Ivor Myers, Ellen White, and the Butchering of Genesis
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Get ready to uncover Ivor Myers's (@powerofthelamb) shocking misinterpretation of Genesis 3! 🚨 In this eye-opening video, we dive deep into how Seventh-Day Adventist Pastor Ivor Myers twists the foundational story of Genesis to infuse Adventist theology, focusing on the concepts of the Sabbath, the Mark of the Beast, and the investigative judgment.
Is the dragon in this story? Does the dragon work through a beast? Myers claims a threefold union of deception-Satan, the serpent, and Eve-mirrors end-time prophecy. But is this biblically accurate? Our analysis exposes the unbiblical and historically bankrupt interpretations that have misled many.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro: Ivor Myers
0:41 - The First Deception
1:39 - The Third Adventist Teacher
6:28 - Milton’s Paradise Lost
13:14 - Typological Foreshadowing of the End Times
16:28 - Satan’s First Deception: The State of the Dead
21:08 - The Beast Changed God’s Law
22:31 - Is the SDA Church Willing to Admit They Were Wrong
26:33 - The Investigative Judgment Twists All of Scripture
27:40 - Error Leads to Error
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
Man is a sinner (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8) and our sin has separated us from our Maker (Isaiah 59:2). In His grace, God entered into His own creation in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:19), born of a virgin (Matt. 1:23), and lived a perfect and sinless life, fulfilling all the Law’s demands (2 Cor. 5:21; Matt. 5:17), on a mission by God the Father to save sinners from condemnation (John 3:16-18, 6:37-40). He paid the penalty for sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and bore the sins of His people in His body on a cross (1 Peter 2:24), making propitiation by His blood (Romans 3:25). He died, was buried, and resurrected in the same body He died in on the third day for our justification (1 Cor. 15, Romans 4:25; Luke 24:39). By a living faith (James 2:18) in the Person and Work of Jesus (Romans 10:9-10), God graciously declares a person righteous (Romans 4:5), they are reconciled to their Creator (Romans 5:10-11), given Christ’s righteousness in full (Phil. 3:8-9), sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13), and have peace with God (Romans 5:1). They are born again of the Spirit (1 John 5:1, Titus 3:5), adopted into His family (Eph. 4:5-7), and are granted eternal resurrection life in Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11), set free to do good works that please Him (Eph. 2:10; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus will physically return one day to judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:5; Acts 24:15; John 5:24-5), throwing the wicked out of His Kingdom (Matt. 13:41-3), but His people will be spared from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10) to dwell in union with God forever (Rev. 21:3).
#sdasermon #endtimes #prophecy #sda #answeringadventism
The Presuppositions of SDAs is wild
I couldn't have said it any better! Thank God for plucking me out.
Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she GAVE ME OF THE TREE, and I ate.”
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression"
Here are a few verses:
Adam was not deceived, he listened to his wife Eve. Paul clarifies that Adam did not eat the forbidden fruit because of the serpent's influence. Meaning if Adam was with Eve at the moment the serpent spoke to her he would've rebuked the serpent. And neither man nor woman would've partake in the fruit. Look at 1 Timothy 2:14, he was not deceived, he purposely transgress God's command because he listened Eve instead of God.
This is actually woke me up to the lies of the SDA church. One night, I saw something about Adam being with Eve at the time of the first sin, which I was taught she was alone. I shrugged it off for the night and went to bed. But at 4 am, after a restless night and I couldn't sleep until I read the verse myself. Yup. The very first sin I was lied to about. It just spiraled from there. Now, I'm just sick to what was programmed into my brain. I'm seeking. I'm learning. Thank you for this opportunity. God put this purpose in you, and I thank Him for that. For the true Gospel. Chains are being broke.
3 fold union against Adam and the state of the dead, in Eden? My goodness, how Adventism twists the Bible.
The lesser light is definitely pointing away from the greater light because "he was there" is plainly written in the text.
Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she GAVE ME OF THE TREE, and I ate.”
