The new German double-decker train that everybody HATES!
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- This is Deutsche Bahn's new Twindexx Intercity 2 train, a controversial addition to the DB fleet. Does this double-decker train really deserve the hate it gets? Let's find out today, as I travel from Nuremburg to Stuttgart in First Class.
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Journey Details:
Origin: Nürnberg Hbf
Destination: Stuttgart Hbf
Company: Deutsche Bahn (DB)
Train: DB 147.5 + Intercity 2 'Twindexx Vario'
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 203 kilometres / 126 miles
Price: €33.80 (£28.40 / $34.40)
Time: 2 hours 10 minutes, arrived 9 minutes late
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Among Germans this train has earned the nickname Teppich RE, transalating to carpet Regional train, which describes it pretty well
And i have no Problem with it.
Die Bahn hätte ihn ja auch mit einer Zulassung von 189 km/h bestellen können… Aber die Strecken sind ja ‘für diese Geschwindigkeit nicht ausgelegt‘.
@@AntonasBWklar sind sie das größtenteils. Nur ist es unnötig weil ICEs für diese Strecken da sind
@@AntonasBW These units run on following >= 200 km/h tracks:
Köln-Hannover-Dresden (~ 700 km)
(parallel) Hannover-Leipzig
Köln-Bremen
Nürnberg-Regensburg
München-Augsburg
Karlsruhe-Frankfurt-Erfurt-Leipzig (~ 500 km)
@@valentin6824Ich liebe IC 2
The IC2 is a RE with white paint. Not more, not less. People complain, because of this re-branding. If they just call it "RE", nobody would complain. But by branding it as "IC" they make more money... Same with some former IC routes which are now converted to ICE without actually improving travel times. It's all about making more and more money and therefore it's fair to complain.
Wrong it does not stop at most of the Stations an RE would. The IC is faster and has less stops
@alphafoxy8503 Sure, the RE stops more, but it barely makes a difference. Between Nürnberg and Stuttgart, for instance, the time difference between IC and RE is about 10 minutes. On a journey of more than 2 hours, it doesn't justify triple the cost.
Leave the country before its too late! //
@@freibert Bro I am born in germany
@@xBrisusing the RE on this route is extremely unrealiable. It is very often cancelled or has a low capacity. Also it runs only every 2 hour.
I think most of the dislike for these trains comes not necessarily from what they are, but from what they are marketed as. As medium distance trains, they seem perfectly pleasant, but they carry the once prestigeous InterCity name. An IC without a restaurant car and somewhat tight double deck interior just doesn't feel right, even if it's totally fine on medium distance journeys.
They weirdly fit right into the former product category of InterRegio that was discontinued in the 2000s, medium to long distance trains that also serve smaller places which otherwise wouldn't get intercity services. In fact, some IC2 routes are basically reintroductions of old IR lines. I wonder what the public perception of these trains would be if they were marketed as "the new InterRegio".
There's one quirk of the trains I wanna mention: They are loco hauled, as shown in the video, but they act as fixed units. That means that you can't separate any car, including the locomotive, from the set outside of a maintainance facility. IIRC that allows the doors to be centrally monitored from the cab, which wouldn't otherwise be possible, but the disadvantage is that if the locomotive breaks, you can't replace it easily and a rescue loco will have to haul the broken one with it as dead weight, or more likely, the train just gets cancelled outright.
They are lacking a plethora of comfort markers of the old intercity rolling stock, including variation in seating options, ride comfort, velocity and such stupid things as "how one broken toilet affects the train"...
@@theodorthegreathe They are definitely incomparable to the old IC rolling stock, but I don't think it's useful to compare them. The old IC trains are being replaced by ICEs, especially with the ICE L coming in 2025. Those can actually compete with the comfort of the old ICs. The IC2s are (mostly) used on routes where the lower comfort, the lack of a proper buffet car and lower top speed don't matter as much, so they aren't really a replacement for the old IC. That's why I think it's not worth comparing IC and IC2 and why the IC2 lable might not be the best choice.
Completely agree with you on the error in marketing it as an IC.
You just triggerd my memories of those awful InterRegio trains. Gees they were awful. Like sitting on a plastic seat.
Yes. The IC was once the descendant of the 'Grand trains' like the Rheingold.
'The new German double-decker train that everybody HATES!' describes a video about a clean, smooth and silent riding train, while 'This is the INCREDIBLE new Dutch high-speed train!' explains to us, that the brand new dutch IC train that is annoyingly noisy and evermore so dirty. (from 11:50 in the latter video)
I see someone got indulged in the German art of complaining about everything :D
If you use these car as your daily commuter train, or even for, ' metro', you just get disappointed to put this design originated from 1965 in the category of high speed trains.
It's not about the car itself, it's about calling it Intercity.
People are mixing this with the Intercity express.
In Holland you have no train running 8 hours in one direction.
If you confirm it's designed for a 2 hour ride, you are exactly right.
For 8 hours you need more comfort.
@@holger_p If people are confused and mistake an IC to an ICE, that's their fault. Also, 8hrs on any long distance train is not necessarily desirable. Doable, but not my wildest dream.
