Lossless scaling has a new update. The only changes that are not the same as the video is the new LSFG ver 3.0 and custom set frame generate multiplier up to X20. The concept of this video still applies regardless. So there's no need to make another video for this.
i managed to achieve 125 FPS with 240 hz monitor in Arma 3 using high graphic and 1604 x 881 resolution (auto setting). Cap the Frame rate to 60. The graphic looks great as if i play with Very High graphic,smooth as butter,no white gloss,no stuttered. This lossless Scale is a game changer.u just need to tweek a little bit for each game.❤
I get it, basically think your game is like "a half of your car engine", and this LLS is like "the other half of your car engine".(Or 75%/25%) What you have to do is to find out the "sweet output ratio spot" of your PC for both of them when working simultaneously. Thank you so much for the detailed tutorial!! By the way since this LLS app works on almost every app (frame related) on Windows PC, try doing it on your video file players...XDD
Thanks for the super indepth guide, learnt more about this program then other videos out there. My only issues I cant seem to find help on is how to use the program on a windowed game while still being able to see your backgound (desktop), as for me I get forced black bars. And sometimes when getting any kind of pop up (discord message, xbox game record/nvidia game record) my FPS goes to like 5fps during the pop up. Otherwise, solid program
Actually there is a way though, but I didn't fiddle this kind of thing too much. Perhaps you should go to server Lossless scaling and ask more about this info
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp I asked but no replies...my issue is very niche because I want to run my games in 21:9 on a 16:9 monitor while still seeing my live wallpaper because its an OLED and I was getting 21:9 burn in. I can do this perfectly but not while using the LS program, LS forces black bars for some reason.
Only use this program for FIrst Person Perspective and Singleplayer games , but yes. Pretty good otherwise. Right now I recommend it only to people who gets under 60 fps with Low settings , apart from that we need to wait more or use the Frame generation from inside the games as they have less artifacts and looks way better.
@ZArkadia-lc3fp i recommend turning resolution down and upscaling, and using Frame gen at the same time. That gives a massive boost in fps. Brought me from 230 to 625 fps in fortnite when I use 4x frame gen
@@thevoid11223 I actually agree with that but it depends on the monitor resolution too though. I have 1080p monitor so yeah thats why i didn't lower the resolution :(
@@ZArkadia-lc3fphi brother, nice explanation... I have one issue with Ets2 game.. game is running very smooth on 60 fps constant by using LS but when I start recording, video is not smooth as game is running and in video lot of stuttering and object is not moving smooth as game is running.. I have tried to capture with OBS as well as shadow play but no luck
@@t2patel so recording issue??? That's weird. I did it with obs and nothing happened. Check my latest video, Casting frank stone and until dawn remake. I record using obs with lossless on (FPS indicator) and it works well hehe
That is a ghosting. It's typically the problem of all frame gen including DLSS, FSR, XESS. Lossless scaling had this worse because it is not implemented directly in game's engine and there is not enough data to predict the next frame.
@@ZArkadia-lc3fpI tried to restart the app and my windows and the result still the same, It did give me fps about 120 FPS now, yesterday i got 50-55. But i don't know why it's very laggy i tried to set Max frame latency to 1 and cap it 60 FPS on the game. but still the Draw FPS still goes above 60..
@@ohwhatworld5851 it upscales to your monitor resolution. The way how it works is to make your ingame resolution lower and then use scaling to scale to your monitor resolution
6:28 I still don't understand about max frame latency. How max frame latency set from 1 to 2 make the fps 180? Since your monitor is 144Hz. You used 3x frame generation, but cap only on 144fps, because your max frame latency is 1.
Good question. So based on my understanding, max frame latency if set from 1 to 2 (For NVIDIA), it doubles the allowed fps to be above refresh rate. So if you have 144 hz, the max should be 288 fps cap. This is done only if you wish to get consistent frame pacing based on your fps cap. For example: if you get constant fps stable at 68 and you want to use x3. It will go way above refresh rate 144hz. Therefore you need to set max frame latency to 2. The key of frame pacing is to get consistent divisible fps equally.
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp oh so max frame latency in nutshell, go beyond monitor refresh rate. But about the frame pacing. You go beyond monitor refresh rate, and limit it to your monitor refresh rate. So you can get same fps as your monitor refresh rate right? Or am i wrong?
