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Just commenting on y'all talkin' about Feyd at the end. When Paul walked in, I feel like Feyd was admiring a fellow fighter, one he's heard a LOT about. Muad'dib is a devil to the Harkonnen. And Feyd likes a challenge. But when Paul killed the Baron, I think the admiration grew, because this fighter was also just as cold blooded as him. Feyd doesn't know it's Paul Atreides, soul surviving member of the Family Name, so he wouldn't know of Paul's vendetta. Feyd just sees a legendary warrior walk right up to the Baron and execute him for no apparent reason. This Muad'dib is a mirror image to Feyd.
Excellent take on that.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful - Seneca
_Religion poisons everything._
- Christopher Hitchens
“Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.” - Karl Marx
Marx never held back when describing his distaste for religion, the first sentence of this quote has been many times paraphrased as "Religion is the opiate of the masses".
DUNE feels like a fully-realized, timeless universe, both futuristic and ancient at the same time. Just enough Earthly references that it feels real and lived-in. I'm totally here for it.
If you think about it the whole world really is a synthesis of world history.
Gurney's lyrics would fit nicely into the Monty Pyhton bogus Hungarian phrase book, right next to "My hovercraft is full of eels."
Stilgars Lisan Al'Gaib after the duel made me laugh out loud in the Cinema. Its absolutly perfect because it just feels like he was holding his breath and ALMOST forgot to say it 😂
That's actually the one that lands for me. Stilgar is no longer gleeful as the realization of an imminent war sets in.
Absolutable! There were a lot of titters (tihi!) in the theatre... but some people realized what had just happened. (Hadn't read the book, btw. Still haven't because I want the canons to stay spearate. I *will* read the OG novels, for sure)
One of the things I wish Denis had left in his adaptation was the fact that Chani was the daughter of Liet. In the book and the mini-series, the fact that Paul and Chani both lost their fathers to the treachery of the Harkonnens/Emperor was a bonding point for them and helped you to understand why they were drawn to each other.
I wonder if it's the due to the fact that it'll make Chani not be a generational Freman. Chani's character was changed to be the voice of secular youth who believed in Freman than the out worlder prophecy propagated by BG.
Lite Kynes's dad was not mentioned in the film but it makes sense that the movie goers will identify Lite as an agent serving the Empire but at the sametime working as a double agent for Freman due to their connection to Freman.
@@wathsi99 Chani's other parent was Fremen, and she was raised in Fremen culture.
In the 1st movie, Chani tells Paul the Crysknife she gives him to fight Jamis was a gift from her great Aunt. I immediately believed that to be Dr. Kynes.
@jimbruton9482 I assumed it was her great aunt on her dad's side, Chani having been raised in Fremen culture, and Dr Kynes was her mother.
Or that Dr Kynes was teaching the Fremen to terraform Arrakis, a dream Chani carried on for her father after his death. It also changes the meaning of 'give him to the desert' because Kynes is left to die of exposure by the Harkonnen, and Paul letting Baron H rot in the desert is revenge for Chani.
I appreciate y’alls reaction to the Fremen and the fanaticism that had been cultivated by the Bene Gesserit for centuries. What I’ve been most struck by are the number of reactors (not all) who see that as humorous, often laughing at the Fremen to include Stilgar saying Lisan al Gaib. Makes me wonder if folks missed the message and/or laughing because they’re uncomfortable with that aspect.
*note: I’m not saying all reactors have this reaction but a number of them do*
I think it's hard for some to see. The fanatics in real life are just as dangerous, but they appear so comical and stupid to people living in reality. It's a scary situation
"He still got a big ole blade in him!"
No, just an 8-10 inch deep stab wound to the abdomen from an armor piercing blade 🤕
The mechanics of Paul pulling the blade out of himself and putting it into Feyd while body-to-body are wild...
Except he didn't pull it out of him and stick Feyd with it. He used his own blade. After Feyd falls down and Paul pulls his blade out of him, you can see Paul take out two blades, one from his abdomen and one from his shoulder after he stands up.
