William Burns no.. only stupid OT elistist hate the prequels.. speak dor yourself. I was born in the 90s ok but I grew up most of the time with the OT . I never realized there was a Prequel until the releas of ROTS. and guess what. i loved them.
George Lucas should hire a good writer, tell him the whole story, discuss it with him, then have the guy write it down as a book. SW fans would love to read it.
Well, I don't know if it would work, but I would like to see a different kind of menace. Not a new empire. And see Luke's academy, some students, a new direction. Now it's just a reboot of the same story basically.
They could have the Yuuzhan Vong attacking the Galaxy or since they changed the canon, let the Siths from outside the Galaxy attack the New Republic. It doesn't make sense that they'll turn into a small "Rebel" group, after establishing their Government. Heck I thought Snoke was someone from the time of Emperor Vitate.
The sequal trilogy should've been more about the yuuzhan vong invasion and the destruction it brought. Stay with the characters from the new Jedi order novels kill off both han and chewy then maybe the fans and performers alike will find joy in the story.
@@claytongunter171 Exactly, this would have been amazing. And then they could have released an animated series like the clone wars set in the period between Episode 6 and Episode 7, with the New Republic fighting against the Empire's comeback under Grand Admiral Thrawn
The PT are UNDERRATED MASTERPIECES!!!! Disney and Kennedy don't know shit about Star Wars!!! I have no doubt that Lucas's ST would have also brilliant!
Alec Guinness said it best. “The dialogue was rubbish and it overall poorly written but there was something about the script that kept you reading, and thats something that every movie/writer needs ”
@@stevensteven3417 I concur. If only we had seen one wholesome masterpiece by the creator of Star Wars. I cannot believe they threw out this for the utter mess we have instead.
THOR should Stop saying Lucas only recently thought of finishing & creating the sequel last trilogy THEY WERE THERE FUZZY IN HIS HEAD FROM THE START or atleast ESB BECAUSE MARK HAMILL STRAIGHT UP SAID LUCAS ASKED HIM TO COME BACK BY 2000-2 and BE LUKE FOR THE FINAL MOVIES!
It's funny how people want George Lucas' version of movies post-Return of the Jedi but when George Lucas released movies in his vision (prequels) people criticized him harshly to the point it discouraged him. I'm not saying the prequels were perfect (bad dialogue, quantitizing the force/demystifying the force) but I would argue a huge amount of the hate come from nostalgia. Going back to my main point, now that fans see what Disney has done with the franchise, they want George Lucas back. As the saying goes you don't know what you like until it's gone. As Palpatine and I would say to fans wanting George back: "Ironic"
BOB IGOR RUINED STAR WARS NOT JUST KATHLEEN What I mean is in the original trilogy, there wasn't a concrete explanation for the origins of the force. Yes they explain the force is the energy that binds all living beings but that explanation left your imagination free in what the force actually is which is what touched many fans in my opinion. One of the lessons Luke learns is to not judge by size because the force can run in someone powerful despite their stature. Remember he didn't think Yoda was the great Jedi master because of his behavior and stature and thought he couldn't lift the X-Wing. When the prequels came around, they brought up the idea of midichlorians. Essentially a powerful force user would have a higher than average midichlorian count. This way of quantizing the force takes away what made the force special for audiences. No longer could you believe that you could be a jedi with hard work. Now it's a matter of how many midichlorians you have in your body. I think because of this is why people hated the prequels (among other reasons).
MrGamefan77 think of midichlorians in Jedi's as chakras being more aligned and attuned to some people more than others. Spiritually stronger individuals. And i think thats what midichlorians are in a sci-fi sense chakras or the science of consciousness and its connection to the cosmos. George Lucas did take a lot of inspiration of the Force and Jedis from eastern Asian philosophies. Im a Hindu and i even recognize that the film has narrative elements from the Hindu epics the Mahabharat (the civil war that brought the age of kalyug we live in today aka the age of the dark side empire) and the Ramayana (esp in the end of the Ramayana there are twins who go to battle a king who they believe wronged their mother and the kingdom but did not know the king was their father Ram cause the guru who trained them to be warriors kept that a secret from them.) Sounds familiar right? Very fascinating
"Each star wars movie spent roughly 10 min explaining the Force." -George Lucas in the ESB commentary From what i can recall off the top of my head, TPM explained how and why Force users can tap into the Force. AOTC explained some of the ways Jedi control the Force (spiritually control not physical) and resist the dark side. ROTS explained a bit about the differences between the Living Force and the dark side of the Force as well as how the dark side is nurtured and used, and that midi-chlorians are literally the key (while the Force itself is the lock) to life. ANH explained what the Force is. ESB explained how and why Jedi use the Force and thr danger of the dark side. And ROTJ explained that the dark side is not inescapable and that attachments are not as entirely bad as AOTC and ROTS made them out to be. Bit by bit George gave clues and explenations into what the Force is and how it works. Which you have to do with any magic system in a story otherwise it becomes a clusterfuck of contrivances and Deus Ex Machinas. like what's happening with the Sequels.
The other thing I didn't like about George Lucas was his stupid edits of the OT. Adding in Jabba the Hut to a New Hope in a poorly edited scene with terrible CGI lowers the quality of the movie for me. The CGI additions to the OT are terrible.
You must really love midichlorians to want an entire trilogy on them and the microbiotic world. It sounds like a Star Wars version of Pixar's Inside Out.
I don't understand what's Star Wars fans' problem with midichlorians. What's wrong with having a defined mechanism to the force? It sets limitations and explains things. Right now the force is far too random for my taste. Rey walking around doing anything she wants without any considerable training, force ghosts meddling with physical world - raising space ships and summoning lightning, why don't they kill palpatine themselves?
I could definitely see why a lot of fans would totally hate this, but I actually find it really interesting. I really hope we get access to more of his notes in the future.
At least his ideas were original, as we saw with the prequels, even he said he didn't want to do the same thing over again. But Disney surely did, another death star, a bunch of rebels trying to save the galaxy, and in this last movie is all the same again, but bigger and over the top.
You call going back to the same planet (i.e. Tatooine) over and over again, and having things like another less exciting asteroid chase, being original? Even he infamously said "It rhymes", meaning that he's making the same things happen over and over again.
@@white-dragon4424 Yeah that’s intentional But I see both points here On the one hand he revisited tattooine in all 3 of the prequels movies But then he adds the galactic politics, the Jedi in their prime etc etc, forevery callback he made me made something original Tattooine 3 times , you get coruscant kamino & uetapau etc etc etc 🤣 the prequels suck ... but they are also pretty good
@@white-dragon4424 Over and over again? Luke lived on Tatooine because uncle Owen lived there. Thus Anakin needed to live there at some point. Jabba lived on Tatooine and he captured Han so we needed to go back there another time. Anakin went back to find his mother and Obi Wan delivered Luke to Owen. We went there because the story demanded it. We also see different things when we return to Tatooine, some new world building that we have never seen before. In episode 6 we see Jabba and the criminal underworld. In episode 1 we see the pod race. The asteroid chase is also very different. In ESB the villain hunts the heroes, in AotC the hero hunts the villain.
@@Grivian Firstly, Owen was only acting as Luke's uncle. He was originally Obi-Wan's brother, and not a real relative of Luke. Secondly, it wasn't set in stone in the first two movies where Jabba was from. He could've been from anywhere. Lucas only set him on Tatooine in ROTJ because it was an easier choice rather than locating him on some other alien world.
@@white-dragon4424 The choice was to either create a new barren planet or go back to Tatooine that actually made sense because Jabba was supposed to be there in ANH. The choice was simple. Unlike disney, George Lucas doesn't like to create poor copies of already established worlds. That is the problem here, not reusing worlds (which George didn't do often). Creating new worlds that are copies of Tatooine or Hoth, and not memorable or important in the slightest. Owen is not a real relative to Luke in the movie either, but what he originally was is something that you made up I think
It makes sense if you stand back and look at what Episode 1 was setting up. I'm sure Lucas didn't create midichlorians just to have them mentioned in a single movie. Also I agree that had the prequels not been recieved so negatively that Lucas just may have finished his version of the story.
I agree with both your statements. Lucas didn't throw midi chlorians in there on a whim. He had a plan and a purpose for them. One I think he would've carried out had TPM not gotten so much hate...
The funny thing is, the midi-cholrians were actually always a part of Star Wars. They were even in the original treatments Lucas was writing back in 1975, with the same name and everything, along with many other details of the universe and backstory.
Lucas sequels would be controversial and great in the same time, like all the original 6 Star Wars movies had been. Now, we have just garbage. Great job, prequels haters.
@@carlosribeiro2413 They are all substantial: the imperfections were just flaws inside a beautiful picture. It's like the first 6 seasons of Game of Thrones compared to the last ugly one. The Disney movies of Star Wars have no picture at all.
@@carlosribeiro2413 People always jump on the bandwagon criticising that line. Not every line of a film has to be like deep, meaningful poetry. It's a perfectly acceptable line. Whether it needed to be included at all is another debate, but it's not objectively bad. In fact I totally agree with it
@@ethantohill7072 I like watching them all but saying the phantom menace is good is a stretch ,saying it's great even more,just because Disney's movies are weak that doesn't make the prequels great
I really liked those episodes. It sets up the midichlorians and explain them in such a way that I'm sure many fans who disliked the idea would have felt relieved, and enjoyed the actual concept and the new stories, had Lucas continued them.
@@tusk1142 that's not my point this idoit said they are better than the originals like HOW?? episode 1 and the first 2 acts of episode 2 are extremely boring the only movie that i enjoyed was revenge of the sith ( as a kid i liked all 6 but now i only like 4 ) edit : as much as i fucking hate the sequels they are better than the prequels as individual movies
Jay Chimpanski The people who viscously attacked those movies basically scared Lucas away. The pre-quels weren't perfect but they were still good movies.
Lucas learnt from his mistakes. He was always the genius story teller, the idea man, but the execution was his weakness. He learned that the very hard way with the prequels , if he just had had somebody to bounce of his ideas,someone who understood his vision and could execute it well,and thats what happened afterward..and the result was Filoni and the Clone wars ! Just imagine, this relationship growing over the years, and imagine what those two guys could have done with star wars by now. And as we can clearly see, The clone wars was leading up to the new trilogy 7,8 and 9 and the Whills. Season 6 Yodas final episodes introduced the Whills further, and they were as mysterious and fantastic, as you could possible imagine ,very intriguing. I my self belive in Lucas and his ideas, he is so creative, the driving force behind star wars, it was always about the story, not about any political agendas , marketing or money. It was about telling a story. Again, as you can clearly see with clone wars, finishing 2 and a half seasons of un aired episodes ,ahead already. Stories that he wanted to tell. Not looking at ratings or whats so ever. The man had a story to tell, Disney...Disney just has an agenda to follow. Stories do not matter. Star Wars were his children, he said so him self. So I believe, the Whills would have been fantastic and not as terrible as many try to make it. And the mediclorians ..they just like moths in the dark, attracted to the light...that is the force. The brighter a light shines..the more are attracted. The stronger you are in the force, the more you attract of those bacteria like mediclorians ! Nothing bad about mediclorians, just his way of explaining it..was not very well executed ! I want George back, he and Filoni together would have killed it.