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression"
Here are a few verses:
Adam was not deceived, he listened to his wife Eve. Paul clarifies that Adam did not eat the forbidden fruit because of the serpent's influence. Meaning if Adam was with Eve at the moment the serpent spoke to her he would've rebuked the serpent. And neither man nor woman would've partake in the fruit. Look at 1 Timothy 2:14, he was not deceived, he purposely transgress God's command because he listened Eve instead of God.
@@mikhailhunter5277 I'm not sure what your argument is. The scripture CLEARLY said
Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
You can choose to be blind all you want. Deception starts from the heart, could it just possibly be that God saw her heart and Adam was just being a sheep?
@@Tashana321 Yes, I know what it says but I'm not trying to argue, I'm hoping you can consider this verse. Try to picture the scene in your mind.
1Timothy 2:14 is very important context
"And Adam was not DECEIVED, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression"
Adam could not have been standing next to Eve and remained silent knowing that serpent is deceiving her, then watch her take the fruit from the tree, and eat it. Notice how its only Eve talking to the serpent.
Eve told God the serpent deceived her
Adam told God he listened to his wife that God gave to be with him as the reason he ate the fruit.
Adam is not being misled.
Just try to picture it, Adam not being deceived but standing there silently while his wife is being lied to by a talking serpent under a tree that God expressly told them not to eat from, and he's just watching his wife talk to a talking animal that says sure go ahead.
Does that sit right with you?
What man would not stop his wife from eating from a tree that he knows would kill her?
If you have significant other, don't you think he would slap it out of your hand, say something to the serpent, or do something before you ate it?
Seriously picture it
Adam was not deceived, it's there in Genesis 3
Lots of views on this. Was it really some actual fruit. Or just symbolic of a sexual nature.
@@user-zd3ti9vl8b heard that view as well.
I can't stand all this theatrical false information!!
We need to keep praying for them. They are lost sheep.
@@andybuli Are you representative of SDAs?
AMEN!! CA 🙏
AMEN!!! CA 🙏
I’m 1.5 minutes in. REACHING to the MAX!!! Let’s just make stuff up 🙄
Just. Making. Stuff. UP. 🙄🤦🏻♀️
As small of a detail this is, this is what precipitated the end of EGW as any kind of authority for me. My estimation of her has only grown lower as time goes on
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression"
Adam couldn't have been standing next to Eve when she spoke to the serpent, it doesn't say that in Genesis.
If he was, that means Adam, understanding completely the consequences of eating the fruit, and with knowledge that the serpent lied (1Timothy 2:14) would've kept quiet, watched Eve being lied to, watch her take the fruit and eat it.
Keep in mind also, that you only see Eve talking to the serpent, so in this video they are saying Adam just stood there quietly knowing the serpent was lying and waited for Eve to eat the fruit.
What man would let his wife eat poison if he knew it poison?
Noticed Eve said “The serpent DECEIVED me, and I ate.”
And Adam said "The woman you put here with me-she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it"
Adam is actually casting some of the blame unto God, but he NEVER claimed to be deceived. Adam is essentially saying "I ate the fruit because the woman you created for me gave me the fruit to eat."
I don't know why Myles picked this particular story, because the Adventist view can be easily corroborated by the Bible.
@@mikhailhunter5277 That IS what Adam did, which is why he was held responsible. Adam went passive and abdicated his leadership. That IS what the passage says.
@@jonasaras My brother put away your SDA hatred for just 2 literal minutes and try to consider this:
Would Adam have stayed silent standing right next to Eve while she was talking to a talking animal that is lying to her?
Keep in mind that Adam wasn't DECEIVED, that means he couldn't have been standing next to her.
Because, If he was that means he KNOWINGLY watched his wife being lied to about eating a fruit that would potentially kill her and said nothing and did nothing to stop her from eating it.
What kind of husband is that?
Picture this idk if you're married but imagined you're Adam, knowing what you about sin now, and you are standing next to Eve, would you stay silent as she being lied to?
Would stand next to wife, and allow her to eat the fruit?
Would stand next to her and not call the serpent out on his lies?
Would you stay silent, watch her eat it?
Think about it, Adam KNEW eating the fruit would result in death. If he ate the fruit because he listened to his wife, don't you think he would have physically stopped her if he had to if he knew eating it would result in death?