@@fxzero666 There are only 2 knives. Paul's crysknife and Feyd's blade. Feyd turns Paul's crys around and plunges it into Paul's abdomen. Then they grapple over Feyd's blade. Paul then stabs Feyd with the crys from his own body.
_I will bend like a reed in the wind._
2:10 and the emperor said...
It needs more cowbells!
3:10 it never rains on Arrakis but now it's raining men
I love Matthew's breakdown of the changes from the book and agree with a lot of his points. The changes made logical sense.
Thanks!
An adaptation is impossible… I’ve been re-reading the book and there is just too much.
But this re-interpretation is just fantastic. I can’t wait to see how Messiah gets re-interpreted given the changes to the plot line. I love Messiah but it would make an awful movie. I think this version of the plot will be very interesting.
@@oscardiggs246 now when I imagine scenes from further books they have a distinctive Villeneuve style.
The only issue i have is where they left things with Paul and Chani, as it's going to be weird to deal with for Messiah given the time jump in the book.
@godlessveteran2431 I'm interested in that too. I'm assuming that he is shifting some events into the Messiah portion of the story beyond the obvious. Having the Landsraad in direct opposition and the omission of the Guild, it seems like a lot of the story will be significantly different in ways I can't predict. I look forward to that.
The reverend mother said “we don’t hope, we plan”…..Bars
Pippin is the Meow'Dib.
Yes!!!
Pawl Catreides
So, Quinns Ideas is a really good channel for breakdowns ESPECIALLY with the WHOLE dune series. I MEAN THE WHOLE DUNE SERIES TOO. very good guy and tuber.
I like the book's description of Jessica transforming the water of life. Simple chemistry.
And not only that, she makes it into an antidote for the rest of the water so the Fremen can get drunk on it 👍
Yes. The TV mini-series did it best. Actually, showed a chemical diagram and Jessica switching around the elements.
Paul didn't drink his own Kool aid, he's the real deal.
I was really looking forward to seeing what y'all thought about that IR filming technique to differentiate Geidi Prime and its black sun from other planets. I know I thought it was fascinating. 😊
"I don't care what you believe, *I* believe" is the whole thing.
You'd think an indoor cat might be interested in a litter box that big.
Saw this in imax and i was blown away. I loved the first movie and read the first 2 books. The acting in this was top notch. Can't wait for Dune Messiah and the HBO max Dune prequel show!
One of the best films in the last 10 years no doubt.I have a 120" screen and full atmos theater and it is amazing!
Your both being such fans of the book made your reaction that much more fun to watch. Great reaction! BTW-I felt, based on his tone, that Fyed was actually mocking Paul a little bit when he repeated the oath before their fight.
I’m actually reading the book for the first time. That’s the impact the film version has had on me.
I took Feyd's tone over Paul's "May thy knife chip and shatter" more like awe and satisfaction, as Feyd knew he was finally getting to fight a talented warrior who took honorable combat as seriously as he did.
I wonder whether Denis will merge Messiah with Children of Dune, like in the SyFy miniseries. Messiah is really more intrigue than anything else, and it also is NOT the end of Paul`s arc. That happens in Children, which ends the arc of an Atreides generation. Maybe Denis could try that. I mean, the SyFy miniseries had about 4.5 hrs total, so I guess a third grand finale of about Return of the King length would be feasible. One big reason would be Alia - it would be a waste of Anya if they didn`t incorporate more of her arc. Anyway, I`m rambling without a movie, but I will be there first day! nice one guys. Oh, and my cats, Antenna and Snot, say Pippin is a handsome fella :D
Considering the 21/24 are longer than the SyFy Dune and cover less of the book, DV spending two hours to adapt Messiah and ending with Paul's walk might actually work.
Children would take 2 movies on its own. Messiah is short enough to fit in 1. God Emperor would take its own set of 3 i think to do right lol
@@LordVolkov this is what im thinking. itll end with Pauls walk in to the desert. then they can figure out how they want to deal with Children and God Emperor lol
Children of Dune and God Emperor should be HBO Max shows imo lol.
I loved that Gurney's confrontation with Rabban wasn't fight, it was execution. I have to respect Bautista doing that. Some other Hollywood stars would have fought tooth and nail to have epic fight. Nothing is more scary than a charismatic leader who believes he is the chosen one.