So, to see what this 8hrs-argument is all about, I checked the fares from Cologne to Dresden for a random date in August. With some 7.5hrs, this is close enough to 8hrs. It's actually more expensive than the faster ICE. Looks like DB defines this service to establish better connections *along* this route, not from start-to-finish. Same logic applies to Leipzig-Karlsruhe/7hrs. ICE is faster and cheaper.
And as far as I know there are 3 types of IC2 in operation. The two newer models are capable of speeds of 200km/h. Just like the original IC1.
You mentioned the pretty well top speed of 160km/h. The sad part is that this is the top speed of most double decker RE trains and many other RE trains. The old IC's have a top speed of 200km/h.
Yes. On a technical level, "high-speed" trains in Germany are those above 160kmh. That's when you need all new train controls and safety measures and more strict track geometries. So from that perspective these trains are not even high-speed ones.
In Mexico the Abuela Killer a.k.a. Tren Maya is high speed at 160 km/h but in reality anything above 100 km/h is "ludicrous speed" considering the infrastruscture we have.
Most of the railway network is downgraded to 160km/h anyway ... it happens with the time as the tolerances are tight for 200km/h (the upper limit of 200km/h is most often the lower limit for 160km/h and on the lower limit you don't need to do a risk assessment ... if you are constantly on the upper limit on all tolerances it's not feasible to maintain the tracks as you are in constant repairing the tracks). There was a 340km/h track and it's now down to 260km/h as it was not possible to maintain it in the long term (they cut the stop at audi-city as nearly nobody ever exit or enter the trains there).
Even more sad if you consider, that the twindexx double deckers are available with a top speed of 200 km/h (used in Belgium)
"well maintained german track system" you gotta be joking
*in comparison to other countries
As an Austrian I had to laugh hard. Until I remembered that people have died as a result of poor track maintenance by DB (Burgrain 2022).
@@to_loww Yes. But that's all to blame to politics... Traindriver speaking.
It's mostly extremely well maintained - track quality in Germany in terms of geometry, smoothness etc is leagues ahead of France, Italy, or Britain
@@to_lowwBAHAHAHA you’re Austrian, you’re like desperately looking for a flaw and then plunging on it like a hyena 😂 so bitter
You know it's gonna be good when the locomotive looks like it's wearing a container.
I never got how that could aerodynamically make any sense. But Bombardier has to know..
Wanna experiance more container? look up BR 155
@@djytonly5653 wasn't ment to be used like this. Bombardier had made this design choice so operators could easily use branding als the sides of the Traxx AC3 locomotive is one big 'flex' panel where in only a few hours a flexible panel could be installed :-) Unfortunately only a handful of locomotives received such a panel hence why this feature was removed from the Track MS3/DC3
What does "wearing a container" mean?
@@moover123 "looks like a container"
Hey, I LOVE these!!! For one specific reason: i have two young kids, and the family area in most long distance trains is a disaster: close to the restaurant in the middle of the train, always full, lots of people coming through all the time, it's never relaxed unless you get a spot in the tiny, cramped small kids compartment (which is, well, cramped and tiny). Now on these trains, there is a whole family deck, upstairs, on the end of the train. It's super quiet and relaxed. Nobody bothers you. The kids can roam freely. The ride is super smooth. The view is excellent. Yeah, there is no restaurant, but i don't get to enjoy it anyway. The sandwiches are surprisingly nice, and as long as i get coffee i'm fine.
Edit: And i rode this exact line last summer! It was excellent!
Edit 2: The wide doors and entry areas are also a major plus for everyone who squeezes in with lots of luggage, kids and, god forbid, a stroller.
Good to hear these pros!
Thanks for your perspective! Trains need to work for a wide variety of people with different needs!
A family section in the last car is a good idea. Is this unique to German trains? Never see it mentioned on British trains for example. Two toilets per car is also great. I am surprised that a restaurant car (or a buffet section) is expected on a trip of only two hours 10 minutes; where I live nobody expects a buffet car on an intercity trip of 2 hours 30 minutes, nor do they care that there isn't one. Mind you, "where I live" is an Australian state (NSW) into which Germany can fit two and a half times (and even has two time zones, it's that big).
@@ktipuss since i have kids all my long distance travels have been on ICE trains, and they all have the family zone close to the Bistro car in the middle of the train, which is good, but also problematic because everybody going to grab a snack will walk through there.
The expectation, i think, results from DB categorizing - and pricing - these trains as Inter City trains. Normally ICs serve much longer routes (yet slower than an ICE) where you would expect more service. When i was a student, they still had an intermediate category called Inter Regio and Inter Regio Express, which also covered longer distances, but had more stops and served smaller stations. No idea if these are still around. Having said that, i think the reason why they called this an Inter City route is that this is a very wealthy part of Germany and they can charge more this way.
@@ktipuss This example trip is not the full length of this line, as I understand. And there are some other lines where these trains are used. (But I also never use the on-board gastronomic services, they are just overpriced.)
The thing is, the old Intercity was *the* premium product of DB back when it was introduced. The legendary TEE trains were included in the IC scheme.
So IC's were the fastest and most comfortable way to travel on German rails. When the ICE was introduced, this changed and the classic IC had to find a new role. But for years, the difference was mostly just the speed (IC up to 200km/h, ICE depending on the specific train 230-320km/h) and the age of the trains and sort of playing into that their comfort (partly still manual doors on IC, louder background noises, only partially fitted with AC etc.). But the rest was mostly the same.