@@riufq not exactly. It's all about fps calculation. It all depends what fps stable you get and what mode you are going to use. If I get 55fps stable and I want to use x3 and I have 144hz monitor, you need to increase frame latency to 2. If you don't do this, the 55x3 165 and then it will cap the fps to 144 since you set to 1 frame latency. 144 is not divisible evenly by 55.
Yo man im trying to play on black ops 2 with my trash pc but after scaling it doesn't set the game to full screen it just gives black bars for second and then its still in windowed
@@ZArkadia-lc3fpi tried custom on settings mode and used it on 2 and for frame generation i tested both lfsg 2.3 and lfsg 1 none worked i tried on borderless window and it didn't even work there but thing does work on normal windowed it just doesn't have full screen and i really wanted to play black ops 2 cause i really loved bo1
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp i figured out whats wrong. thats bc of screen freeze when im playing some games with lossless scaling .. slowly i regret buying this program
I have a problem with the WCX API. I played Black Myth Wukong and capped my FPS to 30 (i have a 60hz Monitor), but when i scale it with WCX it makes no difference. I can see that the FPS at the top left corner tell me i have around 60-80fps (Remember FPS capped at 30, via Rivaturner, also tried it in-game), but it feels the complete same. Not smoother or anything. Game is in Borderless screen.
So the thing is, most of the time 60hz monitor won't benefit at all from lossless. This is because your fps is at 30 fps and input lag and artefact will noticeably higher. Also you misunderstood the concept of smoothness, the smoothness what they mentioned is having a higher fps. Since you can only get 60 fps max, then that's the max smoothness you get. That's why it's recommended to get high refresh rate monitor
Sir my laptop spec is Ryzen 5 7430U processor with AMD Radeon igpu vega 7, 16 gb single channel ram, 1080p 60hz screen. I only get 25 fps in RDR 1 1080p lowest graphics. So I used Lossless Scaling to increase fps. It worked and the game felt more smoother after enabling frame generation in lossless scaling. But the downside is there are a lot of water ripple like effects all over the screen whenever I move the camera or character in the game. Please tell me how to fix it
@@Mythical.History the water ripple is what we call artefact or ghosting. And there is no way to fix that because the base fps is too low to determine the image stability. Usually you will need at least stable 30 or 60 fps to have minimal ghosting. 60 being the best
Hi First of all amazing video, and Now my question, why do you actually have to set the fps? I tried it in Fortnite and I noticed that the higher the frame rate Cap the lower the frame time. What can happen exactly if I don't set the fps at a constant number? I didn't have any stutters . I left my fps on unlimited and it was smooth. I played on x2.and ich got the Double fps , it feels like no Delay But it feelslike 360hz 😅so i still got some fps drops But no stutters , i tryed 120 fps cap x3 and it still was clean but the frametime webt up From 3 to 10 and i fehlt the Delay Sry if the explenation is Bad 😅(cpu and gpu Never going over50% without lossless maybe Good to know for my question)
The reason is frame pacing. If the fps is not divisible by 2 or 3 or 4 evenly, the frame pacing can be messy and that can lead stuttering or not smooth movement.
It's simple: 1. To reach optimum max refresh rate of your monitor 2. Better frame pacing. 3. The latency can be reduced with Nvidia reflex from RTTS very significantly making it almost as if latency isn't added before frame gen 4. You struggled to get even 80 real fps, you cap to 48 fps and stable even 1% low, you x3. You got 144 fps. Win
Wow, beautiful video!! But bro, I do not have an external gpu. I get about 25-30 fps on god of war ragnarok, so when I cap it to 25 and turn on lossless scaling, the game performs worse! I get 8 fps. any fix to this
Okay this is purely because of overusage gpu power. As I said, lossless scaling needs some GPU room resources. So if the game is already at 99%, it will make some room for LS and cause Fps drop. The way to solve this is to put Performance mode in LS and then reduce some settings in Game to give some headroom
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp While I was playing cyberpunk 2077, without the lsfg, the usage was still 99% then later on i turned on the lsfg and i was getting 60fps. I am confused 😥😥
@@MysticalMetaphors I can understand for Cyberpunk because it's a very demanding game. Hmm i think i saw a similar result with other people and they also say some have gotten lower fps compared to not using it. Try joining Lossless scaling discord server and then ask people there. :) This issue can be fixed. No worries
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp The problem was the game itself. I just realised that my game still had patch 1.1.1 Now since I put patch 1.3 it works well but it's in slow motion, though the vsync is turned off. Do you have any solution?