Bautista is a real actor. He was excellent in one of the short films that accompanied Blade Runner 2049.
@thejamppa it always really bothered me that the fight wasn't a bit longer but it makes total sense when you think about it. Gurney is one of the best fighters in this universe and Rabban is basically a nobody. Just a big dumb brute.
@@thetrashiestpanda exactly. it makes sense that Rabban's choice of weapon is a whip or that we only see him really killing folks in part 1 who were unable to fight back during the harkonnen sneak attack.
id be amazed if anyone fights with denis, dude is a hit making machine, has undoubtedly reached the "just do it my way trust me" tier
Love the scale in this. Like when you have the shots of Arrakeen making people look tiny. Then the emperor's ship shows up and makes the city look small. Then the emperor's camp is set up and makes the ship look small. And then the nukes go off and the emperor's ship looks like a tiny childs bauble against the wrath of stone and fire bearing down upon it.
Cannot get enough of these movies and can't wait for the next one.
Hope you two are having an great and awesome day ❤
AWESOME easteregg for players of the old Dune game: That little melody Gurney plays when we first see him again?
Thaaaaat is DAMNED close to be a direct quote from the soundtrack of that game, written by Stephane Picq (who has just released a beautifully remastered version of the Soundtack - it's here on YT).
"We do not 'hope,' we plan."
Whoever edited this reaction did a very excellent job; I’ve seen a bunch of Dune reactions and from an edited content perspective this is very well done
Thank you so much! I worked pretty hard on this one, for sure!
Cheers!
Emily
I think EVERYONE (of a certain age) thinks of John Cleese & Life of Brian during that movie scene! LMAO!
Also? Great call with the, "Damn! He is wearing Sith Robes!" line. I said the same thing in another comments section. About how even though it SEEMS like the typical "cool hero walk towards the camera" trope. But there are subtle touches (like the "Sith Robes") HINTS strongly that this is more the "cool VILLAIN walking towards the camera" thing!
I just thought the robes were appropriate to the hotter climate of south Arrakis.
I have to say, when it comes to special effects, there's not much these days that just wows me. But seeing this film in the theater, there were a bunch of sequences that literally had my jaw drop at how amazing they were done.
I hope it comes back to theaters so you can enjoy it in its full majesty!
I love these films sooooooo much, and I really wish we'd gone to see them in theaters; probably going to do that for "Messiah." I did read the novel after part 1, but I honestly prefer the films, even though they cut the dinner scene overall these films are the story COME TO LIFE, and it is GLORIOUS. I do think they're probably going to merge "Messiah" with "Children of Dune," and we may get our first major time jump at the start, or they may just keep going with the sped up timeline and crank up the emotional devastation for Paul as a result.
If you would like to see more of Austin Butler's work, I HIGHLY recommend checking out "Elvis," he turns in a fantastic performance; I will also say Tom Hanks is not overly distracting for me, but his accent is...a choice.
Speaking of popcorn buckets, the Rebel Moon dropship popcorn bucket is super cheap and VERY good for tabletop roleplaying games, you can pop the top off and have an interior with flat bottom for miniatures and everything. Your campaigns can have a space ship parking lot centerpiece just by visiting a Wal-mart clearance aisle near you.
Herbert said he wrote Dune to challenge the idea of the Hero's Journey. He disliked the idea of a destined hero and wanted to show the danger of prophecy being manipulated and manufactured as well as the danger of blind faith. He wanted a story that upended the idea of a hero coming to lead the people to glory. Paul is no hero, he is a cautionary tale. Also, while the Atredies are better than the Harkonnens in many ways they are still colonizers who do some far more subtle (at first) damage to Fremen culture.
Also, love the Last Dragon Shirt!