And I think the IC 2 is a continuation of the differentiation process that DB is trying to achieve here. They're trying to downgrade it to make it distinct from ICE trains and to be able to offer long distance services (which in Germany are not subsidised at all, they have to make a profit!) to smaller towns and cities which otherwise may not get it.
That's the reason why DB introduced the extended IC line from Nürnberg to Leipzig via Bamberg, Saalfeld and Jena. While that line used to have ICE connections to Berlin and Munich every two hours, as soon as the high speed line opened, they all disappeared and moved to the HSL. All that was left was a single IC per day. Now they turned it up to five per day.
That's what the new IC brand is meant for. Long distance services for smaller lines away from high speed corridors at reasonable prices. But with a clear distinction in comfort from DB's premium offer. So yea, you can complain all you like, but I believe it was intentional. Maybe not in this specific way which is essentially just a white painted regional train fitted with carpet (Teppich-RE) but a clear downgrade to its ICE's.
That's at least my opinion.
Uuuf, too long🫣
But why would people travelling to these smaller cities want less comfort? I mean, less comfort for cheaper trains is okay, but as I understand there won't usually be a competition between ICE and these ICs on the same route.
ICE 1st class was above anything else for any European traveler, probably even better than Shinkansen's. In that respect I don't see IC 2 as a similar case of differentiation, it isn't worth the moniker imho, if anything it is as close to being RE 2 but it would get confusing as it doesn't make regional stops, so the way I see it it's neither one of them, it's another type of train for which they chose a more appealing name.
Looking at the trains, they are now using RE trains known for decades with a slightly different interior but less stops and longer routes
You describe it well, almost like you work for DB. But it is still a reduction in quality and amenity for passengers and a crass attempt to improve profitability for DB. Less comfort, less space, less room for luggage, less food and drink options and what there is is truck stop quality. This is absolutely a loss for passengers…
Even though the Twindexx IC2 does not match the quality of the old IC 1, I think the train is somehow ok. The issue that I have with this train that it just does not make sense on the routes I travel (Karlsruhe - Stuttgart). On the same route a regional train (Stadler Flirt 3) is operated which can be used with the 49€ ticket without any extra charge and which is sometimes even scheduled faster than the IC 2.
Same goes for Nürnberg-Stuttgart
Yeah, this line does not have any high speed rail (at least until Bamberg-Fürth is finished), so from Nürnberg to Stuttgart its only 15-20 minutes faster due to lack of stops.
It makes sense if you would have to change (e.g. if you go Karlsruhe-Nürnberg or Ansbach-Bamberg) or if you don't have a 49€ ticket on a longer trip
@@wernerderchamp since there is the RE90 from Stuttgart to Nürnberg, which u can use with a valid DTicket, this is even more hilarious
Wasnt there an IC2 going Stuttgart-Konstanz too? What happened to it? If I remember correctly you could use the dticket on it
I also used it rarely yet, only in March last year I went from Braunschweig to Leipzig with the IC and it was fine (took around 2 hours), however, I went to Leipzig again in October and because of the D-Ticket took the RB40 to Magdeburg (takes around 70 minutes) and then the RE13 to Leipzig (around 1:40) with around 45 minutes changing time (you can comfortably buy some groceries in the Kaufland in the nearby City Caree or have a breakfast/lunch etc.) but all together it almost takes a whopping four hours...
Berlin is even faster with the ICE it takes only 1:30 while you need almost four with the regional RE40 to Magdeburg and then the RE1 (operated by ODEG and they use Siemens Desiro HC trains, these are an interesting combination of single- and double-decker), also with around 45 minutes waiting time in between.
I love the style and the narration of your videos! I really enjoyed this one!
Keep up your work! ☺️❤️
Greetings from Switzerland!
6:24 Johann Sebastian Bach never visited Ansbach, let alone lived there.
Maybe they confused it with Arnstadt? Bit of a stretch, though.
@@th60of There's a Festival dedicated to Bach in Ansbach, maybe this was some kind of translation error from german to english (also small towns in germany usually are in desperate search of some uniqueness :) )
@@th60of There is a big Bach festival in Ansbach every year. Perhaps he has seen some posters.
The name Ansbach does however "contain" Bach's surname 😂
Its water.
No restaurant being on the train is the biggest disappointment for me.
For me this is the only big downside. I really like the double decker and the seats are okay. It's really annoying that it doesn't have it, regional makes sense but it's a IC
Only ICEs have a restaurant/bistro nowadays.
It’s only a 2 hours ride so it’s not to bad on this route. Sadly DB has been fading out the restaurant car on all non high speed long distances routes. So now the Amsterdam-Berlin connection (more then 6 hours) is also without its iconic restaurant, one of my favorite trains in the world
On THIS train. In Germany, a missing restaurant car is something rare on IC services. In Romania... It's pretty usual.
@@XTREAMER3850 there are no IC services in Germany that have a restaurant car
Go-Ahead is now owned by ÖBB which makes it an Austrian operator.