Scripture is does not state where Adam was when Eve was talking to the serpent. But he wasn't next to her, because only Eve was speaking.
Genesis 3:6-7
New International Version
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
@@keyatao-qi3og You can go somewhere with someone and be separated for a couple minutes. Like going to the movies and the person you're with goes to the bathroom.
All I'm saying is... if Adam was standing right next to Eve the WHOLE time, that meant he KNEW the serpent was lying (1 Timothy 2:14) and watched it lie to Eve. And then he watched Eve about to eat something that would kill. Stayed silent, didn't attempt to stop her...
Myles you can even determine its pride because even in the assumption that it was a great disappointment is appalling. Who disappointed who? The way it is framed its as if Jesus promised them something unique, outside of his word, some secret occultic like prophecy and he did them wrong and didnt come through on his end. The Audacity. The great disappointment is just them blaming God for poor explanation of his word, bad scribing and translation but NOT poor interpretation..They could never be wrong.
Life and scripture have synchronicities and patterns but Ivor is a master at making whatever
pattern he wants to see, wherever he wants to see it.
There is this thing in Adventism that I have observed, if one has a point and determined in that point, working in all due diligence toward that point, no matter the underhanded dealings, or lies, or manipulations going on in the background by the movers wanting the point, but pray about it within the congregation because they need more prayers and want the people on board for the same point the hierarchy are working toward; and when the point becomes reality they will all claim that God mightily answered their prayers, the background dealings are never known by the members. The members will thus once more be bamboozled into believing that God is on their side. The hierarchy will continue with the point they are working for and had been working on and planning and they probably even (at least some) deluded themselves as well to believe it was God who made the point manifest.
Wow he is theatrical like a modern day mega church Pastor entertainer.
So nauseating. Shows a lack of respect for the office and role of what a pastor is supposed to be.
Several "Word of faith" preachers repeat this extrabiblical fanfic in similar theatrics.
So many people talking against the SDA church. The devil is behind the group of people who have decided to uphold God's 10 commandments so that everyone will shun the truth. But God has a group of people who will always be loyal to His commandments
@@marcellinamacha1870 “so many people”
You realize there’s billions of people in the world right? If you think so many people are focused on the SDA church, you live in a bubble.
But unfortunately this is the sort of engagement we get from SDAs-no actual engagement, just sloganeering and assertions.
The SDA church doesn’t keep the commandments of God. lol. The SDA church has a false god and preaches a false gospel which is the equivalent of spiritual murder. You’re kidding yourself. The devil loves the SDA sect as it is divisive, deceptive, and its teachings send people to Hell.
That man has some serious problems that face he Made was so cringe 😮
Painfully so
Yes agree, I got goose bumps, I saw Satan's face in him.
HYPOCRITES AND BEYOND WORDS
It's really strange watching Adventists imitate the neo-hipster Seeker Sensitive style preaching with their message. It's a strange form of cringe, compared to the usual plain vanilla traditionalist Adventist message that is full cringe. But it is still cringe, but it gives me flashbacks to seeing short videos from a local church when I lived in the greater area of Charolotte NC (Elevation Church, Steve Furtick).
As my late Mom would say: It's regusting. (A coined word that meant: It's disgusting again & again & again...)
Its funny as I read your comment and when you mentioned "imitate the neo-hipster Seeker..." I rumbled through my mind, Copeland, Hinn, Joyce Myers, Olsteen, and just as i hit Furtick is when I saw you mentioned Furtick.
Yes great observation. Next thing they will be crazy dancing during church service. Wait till they start dancing like this video short. ruclips.net/user/shortsvcLNca8TOcI?si=cVzQVFL9EPmJ5_ua
@@terrygreenman1540 lol strangely enough that dancing is old school Penteostal! I only know that from being in the Charismatic Movement in the 90s. As far as "Word of Faith, and what is called now "The New Apostolic Reformation". The hipster is more like Furtick. Their actually is a great church parody video that really nails it that I tend to post. Check this out! ruclips.net/video/-egY6t9BMGI/видео.html
@@terrygreenman1540 LOL some of those phat bois need to dance harder 😝
@@PavelMoskoLol I h8 those "Sunday Mourning" type theatrical productions! So manipulative. Out of curiosity I went to a well-known megachurch in Socal (name nor pastor cannot be mentioned on this cite w/out being auto-deleted 🤔) that was so big it had several circus tent like "venues" scattered around in addition to the main sanctuary - each having its own musical "style" (hipster was one) & for awhile (when they were still having Friday night services) they even had one that featured country music & line dancing 👀👁👁 Cannot make this stuff up.