He didn't drink his own kool-aid. He sees all possible futures, and only one good option. The horrors he'll unleash are to make that one good option happen. I won't nitpick the book vs movie stuff overall, but I do want to address Feyd's poison dart. There's no way they could have used that. In a book, you can introduce and explain it, and explain why it isn't used with just narration and a character's thoughts. You can't do that in a movie. To introduce it and for the audience to actually know what it is, characters have to talk about it. Even if it's just Feyd talking to himself, which would be weird. And then you have to use it. You can't not use chekhovs gun, and you can't explain why it doesn't get used in a movie fight scene. There's no time, and the plot exposition would kill the pacing.
7:16 - Life of Brian: Dune Edition
I know Denis isn't into that but I would love an extended version where he would do the mentats and spacing guild stuff. This has to be seen in IMAX.
I understand that both the Mentats and the Spacing Guild are part of the books. But they really are "one note symphonies". The Mentats are human computers. The Spacing Guild navigate the ships through space. That is really all we need to know about them. And we were shown that in the first part. No real need to go Indepth. Denis used the time he had wisely in my opinion. Show the powerplays and the conflicts of conscience over backstories and lore.
There is a series in the works but not with Denis. I think it takes place 1,000 years in the past.
@@russellward4624 Yes. The series on Max is called Dune Prophecy and Denis is involved. It was called Dune Sisterhood when first brought up and Denis is an executive producer. Might actually direct some episodes. Also is 10000 years in the past. When the Bene Gesserit formed.
More importantly, these movies still haven't really explained WHY spice is so important to the galaxy. All we know is it causes visions. (Don't confuse your prior knowledge with what is actually in the movie.)
@@ThreadBomb it is very briefly mentioned early in the first movie as narration. When Paul listens to information video on Arrakis
I am praying for an IMAX theater near to host a double feature. I’d pay a pound of spice to see these films back to back on the biggest of big screens.
My favorite character in this movie without a doubt is Stilgar. His transformation from funny weird uncle/mentor to Paul to him becoming a religious zealot leading an army in his prophets name still gives me chills. We literally watch as Stilgar is warped into a shadow of himself by following his Prophet into a war that will have billions dead by his actions.
He was always a believer and religious, but to see it grow into true fanaticism is terrifying.
Great reaction and appreciate that as someone who read the book, you are accepting of the changes in the movie. 👍😎
I was so excited to see this reaction because I wanted to see how Matthew reacted and he didn’t disappoint 💜 I love this movie
The Harkonnen planet revolves around a black sun, hence why they're in black & white.
I saw this at an IMAX and it was quite the experience. Thufir Hawat scenes were shot but didn't make the final edit.
Seeing Matthew's joy at this gave me a happy!
Paul sees a specific way. He's able to see all paths ahead and only one preserves his life and loved ones. The book calls it the "Golden Path." So, after he takes the water of life, all his choices are out of necessity. He knows the cost, and willingly pays it.
I saw this in the theatre and that line "The Mahdi is too humble to say He is the Madhi" took me completely out of the movie because just like Mathew I immediately though of Life of Brian and I had the giggles and it took me a few minutes to get back into the movie.
Same, it felt like a deliberate reference.
@@ThreadBombAgreed!
Matthew, I saw this in 4DX with my son. When the Grandfather Worm appeared the theater started to shake like an earthquake was happening. It kept getting more violent, my seat was like a bucking bronco trying to throw me off, smashing into my back and butt that it hurt! I reached for my son fearing for his safety. He was screaming with joy! We both let go of our seats. Raised our arms and raised our feet off the floor. We rode the worm with Paul! The soundtrack was deafening beyond belief. The whole theater felt like it was tearing itself apart. It was like riding an avalanche down a hill. It was an exhilarating experience.
That sounds awesome! Hopefully they bring it back to theaters at some point.
The coliseum scene was Amazing in IMAX.
4DX has come such a long way, I used to actively avoid it as it felt tacky, but I rewatched both Dune pt2 and Godzilla Minus One in 4DX and found the additions very engaging for the second view.
It's an unmissable experience in the cinema, I hope you got a chance to do so.
'May the 9th chip and shatter' Do pass it on for next year.
I just found your channel a few days ago, and I love it. You two have the same interests as me and you watch a lot of the same styles of movies I do also. And I think we're about the same age, I am 45
I missed it on the big screen, and I am an old book fan. I hope they release it again in theaters. I will be first in line. To those who hate the adaptation form the books, this is the best you can hope for, and it is done fantastically.