🤓☝
They also operate in England (Thameslink, Great Northern, Gatwick express) so the confusion makes sense. But yeah the owner is the Austrian State
@@MrJimheeren They're going to rebrand soon.
Better to say Austrian-Spanish operator 51-49%
@@BJHolloway1 Australian (not Austrian)-Spanish!
And they sold off their German subsidiary to the Austrian (not Australian) Federal Railways.
I recently went on the double decker from Munich to Stuttgart. As a British person I was absolutely blown away by it. If we had that back home we'd be closer to having a decent railway network, but saying that..ours would probably break down every 5 minutes and be delayed by a year.
Remember: Germans always complain, regardless of how good or bad something is.
I'm quite sure about that because I'm a German myself.
The UK introduced a too small clearance gauge for trains more than 100 years ago, therefore there is not enough space above British tracks for doubledecker rail vehicles.
Germans always complain, especially concerning Deutsche Bahn. Even if you give them the best trains in the world for free, they will still be considered to be bad and expensive.
@@kantharos That's a common misconception, whilst you aren't entirely incorrect though, there are quite a few lines where the clearance is higher. I remember seeing a study conducted years back and roughly 20% of the network could use modern double decker trains, and the rest could accommodate a special design. It would mean crouching to get to your seats though but it's definitely doable on high capacity lines for the average commuter. Comfy? Probably not, but doable.
@@NoBSTravelChannel The good old make, do and mend attitude. That's why everything in the UK is less than mediocre, whike fooling yourself it is the envy of the world or world beating.
For me, there is one big advantage to these trains: Their price! Yes, they are not nearly as comfortable as a modern ICE, but in my experience, tickets are significantly cheaper. In an ideal world, most long distance routes would be served by both. A fast and very comfortable ICE network and an IC-service that is slower, connects smaller towns and is cheaper. Also, the cheaper operating costs enables DB to connect cities where other trains would simply not be economical. Sadly, that is not how Deutsche Bahn has branded this train...
And if they're 20 minutes late, you can take an ICE anyway, and might even reach your destination earlier than scheduled.
In my experience the doppeldecker runs way better than the old ones
If these train stops at most smaller cities, what does set them apart from RE trains? If most people are unhappy that this is just an upbranded RE with a higher price tag, you are happy because it's not as expensive as an ICE? That's a good view to be happy in life ;)
@@boatMatthias The routes are longer than the typical RE routes, e.g. you can go from Dortmund to Frankfurt or from Cologne to Stuttgart on them. Also, most REs still stop more often than the IC 2 routes, the ICs just tend to stop more often than ICEs.
@@boatMatthias Yes, they do stop at smaller cities, but there are two things that set them apart from REs. First, REs don't only stop at smaller cities, but also at a lot of villages and multiple times per city. So the IC stops less frequently. 2nd, the ICs generally don't travel on the same routes as REs, but serve much longer lines (like Dresden - Cologne or Leipzig - Karlsruhe). To go the same route by RE, you would have to switch trains probably 4 times
Your German pronunciation is really impressive! Certainly more impressive than these trains. ;)
I'd like to see a comparison video with the other IC trains btw (the Stadler ones).
IC2 bombardier vs stadler ic2 vs ic1
And perhaps also an RE comparison on those routes, where the IC2 Twindexx is almost completely useless since services either similarly fast or equal exist, like between Koblenz and Frankfurt, where there are RE Twindexxes going between or Wuppertal and Cologne, where the same rails are used.
12:06 I really want to see you make a video on this train.😊
Great Video, glad to see you travelling through my hometown 😊 I would love to see a video on the IC2 Stadler units!
Germans: Hate the train.
Australians: I wish we had such a luxurious service for such short intercity hops.
I am german and I like the IC2 ;)
That's german national sports for ya: Complaining about ANYTHING. Even about good stuff.
east coast of australia has a really good train line but it's pretty limited in scope
I really well made/edited video. Nice one Albs 👍
Awesome video! thanks for sharing with us. Love your accent :)
Got your video recommended really randomly on my front page.
11:30 yay my home town^^
Good impression mate, keep it going =)
Thank you so much! 😍
I take this train from Nürnberg to Karlsruhe and back about once or twice a month. Yeah it's not super comfortable but it's fine and clean. Main problem is that the trains are more faulty than Windows ME! One in four journeys or more is interrupted by faulty fire alarms, broken doors, "software problems" and more. It's so frustrating.
I think it is running on windows ME.
As someone else said, some locos unironically run on Windows ME
Windows ME? Heathens! What's wrong with MS-DOS?
@@grizeldiSLO Was the hard drive for unix too expensive?
@@dennisbeier4011 No idea, I just listened to one of our local locomotive drivers ramble about having to wait for Windows to boot every time 😅
I still can't believe the delay was only 9 minutes.
as a german i was searching for this comment xD
Great video, at least they sell beer 🍺I've got no problem with the limited food, as long as they have beer. Its only a couple hours anyway from Nuremberg to Stuttgart.
honestly, your closing comment is well on point. IC1 is replaced mostly by ICE 4 or ICE L trains; only secondary routes are served by IC 2. As someone travelling between major cities on a daily basis, it's rare that I spend more than an hour or two in one of those and then they are just fine. Germany's national sport is complaining, just keep that in mind ;)
IC2 is the new Interregio
I find the thumbnail really hilarious! Greetings from Germanya. 😂❤
I did the same journey on the same train and it was very confortable. Nothing to complain about.