These pastors care more about platform, ego, and their own personal agenda than the actual word of God. So sad.
The Genesis account is a Super Natural event that was and only done by God Almighty that any man cannot twist around. EW clearly mocks God in doing so like all SDA members too snd yet pretending to look good.
Lord help them. They have taken the Bible and twisted it to fit their beliefs
Can you share the link to Milton’s “Paradise Lost” ?
You can find it here on YT. The full version is 10 hours long. Or you can listen to (much!) shorter summaries. I'm going to tackle the entire thing at some point, but right now am listening to summaries & commentaries to get a running start on comprehension. Apparently he used very flowery non-standard English grammar (putting verbs at the beginning of sentences, for example, so it's difficult to tell which subject/noun it's pointing to 🤔), so it's difficult to understand even though written in English.
SDA is full of presuppositions, additions, and twisting of scripture.
My ears are bleeding listening to this "sermon" more like indoctrination series.
@@HardPumpers I don't think so
Is that a true picture of EGW or did someone photoshop that on her head?
The theatrics are disgusting.
Yes & it almost seems an admission (via body language) that he knows he's being duplicitous 🤭🤢🤮
😂😂😂😂😂 funny I said the same thing.
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1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression"
Adam couldn't have been standing next to Eve when she spoke to the serpent, it doesn't say that in Genesis.
If he was, that means Adam, understanding completely the consequences of eating the fruit, and with knowledge that the serpent lied (1Timothy 2:14) would've kept quiet, watched Eve being lied to, watch her take the fruit and eat it.
Keep in mind also, that you only see Eve talking to the serpent, so in this video they are saying Adam just stood there quietly knowing the serpent was lying and waited for Eve to eat the fruit.
What man would let his wife eat deadly poison if he knew it was poison?
Noticed Eve said “The serpent DECEIVED me, and I ate.”
And Adam said "The woman you put here with me-she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it"
Adam is actually casting some of the blame unto God, but he NEVER claimed to be deceived. Adam is essentially saying "I ate the fruit because the woman you created for me gave me the fruit to eat."
Which is why the LORD responded to Adam saying "Because you have HEEDED the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it"
God is saying you listened to your wife instead of me, you disobeyed me. Adam was not deceived folks, however Eve was
I don't know why Myles picked this particular story, because the Adventist view can be easily corroborated by these verses. I know many of you will see his view on this but the reality is, he hates Adventist. But if you really take the time to consider my points you'll realize that there is something to what I am saying.
Answer to Cornelius: When Adam decided to follow Eve, at all costs, he was without sin. After he ate of the fruit, his love for Eve was never the same. They started to blame each other for what happened. A bitter sadness settled in their hearts. Peace and security have been replaced by anxiety and fear. The bitterness of their minds made them resent each other. Satan rejoiced because he had succeeded in destroying their happiness.
A capsule recap of Milton's "Paradise Lost" 👏😂 Good job
Of course nothing like that can be found in scripture.
What a strange teaching.!
Is this the same Sam Frost that was once a hyper preterist?
Yes
On 12:50 can you share the quote where sdas claim that they needed an infallible interpreter of the Bible? I was looking for it but I have not found it. Thanks
answeringadventism.com/is-ellen-white-is-the-infallible-interpreter-of-scripture/
@@answeringadventism thanks much. This citation is crucial. I added it to my notes, citing your page. I didn't find it on the egw website nor did chatgpt find it. So thanks.
So will someone please give me the background on this kid and why he hates SDAs so much? Was his feelings hurt by an SDA? I just don’t understand why his hatred is so strong that he would devote an entire RUclips channel to disparaging a group of people.
I’m not a kid. And you can read our 5 sentence mission statement to receive your answer and clarify your bad misunderstanding.
