8044only some of us understand this unfortunately. Public is EVERYONE. Therefor there is no reason why I shouldn’t be able to access a park or walk down a sidewalk because someone else decided they didn’t want to move. It’s crazy to me that some people don’t see the irony in what they’re saying 😅
@@mttcrs8044 Or outdoors bathroom
Yep I agree but where are these people supposed to go? They can’t afford to rent a place so what’s the answer?
i am a waiter in Chicago i had to go out on to my restaurants outdoor seating area and try to stop two homeless people from fighting each other in front of my customers i dont have the answers to the homeless issue.i do feel less safe in my own city
Give them homes?
It is constructed to be a bus shelter, not a hotel room.
These people are homeless. Show some compassion.
@@Puggy42069Exactly. He’s probably some dumb fuck who makes 6 figures and doesn’t care about anybody else.
@@Puggy42069why don’t you house them then?
@user-oe7oe2fl8q What a nice and kind response that serves to add nothing to the conversation! Thank you!!
@@carotman065 you’re welcome 😂
I called this a long time ago.
If you deprive, lots of people of private space, public space will be degraded.
No one talk about preventing homelessness. Preventing homelessness cost less than that incurred to react to the problem. The estimated 7,500 homeless in SF negatively impact the $7.7 billion tourist industry. Crime, dirty streets, safety, who wants to lose their heart in San Francisco? What is it going to do to property values and the enjoyment of residence? Good governments are proactive, not reactive.
Well said!
Western governments are reactive. Once the problem is on top of everyone then they'll spring into action. But only if nobody in both houses disagree.n
There's an underlying mental health/ drug use problem the city doesn't have the resources to tackle.
@@MS-ut8fd Precisely, they don't have the resources because they weren't proactive to deal with these human issues.
lots of homeless are from elsewhere, SF gave lots of incentives to bring them in, so they came and now they can't get them out
Hostile? Passive aggressive at best. Can you blame them though?
Discrimination of economic classes at high and low at its worst!!! And lack of sympathy in the world these days
Yes, I blame them. It's now a well established fact that it is cheaper to buy them apartments than to keep dealing with the fallout of homelessness, yet they still choose policies that have INCREASED homelessness 12% in a single year.
@@spacecaptain9188 akak economic discrimination!!!
@@spacecaptain9188 heck ive for one alternative have designs for bus stops with soar wnd wind powered on the appartus to power cooling for summer and heating for winter and confort subway style benches even to sleep 7 sit on, and exercise bycycyel which can even add to battery as you cycle till your ride arrives .,etc even to designs ive been meaning to give out even starting with detriot to ny to francisco
My husband put planters full of cacti all around his shop windows to stop people from POOPING in his doorway and windows.
That's good. When I try to sit on a bench either to rest or wait for a bus, there are sometimes homeless people sleeping. Benches are supposed to be used for sitting for some limited time, not sleeping. It's the city responsibility to solve the homeless problem permanently, but are not doing it.
No city is doing this. Instead some cities and states would rather punish them than to take responsibility themselves and fix this.
Dude, the city does stuff like this specifically to get _out_ of solving the homelessness problem.
the glass is gone because people kept breaking them...
glass companies are using them to experiment with types of glasses. Gorilla and bulletproofed glasses are now used.
Yup. Vandalism was, and still is a huge issue.
That's what he said in the video.
Exactly!
If someone is throwing their own poop at you, you have every right to spray them with a hose. I understand having compassion for those who struggle with mental illness and poverty. Iv spent many days talking with and feeding the homeless. The problem is that our taxes are going to a billion different things we can’t even choose instead of going to housing programs and mental institutions to help a lot of these people struggling on the streets. Instead, people want to get mad at businesses owners for having to deal with a problem that shouldn’t even be theirs in the first place. Come guys, people being Holmes’s should be a right to impede that on everyone else. Like even the term “hostile architecture” is joke. It’s not hostile at all. It’s smart. Getting HEP C from a homeless person throwing a crack needle in your arm is hostile. Having people throw their own poop at you is hostile. An uncomfortable seat for a bus?… ingenuity.
Crack needle they use pipes not needles heroin user's used needles
Nobody who’s mentally ill is living on the streets.
Don’t conflate “drug addiction” with “mental illness”.
As a resident of San Francisco it sucks to have benches, bus stop seats, etc that are very uncomfortable. You don’t just harm the homeless with these things, you make it very unpleasant to live here. A new park was put in on a corner not far from me, and they put in cement blocks as seats but they’re studded with metal bars. Impossible to enjoy this park. Zero people sit there. I get that you don’t want to encourage people to use it as a place to sleep, but maybe we should enforce our laws and have laws instead of just wrecking the city for use by regular people too.
It's an absolutely *psychotic* position that we should make our cities worse for everyone, just because it happens to hurt acceptable targets the most.
It's straight up evil.
One guy with serious mental damage that he can't help, and no one else will help him with, "throws his poop at you," and in your warped brain, you think that has *anything* to do with making benches impossible to sit on? And hosing down everyone you please? Are you even listening to yourself? _Non sequitur._
The people that love to defend the homeless are never the ones trying to stop people from being homeless
Nah, they're the same people big dog. Imagine the inverse.