Really like your videos and your German pronounciation is fantastic 👏
The older cars were delivered to Bulgaria and now i cant wait to see them in move!
Thank u My dear Albie.... For taking me to Germany.... enjoyed the video a lot....
Glad you enjoyed it 😁
On the Stuttgart - Singen Route you can Travel on the IC2 for free (if you have the deutschland ticket)
I wanted to say the same. A much better option then traveling on the bwegt trains, and you can buy at least some coffee on the way. I love them as a free RE Upgrade.
The same is between Bremen an Norddeich Mole, IC2 can be used with D-Ticket.
P.S.
Nürnberg is in the Frankonia part of Bavaria. A very important point for the Frankonian People
The vibe Germany gives off in every way, from railways to the countryside, ist sehr schön!
As someone who was reliant on thesse trains for many years, I am really glad that now the Stadler IC2 are operating on most services I use. They are much more reliable and comfortable and provide a smoother train ride. Btw., I'm kinda surprised you didn't feel like traveling on a ship as you chose to sit on the upper level. In my experience they tend to shake a lot sometimes.
The Stadler ones are bought used from Westbahn and they're way better
I love these!
The KISS ones are better than the Twindexx ones, which basically are just REs with marginally better seats. The KISS in general is better than both the Twindexx and Desiro HC, even in it's RE variant used on the RE80 in Schleswig-Holstein.
The Desiro HC is not bad though - at least for now they are pretty new
Nice video. Greetings from a train dispatcher trainee between Crailsheim and Aalen
Awesome! Thanks for watching. :)
What a surprise! In Switzerland we also have the Bombardier Twindexx and they also suck
Big time !
I don't like them on the IC1 :(
They don't suck on regional routes. The Schleswig-Holstein Express is one of the best regional services in the whole country. And it's run with Twindexx units too. But it's just not up to DB Fernverkehr's standards.
But aren't they quite different? Given the DB Twindexx uses a locomotive it has a completely different engine layout, was meant to have some tilting while the DB Twindexx are just a bunch of carriages like the IC2000 in Switzerland.
Interesting report. Thumbs up! :)
Tangential note, but the remark at 6:29 is incorrect - Bach never lived in (or, as far as it seems to be known, even visited) Ansbach. Perhaps there is some confusion with Arnstadt here?
If you get the chance, i highly recommend testing the new NMBS/SNCB M7 coaches. I take them every week and while their comfort isnt the best, they are still lovely to ride on
Nice video as usual! Maybe an idea for the next one, in Belgium there's still some of the (at this point ancient) EMU's in service (AM66), they'll probably all be gone by the end of the year. Might be worth giving them a look before they're gone forever?
I used to travel quite frequently between Nürnberg and Stuttgart and i wish i had these trains! Those old trains you saw? Thats what i rode, lol.😊
Nuremberg‘s station is stunning! I was just there a couple weeks ago.
As a German it’s crazy hearing well maintained rails because that’s far from the truth DB is massively underfunded
I traveled with an IC train like this last month and my journey was good. Good view and an empty, quiet train. Good Wifi and some mobile games provided by DB that I could play with my roommate, who was traveling with me. There was a DB guy who sold coffee, too. All in all, a pretty relaxed journey.
Oh, and I paid just 23€ for the Bremen -Cologne route
nice video Superabls! a suggestion is to ride on LNER class 91 or GWR class 43
As others have said, this is an RE painted white. It's not an IC. It's not an adequate replacement for the classic ICs which are almost gone.
I sat in one from Cottbus Hbf to Hannover Hbf for over 6 hours in 2 klasse and it broke my back, I could not believe that a Regional train (Br 463) had better seats that an IC 2.
Six hours? Was there a detour?
@@avmz111 no just Signal and track issues that added 30 minutes
@@gulaschkarauski1384but why would you ever choose to take that route? I didnt even know it existed but i know the RE to Berlin takes 1 hr and the ICE from Berlin to Hannover takes 2 hours, why would you book a 5.5 hr train instead?
@@cooltwittertag it was convenient and ut was way cheaper than the ice as it was a rather sudden jorney
Fun Fact at the price example you are showing at 5:55, you can use the IC Train from Norddeich Mole to Bremen Hbf also with the cheaper regional train ticket because here, the train is a replacement for a regional train due to the reason, that the RE 1 only drives every two hours.
Fun Fact, you can even ride an ICE for the same reasons and with the same condition as the regional train ticket (including the Deutschlandticket) between Rostock and Stralsund.
The IC2 is such a rebranded regional service, that there's routes (e.g. IC34 Dortmund - Siegen), where you can ride it with your Deutschlandticket or regional subscription and not lose or gain any comfort or speed.
Isn't the IC34 only allowed to be used with normal tickets (or something equal), but not the DeutschlandTicket? Otherwise, it is the same and the Twindexx in the video wasn't even allowed to go faster than 160km/h.
Deutschlandtickets are accepted between Dortmund and Dillenburg.