He had a writer's room and art department set up to bring his episode 7 to the screen. It was Disney that got rid of him and did not want any of his ideas.
Oh, "how they fought to bring back democracy to the galaxy" is very political. Obviously democracy is the source of creativity and a political agenda. Just not propaganda, which kills stories.
The deal is that he DID have those people to bounce ideas off of-the cast and crew of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. If you watch some interviews from the late 70s and early 80s, it’s clear that some of the ideas and lines he came up with would NOT have gone over well with an audience, and the cast and crew would point these ideas out (Harrison Ford wanted to tie George up and make him read his own lines at gunpoint). The problem with the prequels was that the success of the original movies gave everyone so much respect for Lucas that everyone thought he was a genius and if an idea sounded weird, it would all come together well in the end. So nobody questioned him. He didn’t have anyone to tell him that certain ideas were great while other ones sucked. So while we got pod racing, count Dooku, and the “birth” of Darth Vader, we also got Jar Jar Binks, the sand monologue, and Darth Vader’s NNNOOOOOOOO!!!!
Ryan C That claim was undoubtedly damage control done by Lucasfilm once people started turning on TLJ. Even so, Lucas himself wasn't there to properly guide it, which was the main problem.
I‘m so sad that George thinks this way of the fans when most of us love what he did. Like I do... I love the prequels 🥰 so sad he never got to finish the story, though he could’ve and now in the wake of Episode 8 should‘ve done.
Just a connection I noticed when I first read about George's sequel ideas. It certainly goes along with the themes of Christianity woven throughout the original 6 SW movies.
Collin Caperton it is but he is the director and he fucked up the dialogue, love story, characters. The lore is great but that’s not the issue. He created three films which are pure memes
Wineke de Jong right now I’d take pure memes over what we’re getting, yes the prequels aren’t perfect but atleast there’s a story trying to be told and trying to fit into the universe rather than just basically saying ‘fuck off, stop caring about the story, just buy the toys lol’
We’re living in the bad timeline. In another timeline, Disney never bought Star Wars, last Jedi never happened, and we’d see George Lucas create his sequel trilogy
George always thought outside the box and was the “rock star “ of directors in Hollywood. He did whatever he wanted. It’s nearly impossible to think of any filmmaker or writer who can say the same thing
+Thor Skywalker but I don't really think he took to many chances with the Prequels the great story is there it just has weird pacing and a whole bunch of minor issues that made them disliked. Also I feel the prequels do fail at making us like Anakin because all we get is the little child, the emo teen(ok he isn't really emo) and then well he is fine in ep3 but he is already pretty much the villain by ep3. So we don't really see the "hero fall" which is the whole point of the prequels. We don't get that tragic Darth Vader story George always wanted to tell, we get well something that is a bit all over the place because he seems more focused on the setting rather then the story.
Zero Cool the fall of anakin was when he took revenge for his mother’s death, falling for padme, and befriending the devil palpatine. George isn’t about “chances” but just wants to tell his story. The chances he takes is with the creative process. These are his characters and stories and like it or not, it’s his vision. Anakin was a slave, no father, a mechanic and had “gifts” that no other human had that he knew. George admits that there was too much narrative hence the pacing and simply tried to include as much as possible. The “could have” or “should have” isn’t going to change anything. Remember in his interviews; he never expected Star Wars to become what it is. His original concept has changed many times before it was even in production. There’s is no way to know how good or bad a movie until it’s presented and i think any movie George wrote has always been interesting and very different from anything else in cinema.
A true genus and a inspiration of an artist. I always felt deep down inside that George had something absolutely special in mind when it came to the whole Midichorins concept and that it was much more than a simple power curve. Which strangle enough seemed to outrage fans.Then again how exactly could explain the substantial power curve differences exactly without sounding rudimentary generic? This to me made the Star Wars Universe imho more special and exciting to explore. Finally us nerds can dig deep on a scientific level of exploring the force vs just being something entirely of pure magic.
That's freaky. I don't know how to feel about it but I miss having an actual artistic vision behind the series. But for me Ep1-6 was all that was needed. I think it's perfect that way.
@@jongoff7829 Rogue One was definitely awesome. I love Episodes 1 to 6. I think if we had had George Lucas' actual Episode 7 to 9, then they would have been great. But right now, I can't stand TFA/TLJ which aren't sequels. We never really got an Episode 7, so the story will end at 6 for me (with Rogue One also being part of the galaxy far far away).
@@BenRai2k Glad to know there are a silent majority like us out there. I really enjoyed Rogue One. I went in spoiler free into Episode 7 thinking they were going to showcase George Lucas' actual sequels. Oh what could have been.
Easily his story would have been superior (and I do enjoy the new films just fine overall). But his story was the story that the saga had been heading since 77. The new films are, well...fan films.
I tend to agree with you. The problem with the sequel trilogy is that they didn't seem to know how to further expand on the greater story.... and are just retelling it. It may be great fan fiction but it's nothing like what Lucas had in mind.
Most fan films feel like they were made for the one making them... which seems to line up with what Rian Johnson has said: We don't think about the fans, we think about the story.... his story.
... bad fan films ... The Farce Awakens was enough of a day-old flounder, The Last Straw cranked the fresh-poured sewage valve wide open and welded the tap down.
Holy crap, this is some Lord of the Rings stuff, dude. You think when Lucas dies, a jedi Silmarillion will be discovered and published? lol. When he has the right people on his side to help in execution, there's no doubt this man tells a heck of an epic tale.
Lawyers. Specifically, Disney's lawyers. The only hope is that they realize the PR of sueing GL over SW would be catastrophic for them.... but Disney is VERY fond of their lawyers.
As I understood it, there was always supposed to be nine films. Anakin’s story, the twins (Luke & Leia) then their children to end the saga. I believe that George wanted an honest ending to Star Wars.
@@mateom6596 George himself has stated it would be about grandchildren. From the sounds of what he, Mark Hamil and other sources have said since TFA came out (which wasn't a proper sequel and didn't continue the story), George would have told a story along the lines of: 1. Leia reunifying the galaxy over 3 episodes bringing the Alliance and a large Imperial Remnant together to form a New Republic by saga's end. 2. The galaxy being in a state of gangs/galaxy of gangs. 3. Luke passing on what he had learned as Yoda said. 4. A new generation of Jedi starting. Though the Jedi Temple is attacked by a villain who emerges and has been hidden for a long long time. 5. Jedi Hunters such as Darth Talon being dispatched. She would seduce and turn the young Solo to the dark on the promise of restoring order to a disunited galaxy 6. Luke having a daughter 7. A character called Kira. Possibly being Luke's daughter. This character being NOTHING like Rey, but actually being likeable. 8. The dark sider villain in charge possibly being Plageuis, or related to the mysterious Whills 9. The Whills being involved, possibly as villains feeding off the Force 10. A Force plot about immortality 11. The Force ghosts and Anakin possibly assisting Luke and the children to defeat the dark side once and for all 12. Luke sacrificing himself in the final episode and passing the torch to Leia and the offspring and new Jedi 13. The criminal gangs etc defeated and the galaxy united and at peace by saga's end.
The main unfinished story arc from the pre-Disney series is the question of life after death- in the prequels they say dead Kwaigon had made contact. Then dead Obiwan makes a strong connection with Luke, and then Yoda & Anakin & Obiwan manifest as force ghosts. The next step would be to completely break down the barrier between the living and the dead. It sounds like that is what Lucas wanted to flesh out.
It would probably be better than the products Disney is shitting out. Even if fans would still hate it, I’ve always loved George Lucas’ work. I’d sure as hell prefer it to the jokes of sequels we’ve gotten so far.
Loved the originals and loved the prequels. I still think it's possible for one day a chosen one to rise from the fandom and actually save star wars from the evil mouse. However, the saga has been tainted and age is catching up with George and the remaining old cast. We'll need a complete reboot of the originals, prequels and proper sequels. This could also help with some minor issues with continuity from before and brush up here and there for a perfect final form. :)
The Sith use the force for their own purposes (for evil), while the Jedi seek to do the will of the force. However, Luke realizes that the will of the force is the will of a higher caste of beings, the whills. It could be a really interesting trilogy and tie all 9 films together in an interesting way, as well as bring in some interesting themes: what is the purpose of existence? does subservience bring us meaning? Do we choose our destinies or not? When left to our own devices, like the sith, do we turn evil?Not sure how I feel about it, but your theory is more intriguing than Disney's "reset" empire vs. rebels redo.
Best comment, I mean it. Because, if you think about it, that's what all those myths that George is referencing all over the place are about. This Whill thing would have been a truly genius move to tie them all together.
and imagine if the Sith and the Jedi united together to take them down as well ? it would also be balance in the force simply due to that alliance, where they would finally find some common ground
@@KingGhidorah777 It would make me smile to see life-long enemies put aside their differences and set themselves free from the tyranny of the ones who made their "destinies".
Good or bad, i wish he had finished his story prior to selling.. 1. To see the original creator's story fully told. 2. It would've closed off the skywalker story (at least as the main story current) giving Lucas his star wars closure he deserved. & 3. This would let Disney be able to begin their star wars era fresh unshackled with having to wrap up a story they didn't start nor had passion (ip creative rights) for.
I'm a big fan of the prequels and I don't think they're more flawed than the originals. The prequel haters were always a small group with the fandom, but they sure were loud! Anyway, I hope that one day we get Lucas's original treatment for Episode 7 and/or the Michael Arndt screenplay. We know it had young people as the main characters, and whatever threat or help the Whills would have been sounds fascinating.
Funny the prequel haters dont really come up with real reasons WHY they hate them. They just say " they weren't as good as the original." Then say the actors acting was what ruined it. But they need to remember that lucas directed it. the actors went by his directions
@Dušan Xmetov hard to get comics. No comic shop. And when we had a place that did have them they didn't have very good star wars collection. After watching some people's video on the new trilogy i can see a little on where the new direction its going. We'll see where it goes
As a more causal fan, I still like the concept of the force being under threat in some form. And perhaps the reason the force can never be in true balance is cause the Whills are a you say a parasite feeding off the force. Heck, that could have been what Luke discovered on the island and why he cut himself off from the Force. He wanted time to collect his thoughts on this new knowledge and find away to separate the force from the Whills. You wouldn't need to go into the science behind it, but say "something bad had attached itself to the Force long ago, way before anyone can recall and the Force wants to fight back" or something like that. The jedi of the old republic were corrupted and could not see the danger (in a similar way they didn't see Palpatine rising to power). And Luke continued the jedi way thus unknowingly precipitating or handing down the problem of the dark parasite. The Force needs someone "new" to fight for it. How about a girl who was left on her own on a desert planet where nothing can really grow meaning she had no or min-able contact with the "parasite". She is then seen as force at its purist form trying to counter balance the parasites and destroy them which is why she is so powerful. (Not the greatest explanation, but its something). Not the best idea I know, but I was trying to see how the Whills/ the concept of them as a parasite to the Force, could have worked within the narrative we got from Disney. Great video, Thor.