@@roastbeefy0weefyyou sure about that? The lgbtq center is participating anti homeless tactics and they’re the ones who are usually at the front lines of the whole support the homeless/help others movement. (This is not a homophobic comment, just an observation)
@@alexibarra4675 Yeah but you're treating a group as a monolith / strawmanning. It's good for a quick standup bit but doesn't really make sense. If the original commenter's point is true, then who does actually try to help homeless people? Those who hate them? Get real. Of course some people are all talk, but the group that isn't are still a subgroup of the group that talks about it.
@roastbeefy0weefy 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ just saying it's a little ironic. There's nothing to get real about. I have my opinion and my perspective, and I'm sticking to it, so it's harder for me to look contradictory than these people who say we have to help but take no action towards helping. I understand your point, but until people start to actually take action, they're just words. I support the anti homeless stuff because in my line of work, they're a nuisance and constantly create shitty situations for me or the people who work for me.
Or run a business being ruined by homelessness and crime. They just walk thru on their way to their posh parties and condos. 🤣🤣
Finally they do something that works. San Francisco has been bending over backwards for generations to help out the homeless and it never worked. Good for them
they were spending a billion a yr. or more on homeless, it didn't work
@@michaelsix9684because the ones who are supposed to “solve” homelessness would stop receiving billion dollar handouts from the federal government for their pockets if they ended homelessness
@@JellyAntz I agree totally. Govt. programs help lots of people running programs get rich but homelessness remains. They don't want to solve the problem and lose that payout.
SF gets most homeless people from elsewhere! The city has given too many incentives to draw them in. SF spends a billion plus per year on this problem. No success!
@@michaelsix9684It isn't necessarily that the cities are giving the homeless something that is the draw. Cities with the largest numbers of homeless tend to have fair weather conditions year round, along with giving them access to panhandling.
HAHAHA! Gotta love the politicians...always a bandaid ....never the cure.
This is why people are so upset. Plus the bandaid isn't that effective.
There is no cure.They enjoyed doing their drug.They won't stop
Good. It’s dangerous to have homeless camping and pooping all over the storefronts in the city. I don’t like stepping over needles either.
For sure! Also, safety of families with small children..
Yeah, and your comfort, as a shopper, is obviously more important the health and safety of the wretched people on the streets who have nothing.
After all, "If they'd rather die, then they'd better do it, and decrease the surplus population," as I'm sure you'll agree wholeheartedly.
@@RickJaeger Obviously, you are a woke liberal raving leftist, who is contributing to the ruin of the beautiful city
It's dangerous to hurt your own species.
What if all the effort to make homelessness invisible to tourists was directed toward actually doing something to help the homeless?
You mean like the almost 700 million a year the city spends on homeless services? Mostly distributed by non-profits who use it for failed policies that only exacerbate the issue like needle swaps?
There is literally every possible resource available for the homeless. They choose not to use the resources because that would mean getting clean.
Yeah….90% of people think these are a good idea. How dare these businesses build things to keep homeless from making escapements in front of their business.
@hamburglar83 you need to check your facts sir.
You aren’t 90% of people.
How dare we neglect ourselves.
Bus stops are intended as places to wait for your bus, not encampments.
Bus stops should be comfortable, not hostile.
@@nickshepard3136 cool opinion.
@nickshepard3136 I'm not scared of a hostile bus stop. I *am* scared of a hostile homeless man at my bus stop though
Bus stops don’t have to be comfortable. I’m standing there for 5 minutes max.
@@SpicyPeppercorn they also dont get some people arent "comfortable" with a potentially drugged out dude at the bus stop.
This is what happens when policymakers fail to acknowledge their own failed policies, i.e. tackling housing for the homeless, and instead do things like this that hurt everyone.
Thanks for giving Cathenge a cameo in your "Hostile Design" video which I think is valuable information people should be aware of since, as you point out, it is often cleverly camouflaged.
My art installation, "Cathenge", is actually a paragon of "friendly design". It's a sculptural installation that provides a space where people of all kinds are welcome to gather. It's been really gratifying to see that the installation has been well respected by everyone - including homeless people. From the beginning of its display, the homeless have spent time at the installation, but I've never found any damage or problems that I could attribute specifically to the homeless. Indeed, individual homeless persons have taken time to speak with me and convey their appreciation of the art, and the space it has created. I believe that if people put more creative energy into "friendly design" there would be a lot less problems on the streets. Creating inclusive art spaces that foster community is a great approach to more friendly principles in urban planning.
I should clarify that Cathenge has not been a homeless hangout especially. That's not what I meant above. Homeless people do visit it, but they don't dominate it at all. The installation has been shared by people of all economic classes as far as I can tell, and people of all races, nationalities, and religions. I think that demonstrates that if one does make a pleasant space it doesn't mean that the homeless are just going to take it over. That hasn't happened at Cathenge at all
Cathenge is amazing! There’s a handful of things in the video that aren’t at all hostile design. They’re just there between scenes because SF has so much cool stuff to see. Thanks for your work!
U call it hostile, I call it smart design. no one wants drug dealing in front of their houses.
Of course not. But the drug dealing and homeless issue is worse than ever. Whatever you call it, it isn't working.
@@AdamDoesNotExist Pretty much everything you showed in the video was new. And SF has cleaned up remarkably in the last 6-9 months. So why do you say that it isn't working?
The planters - new. The bus stops - new. The fare gates - new. The benches - new. etc. You get the picture.
Try living here with all the drug dealing and unhinged drugged up crackheads for a while then we'll see how you sing.
Imagine that you're allergic to oranges and get rush because of that. You try to make your skin look better by putting a foundation on that rush AND at the same time you continue to eat oranges and even increase the consumption.