On the Düsseldorf to Gera Intercity you get the old carriages and can use your regional tickets from erfurt to gera. The ticketing options are not so much about the rolling stock, but if the train replaces regional services
Switzerland has been using DoStos for two decades and no one has ever complained...
@@cehaem2 Switzerland is also tiny, the longest IC in Switzerland (St.Gallen-Geneva) is 363km, you can take Regionalexpress RE1 in Northrhine-Westphalia, which is 296km long, and barely cross half of the state.
I think the screenshot you showed at 5:55 perfectly shows the issue.
It's a very similar looking train with a very similar level of comfort, but the price is more than double, almost triple.
And it only saves you 20 minutes of the train ride, in that case it's 8% faster.
The IC2 train looks very beautiful in my opinion 😊
I love IC 2
its a repainted Regional Express train nothing special
I used one of these recently. In my opinion, it's just okay. Nothing really stood out to me, but it did the job... after a 15 minute delay caused by a faulty door.
I'm a frequent visitor in BaWü and seeing the BWegt trains always makes me smile. In terms of livery only SBB can compete with this color scheme.
I think the new IC units are actually ok for shorter journeys. I commute around Germany a lot and caught an IC from Leipzig Hbf to Jena and I found the journey very pleasant and the on train facilities adequate for just over an hour having said that I wouldn't want to stay on one all the way down to say Karlsruhe or Stuttgart
I absolutely agree. On journeys of up to two hours they are in order. They are just very noisy if you are sitting in the ends of the carriages due to the very poor insulating properties of the doors (designed for anything else). The problem is when you have to make journeys of more than three hours: they really are a nightmare in second class. I had to make a 6-hour journey, to which there was no alternative with higher-class trains. The problem is not that they only replaced the ex-IRs (gone for so many years), but the IC1s on the lines where they used to be. The fact that they have a fixed five-element composition makes the design quite meaningless. An inadequate train for the purpose, paid for dearly and caused an endless stream of problems. Polemical mode: it is no coincidence that the management that planned the purchase of the Twindexx (I don't know how many compositions are still with the manufacturer because they have been contested) and the ICE 4 (one of the least reliable high-speed train in Europe in terms of failures/km)* has been sent home. *I usually document these statements, but I cannot find the source on the fly.
@@ilfanto Thank you for pointing that out, ICE 4 is so bad I started using a connection with a change of trains and the risks involved to be on the ICE 3 arriving my destination relaxed and in a good mood rather than having a non-stop connection but needing a break and being done for the day with "being shipped" by lousy ICE 4 the whole five and a half hours.
We have an exact same train from the nmbs in belgium! i hate the way they look but are great for busy routes like brugges / brussels / gent
I visit Germany every two years or so, and judt had a trip in this double decker IC. I didn't expect it to be anything more than an RE in different livery. I had a 4+hr comfortable trip to Frankfurt Flughafen. No complaints.
The open tourer passed at around 7:30 is right hand drive and looks very much like a 1938 Morris 8 series II 4 seat tourer!
Thanks. I enjoyed. My understanding from something i read a few years back was that DB basically wanted thr default choice to be ICE, hence the IC offering was being downgraded.
6:50 And the second world`s largest beer festival is in Stuttgart. The "Cannstatter Wasen".
You should definetly take a ride on the alex international regional express train from Munich Central Station to Prague Central Station
One of the first! Time to check out this new deutsch adventure!
It is useful on the Hannover-Berlin route though, because with regional lines one has to take a long detour towards Magdeburg or Stendal, nearly doubling the travel time. (and the ICE is only 10 minutes faster)
The attraction at Nuremberg Central Station is that an Ogre from Altschauerberg sits on the "Zarendtein" in and Streams
What the hell? What's going you on mit you face?
The people complaining are the same that are first in line getting the ultra-cheap 49 Euro ticket, and than realise that with that ticket it is difficult to get on this train.
World’s largest beer festival, that’s everywhere I go for a beer 😊
I for one like them (so not everybody hates them!). The only issue I had in the initial iteration was the missing storage for big luggage in the upper compartment. But I think that was somewhat fixed.
Octoberfest is in Munich. In Nuremberg we have Volksfest
good job, I had a similar comment
Im from Nuremberg, and i've used this connection with the IC2 a couple of times, because its the fastest connection to the south-west of Germany and of course France which i liked to visit often. I have to say that i dont really get the hate on the train. For example, I travelled last Thursday back from Switzerland, where i had visited a friend of mine. From Basel to Karlsruhe i used the regional train which is thanks to the Deutschland-Ticket, very cheap to me. From Karlsruhe to Nuremberg i booked the IC2 and i booked the ticket for 2nd Class for just 20€ which is very cheap if we consider that i booked the ticket just 2 days before i used it and that by travelling for a wide distance with this train. By car it would have cost me a lot more. Also i think that the IC2 is very modern, cozy and overall very clean. It has the comfort of an ICE but the price of an regional train. I have to say that i do not use services like food or drinks and so on. I just use the train for travelling. I mean i do understand the hate, More than 2 hours to Stuttgart from Nuremberg is a joke, if we look at the Nuremberg-Munich-Connection which takes just an hour with the ICE but having nearly the same distance by air. I would really appreciate an ICE conncection from Nuremberg to Stuttgart and im often wondering why there isnt one, but as long as it does not exist, im happy that the IC line exists. For everybody who will use the IC2 in future, i wouldnt recommend buying a first class ticket, because for me - i traveled a single time in first class in IC2- the only advantage of the first class in IC2 is that there are single seats, for people who dont like others besides them.
yes lets see an video from the newer ic2-trains from austria (former WESTBAHN)
The seats in the old IC were so comfortable! More legroom and space for luggage.