Thank you, glad I'm not the only one who got the Life of Brian vibe
My husband - who has never read Dune, but adores Life of Brian - cracked up in the cinema at that point 😂
Of all the great castings in this movie, Charlotte Rampling may have been the best choice. She killed it!
"We do not hope...we plan!"
Rampling
@@SunsetRogue Thanks...I was writing Charlotte again.
The Reverend Mother in the books is such a powerful character. I think in both the 80's version and the new one. The casting directors got it perfectly right.
I really liked this one, but Alia not born from Jessica taking the Water of Life and then her not getting the Baron with the Gom Jabbar... did not like it or understand why that was changed. she is important in Book 2. Thanks for the better reaction on this one!
DV probably didn't want to work with a child actor
Alia is impossible to cast - literally impossible - per the book. You have to age her up or leave her in utero. There isn't a 3yo on the planet who can behave like an adult for long enough to film her scenes, even if the filmmakers overwrote her voice with, say, a 9yo actor.
@@zoesumra9152 And accelerating her growth (like every other adaptation) wouldn't have worked because why exactly? It's not like DV stuck to the book in Part 2.
They are going to age her up anyway for Messiah. Anya Taylor-Joy is almost 30 (and will be by the time Messiah is out). There's only a 12 year gap between books, plus a few for the years DV skipped, so she has to age quickly...
@@LordVolkov Agreed. The change of Alia not being the Barons executioner was the one choice I couldn't forgive them.
Main hero kills main villain again. Not like we've seen that ten thousand times.
It also ruins the bit where she becomes Abomination in "Children of Dune"(if we get that far) and(spoilers)has him guiding her from within.
I could understand cutting Thufir and Fenring(who I'm sure Tim Blake Nelson was playing in that secret role), but the change just annoyed me to the point that I was just bored during the ending(other than the final duel). I was like "You could have aged her up. Said it was the body trying to be as skilled as the minds of what came before her. Anything!"
TL:DR:Paul killing the Baron was the easy/lazy solution to removing Alia.
@@phousefilms It's a big missed opportunity to set up the life-extending properties of spice by having it accelerate Alia's growth, which I'm sure will have to be addressed to explain adult Alia while everyone else has only aged a few years after the timeskip between movies.
Seeing a worm on a 60ft tall IMAX screen is something I'll never forget. Hopefully you two get to see an IMAX version of this movie on another rerelease that will eventually happen.
This was amazing in IMAX! I did miss Alia. If you look at how the movie opened it foreshadowed the ending. Even the heavy breathing.
Idk if you would do documentaries but there is an interesting one about Jodorowsky’s Dune interpretation that never got made. His would be the wildest ever.
Actually, there are shots in DUNE that seem to leap straight out his Metabaron stories as illustrated by Juan Jimenez.
The worm riding sequence, my favorite of the film.
LISAN AL GAIB!!!!! This is a surprise. Bout time you saw the sequel. BTW Elvis did a great Stellar Skateboard impression. I’ll ignore the fact you don’t have the flesh light buckets in tow.
Y'all are the best!
Have you guys seen the mini-series Syfy channel did back in 2000? Costumes and production were not as good as these, naturally. But storywise it follows the book closer than either this latest release or the 1984 movie. It was neat for me to see each version. I was not fond of the dropping Aila of the Knife as they did. I rather enjoyed it being HER that offed the Baron in the book and other versions. I understand why they did it, but prefer her involvement like in the book. I was also not fond of the changes to Chani regarding her opposition to Stil and her jealous girlfriend bit at the end of this. I SO much prefer her being able to see the need for the Paul & Irulian marriage. But she KNEW she (Chani) was the one Paul cared for. Book Chani was not a fool that up and stopped off in a huff out of jealousy.
Liking the laughing at the 'dry humor.'