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp Updated: I updated my windows version from 23H2 to 24H2 it's now working again!! 😭, I tried quite a few solutions like installing older versions on Gpu drivers running LSFGas admin, restarting pc countless times but windows update seems to work for me.
Lossless scaling has a new update. The only changes that are not the same as the video is the new LSFG ver 3.0 and custom set frame generate multiplier up to X20.
The concept of this video still applies regardless. So there's no need to make another video for this.
Thank you for this video. This is by far the best LS video I’ve seen!
Hehehe thank you for your comment and interest 😁
i managed to achieve 125 FPS with 240 hz monitor in Arma 3 using high graphic and 1604 x 881 resolution (auto setting). Cap the Frame rate to 60. The graphic looks great as if i play with Very High graphic,smooth as butter,no white gloss,no stuttered. This lossless Scale is a game changer.u just need to tweek a little bit for each game.❤
EXACTLY. I am glad you love it and it worked :)
Amazing video. Answered most of my questions
@@Mythical.History no problem :)
I get it, basically think your game is like
"a half of your car engine", and this LLS is like
"the other half of your car engine".(Or 75%/25%)
What you have to do is to find out the "sweet output ratio spot" of your PC for both of them when working simultaneously.
Thank you so much for the detailed tutorial!!
By the way since this LLS app works on almost every app (frame related) on Windows PC, try doing it on your video file players...XDD
Hehehe no problem. And yes you're right. Best app ever 😁
Great video. meme game on point.
Loved the video
Thanks for the super indepth guide, learnt more about this program then other videos out there.
My only issues I cant seem to find help on is how to use the program on a windowed game while still being able to see your backgound (desktop), as for me I get forced black bars.
And sometimes when getting any kind of pop up (discord message, xbox game record/nvidia game record) my FPS goes to like 5fps during the pop up.
Otherwise, solid program
Actually there is a way though, but I didn't fiddle this kind of thing too much. Perhaps you should go to server Lossless scaling and ask more about this info
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp I asked but no replies...my issue is very niche because I want to run my games in 21:9 on a 16:9 monitor while still seeing my live wallpaper because its an OLED and I was getting 21:9 burn in. I can do this perfectly but not while using the LS program, LS forces black bars for some reason.
@@liiich6175 Ahhh i suggest you to ping the developer since he's the one who knows the most. ths
Only use this program for FIrst Person Perspective and Singleplayer games , but yes. Pretty good otherwise. Right now I recommend it only to people who gets under 60 fps with Low settings , apart from that we need to wait more or use the Frame generation from inside the games as they have less artifacts and looks way better.
Yes I agree. But I'm sure Lossless scaling will improve in the future :)
@ZArkadia-lc3fp i recommend turning resolution down and upscaling, and using Frame gen at the same time. That gives a massive boost in fps. Brought me from 230 to 625 fps in fortnite when I use 4x frame gen
@@thevoid11223 I actually agree with that but it depends on the monitor resolution too though. I have 1080p monitor so yeah thats why i didn't lower the resolution :(
TY for sharing overlay with us.
No problem hehe
Wow nice vid man
Thank you friend 😁
@@ZArkadia-lc3fphi brother, nice explanation... I have one issue with Ets2 game.. game is running very smooth on 60 fps constant by using LS but when I start recording, video is not smooth as game is running and in video lot of stuttering and object is not moving smooth as game is running..
I have tried to capture with OBS as well as shadow play but no luck
@@t2patel so recording issue??? That's weird. I did it with obs and nothing happened. Check my latest video, Casting frank stone and until dawn remake. I record using obs with lossless on (FPS indicator) and it works well hehe
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp thanks for the reply
Makasi infonya bang
For me, the game character's head becomes a noise. It works like this on all games.
That is a ghosting. It's typically the problem of all frame gen including DLSS, FSR, XESS. Lossless scaling had this worse because it is not implemented directly in game's engine and there is not enough data to predict the next frame.
@ZArkadia-lc3fp thanks 🙏
It's work fine yesterday until there's outage going on and the FPS Draw seem off.
Try to restart app
@@ZArkadia-lc3fpI tried to restart the app and my windows and the result still the same, It did give me fps about 120 FPS now, yesterday i got 50-55. But i don't know why it's very laggy i tried to set Max frame latency to 1 and cap it 60 FPS on the game. but still the Draw FPS still goes above 60..
@RedGames150 max latency 1 means you set it based on the monitors refresh rate
amazzzzzing
I try to enable lossles in my navegator using youtube, but it show a black screen when i turn it on 😥
Sorry navegator?:?