Yup, I loved the old IC... ❤️
I had a ticket connecting in Nuenberg in Febuary this year. I have never seen as many and agressive beggers than at this station and I live in Berlin, I am very used to being asked for money :D
I had one of these on an interrail when our ice was delayed and we missed our other ice, i found these to be bad for an ic train, i wont be crying when these are retired
These are perfect for regional trains ... wheelchair friendly, bikes ... these double trains are a good solution to some high demand lines. There are some interior test trains from Mühldorf to Munich ... where you even have a 1st. class solo cabin. We simply don't want to pay extra for a service we know from regional service for 40 years ruclips.net/video/pTaUywrYr7U/видео.html ruclips.net/video/PGwgsADuaag/видео.html
Very beautiful train
Its my opinion ofcourse, but i loved the IC2. Also looking forward for the video about the other double decker IC. Im Sending my love❤️
This is a Bombardier train. The Swiss have their own version of this Twindexx Vario train. They had lots of problems with it. Now they prefer the Swiss train builder Stadler.
Interesting that you said how good the German tracks are, there is a lot of talk here about what a bad condition they are in and how much work needs to be done (and invested) over the next years! Cool video however, thanks, and keep up the good work. PS. Check out the Rheingau!
2:29 Commuter Trains mostly stop at all stations, but of course there are also some exceptions, especially in Nuremberg where some commuter rail lines skip quite a few stations which are covered by commuter trains on a different line
There are different types of commuter services: S-Bahn always stops at all stations, RB stops on all stations in areas not served by S-Bahn but only limited stops in metro areas served by S-Bahn, RE only stops at selected stations.
@@MattiBlume no, the S-Bahn does NOT stop at each and every station. As I've mentioned, there definetly are exceptions.
@@EnjoyFirefighting can you give an example of an S-Bahn skipping a stop?
@@MattiBlume Nuremberg S-Bahn Line S1 skipping stations Fischbach, Frankenstadion, Dutzendteich, Gleißhammer and Dürrenhof all together. It covers all stations from Neumarkt in Upper Palatinate to Feucht, but then proceeds all the way to Nuremberg Central Station, skipping the previously mentioned stations which are then covered by trains on line S3.
Also line S5 skips all the stations listed before, it goes non-stop from Nuremberg Central Station to Allersberg; As the main lines split up it goes onto the HSR line down towards Ingolstadt and terminates in Allersberg
@@EnjoyFirefighting Thanks for the info. That must be a specialty of Nürnberg S-Bahn. Never seen that on any other network.
As for the cost and benefit:
Sure you can ride all regional services when you already have the Deutschland Ticket, however if not: looking up the same trip in 2 weeks time (as you pre-booked your ticket 2 weeks in advance as well): riding regional express trains the ticket would be 46€ from Nuremberg to Stuttgart, and the trip would take 3 to more than 4 hours, up to twice as long as your InterCity train. More expensive and longer journey time ... in that case I'd definetly go for the InterCity
i'm glad you mentioned the "overhead luggage racks" of the double decker trains. They are not.
I use the RE trains for my weekend commute, and i usually can't even squeeze a full backpack in them, let alone my actual luggage.
And unlike the luggage bays of the IC trains, on the REs you'll be lucky to squeeze something under your seat. Upstairs is basically off limits with luggage.
At least some of the older double decker models have a slightly higher luggage rack on the intermediate floors connecting the train cars, but still only once in a new moon.
(i used have, since we have so little rolling stock that it's actually rare to not ride in an old model of train 🙃)
This is made even worse by the fact, that RE trains seem to be THE mode of transport for weekend commuting where i am.
You almost always encounter more luggage than there is space for it
Well maintained german rails. i dont really know if that is so true.
but nice video!
people love to spread misinformation around DB, truth is the tracks are almost exclusively very well maintained, they are just over capacity. The issue isnt the quality of track, but the amount of it
@@cooltwittertag kannst du deutsch? Wenn nicht, hast du Übersetzer, das Problem ist, dass die db sehr lange die Gleise nicht erneuert hat, weil es günstiger war, den Staat bezahlen zu lassen. Sehr viele nebenbahnen aber auch hauptstrecken haben somit das Problem, dass auf vielen Abschnitten langsamfahrstellen eingerichtet sind, da die Gleise und auch die Züge sonst kaputtgehen/entgleisen könnten. Es kam durch solche nicht-reaprierten Gleise auch zu größeren Unglücken.
@@germansabola Die Bahn ist ein Staatskonzern, nur zur Information. Ich habe zur Konzernstrukturen keine Ahnung, aber es gab mal die DB Netze... Es lag eher daran, dass die Bahn als gesamtes gewinnorientiert arbeiten sollte. So baute Mehdorn die Weichen aus und liess alles bis auf den Verleiss fahren, was man bis heute merkt. Inzwischen wurden die Bereiche Netze und Station / Service zur InfraGO zusammengeschlossen, die nicht mehr gewinnorientierend arbeiten soll. Der Staat hat immer die Verluste der Bahnsparten Regionalverkehr, Fernverkehr und Netze / Station und Servide aufgefangen. Das ist wahr, der Staat hat immer bezahlt.