It is a smart behavior? Hell NO. And that hostile architecture is the same. They spend a huge ammount of money to construct and install that and keep pumping housing prices up. There are 24 empty properties for 1 homeless person in the US. There is no shortage, just sheer greed.
The democrats do they don't care
@@AdamDoesNotExist The democrats don't care they seem to like it for some reason
Its About Time - Great Job......
You've got it all wrong! That isn't "hostile design" but smart and practical design.
OK, no one is safe from becoming homeless, including YOU
It's hostile.
tell me, when was the last time a drugged up homeless person contributed to the betterment of society... we all have responsibilities, why should they be exempted.
Jurisdictional responsibilities exist because of the people that in the community working together has high probability.for reaching shared goals
@OP
Now you saying an awful lot like Daigo Mentalist, a homefull Japanese course seller that loves paying customers but bashes homeless for being less worthy than cats.
I’m gonna point this out since people turn a blind eye to this factor in California.
This also depends on city, California has a very high cost of living, you may find homeless who have jobs, some being things like lawyers, doctors, and so forth, both notable and less notable jobs. The main factor is that they cannot afford a home.
Of course this does not exclude the drug addicts however, given Californias circumstances, homeless people with jobs do exist. Do keep in mind, that since they have a job, they’ll be at work and won’t be loitering around all day.
I’d just like to point that out, don’t always assume all the homeless as bad. It’s human instinct to notice bad things, for survival and safety, but because of that, we can neglect the more positive things, it just happens to be the bad homeless are very noticeable.
Lots of homeless people are full-time workers.
@@jerryudonneedtoknow3903 yeah you’re obviously smoking something. The cost of living here in California is high but not high enough that it causes a working person to be homeless. People can rent and don’t have to buy homes. If you’re working full time in California and you’re homeless, that’s by choice. If you live in a city like San Francisco, that’s by choice. A year ago, a guy I worked with who was getting paid more than I did and had monopoly over hours lived in his truck and loves to tell everyone he’s homeless. Don’t tell me that bs.
as a disabled person i hate hostile architecture because its not only preventing homless but also disabled people from being able to go out places
This is the part that people really struggle to understand. Hostile architecture makes those things worse for everyone. It doesn't do anything to fix the issues that lead to homelessness, and it doesn't even stop homeless populations from using things in a way they shouldn't be. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.
I'm not sure I understand the point you're making. Should the city and private property owners just welcome tent cities everywhere? In my experience most homelessness isn't due to poverty but a combination of mental illness and addiction. That usually means they aren't just looking for a place to sleep but also leave behind needles, bottles, human waste, on top of occasional harassment of people walking by. Why wouldn't anyone try to mitigate that?
This is awesome. 💪
if you make the city homeless friendly, you will see homeless people coming to SF all over the world. It's disaster. LOL
They already do. The city is extremely friendly to homeless people in some ways. But extremely unfriendly in others.
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Logical Fallacy Detected: Slippery Slope
"If you make the city homeless friendly, you will see homeless people coming to [San Francisco from] all over the world"
That's a leap of logic. Remember "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie"? You can't claim that making San Francisco homeless friendly will attract homeless people from around the world like they're fricking Muslims to Mecca without making the assumption that every homeless person around the world would necessarily want to go to San Francisco. What about NYC? Or Seattle? Or Los freaking Angeles? What about Kansas City? And that would assume they went to the USA. What about the UK? France? Germany? Heck, Europe in general? And that'd assume they could get to another country. You can't just state that with a 100% certainty. It'd probably only make San Franciso homeless friendly and that's it.
And if you are wondering, I typed this entire thing on mobile.
Why would I take any attempt of a statement seriously that ends with "LOL"?
I'm for it.
Also the reason that they don't have glass is because people kept breaking it. You'd have to be utterly uninformed to not realize that all the glass got broken, repeatedly, until they just stopped replacing it. They had to replace some stops dozens or hundreds of times if they wanted to keep the glass on them.
Yup. That's what I said!
@@AdamDoesNotExist no it's not. You said they should keep the glass there permanently. asdfljasdfaklsd1910 speaks the truth, man. Some of us have lived in the Bay Area a long time. We're all liberals here, but there's practical reality, too.
hostile architecture isnt just hostile to homeless people. its also hostile to disabled people as well. i wish there were more and better social programs to help.
The bus stops are for people going to work often early in morning or late at night. I fully support hostile Architecture. We need permanent against their will commitment for drug addicts.And I am one myself
"Houses are for living in, not financial speculation." ~ Xi Jinping
Just because he's a communist doesn't mean he's wrong about everything.
Sure, if Xi says it it's gotta be right 😏 China is a dictatorship and has its own homeless crisis.
So the residents and business owners had to spend their own money to put up planters, fencing, and grates with spikes to keep drug addicts from sleeping and defecating outside of their buildings. Can you really blame them? It’s the taxpayers doing part of the municipalities job. Now the city should start doing something effective to address homelessness and drug addiction.
I propose the ultimate in anti-homeless architecture: Build homes.
That would require them to get a job or hustle, and maintain a mortgage. Phahahhahahahaaha
@@Aw3someOpZ Not actually. People who can't afford housing can still be housed.
@@Aw3someOpZ many homeless people do have jobs, they just dont pass as homeless
when you have basic needs met you can be a functioning part of society eaier
Ah... but how do you intend on making people Behave ??.... and is it too much to ask that if. they are provided Shelter ... they Remain Sober ~ or is that Too much for you ??