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp Edge Browser Hahaha sorry
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp He's referring to his web browser
Every time i try to scale it just show me a black screen do you know why?
could it be wrong setting? Can you tell me what you did?
You have to be in windowed or borderless full-screen. If you are in regular full screen you'll just get that black screen.
I still have no idea what Scaling does..... Does it increase your games resolution or something?
@@ohwhatworld5851 it upscales to your monitor resolution. The way how it works is to make your ingame resolution lower and then use scaling to scale to your monitor resolution
6:28 I still don't understand about max frame latency.
How max frame latency set from 1 to 2 make the fps 180?
Since your monitor is 144Hz.
You used 3x frame generation, but cap only on 144fps, because your max frame latency is 1.
Good question. So based on my understanding, max frame latency if set from 1 to 2 (For NVIDIA), it doubles the allowed fps to be above refresh rate. So if you have 144 hz, the max should be 288 fps cap. This is done only if you wish to get consistent frame pacing based on your fps cap.
For example: if you get constant fps stable at 68 and you want to use x3. It will go way above refresh rate 144hz. Therefore you need to set max frame latency to 2.
The key of frame pacing is to get consistent divisible fps equally.
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp oh so max frame latency in nutshell, go beyond monitor refresh rate.
But about the frame pacing. You go beyond monitor refresh rate, and limit it to your monitor refresh rate. So you can get same fps as your monitor refresh rate right? Or am i wrong?
Thats the reason for max frame latency
@@riufq not exactly. It's all about fps calculation.
It all depends what fps stable you get and what mode you are going to use.
If I get 55fps stable and I want to use x3 and I have 144hz monitor, you need to increase frame latency to 2.
If you don't do this, the 55x3 165 and then it will cap the fps to 144 since you set to 1 frame latency. 144 is not divisible evenly by 55.
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp isn't that gonna make screen tearing, if the fps higher than your monitor refresh rate?
does dlss and LSFG interfere with each other?
Dlss and lsfg can coexist as long as Nvidia frame gen is not activated. If it does, while it works but you get twice more latency and that's not good.
Yo man im trying to play on black ops 2 with my trash pc but after scaling it doesn't set the game to full screen it just gives black bars for second and then its still in windowed
What settings do you use?:?
@@ZArkadia-lc3fpi tried custom on settings mode and used it on 2 and for frame generation i tested both lfsg 2.3 and lfsg 1 none worked i tried on borderless window and it didn't even work there but thing does work on normal windowed it just doesn't have full screen and i really wanted to play black ops 2 cause i really loved bo1
My gpu dont appear in settings.why?
Is it laptop you are using?
@ZArkadia-lc3fp no..pc..my gpu is 1080 ti
@sorinneagu7515 okay so if it isn't laptop, then it should have automatically shown up. In the GPU selection, it should have shown 1080 TI.
@ZArkadia-lc3fp i have just automat in gpu...doesnt appear my gpu there
@@sorinneagu7515 okay. At least does it work when you try it?
sir how to fix input lag
Input lag is mostly fixed if you have high base FPS. Preferably above 45 FPS.
You can also reduce it via RTTS Nvidia reflex or AMD Anti lag.
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp thank you very
@ZArkadia-lc3fp hello sir i have another bug my lossless scaling works like i have lags can you help me sorry for my english
@waldi445 what's your base fps? If base fps is too low like below 30 it's going to have input lag a lot
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp i figured out whats wrong. thats bc of screen freeze when im playing some games with lossless scaling
.. slowly i regret buying this program
idk i tried that and not so much difference maybe something with my pc 144 hz btw
Interesting, what settings do you use
I have a problem with the WCX API. I played Black Myth Wukong and capped my FPS to 30 (i have a 60hz Monitor), but when i scale it with WCX it makes no difference. I can see that the FPS at the top left corner tell me i have around 60-80fps (Remember FPS capped at 30, via Rivaturner, also tried it in-game), but it feels the complete same. Not smoother or anything. Game is in Borderless screen.
So the thing is, most of the time 60hz monitor won't benefit at all from lossless. This is because your fps is at 30 fps and input lag and artefact will noticeably higher.