I love your line of thinking here. It's actually a very cool idea and the way you suggest presenting it could've worked in my opinion. I think the biggest problem with what Lucas (may) have had planned would be how you explain it... too much straight up exposition may have ruined it but, again, how you present it here would've worked.
Thank you, Thor. I'm glad you liked it. And I agree trying to give to much exposition would have ruined the whole thing. Which is why I went with something kind of vague, but still something people could have understood with "something bad attached itself to the Force". Heck Luke could even describe it like a parasite which most of the audience would have understood.
And I just thought of this, maybe the reason her theme(s) are connected to the Kenbis/ Luke Skywalker is because they were the ones who tried their hardest to be connected to the Force in its pure form (though they still couldn't win against something they didn't know was there). Through some magic Rey is meant to "finish" their work or reawaken the connection Obi-wan and Luke started in some form so her connection to the lightsabar is more a spiritual one that the Force recognizes. And that is why it rejected Kylo even though he's a blood relation, Rey has the more spiritual connection with the Skywalkers/Kenbis and thus the Force while still being a "no one". Just another thought had they gone done this route.
Well, I believe we now have our answer as to why Lucas decided against making 7-9. After the hatred of the prequels, and the continued hatred of midiclorians, it seems very apparent that George could see that this audience was never going to accept any of his remaining vision regarding the Whills. I think it's pretty clear now that the majority of the fans just want light sabers and starfighters. Even the Mortis arc got a lot of back lash from the fans of TCW. Some of us thought that was the most brilliant writing of all. Most TCW fans were even more open to these ideas than the average fan, so what does that tell you? I would love to get Lucas' story, and I would accept and respect it as it is ALL his story to tell. I can certainly see though why he wouldn't go through with making the rest of it, after how most of us responded to the PT. So, instead, he stepped aside to let the fans make Star Wars into what they want it to be, rather than what it always was in the mind of George Lucas.
I think think George should get a script of this together. Get Disney to have him produce an animated trilogy based on what he envisioned. And try to reboot this thing.
wicket warrick Not real canon. He has sold the rights. It will be only for the diehard fans who want the story the creator had in mind finished. It's now in the hands of new creators, and making Lucas' ideas canon would blow the current canon completely up.
George left them his screenplay to produce as films in the first place. And they threw it out. I cannot believe how stupid they are to have done that and to add insult to injury produce the mess we have instead in its place. I wish they had produced George's sequels, or just started again and made his version.
@@jochemwijma9536 If there's even a canon. Nothing makes any sense at all. I doubt even the people in charge/writers know who the hell anyone is, or what the backstory is. They are disrespectfully winging it as they go along.
"Absolute continuity isn't as important to him as it is to us fans." [laughs in Hayden Christensen head in Episode 6] [laughs in redubbed Boba Fett in Episode 5]
No way I wud rather Watch the TLJ and that's saying something! Truly awful movie clones bit better then sith made up for it apart from empire, sith is top dog
The Lone Henro what u on about mate "hate in this chat is insane "??? just said I wasn't fussed on phantom menace, chill out no need to be so melodramatic, lol
The Lone Henro I know what you mean I'm a fan too, mind you I'm not like some of these hardcore nutters I come across, who if you don't agree with them your nothing but fake and how dare we all not feel the same way as them fucking lunatics, I read a thread about a father who sat there with his 9 yr old daughter watching TLJ and saying how much she enjoyed it , then some nut decided to write a fucking essay digging this gut out saying shit like didn't your daughter notice the plot holes scenes that didn't make sense , etc etc(the guy wrote a full on essay from beginning to end for everything that happened) this guy really went for it, poor father simply said "SHE'S 9 YEARS OLD FFS", as I said nutters!
At LEAST Lucas always changed the film industry in EVERY trilogy. He always changes things up. He never pulls a hollywood and rehashes his own franchise and puts everything on a loop or copies the formula. HE MAKES HIS OWN FORMULA
If his plan was anything like what you've just said then it would've been amazing. Connecting everything together and still bringing(hopefully) a satisfying end to the story doing all the original characters justice. I think that the best way to have carried this out would be to have George and someone else writing the story and having final say on things but having a different director to actually make the film, working closely with George. This would be to avoid the same mistakes as the prequels with the awful/cringe worthy dialogue and acting in some parts e.g. Anakin + Padme.
This is what George did. He handed them HIS SCRIPTS with HIS STORY. They could have produced it. I cannot believe they were so utterly stupid to throw out a cohesive story and one big saga out the window and instead produced the mess we have today. He literally gifted everyone the perfect outcome and they threw it all away.
I love it! It's a high sci-fi concept that i fell like Star Wars was always meant to be. I always liked the midi-chlorians. They aren't the source of the Force but connection of the "force world" and the "normal world". The fans? Oh they would've hated it as much, if not more than the sequels we got. But that's natural, they always do. But I'd be really intrested where George would've taken the story and I hope that one day, he's gonna give us the end to the story he dreamt of in some book. Or Journal, if you will. It's sad that people felt so entitled to Lucas' world, that they completely discouraged him from continuing making it.
I like his concept! It's deep. People who are into metaphysics can easily see what Lucas was trying to do. A micro world within the Star Wars universe. Its like getting to know our own cells that are living within our bodies.
I really like that idea, and if it was what Mr. Lucas had in mind then I am sad that I will not get to see it. It sounds epic and wonderful just like "A New Hope" was when I watched it at 9 years old on a large screen. I saw a story then that was larger than I could have imagined and I loved every minute of it.
"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. ..." thats the opening of every star wars movie. I was already thinking about but after this line you know some things: 1: Star Wars Universe really exists parallel 2: Star Wars Universe died somehow and everything with it 3: Star Wars Universe died out and only humans survived (we are the human i am talking about) So if i am right number 1 isn't possible cause if it is reality some star wars guys should have discovered earth already and would be here OR they have rules to not have contact with us but somehow George knows about them And if star wars is really just out of his mind there can only be 2 or 3 possible to create a story And so it is obvious that star wars universe dies out cause i don't now of anyone who get things told threw the force but it could be possible that humanity lost connection threw the force got to earth somehow and forgot about the technology they had. All i want to say if you read the first sentence of every movie, you know that the star wars story will lead into a absolutely tragic ending. Cause it says it's in our universe, just in another time and another galaxy.
This is one of your best videos ever. Picking up what vague clues we have and formulating this story, well let’s say it reminds me of Miles Dyson from Terminator 2, gave us new ideas, took us in directions we would have never thought of. This sounds much better than the result of the sequel trilogy, which we know now is a simple copy of the original three films. I would have loved to see this and it explains Lucas’ mindset in the Charlie Rose interview where he disliked the idea of Disney doing a “retro movie”. It gives Luke’s life a real purpose. Instead of the sham that was presented in Episode VIII.
I wish he sold it to someone who would have done what he wanted. I like (not love or really like, just like) the sequels, but George started the franchise, it should have been his vision that concluded it.
You make a good point. The story and structure were always the things that mattered to Lucas.... which is why I could see him doing something like this.
Alan Moore put it best, the fans aren't right, if they were than they would be the creators. Lucas is the creator so he knows best. This Disney movies are horrible because this are not movies made to create anything, they are just playing with Lacas' creations and add nothing of importance, Disney is the true parasite.
I want this. I totally support George Lucas vision and I see the art of the 6 films. Sure they all have issues, especially the prequels, but George's vision comes first. If you read my comment on the EU I stated I wish Disney took more inspiration from them. I think the EU is great, but if George was at the helm in creating the sequels I would totally be fine if I don't see great characters like Kyle Kattan or Jaina Solo. I just think Disney should bend to the fans while Lucas has free regin.
Although hopefully the fans are not so divided that such an action would be a futile move... With identity politics and anxieties about modern masculinity running rife.
I think the idea had so much potential. Based on what he's said about the Force apart from all this, I'd say the Whills could very much be a hard sci-fi take on angels and demons... he makes it sound like they have individual consciousness, apart from one another... and if the Force is still, "the" Force, and they feed off of it while being generally perceived as one with the Force, that would technically make them "spiritual beings;" similar to ideas that ancient peoples praying to gods of their culture could actually be addressing aliens in an alternate dimension who serve or manipulate the balance of alternate dimensions to serve their own agendas. That has some pretty sinister implications for everything Star Wars has ever been. What's interesting is how would he have put these kinds of beings to screen? His prequels had a lot of story that was implied through dialogue, matters of psychology that were so dense they couldn't outright be written as they were happening and had to be shaped through the contrast between dialogue and action, which didn't jive with many viewers - who took to criticizing Anakin's "abrupt turn" or the "weak dialogue", expecting something lofty, poetic, and simple, like Larry's straight forward scripts for Empire and Return. I imagine the dialogue would have been very, very confusing and cryptic for most viewers, and these unseen beings would remain unseen as their influence guided the characters on screen to do their bidding in such a way as to unveil their true nature. The very nature of the story would require a doubling down on the most criticized aspects of the prequel trilogy. Suffice to say, people would be so lost and confused, not to mention angry; and left even less of the base human relational driving force that made the original trilogy story and characters so endearing. It would be a story very deeply entrenched in a hard lore dump. It would have been fascinating to see. I get the idea though, based on just what I observe about George and how his ideas evolve, he may have just been dressing his concept in hard sci-fi lingo based on who he was talking to. If you think about the meat rather than the seasoning, it lines up with everything he's ever said about the Force... except it's being expressed to James Cameron as part of a cinematic sci-fi compendium project, so it has to fit the bill.
The Mandalorian has done a much better job of building a post-ROTJ universe than the sequel trilogy. Remnant fanatics of the Empire are trying to resurrect it, which is often what happens when an empire falls, especially one built around an ideology. The "Long live the empire" scene in the episode where the guy tries to dive the ship into the sea was more effective at displaying the continuation of the empire's fanaticism than the whole sequel trilogy.
I never understood the hate about midichlorians, but it's always risky as a story-teller to bring something big about the world so late in the story, without alienating the audience (thinking about the whills in the Lucas-sequels now). At least, I'd rather have that a thousand times over than the social marxist-filtered, shitty, cheap and incoherent writing that we got.
social marxist-filtered?! I mean, yeah, story telling is bad. But you must have taken serious stuff man or simply do not know anything about it. Just like with novels, reading is learning. A lifetime. On the other hand, maybe you are already on the dark side and can't open the holocron hehe ...
He was already setting this up with Yoda in the Clone Wars series. Which, btw, was the most interesting part of that series. It's a shame we never got a Tolkien-type in-depth dive into the metaphysics of Lucas' universe. But seeing what he had in mind, I'm 100% behind it. We would have "understood the great mystery" that Palpatine talks about in ROTS.
tools i would say servants of the whills. Im a new subscriber by the way keep up the good work its actualy good and refreshing to hear someone talk about the depth of the star wars galexy again.