@@michaelWells-ef9bx Their having shelter isn't preconditioned on anything. It's a human right, not a prize they win.
Once they have shelter it becomes vastly easier (and cheaper) to address their other issues, including drug addiction. This has been shown again and again where it's been tried.
good for san fran, make it clean again.
Hey Maga
That's never gonna happen until you get rid of Newsom and Breed!!!!!!! 👍🌉😱
I very much support homeless outreach, mental health, drug and alcohol treatment, job training etc. I don't however believe that anyone has a right to live on a public sidewalk and one of the worst trends we have seen is the normalization of homelessness and treating them as an oppressed minority
Well said fenian! The cowardice displayed by politicians all over the country regarding homeless bums is revolting and pathetic!!!!!!!! :( I remember reading about the prevailing attitude in San Francisco of being compassionate. Well, what about the homeless having to show accountability? :(
its the worst trend yet you all vote for people who dont care about it, left and right. homeless arent all drug addicts, and there are families who live in their vans now because the rent is too high.
Criminalizing homelessness is not the answer either. Giving someone a criminal record on top whatever other problems they have just makes it even harder for them to pick themselves up.
Wit respect, I live in a suburban area. I would not choose to live in an urban area where people could live outside my home and obstruct walkways with their bodies and/or shelters. I must pay taxes to live in a place. I must work to provide myself with food , shelter, clothing.
Who gets to decide how much I must pay for others survival and how much less I have to provide for my own needs and wishes?
Who gets to decide and by what right how much of my income is Mine and by what authority?
Going with the Proportion of an individual's income is required for survival (need) vs. wishes (everything else), what is the proportion of the income of the people who make these decisions that I must give up what is mine for other people's use without my individual consent?
Isn't it Theft to take what belongs to someone else?
I do not see hostile architecture.
I see a futile attempt to retain control of property from those who wish to steal its use from those who pay for it.
What is the origin of authority homeless people have to do what they want , where they want and not pay for it?
How does one keep shelters safe without endless 24 hr cameras and guards and on site police?
You decide how much money goes to this by voting for the people that direct your tax dollars how you want. And if you pay any federal or state tax in the US, your money is paying for these services.
@@AdamDoesNotExist With respect, I haven't seen or heard political candidates promise " I will take your money to fund schools,maintain streets and bridges and distribute the rest as a "come one come all" endless open house for people who are not paying taxes?
With respect, that politicians are voted into office and spend tax money as is useful to them does not answer the question of authority granted to homeless people to utilize public streets that they do not maintain by their efforts nor pay to maintain as their personal property.
I can pay taxes on a commercial property that no one wishes to visit because of the refuse from and bodies that must be stepped through to access said property.
In theory it is sensible to run one's personal finances as a business by not spending more than one's income.
Taking a small percentage of that gross income to provide "for the public good" is reasonable.
How is it good business to keep increasing the expenditure until an increasing number of people start to lose the ability to provide for themselves?
Thank you for responding to my questions.
I bet we agree on more than we disagree. None of this is good business. SF wastes so much money on all of this. I completely understand why there are so many planters on the streets. But they aren't working. I saw a few people sitting on them dealing drugs. Anyone who lives in SF has seen that. It's frustrating.
@@AdamDoesNotExist A lateral problem. Theory being everything, those voted into office do what they promise as opposed to what suits them.
In the past, political platforms were promises of actions to be taken as compared to now when the political rhetoric focuses on name calling and spending tax dollars to publicize each and every social faux pas while shielding or ignoring the inadequacy of role performance.
@@AdamDoesNotExist Yes. Problem solving is a skill. As with programmers and hackers, what one person devises another can destroy or overcome.
As with some others of my generation, I have grandparents who used outhouses as children and hand pumps for water at the kitchen sink.
I am fascinated with the question of what determines the rise and fall of prosperity in families.
Non-fiction is not my daily go-to, however, I read "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel recently and got "White Trash" by Nancy Isenberg from the "to sell" rack at the library and recommend them both.
Perhaps it is hardest for those such as myself whose families could have but did not fall into depths of poverty that sucked away all energy needed to continue striving.
And such musings do not solve immediate problems such as clearing streets of bodies camping out.
Acknowledging that there is no "magic" to make it all go away, what actions do you see as possible beginning partial solutions to this issue?
Thank you again for this discussion.
They use glass breakers to shatter the glass. The City removed the glass to prevent it.
If they make it more comfortable, they'll just make it a toilet
Hahaha. Anything can be made a toilet with a bit of creativity.
Which toilet would you suggest these people use?
@@ssbohio not our problem
@@TCskatesThey'll just poop in your grass then. Problem solved. 😂
@@TCskates Not our problem, but our responsibility. Public sanitation is a community responsibility, and has been since at least Roman times.
We need more of this design. I think the narrator's efforts would be better used working to solve the issue of homelessness rather than insinuating that people should give up public spaces for "tents" and "sleeping" areas. Homeless people often do not respect the property or the space of others. Perhaps, creating jobs, providing those jobs to the homeless would help. Perhaps, bringing back sanitariums would help those who do not have the capacity to work. This is not about how awful it is that people want to enjoy there spaces, but rather a government that has manufactured homelessness by taking away jobs, allowing costs to outpace earnings, and making it seem like homelessness is normal. Why was homelessness not such an issue decades ago?