Also you misunderstood the concept of smoothness, the smoothness what they mentioned is having a higher fps. Since you can only get 60 fps max, then that's the max smoothness you get. That's why it's recommended to get high refresh rate monitor
Sir my laptop spec is Ryzen 5 7430U processor with AMD Radeon igpu vega 7, 16 gb single channel ram, 1080p 60hz screen. I only get 25 fps in RDR 1 1080p lowest graphics. So I used Lossless Scaling to increase fps. It worked and the game felt more smoother after enabling frame generation in lossless scaling. But the downside is there are a lot of water ripple like effects all over the screen whenever I move the camera or character in the game. Please tell me how to fix it
@@Mythical.History the water ripple is what we call artefact or ghosting. And there is no way to fix that because the base fps is too low to determine the image stability. Usually you will need at least stable 30 or 60 fps to have minimal ghosting. 60 being the best
Hi First of all amazing video, and Now my question, why do you actually have to set the fps? I tried it in Fortnite and I noticed that the higher the frame rate Cap the lower the frame time. What can happen exactly if I don't set the fps at a constant number? I didn't have any stutters . I left my fps on unlimited and it was smooth. I played on x2.and ich got the Double fps , it feels like no Delay But it feelslike 360hz 😅so i still got some fps drops But no stutters , i tryed 120 fps cap x3 and it still was clean but the frametime webt up From 3 to 10 and i fehlt the Delay
Sry if the explenation is Bad 😅(cpu and gpu Never going over50% without lossless maybe Good to know for my question)
The reason is frame pacing. If the fps is not divisible by 2 or 3 or 4 evenly, the frame pacing can be messy and that can lead stuttering or not smooth movement.
Whats the point of having 144 fps interpolated from 48 with doubled latency instead of real 80? ( ╹ -╹)?
It's simple:
1. To reach optimum max refresh rate of your monitor
2. Better frame pacing.
3. The latency can be reduced with Nvidia reflex from RTTS very significantly making it almost as if latency isn't added before frame gen
4. You struggled to get even 80 real fps, you cap to 48 fps and stable even 1% low, you x3. You got 144 fps. Win
1:56 look a profile him ☠️
quick question please can you tell me hoooow did you get does 9999999 999999 999 level like please can you tell
Ummm I don't understand. What game were you referring or what video
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp Word war z
Wow, beautiful video!! But bro, I do not have an external gpu. I get about 25-30 fps on god of war ragnarok, so when I cap it to 25 and turn on lossless scaling, the game performs worse! I get 8 fps. any fix to this
Okay this is purely because of overusage gpu power. As I said, lossless scaling needs some GPU room resources. So if the game is already at 99%, it will make some room for LS and cause Fps drop. The way to solve this is to put Performance mode in LS and then reduce some settings in Game to give some headroom
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp While I was playing cyberpunk 2077, without the lsfg, the usage was still 99% then later on i turned on the lsfg and i was getting 60fps. I am confused 😥😥
@@MysticalMetaphors I can understand for Cyberpunk because it's a very demanding game. Hmm i think i saw a similar result with other people and they also say some have gotten lower fps compared to not using it. Try joining Lossless scaling discord server and then ask people there. :) This issue can be fixed. No worries
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp The problem was the game itself. I just realised that my game still had patch 1.1.1
Now since I put patch 1.3 it works well but it's in slow motion, though the vsync is turned off. Do you have any solution?
@@MysticalMetaphors if you use Frame limit riva tuner, vsync is not needed actually:)
What about using Nvidia Whisper mode for limiting frame rate? Will it produce less latency?
@@anurajdahegaonkar3642 actually I haven't tried that method. The only reliable method is Rtts with Nvidia reflex inject
Another Dragon ball drawing!
Give it a l1ke please
I'll check first
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp Helena has a reply for u
gave me worse FPS in DIablo 4 i dont really see the point of this program.
geforce 3060ti 165hz monitor btw.
Okay what's your base fps??? And what's your setting?
lies, this app cost 65000 reputation points, its what video shows!11111
My lossless scaling is not working it shows 240/480fps even if i cap my fps to 60fps in-game 🫤
Isn't that already working? 240 to 480 X2? What games are you playing and what monitor refresh rate you have
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp but it feels like I'm playing on 30fps
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp I have 2 monitor setup and if I choose output display to my 2nd monitor it's works fine but now I see game running on 2 displays
@@nitish4700 i dont really have 2 monitors :( So i cant help. Try hopping in Lossless discord so you can get more help
@@ZArkadia-lc3fp Updated:
I updated my windows version from 23H2 to 24H2 it's now working again!! 😭, I tried quite a few solutions like installing older versions on Gpu drivers running LSFGas admin, restarting pc countless times but windows update seems to work for me.