On the plus end, it'll open up more venues as well as a conflict. The stronger you are being Force sensitive, the bigger the food source you are to the Will. Which could lead to a conflict of "Should we remain being Force sensitive", "can we use this to fight against the Will", or "do we shut ourselves completely from the Force and live on". Those sound like three individual movies already.
I’m not a great fan of the prequels but George knows how to make a different story in the same universe that connects to the previous, I want to see him back and I have said that for years ... before the Disney takeover
Lucas has always believed that the Whills recorded events.......now we learn they are far more active. In a way, they seem to be Gods that remote control every aspect of the Force, dictating it to their whims. If we can apply that belief to the ST, that the Whills indeed control everyone and everything, is it perhaps _they_ who tried to get Luke to kill Ben? And when he failed, resisting their commands, they had Ben destroy Luke's Jedi Order in retaliation that he didn't do what they wanted?
That is a hell of an interesting idea right there. That the Whills corrupted Luke. I kinda like it and it. Also, I too always thought the Whills were little more than observers...
@@perfectcell5613never! lol. More of a creative exercise in trying to explain the madness of their choices for Luke Skywalker that actually makes sense instead of "I feel bad about Ben."
Lucas started out as an experimental filmmaker. The sequel trilogy would have been amazing if he'd just gone full tilt and spiritual. Just images of the Wills just swaying back and forth between images of the Force.
Anyone remember Kennedy saying Lucasfilms new trilogy was following Lucas original idea for the sequel trilogy? I guess they were just on damage control.
I think this is awesome. Star Wars as George Lukas imagined it, and we loved it, was about the prophecy of the chosen on who would've bring balance to the force. A story starting from the father to son! The sequels we got have nothing to do about it. Luka's sequels would have done the OT even better I think because our protagonist would be the one who searching the deeper secrets of the force! I just wish in some way someday we will be able to see this amazing storyline with Luke of coarse!
The Whills inclusion would’ve been trippy, for sure, but at least it moved the story forward, rather than milking nostalgia. From what information has leaked out over the past few years, Lucas certainly had a n excellent story for Luke & Leia. How exactly did the Whill play into the overall plot? Unsure. Honestly, Lucas’ treatment is the only ending to the Skywalker Saga I can consider canon. The previous six films were all written/co-written by Lucas, the stories were his, and he’s the creator of the franchise. The Disney trilogy makes the whole saga feel incomplete and rather pointless.
Its not exactly what people would expect and no doubt people would hate the idea the Jedi are no more than tools ..however i can also see how a story like that would work in the star wars universe, with the ending ‘freeing’ the force, meaning there are no more jedi/sith/force users in general making it more like our galaxy
I totally think Lucas's idea would be better. I have always wondered what the Whills were. And seeing on film a presentation of the ethereal reality of the force and the whills would have been awesome. This whole thing about a rebel force against an empire got old already. we needed new stuff and Disney only wanted to repeat what went right with the original trilogy.
thor remember pablo hildalgo also dished on georges sequel ideas which was the son of han and leia would turn and destroy lukes order and uber(snoke) was the main villain and talon(old eu character) was also a villain, the son would kill his father(han and fully commit to the dark side after this) . Kira(rey) would be the main character and would meet a rogue neo empire trooper skyler(finn) and luke would be depressed and much different on the island of the first jedi temple but kira would help luke get out of his depression and get back in the fight. . Uber(snoke) in his concept art when they were still fully going with georges ideas looked like a whill from clone wars but a monster type, a parasite like you said. so i think we would have gotten something similar but different. as mr myagi says different but same. take out killing luke and snoke in 8 though.
wicket warrick mark hamill said Luke was going to die in 9. Plus Harrison Ford was only going to come back if they killed him off. So either write him out or kill him to move the plot forward . I like what JJ did. But Pablo was good friends with Lucas why would he lie?
wicket warrick Pablo a bully? Where is the proof there? He hates George ? Ummm he worked with George on the prequels 😂🤣. Where you get your info geeks and gamers ?
wicket warrick lol when did Pablo say that. Learn some grammar as well bro before you start a smear campaign against Pablo who has done nothing. TRAITOR.
wicket warrick it’s traitor kid...... spell right. Also no Rian Johnson said this. Pablo never did ... come back when you are a little older to debate such things.
Subject of the video and my opinions on it aside...I love your aproach to everything, it's calm and easy going. I'm not a passionate fan who gets really angry over stuff...but I can't imagine someone getting angry at you anyways. Great video, I enjoy listening to your thoughts. Now for the subject, it's interesting, nothing I would have ever imagined, I like to think about how it would unrawell but I might not like it to be the new movies, not that I'm a huge fan of what we got recently...but hey, in the moment they entertained me, well the first one did.
People lost their shit when ships needing fuel was vital to the plot in TLJ, I can only imagine how they would have reacted to George's sequel trilogy.
Hmmm, would this be better? Lets see... 1. Luke gets a kid 2. Leia becomes a Jedi 3. Luke gets a satesfying death 4. No feminist picked main character 5. No OP Rey 6. Dive deeper into mediclorians (which we know little about and im curious) 7. Wouldn't forget about the foundation of SW Idk mby it would be just a tiny bit better...
Honestly, I think the best outcome would have been for Disney to shitcan both Lucas's ideas and JJ/Ryan's ideas, and instead make movie adaptations of Knights of the Old Republic I & II - with an original production to finish off Revan and the Exile's story rather than attempting to raise the TORtanic. After which, they'd have been left with an entire universe of Star Wars to play around in and tell their own stories which offered audiences exactly what they want - more of the same, but completely different. It could have also been a good opportunity to lay the groundwork and slowly ease audiences into the ideal of Wills and whatnot (especially using Kreia's storyline as a vehicle) so that if they wanted to do Lucas's sequel trilogy later - it wouldn't have been so jarring for audiences and fans.
To all those who gave him shit for the prequels, thanks for absolutely nothing. YOU are the reason he sold the company. This was HIS story. NOT yours. Now it belongs to the rat in Orlando. Happy now?
Good or bad, Lucas’ story would have felt connected to the original six films.
So very true. It would've felt like one grand story...
William Burns no.. only stupid OT elistist hate the prequels.. speak dor yourself. I was born in the 90s ok but I grew up most of the time with the OT . I never realized there was a Prequel until the releas of ROTS. and guess what. i loved them.
William Burns the Sequel Trilogy absolutely fucking shits on the Original Trilogy and everything that it has established.
William Burns: You are crazy. GrndMastrGravity: YES! And, at least it would have been a story.
and not b poorly written fanfictions like the new films r
George Lucas should hire a good writer, tell him the whole story, discuss it with him, then have the guy write it down as a book. SW fans would love to read it.
Let's do a petition for that with lucas having some input
i pay thousands of dollars just to read it
What about the copyright problem?
@@heisenberg2712 yh Disney own the character rights
@@oscarmorland3788 what's what I was saying
Well, I don't know if it would work, but I would like to see a different kind of menace. Not a new empire. And see Luke's academy, some students, a new direction.
Now it's just a reboot of the same story basically.
and see the expanded universes best characters
They could have the Yuuzhan Vong attacking the Galaxy or since they changed the canon, let the Siths from outside the Galaxy attack the New Republic. It doesn't make sense that they'll turn into a small "Rebel" group, after establishing their Government. Heck I thought Snoke was someone from the time of Emperor Vitate.
The sequal trilogy should've been more about the yuuzhan vong invasion and the destruction it brought. Stay with the characters from the new Jedi order novels kill off both han and chewy then maybe the fans and performers alike will find joy in the story.
@@claytongunter171 Exactly, this would have been amazing. And then they could have released an animated series like the clone wars set in the period between Episode 6 and Episode 7, with the New Republic fighting against the Empire's comeback under Grand Admiral Thrawn
The PT are UNDERRATED MASTERPIECES!!!! Disney and Kennedy don't know shit about Star Wars!!! I have no doubt that Lucas's ST would have also brilliant!
Alec Guinness said it best.
“The dialogue was rubbish and it overall poorly written but there was something about the script that kept you reading, and thats something that every movie/writer needs ”
_Did_ he say poorly written?
@@harrambou9468 No he said it was ropey
SIR Alex Guinness
Rest in Peace
That's the craziest theory that I ever heard, that's why I love it.
Something only a genius like George Lucas could have come up with.
It is a crazy theory...but is has a Horton hears a who feel to it...Still love it compared to Disney's Starwars
I completely agree. It's crazy enough to actually work. Just like a new hope was.
@@stevensteven3417 I concur. If only we had seen one wholesome masterpiece by the creator of Star Wars. I cannot believe they threw out this for the utter mess we have instead.
THOR should Stop saying Lucas only recently thought of finishing & creating the sequel last trilogy THEY WERE THERE FUZZY IN HIS HEAD FROM THE START or atleast ESB BECAUSE MARK HAMILL STRAIGHT UP SAID LUCAS ASKED HIM TO COME BACK BY 2000-2 and BE LUKE FOR THE FINAL MOVIES!
Personally i've always believed Lucas should have finished telling HIS Star Wars story... regardless of how id feel about it in the end...
I agree, even if it would suck, atleast it's made from the heart and with passion, instead of out of greed
It's funny how people want George Lucas' version of movies post-Return of the Jedi but when George Lucas released movies in his vision (prequels) people criticized him harshly to the point it discouraged him. I'm not saying the prequels were perfect (bad dialogue, quantitizing the force/demystifying the force) but I would argue a huge amount of the hate come from nostalgia. Going back to my main point, now that fans see what Disney has done with the franchise, they want George Lucas back. As the saying goes you don't know what you like until it's gone. As Palpatine and I would say to fans wanting George back: "Ironic"
MrGamefan77 how was the force demystified?!! What?!!
BOB IGOR RUINED STAR WARS NOT JUST KATHLEEN What I mean is in the original trilogy, there wasn't a concrete explanation for the origins of the force. Yes they explain the force is the energy that binds all living beings but that explanation left your imagination free in what the force actually is which is what touched many fans in my opinion. One of the lessons Luke learns is to not judge by size because the force can run in someone powerful despite their stature. Remember he didn't think Yoda was the great Jedi master because of his behavior and stature and thought he couldn't lift the X-Wing. When the prequels came around, they brought up the idea of midichlorians. Essentially a powerful force user would have a higher than average midichlorian count. This way of quantizing the force takes away what made the force special for audiences. No longer could you believe that you could be a jedi with hard work. Now it's a matter of how many midichlorians you have in your body. I think because of this is why people hated the prequels (among other reasons).