I agree with a lot of what you said. Unfortunately this design makes is harder for everyone to use. You see more people than ever sleeping in bus stops. But now they're useless for everyone else.
Do you ever watch " News For Reasonable People"? Sean, the host echoes my opinion: this is not a "homeless" but much more so a "drug and mental illness" one 🙏.
@@SeanA.Skeete-wd4vi I’ll check it out! is that you? I agree mental health and drugs are a huge part of the issue.
answer to the last question, because of housing abundance, if that city wasn't stuck with fascists increasing their money numbers we would see same development as in Europe or for an actually human system we would see housing is human right approach & just build min 5 story apartments everywhere where single fam duplex or quadruplex stands now.
You don't need more of that design. You need more social housing and rehabilitation problems. And more affordable housing, not 24 empty houses bought for investment purposes for 1 homeless person.
And look at how much many goes on that design.
PS: Yes, there're still issues with homelessness in the EU, but it's not even close to the US numbers. Japan is closest to the solution. 0.003%
This video/attitude doesn't account for the silent but tangible negative externalities on most people who live in the city that the hostile architecture seeks to avert
During the early 90’s the fountain at UN Plaza wasn’t cordoned off. It was a regular sight when I took the bus to school to see the homeless and drunks peeing into the fountain. And sometimes tourist kids played there.
Let me ask you something, what is the top priority for city officials and for the city in general is it to be humane to the homeless people or is it to make life safe and comfortable for its law abiding/tax paying residents? More planters, less homeless please. As I write this prop 36 that makes stealing no longer OK again passed with about 70% in California. That’s an overwhelming majority. If you think that being humane to the homeless should take priority over residents feeling safe and comfortable know that you are without question in the minority. Empathy is essential, but empathy without reason is unsustainable. Have a wonderful day my friend❤
If you don't do that, the homeless will take over the bus shelters for themselves and build a shack there.
TBH - by your own definition, sidewalks and fences are hostile design.
Do you consider door locks to be hostile design, because they deter thieves?
@allergy5634 screwed over how?
Being homeless isn't illegal, and everyone has a right to exist.
You house, beyond that locked door, is private space; the public space is...well, public space. These designs lower the comforts of city's inhabitants, and they did not agreed to it.
Will you be fine if the government put booby traps or cameras in your house without asking your permission, all just to catch potential burglars?
@allergy5634how do they treat us?
@allergy5634 *I'm well-aware of how the US treats Veterans! Freakin' love it!!*
We used to go to California 6-7 times a year. We stopped. A lot of parks and Public places we wanted to take our family to had been overwhelmed by homeless tents, but that’s not the bad part. It’s the human pee and poop everywhere. A grown man just decided to a poo on the beach. Oh there were a row of Port a Potties like 30 feet away. 😂😂 CALIFORNIA.😂
I don't believe the design is just intended to stop homeless, it's to stop people from ruining/breaking/trashing any structure. SOmething is wrong with the culture as I just came back from visiting Korea and every corner, no matter it's the ally, bus stop, train station, underground subway, public bathroom) is pristine. Not a scrap of trash and super clean. Why US is like that...city of SF knows from experience that if they put in anything nice, someone (not necessarily homeless) will trash it.
Good for them!!!
wow hostile design sounds great. Why are you having a problem with it. You can't use a bus stop if there is a person sleeping there. You can't use a door if there is a person sleeping there. You can't tend a garden if there is a person sleeping there. So your saying that old people, handicapped people, children and women don't matter. Because you don't like hostile design. Mentally ill people are not sleeping on the street because they are poor. They are sleeping on the street because they can't fill out a form, clean themselves or show up anywhere on time. They can't take responsibility. And if they had an apartment they would not go there. Mentally ill people need a place. But they don't want to or can't fit in any rules. A city lives on its rules. And there in lies the rub.
I don’t think he’s saying it’s bad. He’s saying how the way they’re addressing it is inefficient and a huge waste of money. He’s capturing how nothing is working well and what ideas are being used.
Exactly! Thank you
@@dreamlaughwishful
"He’s saying how the way they’re addressing it is inefficient and a huge waste of money. "
No, it's not a waste. It's what We the People want. I grew up in the Bay Area and I agree with gladyskravitz.
Yes, we SHOULD help the homeless. That's absolutely true.....AND it's ALSO true that we can't make it easy for people to block transit waiting areas, doors etc.
The problem is that it doesn’t actually address the issue of homelessness, it just makes homeless people’s lives worse while consuming resources that could be spent on actually trying to fix homelessness.
@@spongeintheshoe
"The problem is that it doesn’t actually address the issue of homelessness,"
Neither does a municipal potable water system, but that doesn't mean you don't need it.
We should help the homeless AND WE DO. This is not trumptard land.
But we also don't want to be overrun by them.
I was a tourist in SF and vowed never to come back. Shockingly expensive and unsafe. Who needs that?
For the most part, this was shot downtown and near Market St. If you visit, those are the worst places to go.
Open asylum and force them to get help
Just goes to show you that government won't fix the homeless situation and they lack the skills to actually solve the homeless problems because they are more focused on keeping their lifestyle than doing their jobs
Socialist cities doing what they do best. Running their cities like a rathole, they create a “solution“ to a problem they’ve created in the first place 😂😂😂
How you help a good for nothing homeless addict if they dont want help we need more money spent on thesse even in canada the best way to help them is to force them or make living on the street such a hell that they go get help ps. More like make them get a job no 1 should spend a cent on thosse people
Stay in your lane Drake.