Between part 1 and part 2, part 2 was the superior movie. However, the original will always be my favorite, i grew up watching that one with my dad, and plus, it's a very quotable movie
I love this movie that I started reading the first book. There are happenings in the book that did not make it to the movie. But I will still wait for the 2nd book’s movie then I’m gonna read it, because it’s too complicated for me still lol especially memorizing their names. 😅
Still my favorite movie of 2024. But Deadpool & Wolverine could knocked out Dune part 2 as my favorite
LISAN AL-BAEANS! LISAN AL-BAEANS!
'Which box?' As expected as a T***p lie.
Yes, this movie needs to be experienced in 70mm IMAX. I've seen it 6 times in IMAX, and each time, it just gets better!! It was unparelleled.
I have a movie recombination for you guys when you guys have a chance. Fritz the Cat 1972.
They will bring it back they brought back part one before part 2. I saw it 4 times in theaters
1984's Paul vs. Feyd was so much more epic in my memory than this one. I mean, I liked this. But a) the lack of the poison dart/blade and, b) Paul actually SPLITTING Feyd's dead body in half with the voice after he won were things I wished were included.
The poison needle was in the book. But that whole sound weapon was not. I am so glad that most of the new movie was nothing like the 80's one. That movie was altered too much from themes of Herbert's book.
@donny1960 Well, there's things that were altered in this movie as well. Both films took specific liberties in order to achieve a specific tone, which is how it should be. The fight itself, while really well done and choreographed and acted, just felt less emphatic to me.
@@TedBrogan Agreed. In the 1984 film, the Paul/Feyd fight felt like a climax of the movie. In the new one it was just a thing that happened.
Rabban is a bad boss. Stilgar is my favorite.
Yes.
I had heard, though I cannot support this with evidence, but I had heard that Messiah etc is confirmed, they’re going to ride this to the end unless it falls off in popularity at… well, “the weird stuff” lmao.
Why did you miss this on the big screen? A rewatch of something this Epic is fine for the channel.
Circumstances in personal life didn’t allow for it.
Was too tired to leave this first time watching: #title for Matthew - Cinemagistrate of Movie Metropolis!
Nice shirt. "Kiss my Converse."
They used my title! I'M SOMEBODY NOW!
i like the movie on tv, its in my top20 its rly a fine movie
but in cinema its my favorite movie of all time. it even outpaced avatar for me which was 1st there before (but on tv is not good for me)
so both dune p1 and dune p2 are movies that in the cinema gets a 10/10 but this was even better
the sounddesign the visuals ... it blows you away.
my tv cant even show the deep black that good alot of fracturing so this movie "might" be better on an 10000$ 8k tv but otherwise cinema is the way to go
Now for the fun part. How do you get off the worm?
And how did they keep it still enough to load up Lady Jessica and her escort?
In the shadows of Arrakis lie many secrets.
I like to think they have the palaquin waiting atop the dune they summon to 😅 and the fremen latch it on while the rider takes control (the previous rev mother in the book says she won't survive another journey south 🤕)
@@LordVolkov I may have been was too stoned in the theater.
Well is hinted in the books. And shown in 80's movie. That you get on and off Worms by making them "roll". Slowly......
Yeah, that's what I was thinking(for the palanquin part).
They get off when they get to the destination or the worm wants to dive again. By that time, the worm doesn't care about the noises left behind them.
Leroy vs. Paul? I don't know, Paul can't glow red or yellow. I'm going Bruce Leroy. Sho'nuff
Jessica: The Holy War begins. Yoda: Begun, the Clone War has.
I was going to point that out. Interesting parallel, both with last lines.
Heeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrre's Chani! 😃
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?” -Frank Herbert.
My biggest gripe with this is that if you read the first book there's really no indication that Herbert had this in mind when writing it. The book makes you root for Paul in a way that doesn't give any kind of "warning" that you're wrong for agreeing. I think if your goal is to write a book that shows how dangerous it is to follow a charismatic leader, you really do need to show how bad the consequences get(like with Hitler), but in Paul's case he really is the Messiah of the Fremen and the Kwisatz Haderach, so it's simply perfectly rational to follow him. He really is a god-like figure in the story, he's not just a random guy who manages to convince people to follow him because he has such a convincing personality.