The main problem with the double-decker regional trains is that there is not much space for luggage due to limited room overhead - basically just to put your hat and umbrella and then forget it there. On long distances, this is needed by an even larger proportion of the passengers. I see they sacrificed some seats for additional luggage areas (11:04) - I wonder if it works that well in the second class too?
Most informative video! I enjoyed watching that. The catering service looked pretty poor. InterCity? More like BetweenCity. Keep us posted with more enlightening vids. Paul in Oz.
@Superalbs Travels there 3 IC2 trainsets 1 is with the BR146 and 5 Dosto wagons 1 is with the BR147 Traxx with 5 dosto eagons and 1 is a former Westbahn Stadler KISS
I never took a ride in one of those, but many on the double-decker RE. I can say about the latter ones, that they were a big upgrade to the class 425 that did the same service most of the time. The only problem was, that they were often stinky, maybe from bad usage of the toilets by some people.. But part of the problem you discribed about the IC2, might be that regional trains have become a lot more comfy, especially when compared to the old "m-Wagen". Even the RB (and some RE) service, which is done by Stadler Flirt, Alstom Coradia and Bombardier Talent in my region, has increased a lot in comfort. And even there you can ocasionally get a trolley-style snack and drink service.
Probably people are setting the bar for much more expensive high speed trains higher accordingly. You are right, if I could get an RE ticket for a much lower price (actually for me at no additional cost because of my D-Ticket), I would also prefer these over the IC2, even if the latter one might stop at slightly less stations and might be a few minutes faster. Also, 160 km/h is a speed that nearly every modern regional train can make nowadays, if the tracks allow it.
The reviewer should have mentioned the Cannstatter Wasen over the Oktoberfest, as he went to Stuttgart.
Last time I was in Stuttgart, the Hauptbahnhof was being reconstructed. I would be interested in knowing if the huge cavern between the tracks and reception area has been filled, and if the trams can arrive once again undisturbed.
The Project "Stuttgart 21" or "Bahnprojekt Stuttgart-Ulm" features their own RUclips Channel, I linked the latest video ruclips.net/video/McSg38RpLaw/видео.html but there is much more on various topics.
If they had still had a restaurant car, or even a buffet, I might have been able to overlook that these are clearly just RE commuter trains in a white frock. But the fact that DB did literally nothing but give them a new coat of paint is unacceptable. If I ever find myself in Germany again, I will avoid these trains like the plague. DB should be ashamed of themselves, but I'm pretty sure they sold the last of their shame to OBB along with NightJet. A sad reminder of when national rail providers try to treat their service like a business, and then run that business badly to the detriment of the customer.
In the US, we can only dream about this level of comfort and service on a train.
I was there for the inaugural journey of the IC2 on the Leipzig to Norddeich Mole route, and honestly I liked it, although I only travelled on it for about 2.5h at a time. Compared to the RE, I think the seats are more comfortable, and if my memory serves me well, they are also more soundproof. I honestly wouldn't ditch them in favor of a regional train...
Very nice report. Also, congrats on your pronounciations of the German cities. Not easy!
As a person who regularly commutes with these double-deckers since over 5 years, I must defend them.
In my experience, they are much more reliable than the same routes with ICE while being substantially cheaper.
I don't really mind the less "fancy" interior. The coaches really have everything one needs, the seats are comfortable, and the folding table is much more convenient with a laptop than most ICE tables. In my experience, the double-decker ICs are also less crowded than either ICE or RE, making them my favorite choice for medium distances.
Further, I would say, I find the lower deck nicer, as it shakes less and one still gets to see all the countryside, but that's just personal preference.
To me, the ICE is nearly perfect!
Are you planning to make/ making a video of the new interior of the Ice 3 neo?
I was on this train once and it was fine, the only funny thing was that the locomotive broke down, but that's not a problem for the coaches. I live in belgium so I didn't expect to much, it was for a few hours and I did not find anything bad. but I didn't buy anything from the bar/restaurant
"new" I remember looking at those back in 2013 when they were announced with my mom and just remarking "well those are just the old RE doubledeckers in white"
Are we talking about the same „old“ IC? I dont use Trains anymore for anlong time but I remember the old Things are cars from the 80s(?). Super loud. Super Old (but I liked the cozy 6 Seat „Appartments“ with own heater control :) )
Great trip. Can't imagine if this train running long distance or above 3 hours. I think seat density should be lowered since this is Intercity Train, sadly only airline style Trolley Service, no Bistro on board. But thankfully there's WiFi.
There also is a newer Type of IC 2: The BR 4110 and BR 4010. They finally go 200 km/h . But still feels very much like a regional train. Even with seats w/o headrest! 4 and 2 yeras old only and without a lokomotive. But all in all still better than the ages old ICs I started traveling with!
I love it!!!
You don't realize how much pain that adjustable headrest could avoid. I wish it was mandatory for all seats used in transportation.