@@SebastienChouinard-oq8vj you say that like a homeless person can find a job to pay them enough to live in the city
@@taffinjones8641 are they forced to live therre if you want to live in the big aple dont expect to aford it wotking at a fast food place even a toddler know that..
You seem to be ignoring the reason why these are being constructed and you conveniently skip over the violent, hostile community that preys on the neighborhoods making it unsafe to walk down the street without being assaulted. If you are so alarmed, why doin't you invite them into your home?
San Francisco needs more hostile architecture
They need to bring it to Los Angeles.
You need your head examined.
San Francisco needs more love.
@@nickshepard3136 don't we all?
Many of the homeless I met claim that they were bussed to the city, often form outside the state. They say it was a bus ticket or jail. San Francisco gets criticized no matter what they do. I think in this area they have to fight back or the problems will keep getting worse.
When a society gets too permissive, this is the inevitable result. People take things farther and farther until places become unlivable. Your permissiveness is not compassionate. It's not "live and let live". It's allowing decline until society collapses in a long slide into misery for all. Only children don't grasp that concept.
Well said!!
Exactly. None of this has solved the actual problem. It only makes it worse. Now tents are in the middle of the sidewalk, planters are on the side, and everyday citizens have to walk around them in the street.
Oh no people dont want homeless people living on their land 😱 thats crazy talk. Anyways i dont see you houseing any of them your self to try and fix the problem
I think hostile architecture is a good idea. I worked in downtown Philadelphia and you couldn't cross the street without being accosted by pan handlers. It was intimidating to enter a store or restaurant because of men hanging around the entrances. I'm sorry for the homeless who are in that situation through no fault of their own. I support programs to get the homeless working and self sufficient. There should be more subsidized housing but there should be a work requirement. Enact old vagrancy laws and make those who refuse to work keep moving.
these are great!!! maybe someday i can move back to my hometown SF and walk down the streets without the fear of someone jumping out of the shadows and robbing me !! and use a bench/bus stop that's not reeking of piss and feces 🥳🥳🥳
Thanks so much for this video. What a difficult, sad, and complicated topic. I visited SF last year and just came back this month for a family graduation. I saw a large decline in homeless encampments. I was not sure why but understanding now what you raised makes sense. San Francisco is such a beautiful city and ALL of its residents are lovely, in their own special ways.
This is in no way the solution.
Say this works and homeless people wont be a bother in bus stops
Doesnt matter, they will be a bother in some other place
They are a homeless, they have nowhere to go, there is a place where they will be a bother in
The solution would be to give them somewhere to stay
And Im sure that in the long run that would cost less then revamping things like bus stops to be hostile
Yes the aggressive homeless druggies are very hostile.
I would argue the true hostility is homeless people refusing to stay in shelters and instead usurping our sidewalks and streets for housing.
"Our" streets belong to everyone, not just folks lucky enough to have a roof over their head.
People don't want homeless to stay on the sidewalks because it makes them feel unsafe. But homeless are expected to stay in a shelter where they don't feel safe.
I have been subscribed to you for a couple months now, and normally I’m a silent viewer but I want to express how great your content is! You always deliver quality videos, with well written scripts in a thoughtfully edited format. This video in particular sticks out to me as someone from the bay and aspiring to be a civil engineer for the city for the reason of helping eradicate hostile architecture or bandaid solutions - instead, to cultivate community and get to the root of what hostile architecture is actively avoiding to figure out. Thank you for sharing and I can’t wait to see what you have for us next!
Thank you! That means a lot to me. The work you're talking about it important. A lot of money is spent on symptoms in the bay area, not the actual cause. The result so far seems to be just a lot of frustration.
Great start. Keep it up and looking forward to more😊🙏.
I think until they actually do something to solve the homeless problem, this kind of architecture is needed. The idea of it sounds horrible, but the alternative is homeless people sleeping, pooping and peeing in the bus shelters making them unusable for the actual people trying to ride the bus to go to work. It's unsanitary and unsafe for the non homeless people. No one wants to sit on any public bench soiled up with feces by the homeless. And no one deserves to have their business that they worked hard on for years, destroyed by homeless people camping there. I think people are imagining the homeless as clean people with clean clothes and mentally sane living on the street because of falling on hard times and they just need a place to sleep. But that's not the case. I'm sorry for the situation the homeless are in but it's not fair to endanger non homeless people with the unsanitary conditions the homeless make places to be. I want to be able to go for a walk and then sit on a bench somewhere without worrying about feces or other bodily fluids being in the seat. I think people who complain about hostile architecture are those who do it from comfortable places where they have very little contact or experience with the actual real homeless. It is not pretty. They are dirty, not your I missed a shower today kind of dirty but weeks on end with no shower type of dirty to where you can see the dirt and filth on their skin to where they look like they have a tan, then they have strange skin conditions from living in the filth with open sores and stuff, smelly, unsanitary and mentally unstable. It's sad. It's the government that needs to bring back mental institutions or find some way to house those people.
Hopefully this “hostile design” makes people realize they can’t stay on the streets and helps them get off the street and get a job
No ones going to give someone who’s homeless and can’t get daily shower and clean clothes a job. Shelters don’t let you work jobs that’s hours go to late which is the jobs most homeless people can get besides the other shelter downsides like having to wait in line all day to get in. Most homeless people don’t want to be on the streets. You don’t seem to know anything about being homeless or the struggles of being homeless.