@Hooga89 I think the point is so you drink the coolaide yourself only to learn the truth later. If you don't fall for it yourself people always overestimate their own intelligence and assume they wouldn't fall for it. It gives an undeniable and personal insight.
@@Hooga89 isn’t that why messiah was made ,to show the consequences of his actions for lying and twisting the prophecy that was not true but made up
He really didn't see this up well. He didn't have made the harkonnen and bene jeserit so despicable of he really wanted to give this warning. Not a real smart move from the guy.
@bmxdoe how does that change anything? If the harkonnnen are bad then Paul can't be? Is that what you're saying?
28:56 HOWDEE!!!
Messiah (Part 3) may never get made as we know it, because by the end of Part 2, they have clearly made changes and used specific quotes from the book showing that the characters are literally and knowingly taking one of the different paths than the one followed in the books. Describing the subtle differences of an 'alternate' future path that was not taken, and the film actually ends ON that path at the end instead. In an instant the readers know that a large number of important events and main stories from across several books are no longer possible. And the average moviegoer will have no idea it even happened, because they can only see the path they are on, as if the act of watching was itself some sort of meta commentary. Or he just wanted to throw a wrench into any attempts to follow-up his films(Children and onwards). But then again, most people don't get that deep enough into the series to know it starts being 'Real Fucking Weird' after that point.
Paul does say he sees that Chani will come to understand. Maybe it will take her the time lapse between these movies and Messiah?
Prefer book version with Alia killing Baron Harkonnen. I mean, seriously...how often is it you see a main villain NOT killed by the main hero? It just was better.
Tim Blake Nelson was an unknown role cut out(I still thing he was going to Hasimir Fenring)and Thufir was also removed(though Denis regretted it).
Feyd was the only saving grace of the film, the rest, I found poor compared to the source material(unlike #1).
Just me though, I expect, so I am the odd person out.
Easily my favorite IMAX experience next to Interstellar, the sound design alone is ungodly.
Paul as a redeemer is what happens in Dune Messiah. Chani helps Paul redeem the Jihad through their childeren, esp Leto II. Leto II can lead humanity on the Golden Path. The Golden Path is the cure for humanities corruption and stagnation. Herbert thought that was humanity not following leaders and thinking for themselves.
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Serious question, to our great reactors here, or anyone in the comments...do you see an analog in our world to the whole dangerous charismatic leader? Please tell me you do, as that is what the author was trying to communicate to us all
Everyone comments on how odd the colosseum scene was visually even for black & white, the reason is that it was shot in infra-red which posed a few challenges to the makeup and wardrobe departments. In infra-red many tattoos show threw the normal makeup used to cover them, and some black fabrics do not appear black.
Please React To Breakdown - 1997 & The Frighteners - 1996.
Paul’s reluctance seemed to be mostly him trying to be with Chani. He said early that they had to sway to nonbelievers. Do you think all of the things coming true are coincidences? Chain’s name being apart of being Paul back. He’s not just a man anymore. He’s the one like Neo.
In my opinion, Chani and Stilgar could have both had their belief and skepticism addressed without the extreme opposition they embodied. Both should've been believers by the time Paul survived the Water of Life. I love that she was more of a fleshed out character than the book, but not going over the prospect of political marriage to Irulan was a mistake ( jessica advocates for paul to marry chani in the book while chani is in favor of the martiage for legitimacy with House Corrino.) Also, from a strictly writing aspect of her character, she should not have been angry with Paul for doing what must be done to lead her people to victory right after she convinces him to go south and do that very thing.
There is a mistake in your comment. Jessica was not in favor of Paul's marriage to Chani. But she understood what a Political marriage was. The last line of the book is Jessica telling Chani ...... "History will call us wives".
Fayed Rautha saying ''you thought well Atreaides'', i never read that in the book. Feyd is much more crual.
Was not in the book. Was just a repeat of his fight in the Arena. Movie making is so different that book reading. Most movie makers will reference a line from earlier in the movie to emphasize a point. In books the writer has all the time and all those pages to make their points.
Taking out the poison needle makes the Feyd/Paul fight fall flat to me.
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Seeing this in Imax was the most incredible theater experience of my life and Im 45
Same, and I'm 44...