MrGamefan77 think of midichlorians in Jedi's as chakras being more aligned and attuned to some people more than others. Spiritually stronger individuals. And i think thats what midichlorians are in a sci-fi sense chakras or the science of consciousness and its connection to the cosmos. George Lucas did take a lot of inspiration of the Force and Jedis from eastern Asian philosophies. Im a Hindu and i even recognize that the film has narrative elements from the Hindu epics the Mahabharat (the civil war that brought the age of kalyug we live in today aka the age of the dark side empire) and the Ramayana (esp in the end of the Ramayana there are twins who go to battle a king who they believe wronged their mother and the kingdom but did not know the king was their father Ram cause the guru who trained them to be warriors kept that a secret from them.) Sounds familiar right? Very fascinating
"Each star wars movie spent roughly 10 min explaining the Force."
-George Lucas in the ESB commentary
From what i can recall off the top of my head, TPM explained how and why Force users can tap into the Force.
AOTC explained some of the ways Jedi control the Force (spiritually control not physical) and resist the dark side.
ROTS explained a bit about the differences between the Living Force and the dark side of the Force as well as how the dark side is nurtured and used, and that midi-chlorians are literally the key (while the Force itself is the lock) to life.
ANH explained what the Force is.
ESB explained how and why Jedi use the Force and thr danger of the dark side.
And ROTJ explained that the dark side is not inescapable and that attachments are not as entirely bad as AOTC and ROTS made them out to be.
Bit by bit George gave clues and explenations into what the Force is and how it works. Which you have to do with any magic system in a story otherwise it becomes a clusterfuck of contrivances and Deus Ex Machinas. like what's happening with the Sequels.
The other thing I didn't like about George Lucas was his stupid edits of the OT. Adding in Jabba the Hut to a New Hope in a poorly edited scene with terrible CGI lowers the quality of the movie for me. The CGI additions to the OT are terrible.
After watching rise of skywalker, boy would I have preferred to see lucas’ trilogy
You must really love midichlorians to want an entire trilogy on them and the microbiotic world. It sounds like a Star Wars version of Pixar's Inside Out.
Turtle Island LAC yeah I would like that actually, inside out looks like a cool film anyway
Plo Koon hello plo koon, so you survived?
Plo Koon XDDD
I don't understand what's Star Wars fans' problem with midichlorians. What's wrong with having a defined mechanism to the force? It sets limitations and explains things.
Right now the force is far too random for my taste. Rey walking around doing anything she wants without any considerable training, force ghosts meddling with physical world - raising space ships and summoning lightning, why don't they kill palpatine themselves?
I could definitely see why a lot of fans would totally hate this, but I actually find it really interesting. I really hope we get access to more of his notes in the future.
I too can understand why some would outright hate this. But I too hope we learn more about what this would've been like.
Yes they should make it. They could make it an alternate universe story and make another legends trilogy too.
George's ideas for the Sequel trilogy sounds like a Star Wars version of Pixar's Inside Out.
At least his ideas were original, as we saw with the prequels, even he said he didn't want to do the same thing over again. But Disney surely did, another death star, a bunch of rebels trying to save the galaxy, and in this last movie is all the same again, but bigger and over the top.
You call going back to the same planet (i.e. Tatooine) over and over again, and having things like another less exciting asteroid chase, being original? Even he infamously said "It rhymes", meaning that he's making the same things happen over and over again.
@@white-dragon4424
Yeah that’s intentional
But I see both points here
On the one hand he revisited tattooine in all 3 of the prequels movies
But then he adds the galactic politics, the Jedi in their prime etc etc, forevery callback he made me made something original
Tattooine 3 times , you get coruscant kamino & uetapau etc etc etc 🤣 the prequels suck ... but they are also pretty good
@@white-dragon4424 Over and over again? Luke lived on Tatooine because uncle Owen lived there. Thus Anakin needed to live there at some point. Jabba lived on Tatooine and he captured Han so we needed to go back there another time. Anakin went back to find his mother and Obi Wan delivered Luke to Owen. We went there because the story demanded it. We also see different things when we return to Tatooine, some new world building that we have never seen before. In episode 6 we see Jabba and the criminal underworld. In episode 1 we see the pod race.
The asteroid chase is also very different. In ESB the villain hunts the heroes, in AotC the hero hunts the villain.
@@Grivian Firstly, Owen was only acting as Luke's uncle. He was originally Obi-Wan's brother, and not a real relative of Luke. Secondly, it wasn't set in stone in the first two movies where Jabba was from. He could've been from anywhere. Lucas only set him on Tatooine in ROTJ because it was an easier choice rather than locating him on some other alien world.
@@white-dragon4424 The choice was to either create a new barren planet or go back to Tatooine that actually made sense because Jabba was supposed to be there in ANH. The choice was simple. Unlike disney, George Lucas doesn't like to create poor copies of already established worlds. That is the problem here, not reusing worlds (which George didn't do often). Creating new worlds that are copies of Tatooine or Hoth, and not memorable or important in the slightest.
Owen is not a real relative to Luke in the movie either, but what he originally was is something that you made up I think
It makes sense if you stand back and look at what Episode 1 was setting up. I'm sure Lucas didn't create midichlorians just to have them mentioned in a single movie. Also I agree that had the prequels not been recieved so negatively that Lucas just may have finished his version of the story.
I agree with both your statements. Lucas didn't throw midi chlorians in there on a whim. He had a plan and a purpose for them. One I think he would've carried out had TPM not gotten so much hate...
The funny thing is, the midi-cholrians were actually always a part of Star Wars. They were even in the original treatments Lucas was writing back in 1975, with the same name and everything, along with many other details of the universe and backstory.
I have the feeling that while are some sort of lovecraftian creature ...it would've been awesome . Jedi vs old ones .
Mr Silvr Sometimes I wish Lucas was more stubborn with his plan rather than changing it.
Stupid prequel hate
Lucas sequels would be controversial and great in the same time, like all the original 6 Star Wars movies had been.
Now, we have just garbage.
Great job, prequels haters.
All 6 of them are great?
@@carlosribeiro2413 They are all substantial: the imperfections were just flaws inside a beautiful picture. It's like the first 6 seasons of Game of Thrones compared to the last ugly one.
The Disney movies of Star Wars have no picture at all.
@@fabrizioriva1281 I hate sand it's coarse irritating and it gets everywhere...Lucas spitting poetry right there
@@carlosribeiro2413 People always jump on the bandwagon criticising that line. Not every line of a film has to be like deep, meaningful poetry. It's a perfectly acceptable line. Whether it needed to be included at all is another debate, but it's not objectively bad. In fact I totally agree with it
@@ethantohill7072 I like watching them all but saying the phantom menace is good is a stretch
,saying it's great even more,just because Disney's movies are weak that doesn't make the prequels great
He'd already started to explore this with Yoda in season 6 of The Clone Wars.
The force priestesses tell Yoda "There is another Skywalker..." - but it's not Anakin.
Nautilus1972 I'm pretty sure they were just saying his last words
I really liked those episodes. It sets up the midichlorians and explain them in such a way that I'm sure many fans who disliked the idea would have felt relieved, and enjoyed the actual concept and the new stories, had Lucas continued them.
@@Nautilus1972 could they have possibly just been referring to Padme since she was technically married to Anakin therefore being a "Skywalker?"
I think that force planet Yoda went to was what George meant when he said “microbiotic world”. If that was the case then that would have been great
You mean they wouldn't have to destroy more death stars in the sequel trilogy?!? How is this possible
I would have liked to hear George’s closing of the story.
So say we all!
RedLeader327 ...YES!!!
Me too
Agreed. I hope we can get it one day in some form.
I feel bad that Star Wars fans shat on Lucas’ prequels and killed his drive to finish the story
For me, I like both the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy, but prequel will always be the best
@@Ezper-2099 yeah terrible dialogue acting and a disjointed story is better than the OT
@@Arthurmadhal still better than the sequels, also palpy saves the prequels in my opinion
@@tusk1142 that's not my point this idoit said they are better than the originals like HOW?? episode 1 and the first 2 acts of episode 2 are extremely boring the only movie that i enjoyed was revenge of the sith ( as a kid i liked all 6 but now i only like 4 )
edit : as much as i fucking hate the sequels they are better than the prequels as individual movies
@@Arthurmadhal They aren't an idiot just because they like the prequels better than the originals. It's just an opinion.
People are too hard on the prequals. They weren't perfect but they were substantial.
Jay Chimpanski agreed. That is my only gripe with SW fans.
If they only knew how their wrath would end up manifesting itself...
They can now enjoy the Disney shit.
Jay Chimpanski The people who viscously attacked those movies basically scared Lucas away. The pre-quels weren't perfect but they were still good movies.
The movies had good ideas. They were still terribly made, however.
Lucas learnt from his mistakes.
He was always the genius story teller, the idea man, but the execution was his weakness.
He learned that the very hard way with the prequels , if he just had had somebody to bounce of his ideas,someone who understood his vision and could execute it well,and thats what happened afterward..and the result was Filoni and the Clone wars !
Just imagine, this relationship growing over the years, and imagine what those two guys could have done with star wars by now.
And as we can clearly see, The clone wars was leading up to the new trilogy 7,8 and 9 and the Whills. Season 6 Yodas final episodes introduced the Whills further, and they were as mysterious and fantastic, as you could possible imagine ,very intriguing.
I my self belive in Lucas and his ideas, he is so creative, the driving force behind star wars, it was always about the story, not about any political agendas , marketing or money. It was about telling a story. Again, as you can clearly see with clone wars, finishing 2 and a half seasons of un aired episodes ,ahead already. Stories that he wanted to tell. Not looking at ratings or whats so ever. The man had a story to tell, Disney...Disney just has an agenda to follow. Stories do not matter.
Star Wars were his children, he said so him self.
So I believe, the Whills would have been fantastic and not as terrible as many try to make it.
And the mediclorians ..they just like moths in the dark, attracted to the light...that is the force.
The brighter a light shines..the more are attracted. The stronger you are in the force, the more you attract of those bacteria like mediclorians ! Nothing bad about mediclorians, just his way of explaining it..was not very well executed !
I want George back, he and Filoni together would have killed it.
He had a writer's room and art department set up to bring his episode 7 to the screen. It was Disney that got rid of him and did not want any of his ideas.
Oh, "how they fought to bring back democracy to the galaxy" is very political. Obviously democracy is the source of creativity and a political agenda. Just not propaganda, which kills stories.
The deal is that he DID have those people to bounce ideas off of-the cast and crew of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. If you watch some interviews from the late 70s and early 80s, it’s clear that some of the ideas and lines he came up with would NOT have gone over well with an audience, and the cast and crew would point these ideas out (Harrison Ford wanted to tie George up and make him read his own lines at gunpoint).
The problem with the prequels was that the success of the original movies gave everyone so much respect for Lucas that everyone thought he was a genius and if an idea sounded weird, it would all come together well in the end. So nobody questioned him. He didn’t have anyone to tell him that certain ideas were great while other ones sucked. So while we got pod racing, count Dooku, and the “birth” of Darth Vader, we also got Jar Jar Binks, the sand monologue, and Darth Vader’s NNNOOOOOOOO!!!!