@zg3342 homeless don't want free shelter. Homeless shelters have curfews and monitor ur bags to make sure no drugs. Homeless want freedom to dondrugs
I assure you, they’re already acutely aware of that. It will not, however, help them get off the street or get a job, which is a shame because they’d probably appreciate that help.
OH duhhh see that was the problem all along, they just FORGOT that living on the street sucks. So helpful of you to remind them!! You fixed homelessness forever!!! Dum b ass
What? Normal people with homes already have a hard enough time hunting for a job in this country, Imagine someone who is homeless and dead poor.
You must be middleclass with detached takes like this.
Ah yes, fighting the symptoms instead of the disease
Like our health care system!
If the people who died in supportive housing in 2020, what percentage of them died from COVID? That said, sleeping on the street was probably safer in terms of avoiding COVID than sleeping in a shelter.
10:56 Those are to prevent skate boarders from doing stunts. This exists in various places around SF.
Great video Adam.
I think is a good idea what San Francisco Goverment been doing .
I have seen many documentry/ videos about homeless in San Francisco & California.
When i was in New York i have seen Homeless / druggy around . I think California is most highest when come to homelessness people. Sad to see what is happening .
American Government they must give free place for homeless to stay in empty buildings / malls . Make more rooms .
There is certainly a lot of work to be done!
@@AdamDoesNotExist agree with you. Have a great day brother.
Hugs from Malaysia
The Grapes of Wrath..
How on earth can you make a comparison. The Steinbeck's were decent hard working people. Who were escaping a situation completely out of control. Your going to compair them to violent crack heads😮
So sad..that this city has to do this. Definitely not solving the problem of honeless.
Looks nice in the hostile design areas. Good for those participating! With feces & needles comes disease. Who wants any of it?! So much better w/these hostile designs.
As someone who drove in San Francisco for Lyft, I can tell you that there are almost no public facilities. So, where are the homeless to do their business?
Most of this is downtown, and on market street, where homeless populations are more common. Those are the least nice places in SF. Everything outside of downtown it much nicer.
There are almost no public restrooms for anyone.
I think hostile architecture is GREAT! In fact why call it hostile? Just call it architecture. People shouldn't be camping out, doimg drugs & ruinimg a city.
@@xxzinks Not on footpaths, blocking taxpayer's homes, or in front of businesses, ruining their businesses. Perhaps in a shelter? Or a forest? Or an empty block of land somewhere?
@@Sammy-il1qf What if they work nearby? How would they get to their job from the forest or some "empty block of land somewhere"?
@denisemayosky1955 Those that work are living in cars, not doing drugs in front of someone's business 🙄
Your attitude is EXACTLY why the city has become a shithole. Suicidal empathy. Wokeness.
Most of those people don't want to work.@@denisemayosky1955
Shelters don’t generally let you stay past 7 AM, forests are dangerous, and empty blocks of land are rare nowadays.
First time stumbling upon your channel man. Great explainer, instant sub!
Amazing! Glad to have you here!
Trying to figure out why what that shopowner did was "not ok". Also trying to figure out why it's ok to say not ok.
Assaulting people is "not ok." That's what the shopowner did with his water hose.
When the story came out, none of the background on the lady throwing feces or his repeated requests being ignored was included. So people thought the lady was only there for a night or few hours and he, unprovoked, just started spraying her.
With all of the information coming out, his actions are a last straw against someone who has been making his life hell.
@@ssbohioHosing someone down vs throwing shit at someone. Sounds like self defense to me.
You presented this sensitive subject in a well-thought-out manner. It continues to be a frustrating subject where showing sympathy can get you in trouble or anyone for that matter, versus backing the city, or residents and businesses' frustration can equally irk the other side of the argument.
Yeah it’s really frustrating for everyone. it’s easy to pass blame around but one thing is pretty clear, the statistics are getting worse.
You missed showing all of the hostile architecture at the Church and Market Safeway where all of the concrete surfaces have bumpy metal grates on top of them! I've tried to pick up a quick sandwich and eat it outside but it's impossible! I've had to walk all the way over to Duboce Park -which isn't close - and try to find a bench! Worst thing was the very next day after the election to outlaw tents all over the place failed to pass! They were EVERYWHERE after that!
I filmed so much stuff that didn't make it in the video. Once you know to look for it, it's absolutely everywhere.
See? It affects regular people too, not just the homeless! And what if someone trips over that uneven surface, especially someone who is elderly? They could really get hurt! Sounds like San Francisco is setting itself up for a lawsuit!
you have to make it uncomfortable for homeless to just put up a tent. Will encourge them to get actually housing.
Unfortunately, it hasn't worked. And there isn't any more housing.
We'll never happen.They can't take their drugs with them
@@Wildman-zh8lg Why is that a requirement for housing? Wouldn't it be easier to recover from addiction disease if you had stable housing?