Well I apologize. At my age, anyone that looks as young as you is a kid. I should have said “young man.” And I’ve read your mission statement and comments on your web site but it doesn’t tell me what happened to you and why you are really doing this. Anyway I hope you have found peace.
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What does that have to do with this channel though?
@@Ana_________Karenina_________ I believe the Adventist/abortion issue was mentioned very briefly in passing?
They watch their health for the strength to murder life in their womb😂😂
Sure
beautiful writings by EGW
Adam had to have been drawn to the tree by Eve, because he clearly had no intention of partaking of the fruit, except for the encouragement of Eve. Adam was not deceived, as stated in 1 Tim 2:14.
Adam was at the tree because of Eve.
Although Ellen White has skirted around this, she has brought attention to the influence that Eve had on Adam.
There is no scriptural support for that scenario/ imaginings. Very strange indeed.
That scenario was drawn directly from John Milton's "Paradise Lost," not from Scripture.
@@kimartist
Yes, very strange.
The adherents of SDA are very much akin to the adherents of Watchtower.
@@mattmurdock2868 Adam was at the tree because of Eve. There are plenty of biblical truths, even scriptural gems, that are not stated black and white.
@@adrianmuir2026
The Bible will not support your beliefs.
Wow. This is a prank right? 😢 What these two guys are accusing Ellen White and Ivory Myers of they are doing the very same thing. This is comical. It must be a new style of religious comedy for Christians.😂
So true the SDA church is a comedy of errors, EGW is there prophet and Satin is there final atonement 😅
@@davidmarham9272 I think you misunderstood my comments. What I meant was those who are attacking Ellen White and Ivor Myers and what they are accusing them of they are doing the same thing. This is a joke that other Christians will attack other Christians and then expect people to go to there church. This attacking of SDAs is old and tired. Jesus says love God and Neighbor. It also says love your enemies. For any Christian to attack other Christians or people is wrong. Christians expose false teachings and in love try to go to address false teachers privately first and then address them and their teaching openingly. What I'm hearing is a bunch using and attacking SDAs and Ellen White to try to justify personal, tradition and denominational worldview that are not even biblical. I agree with exposing the false teaching, but attacking people no that's not biblical. Jesus said beware of the leaven of the Pharisee. Then Jesus presented truth, biblical truth to show the people why. I'm waiting for the biblical proof to show Seventh-Day Adventist where SDAs are wrong. I'm sick of hearing people saying Ellen White said this and Ellen White said that but what about what Jesus said. I have found more Non-Adventist talking about what she said and not pointing out what SDAs believe biblically. This is disingenuine. They are not being honest. If we are Christian let us all come together and study together instead of rearing each other apart. It shows how much we really know about God when we do this.
God holds Adam accountable because he sinned knowingly, out of too much love for Eve. He felt that he would not be able to live without her, and so he consented to share the same fate with her. You do well to read from the wonderful inspired books, for many have not read them. Thus through you, perhaps many will be prompted to take up reading. Especially books aimed at the fulfillment of prophecies that are clearly taking shape in our days!
Your comment not thought out.
if Adam ate out of love for eve ,he would have said that to God. Instead, He blames Eve and says “the woman you gave me “. You don’t throw people under the bus if you love them. Especially your wife.
So Adam loves Eve so much he is willing to die, but then he throws her under the bus??
@@Sotmh21 He's par-roting Milton's "Paradise Lost" without realizing it. I just listened to a 40-minute summary of it last night & EGW followed the plotline almost verbatim.
Nothing like that can be found in scripture.
Adam was present for the exchange between Eve and the serpent, he should have intervened then, but did not.
The teachings from SDA and Watchtower are almost identical, and both cults put their own spin on scripture.
Well obviously, just as many men are today.
Before you guys continue on with all these, first answer this - WHO PUT THE BOOKS OF SCRIPTURES TOGETHER (omitting some) WHICH NOW BECOMES THE BIBLE?
Myles you the the BEST. I like you so much
ok so Catholicism did hold out its hand to Protestantism
So that therefore proves this wild botching of Genesis 😂 oh brother…
She has a great imagination 😂😂😂😂😂
Ellen was a demoniac.
Even beyond Milton's mind 😂😂😂