Filoni is grear. But he's not the man you talk about.
They would bring balance to the force.
I would take lucas's ideas over disney any day .
SithSpit Rick Unlikely, given several of his ideas made it to 8
This is a bad idea... better than TLJ, but still on the "bad" half of the scale...
MeanMrMustard1 stfu I own all star wars movies but disney .
Ryan C That claim was undoubtedly damage control done by Lucasfilm once people started turning on TLJ. Even so, Lucas himself wasn't there to properly guide it, which was the main problem.
No shit, star wars is his idea
I‘m so sad that George thinks this way of the fans when most of us love what he did. Like I do... I love the prequels 🥰 so sad he never got to finish the story, though he could’ve and now in the wake of Episode 8 should‘ve done.
Prequels : The Father
Originals : The Son
Sequels : The Holy Spirit
My Dude!
CardinalDrama sounds like you’re onto something here, would you mind elaborating please?
Damn....I've never thought of it that way.
Just a connection I noticed when I first read about George's sequel ideas. It certainly goes along with the themes of Christianity woven throughout the original 6 SW movies.
As brilliant as this seems. George has always stated the movies were about generations - 3 generations.
Georges story would've been better no matter what
except date rape
Vokul Ven yeah cuz the prequels are such a good trilogy
Collin Caperton it is but he is the director and he fucked up the dialogue, love story, characters. The lore is great but that’s not the issue. He created three films which are pure memes
Wineke de Jong right now I’d take pure memes over what we’re getting, yes the prequels aren’t perfect but atleast there’s a story trying to be told and trying to fit into the universe rather than just basically saying ‘fuck off, stop caring about the story, just buy the toys lol’
Except the awful dialogue and writing does anyone remember attack of the clones
I trust George as a storyteller.
I trust that in George's mind are some of the greatest stories ever. It's the telling part that trips him up sometimes.
Mike Greives
Nah. Hes not the best teller. Good idea guy tho
Yeah Great Storyteller, but a meh director.
If he's such great storyteller why are the Prequels so bad at telling their stories.
Yeah, THX 1138 is amazing, right? And that Howard the Duck, whoa!
We’re living in the bad timeline. In another timeline, Disney never bought Star Wars, last Jedi never happened, and we’d see George Lucas create his sequel trilogy
Buzzcraft Productions also kobe died today. Truly dark times.
@@KTtheKomic and this time line Covid19 is here shutting down everything.
@@mattboy2313 Also add that there would be a possibility for Angry Birds Star Wars 3.
George always thought outside the box and was the “rock star “ of directors in Hollywood. He did whatever he wanted. It’s nearly impossible to think of any filmmaker or writer who can say the same thing
Agreed. He is truly one of a kind and (love or hate them) I don't think any other director would've taken the chances with the Prequels he did.
+Thor Skywalker but I don't really think he took to many chances with the Prequels the great story is there it just has weird pacing and a whole bunch of minor issues that made them disliked. Also I feel the prequels do fail at making us like Anakin because all we get is the little child, the emo teen(ok he isn't really emo) and then well he is fine in ep3 but he is already pretty much the villain by ep3. So we don't really see the "hero fall" which is the whole point of the prequels. We don't get that tragic Darth Vader story George always wanted to tell, we get well something that is a bit all over the place because he seems more focused on the setting rather then the story.
Zero Cool the fall of anakin was when he took revenge for his mother’s death, falling for padme, and befriending the devil palpatine. George isn’t about “chances” but just wants to tell his story. The chances he takes is with the creative process. These are his characters and stories and like it or not, it’s his vision. Anakin was a slave, no father, a mechanic and had “gifts” that no other human had that he knew. George admits that there was too much narrative hence the pacing and simply tried to include as much as possible. The “could have” or “should have” isn’t going to change anything. Remember in his interviews; he never expected Star Wars to become what it is. His original concept has changed many times before it was even in production. There’s is no way to know how good or bad a movie until it’s presented and i think any movie George wrote has always been interesting and very different from anything else in cinema.
A true genus and a inspiration of an artist. I always felt deep down inside that George had something absolutely special in mind when it came to the whole Midichorins concept and that it was much more than a simple power curve. Which strangle enough seemed to outrage fans.Then again how exactly could explain the substantial power curve differences exactly without sounding rudimentary generic? This to me made the Star Wars Universe imho more special and exciting to explore. Finally us nerds can dig deep on a scientific level of exploring the force vs just being something entirely of pure magic.
It only appears like pure magic for the uneducated minds.
*reads the title*
Me: Masterpiece.
*moves on*
That's freaky. I don't know how to feel about it but I miss having an actual artistic vision behind the series. But for me Ep1-6 was all that was needed. I think it's perfect that way.
Rogue One was a nice addition to the original 6.
@@jongoff7829 Rogue One was definitely awesome. I love Episodes 1 to 6. I think if we had had George Lucas' actual Episode 7 to 9, then they would have been great. But right now, I can't stand TFA/TLJ which aren't sequels. We never really got an Episode 7, so the story will end at 6 for me (with Rogue One also being part of the galaxy far far away).
@@darkjediknight2923 i feel the same
@@BenRai2k Glad to know there are a silent majority like us out there. I really enjoyed Rogue One. I went in spoiler free into Episode 7 thinking they were going to showcase George Lucas' actual sequels. Oh what could have been.
If this was actually George's idea for the sequels. I can honestly say I would be behind it 100%
Easily his story would have been superior (and I do enjoy the new films just fine overall). But his story was the story that the saga had been heading since 77. The new films are, well...fan films.
I tend to agree with you. The problem with the sequel trilogy is that they didn't seem to know how to further expand on the greater story.... and are just retelling it. It may be great fan fiction but it's nothing like what Lucas had in mind.
Hahaha.mmmm fan films for who?!
Most fan films feel like they were made for the one making them... which seems to line up with what Rian Johnson has said: We don't think about the fans, we think about the story.... his story.
That is the crux of the problem!
... bad fan films ...
The Farce Awakens was enough of a day-old flounder, The Last Straw cranked the fresh-poured sewage valve wide open and welded the tap down.
Holy crap, this is some Lord of the Rings stuff, dude. You think when Lucas dies, a jedi Silmarillion will be discovered and published? lol. When he has the right people on his side to help in execution, there's no doubt this man tells a heck of an epic tale.
So is the 'will of the force' actually a misnomer for the 'whill of the force'?
Interesting thought.
Luke French , that's what I was thinking
Can't help thinking about this now ruclips.net/video/gbu88CKkEzI/видео.html
@@hvandijken5905 oh man you deserve more likes XD
New context to 'feel deeply the whill of the force."
Honestly, I freakin' love this idea. It' s original, intriguing, and makes an odd amount of sense. As par course for Mr. Lucas.
would have given anything to see the True Creators final piece to the Story. damn. miss you George...
Why can't we still get his story as an alternate universe story or book
Lawyers. Specifically, Disney's lawyers. The only hope is that they realize the PR of sueing GL over SW would be catastrophic for them.... but Disney is VERY fond of their lawyers.
@@duncanlutz3698 they wouldn't consent to an alternate time line book, comic, or even an animated series.
As I understood it, there was always supposed to be nine films. Anakin’s story, the twins (Luke & Leia) then their children to end the saga. I believe that George wanted an honest ending to Star Wars.
I’ve always thought this too, I can no longer recall the original source though
@@mateom6596 George himself has stated it would be about grandchildren. From the sounds of what he, Mark Hamil and other sources have said since TFA came out (which wasn't a proper sequel and didn't continue the story), George would have told a story along the lines of:
1. Leia reunifying the galaxy over 3 episodes bringing the Alliance and a large Imperial Remnant together to form a New Republic by saga's end.
2. The galaxy being in a state of gangs/galaxy of gangs.
3. Luke passing on what he had learned as Yoda said.
4. A new generation of Jedi starting. Though the Jedi Temple is attacked by a villain who emerges and has been hidden for a long long time.
5. Jedi Hunters such as Darth Talon being dispatched. She would seduce and turn the young Solo to the dark on the promise of restoring order to a disunited galaxy
6. Luke having a daughter
7. A character called Kira. Possibly being Luke's daughter. This character being NOTHING like Rey, but actually being likeable.
8. The dark sider villain in charge possibly being Plageuis, or related to the mysterious Whills
9. The Whills being involved, possibly as villains feeding off the Force
10. A Force plot about immortality
11. The Force ghosts and Anakin possibly assisting Luke and the children to defeat the dark side once and for all
12. Luke sacrificing himself in the final episode and passing the torch to Leia and the offspring and new Jedi
13. The criminal gangs etc defeated and the galaxy united and at peace by saga's end.
I'm a 90s baby and I love the prequels. I grew up on that shit, man. Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars movie ever
If only we could have a Journal of the Whills book from George
That might be the coolest thing ever....
Thor Skywalker Episode 9's Subtitle should be Journal of the Whills.
@@thorskywalker we were close to getting it from Area 51
The way you explained how George's sequel trilogy would have been like sounded incredible; if only George didn't sell the franchise
Very interesting, I really like where this idea of yours seems to be going. And we could still get a story like this later, nothing's impossible.
The main unfinished story arc from the pre-Disney series is the question of life after death- in the prequels they say dead Kwaigon had made contact. Then dead Obiwan makes a strong connection with Luke, and then Yoda & Anakin & Obiwan manifest as force ghosts. The next step would be to completely break down the barrier between the living and the dead. It sounds like that is what Lucas wanted to flesh out.
It would probably be better than the products Disney is shitting out. Even if fans would still hate it, I’ve always loved George Lucas’ work. I’d sure as hell prefer it to the jokes of sequels we’ve gotten so far.
Loved the originals and loved the prequels. I still think it's possible for one day a chosen one to rise from the fandom and actually save star wars from the evil mouse. However, the saga has been tainted and age is catching up with George and the remaining old cast. We'll need a complete reboot of the originals, prequels and proper sequels. This could also help with some minor issues with continuity from before and brush up here and there for a perfect final form. :)
George’s ideas with a masterful director? It HAS to be better than what we got.
The Sith use the force for their own purposes (for evil), while the Jedi seek to do the will of the force. However, Luke realizes that the will of the force is the will of a higher caste of beings, the whills. It could be a really interesting trilogy and tie all 9 films together in an interesting way, as well as bring in some interesting themes: what is the purpose of existence? does subservience bring us meaning? Do we choose our destinies or not? When left to our own devices, like the sith, do we turn evil?Not sure how I feel about it, but your theory is more intriguing than Disney's "reset" empire vs. rebels redo.
Best comment, I mean it. Because, if you think about it, that's what all those myths that George is referencing all over the place are about. This Whill thing would have been a truly genius move to tie them all together.
and imagine if the Sith and the Jedi united together to take them down as well ? it would also be balance in the force simply due to that alliance, where they would finally find some common ground
@@KingGhidorah777 It would make me smile to see life-long enemies put aside their differences and set themselves free from the tyranny of the ones who made their "destinies".