@@AdamDoesNotExistunfortunately housing won’t help 99% of these people. They need to be institutionalized in mass for their own safety and the publics. It’s very obvious every “progressive” approach is not even an attempt to resolve the issue. You cannot just give housing to mentally ill people, a huge portion of which have intense drug addiction. They need treatment, therefore the solution is to build many, nationwide MASSIVE drug rehabilitation/homeless housing relocation centers and if they can’t be corrected through that program they do not get to interact with the general public. Ever. These programs also CANNOT be permanent housing solutions UNLESS they can prove they’re fitness for society. Granted housing is more complex than this however there’s literally hundreds of millions of Americans struggling right now and not everyone is homeless, therefore proving some people have serious issues that run deeper than just the average issues affecting society. The US and the world cannot afford the ridiculous, dangerous worldview of the left, progressive, communist, marxist, liberal approach to this issue. Not to mention the OUTRAGEOUS abuse that happens through any of these homeless programs which in reality is just a homeless industrial complex. Most of these organizations just steal billions of dollars and quite literally enrich themselves off of tax payer dollars meant to actually fix the problem. Enough is enough. California has done MOST things wrong since the 60s and unfortunately, because they think they’re smarter and better than everyone else they feel they should keep doing EVERYTHING from an extremist left wing perspective. The state is a disaster and yet they feel they should export this ridiculous mindset that doesn’t even work in California and DEFINITELY doesn’t work in the rest of the world. That’s what happens when people spend generations being in a bubble separated from the real world. In comparison to everywhere else on earth, California is NOT normal and they do not handle problems in intelligent ways. Been living in this state for almost a decade and it never ceases to be shocking at the ridiculous level of insane and stupid things that people think is normal and ok smh
It is actually been proven that is true. NYC did this experiment about a decade back now. Giving housing no strings. Kept the support service and what happen was once they got a home they started seeking help. Funny. Once the experiment end it was never picked up. So European countries have used to help with there homeless. It still works. So many of thing that Europe does is stuff we came up with first. But we have to many people here that think no one should get a hand out
Homeless people need to be held accountable for their own addictions and actions. Lots of times they don’t seek help and rather stay on the street, then end up setting up tents in areas they’re not suppose to.
"Hostile" lol.
Ottawa is doing the same thing in there bus stop shelters...I see people piggy backing to evade paying transit fares all the time.
Thank you for all these GREAT IDEAS ! We'll get right on this.
Cheers from Canada.
Its not a home, its a bus stop.
Then give them a home.
More like "pragmatic architecture" !!
Instead of working so hard to come up with "Hostile design," why don't ya'll work to come up with solutions for the homeless? Like, provide rooms for community work? Have them work around the community like for example clean up the streets for room and board. Just be creative. It CAN be done.
You don't have to dislike what others are doing. Want you do it yourself instead of making useless comments period I think I'll take my own advice.
They don’t want to work, they are drug addicts.
@@guyarrol582 Honestly, that was very good advice. And I comment here because I don't live there (thank God), and perhaps we citizens can help each other solve these problems. Unless you are an egotistical idiotic WOKE that makes everyone shut up unless they agree with them.
There's a really interesting article about a guy called Ralph who cleans a street in the tenderloin but doesn't want housing. He's one of a kind, or course: sfstandard.com/2023/12/16/san-francisco-homeless-man-cleans-street-7-years/
Nope will never happen because they cannot take their drugs with them
It's a freaking bench, it's there for people to wait for a bus, not for sleeping. If somebody doesn't like that, then maybe give your own apartment to the homeless people, and then you can blame others for not wanting to wait for a bus near a homeless person that's sleeping on a bench.
ABSOLUTELY 💯
Not inhumane. Meant to be used for short periods of time - that's all.
Have you seen these design decisions reverted? Here in SF, that hasn't happened.
@@AdamDoesNotExistHollywood California just demanded a bunch of planters be removed or fines would be handed out… so technically yes, but I guess it might take longer to get to the more liberal sides of the state?
@@AdamDoesNotExist I think he means the benches are designed to be used for short periods of time. In other words, they’re not meant for sleeping or living, but for the people who come to bus stops to wait for a bus.
Thankyou for these explanations. I like your video production, great job!!
Thank you!
This is a similar concept to bird spikes that keep pigeons from landing on lamp posts, building eaves and other areas birds like to land on and hang out on.
Totally. I thought about doing a section about that and all the other forms, but left it out
there are so many resources available to homeless people, there’s really no excuse for them to be living on the street.
this statement has already been debunked one hundred million times
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@@spongeintheshoe it varies by city but; rehabs clinics, government programs, church programs, job opportunities, there are shelters ( have to be clean from drugs), food kitchens, clothing donations, hygiene kits donated, blankets, pillows, socks, etc. there are even charities like Chrysalis that will teach you how to make a resume and do job interviews, they’ll also arrange a ride to get there. make no mistake, there are so many people who want to help and are making real effort. many of the people living on the street do not want to get help. they want to keep using drugs and keep avoiding any of life’s responsibilities. it just makes everyone else’s lives harder. there’s no excuse.
The more hostile to vagrancy, the BETTER! Those business owners didn't work hard and establish credit so moochers could sleep there.
Finally they get their city back
I use the term "roofless, bum, derelict, vagrant, shelterly challenged", interchangeably
Really? Wow...that's so amazing bro.
Wow that helps a lot man. 😂
And what’s the point of that?
Please offer up your home for a homeless drug addict if your heart bleeds so unbearably. There's probably room in your kid's room.
The cool thing about homes is you can build enough for everyone.
I believe hostile architecture can be effective when done right. In a place with few homeless, it’s an annoyance. But in a city like San Francisco, it may help keep homeless people from claiming public amenities and space as their own. It’s nowhere near a solution to the problem. The government is doing practically nothing, but I do agree that hostile architecture is a good thing when implemented properly. It’s a by-product of a crisis that shouldn’t be happening in the first place.