Good or bad, i wish he had finished his story prior to selling..
1. To see the original creator's story fully told.
2. It would've closed off the skywalker story (at least as the main story current) giving Lucas his star wars closure he deserved.
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3. This would let Disney be able to begin their star wars era fresh unshackled with having to wrap up a story they didn't start nor had passion (ip creative rights) for.
I'm a big fan of the prequels and I don't think they're more flawed than the originals. The prequel haters were always a small group with the fandom, but they sure were loud!
Anyway, I hope that one day we get Lucas's original treatment for Episode 7 and/or the Michael Arndt screenplay. We know it had young people as the main characters, and whatever threat or help the Whills would have been sounds fascinating.
I agree. I just hope we get to hear the basics of what his story would've been.
Damn right.
adam cimand , couldn't agree more
Funny the prequel haters dont really come up with real reasons WHY they hate them. They just say " they weren't as good as the original." Then say the actors acting was what ruined it. But they need to remember that lucas directed it. the actors went by his directions
@Dušan Xmetov hard to get comics. No comic shop. And when we had a place that did have them they didn't have very good star wars collection. After watching some people's video on the new trilogy i can see a little on where the new direction its going. We'll see where it goes
For the Whills, a balanced force is a *balanced diet.*
*"Life Feeds On Life."* - Maynard James Keenan of TooL
As a more causal fan, I still like the concept of the force being under threat in some form. And perhaps the reason the force can never be in true balance is cause the Whills are a you say a parasite feeding off the force. Heck, that could have been what Luke discovered on the island and why he cut himself off from the Force. He wanted time to collect his thoughts on this new knowledge and find away to separate the force from the Whills.
You wouldn't need to go into the science behind it, but say "something bad had attached itself to the Force long ago, way before anyone can recall and the Force wants to fight back" or something like that. The jedi of the old republic were corrupted and could not see the danger (in a similar way they didn't see Palpatine rising to power). And Luke continued the jedi way thus unknowingly precipitating or handing down the problem of the dark parasite. The Force needs someone "new" to fight for it. How about a girl who was left on her own on a desert planet where nothing can really grow meaning she had no or min-able contact with the "parasite". She is then seen as force at its purist form trying to counter balance the parasites and destroy them which is why she is so powerful. (Not the greatest explanation, but its something).
Not the best idea I know, but I was trying to see how the Whills/ the concept of them as a parasite to the Force, could have worked within the narrative we got from Disney. Great video, Thor.
I love your line of thinking here. It's actually a very cool idea and the way you suggest presenting it could've worked in my opinion. I think the biggest problem with what Lucas (may) have had planned would be how you explain it... too much straight up exposition may have ruined it but, again, how you present it here would've worked.
Thank you, Thor. I'm glad you liked it. And I agree trying to give to much exposition would have ruined the whole thing. Which is why I went with something kind of vague, but still something people could have understood with "something bad attached itself to the Force". Heck Luke could even describe it like a parasite which most of the audience would have understood.
And I just thought of this, maybe the reason her theme(s) are connected to the Kenbis/ Luke Skywalker is because they were the ones who tried their hardest to be connected to the Force in its pure form (though they still couldn't win against something they didn't know was there). Through some magic Rey is meant to "finish" their work or reawaken the connection Obi-wan and Luke started in some form so her connection to the lightsabar is more a spiritual one that the Force recognizes. And that is why it rejected Kylo even though he's a blood relation, Rey has the more spiritual connection with the Skywalkers/Kenbis and thus the Force while still being a "no one". Just another thought had they gone done this route.
Another very cool and interesting idea. Oh would could have been with the sequel trilogy....
Well, I believe we now have our answer as to why Lucas decided against making 7-9. After the hatred of the prequels, and the continued hatred of midiclorians, it seems very apparent that George could see that this audience was never going to accept any of his remaining vision regarding the Whills. I think it's pretty clear now that the majority of the fans just want light sabers and starfighters. Even the Mortis arc got a lot of back lash from the fans of TCW. Some of us thought that was the most brilliant writing of all. Most TCW fans were even more open to these ideas than the average fan, so what does that tell you?
I would love to get Lucas' story, and I would accept and respect it as it is ALL his story to tell. I can certainly see though why he wouldn't go through with making the rest of it, after how most of us responded to the PT. So, instead, he stepped aside to let the fans make Star Wars into what they want it to be, rather than what it always was in the mind of George Lucas.
Don't worry, when they read my will some day, the world will know what might have been
And so it is said
But will you tell us the true intentions of the Whills?
I think think George should get a script of this together. Get Disney to have him produce an animated trilogy based on what he envisioned. And try to reboot this thing.
Jay Chimpanski Novels would work fine, I think
wicket warrick Not real canon. He has sold the rights. It will be only for the diehard fans who want the story the creator had in mind finished. It's now in the hands of new creators, and making Lucas' ideas canon would blow the current canon completely up.
Fat chance
George left them his screenplay to produce as films in the first place. And they threw it out. I cannot believe how stupid they are to have done that and to add insult to injury produce the mess we have instead in its place. I wish they had produced George's sequels, or just started again and made his version.
@@jochemwijma9536 If there's even a canon. Nothing makes any sense at all. I doubt even the people in charge/writers know who the hell anyone is, or what the backstory is. They are disrespectfully winging it as they go along.
"Absolute continuity isn't as important to him as it is to us fans."
[laughs in Hayden Christensen head in Episode 6]
[laughs in redubbed Boba Fett in Episode 5]
the phantom menace was awesome
Invader6 Darklord dam straight. Great music n lore n fights n story.
No way I wud rather Watch the TLJ and that's saying something! Truly awful movie clones bit better then sith made up for it apart from empire, sith is top dog
The Lone Henro what u on about mate "hate in this chat is insane "??? just said I wasn't fussed on phantom menace, chill out no need to be so melodramatic, lol
The Lone Henro I know what you mean I'm a fan too, mind you I'm not like some of these hardcore nutters I come across, who if you don't agree with them your nothing but fake and how dare we all not feel the same way as them fucking lunatics, I read a thread about a father who sat there with his 9 yr old daughter watching
TLJ and saying how much she enjoyed it , then some nut decided to write a fucking essay digging this gut out saying shit like didn't your daughter notice the plot holes scenes that didn't make sense , etc etc(the guy wrote a full on essay from beginning to end for everything that happened) this guy really went for it, poor father simply said "SHE'S 9 YEARS OLD FFS", as I said nutters!
@The Lone Henro The OT purists are like the King James Bible only crowd IMO.
At LEAST Lucas always changed the film industry in EVERY trilogy. He always changes things up. He never pulls a hollywood and rehashes his own franchise and puts everything on a loop or copies the formula. HE MAKES HIS OWN FORMULA
That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard and I think it would have been cool.
After the sequel trilogy dumpster fire, I would love to see George Lucas version.
Agree
Too late
If his plan was anything like what you've just said then it would've been amazing. Connecting everything together and still bringing(hopefully) a satisfying end to the story doing all the original characters justice. I think that the best way to have carried this out would be to have George and someone else writing the story and having final say on things but having a different director to actually make the film, working closely with George. This would be to avoid the same mistakes as the prequels with the awful/cringe worthy dialogue and acting in some parts e.g. Anakin + Padme.
This is what George did. He handed them HIS SCRIPTS with HIS STORY. They could have produced it. I cannot believe they were so utterly stupid to throw out a cohesive story and one big saga out the window and instead produced the mess we have today. He literally gifted everyone the perfect outcome and they threw it all away.
I feel like everyone forgets the wills apeared in clone wars
And yes it's super exciting - a big twist - the Force is not what you think and Luke discovering that.
I love it! It's a high sci-fi concept that i fell like Star Wars was always meant to be. I always liked the midi-chlorians. They aren't the source of the Force but connection of the "force world" and the "normal world". The fans? Oh they would've hated it as much, if not more than the sequels we got. But that's natural, they always do. But I'd be really intrested where George would've taken the story and I hope that one day, he's gonna give us the end to the story he dreamt of in some book. Or Journal, if you will.
It's sad that people felt so entitled to Lucas' world, that they completely discouraged him from continuing making it.
I like his concept! It's deep. People who are into metaphysics can easily see what Lucas was trying to do.
A micro world within the Star Wars universe. Its like getting to know our own cells that are living within our bodies.
I really like that idea, and if it was what Mr. Lucas had in mind then I am sad that I will not get to see it. It sounds epic and wonderful just like "A New Hope" was when I watched it at 9 years old on a large screen. I saw a story then that was larger than I could have imagined and I loved every minute of it.
I think this could've been a great trilogy. It could've expanded Star Wars in a way that no one would've ever thought and brought a close to the saga.
Your whills theory reminds me of Abeloth and Nihilus trying to consume everything.
"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. ..." thats the opening of every star wars movie. I was already thinking about but after this line you know some things:
1: Star Wars Universe really exists parallel
2: Star Wars Universe died somehow and everything with it
3: Star Wars Universe died out and only humans survived (we are the human i am talking about)
So if i am right number 1 isn't possible cause if it is reality some star wars guys should have discovered earth already and would be here
OR they have rules to not have contact with us but somehow George knows about them
And if star wars is really just out of his mind there can only be 2 or 3 possible to create a story
And so it is obvious that star wars universe dies out cause i don't now of anyone who get things told threw the force but it could be possible that humanity lost connection threw the force got to earth somehow and forgot about the technology they had.
All i want to say if you read the first sentence of every movie, you know that the star wars story will lead into a absolutely tragic ending.
Cause it says it's in our universe, just in another time and another galaxy.
I just watched this video and, in my opinion, the story that is hypothesized sounds more profound and interesting than what has been done so far.
This is one of your best videos ever.
Picking up what vague clues we have and formulating this story, well let’s say it reminds me of Miles Dyson from Terminator 2, gave us new ideas, took us in directions we would have never thought of.
This sounds much better than the result of the sequel trilogy, which we know now is a simple copy of the original three films.
I would have loved to see this and it explains Lucas’ mindset in the Charlie Rose interview where he disliked the idea of Disney doing a “retro movie”.
It gives Luke’s life a real purpose. Instead of the sham that was presented in Episode VIII.
This IS the craziest theory/story I've heard. I love it. Straight up it would be hard to make but would have been amazing
"He could release a script... But that might irk Disney."
Sounds like a good reason for toadneck to do exactly that
I love this version of the sequel trilogy. I wish George hadn't sold Star Wars
Damn shame Disney chose not use his story treatment. Hope one day he releases it.
I wish he sold it to someone who would have done what he wanted. I like (not love or really like, just like) the sequels, but George started the franchise, it should have been his vision that concluded it.
It's such a crazy theory thus it's so believable! Also this theory is like poetry, it rythmes... sound familiar?
You make a good point. The story and structure were always the things that mattered to Lucas.... which is why I could see him doing something like this.
Alan Moore put it best, the fans aren't right, if they were than they would be the creators. Lucas is the creator so he knows best. This Disney movies are horrible because this are not movies made to create anything, they are just playing with Lacas' creations and add nothing of importance, Disney is the true parasite.
I want this. I totally support George Lucas vision and I see the art of the 6 films. Sure they all have issues, especially the prequels, but George's vision comes first.
If you read my comment on the EU I stated I wish Disney took more inspiration from them. I think the EU is great, but if George was at the helm in creating the sequels I would totally be fine if I don't see great characters like Kyle Kattan or Jaina Solo. I just think Disney should bend to the fans while Lucas has free regin.
Although hopefully the fans are not so divided that such an action would be a futile move... With identity politics and anxieties about modern masculinity running rife.
I am a casual fan of the Star Wars movies. I do have a love for people telling great stories, and I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Thanks!
I love this because it would be the story of how humans gained free will and would completly deconstruct the idea of the chosen one
I would love a series of novels or comic adaptation of Luca's sequel trilogy.
ME TOO!!!
Or even animated movies
I think the idea had so much potential. Based on what he's said about the Force apart from all this, I'd say the Whills could very much be a hard sci-fi take on angels and demons... he makes it sound like they have individual consciousness, apart from one another... and if the Force is still, "the" Force, and they feed off of it while being generally perceived as one with the Force, that would technically make them "spiritual beings;" similar to ideas that ancient peoples praying to gods of their culture could actually be addressing aliens in an alternate dimension who serve or manipulate the balance of alternate dimensions to serve their own agendas. That has some pretty sinister implications for everything Star Wars has ever been.
What's interesting is how would he have put these kinds of beings to screen? His prequels had a lot of story that was implied through dialogue, matters of psychology that were so dense they couldn't outright be written as they were happening and had to be shaped through the contrast between dialogue and action, which didn't jive with many viewers - who took to criticizing Anakin's "abrupt turn" or the "weak dialogue", expecting something lofty, poetic, and simple, like Larry's straight forward scripts for Empire and Return. I imagine the dialogue would have been very, very confusing and cryptic for most viewers, and these unseen beings would remain unseen as their influence guided the characters on screen to do their bidding in such a way as to unveil their true nature.
The very nature of the story would require a doubling down on the most criticized aspects of the prequel trilogy. Suffice to say, people would be so lost and confused, not to mention angry; and left even less of the base human relational driving force that made the original trilogy story and characters so endearing. It would be a story very deeply entrenched in a hard lore dump. It would have been fascinating to see.
I get the idea though, based on just what I observe about George and how his ideas evolve, he may have just been dressing his concept in hard sci-fi lingo based on who he was talking to. If you think about the meat rather than the seasoning, it lines up with everything he's ever said about the Force... except it's being expressed to James Cameron as part of a cinematic sci-fi compendium project, so it has to fit the bill.
More like lovecraftian beings but yes the idea would be awesome .
Thumbs up solely based on your avatar
It would make sense as a book series.
The Mandalorian has done a much better job of building a post-ROTJ universe than the sequel trilogy. Remnant fanatics of the Empire are trying to resurrect it, which is often what happens when an empire falls, especially one built around an ideology.
The "Long live the empire" scene in the episode where the guy tries to dive the ship into the sea was more effective at displaying the continuation of the empire's fanaticism than the whole sequel trilogy.
I never understood the hate about midichlorians, but it's always risky as a story-teller to bring something big about the world so late in the story, without alienating the audience (thinking about the whills in the Lucas-sequels now).
At least, I'd rather have that a thousand times over than the social marxist-filtered, shitty, cheap and incoherent writing that we got.
social marxist-filtered?! I mean, yeah, story telling is bad. But you must have taken serious stuff man or simply do not know anything about it. Just like with novels, reading is learning. A lifetime. On the other hand, maybe you are already on the dark side and can't open the holocron hehe ...
He was already setting this up with Yoda in the Clone Wars series. Which, btw, was the most interesting part of that series.
It's a shame we never got a Tolkien-type in-depth dive into the metaphysics of Lucas' universe. But seeing what he had in mind, I'm 100% behind it. We would have "understood the great mystery" that Palpatine talks about in ROTS.
tools i would say servants of the whills. Im a new subscriber by the way keep up the good work its actualy good and refreshing to hear someone talk about the depth of the star wars galexy again.
Thank you for saying that and for subscribing. Welcome aboard!
Servants Of The Whills sounds like it would've been one of the movie titles in this trilogy.
Common misconception about the parasite/symbiosis difference.
Symbiosis is actually a type of parasitic dynamic.
I love it. I'd love to see a beat-by-beat telling of the story based on this premise from you.
Please?
On the plus end, it'll open up more venues as well as a conflict. The stronger you are being Force sensitive, the bigger the food source you are to the Will. Which could lead to a conflict of "Should we remain being Force sensitive", "can we use this to fight against the Will", or "do we shut ourselves completely from the Force and live on". Those sound like three individual movies already.
Episode 7: "The Force, a Weakness"
Episode 8: "The Woke Jedi"
Episode 9: "The Rise of Mary Sue"
I’m not a great fan of the prequels but George knows how to make a different story in the same universe that connects to the previous, I want to see him back and I have said that for years ... before the Disney takeover
Lucas has always believed that the Whills recorded events.......now we learn they are far more active. In a way, they seem to be Gods that remote control every aspect of the Force, dictating it to their whims.
If we can apply that belief to the ST, that the Whills indeed control everyone and everything, is it perhaps _they_ who tried to get Luke to kill Ben? And when he failed, resisting their commands, they had Ben destroy Luke's Jedi Order in retaliation that he didn't do what they wanted?
That is a hell of an interesting idea right there. That the Whills corrupted Luke. I kinda like it and it.
Also, I too always thought the Whills were little more than observers...
No dont try to use this to try to justify those shit movies no
@@perfectcell5613never! lol. More of a creative exercise in trying to explain the madness of their choices for Luke Skywalker that actually makes sense instead of "I feel bad about Ben."
Lucas started out as an experimental filmmaker. The sequel trilogy would have been amazing if he'd just gone full tilt and spiritual. Just images of the Wills just swaying back and forth between images of the Force.
Anyone remember Kennedy saying Lucasfilms new trilogy was following Lucas original idea for the sequel trilogy?
I guess they were just on damage control.
I think this is awesome. Star Wars as George Lukas imagined it, and we loved it, was about the prophecy of the chosen on who would've bring balance to the force. A story starting from the father to son! The sequels we got have nothing to do about it. Luka's sequels would have done the OT even better I think because our protagonist would be the one who searching the deeper secrets of the force! I just wish in some way someday we will be able to see this amazing storyline with Luke of coarse!
I so wish this had been made
The Whills inclusion would’ve been trippy, for sure, but at least it moved the story forward, rather than milking nostalgia. From what information has leaked out over the past few years, Lucas certainly had a n excellent story for Luke & Leia. How exactly did the Whill play into the overall plot? Unsure. Honestly, Lucas’ treatment is the only ending to the Skywalker Saga I can consider canon. The previous six films were all written/co-written by Lucas, the stories were his, and he’s the creator of the franchise. The Disney trilogy makes the whole saga feel incomplete and rather pointless.
Your idea actually sound really interesting
Its not exactly what people would expect and no doubt people would hate the idea the Jedi are no more than tools ..however i can also see how a story like that would work in the star wars universe, with the ending ‘freeing’ the force, meaning there are no more jedi/sith/force users in general making it more like our galaxy
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I totally think Lucas's idea would be better.
I have always wondered what the Whills were. And seeing on film a presentation of the ethereal reality of the force and the whills would have been awesome.
This whole thing about a rebel force against an empire got old already. we needed new stuff and Disney only wanted to repeat what went right with the original trilogy.
thor remember pablo hildalgo also dished on georges sequel ideas which was the son of han and leia would turn and destroy lukes order and uber(snoke) was the main villain and talon(old eu character) was also a villain, the son would kill his father(han and fully commit to the dark side after this) . Kira(rey) would be the main character and would meet a rogue neo empire trooper skyler(finn) and luke would be depressed and much different on the island of the first jedi temple but kira would help luke get out of his depression and get back in the fight. . Uber(snoke) in his concept art when they were still fully going with georges ideas looked like a whill from clone wars but a monster type, a parasite like you said. so i think we would have gotten something similar but different. as mr myagi says different but same. take out killing luke and snoke in 8 though.
Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten about that. Sounds like that may (or may not) fit in with this theory.
wicket warrick mark hamill said Luke was going to die in 9. Plus Harrison Ford was only going to come back if they killed him off. So either write him out or kill him to move the plot forward . I like what JJ did. But Pablo was good friends with Lucas why would he lie?
wicket warrick Pablo a bully? Where is the proof there? He hates George ? Ummm he worked with George on the prequels 😂🤣. Where you get your info geeks and gamers ?
wicket warrick lol when did Pablo say that. Learn some grammar as well bro before you start a smear campaign against Pablo who has done nothing. TRAITOR.
wicket warrick it’s traitor kid...... spell right. Also no Rian Johnson said this. Pablo never did ... come back when you are a little older to debate such things.
Subject of the video and my opinions on it aside...I love your aproach to everything, it's calm and easy going. I'm not a passionate fan who gets really angry over stuff...but I can't imagine someone getting angry at you anyways. Great video, I enjoy listening to your thoughts.
Now for the subject, it's interesting, nothing I would have ever imagined, I like to think about how it would unrawell but I might not like it to be the new movies, not that I'm a huge fan of what we got recently...but hey, in the moment they entertained me, well the first one did.
People lost their shit when ships needing fuel was vital to the plot in TLJ, I can only imagine how they would have reacted to George's sequel trilogy.
Hmmm, would this be better? Lets see...
1. Luke gets a kid
2. Leia becomes a Jedi
3. Luke gets a satesfying death
4. No feminist picked main character
5. No OP Rey
6. Dive deeper into mediclorians (which we know little about and im curious)
7. Wouldn't forget about the foundation of SW
Idk mby it would be just a tiny bit better...
That sounds badass man, and imagine what force users could do without the force being constantly siphoned from the whills.
Honestly, I think the best outcome would have been for Disney to shitcan both Lucas's ideas and JJ/Ryan's ideas, and instead make movie adaptations of Knights of the Old Republic I & II - with an original production to finish off Revan and the Exile's story rather than attempting to raise the TORtanic. After which, they'd have been left with an entire universe of Star Wars to play around in and tell their own stories which offered audiences exactly what they want - more of the same, but completely different. It could have also been a good opportunity to lay the groundwork and slowly ease audiences into the ideal of Wills and whatnot (especially using Kreia's storyline as a vehicle) so that if they wanted to do Lucas's sequel trilogy later - it wouldn't have been so jarring for audiences and fans.
To all those who gave him shit for the prequels, thanks for absolutely nothing. YOU are the reason he sold the company.
This was HIS story. NOT yours. Now it belongs to the rat in Orlando.
Happy now?
it 100% would have been better than what disney did, just couldnt realize it without hindsight