The Hegelian E-Girl Council
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- Опубликовано: 7 янв 2025
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weird episode of fresh & fit but ok
who is myron and who is fresh in this
@@Hayydar_963art chad is Myron judging by the amount they both use the word “retard”
@@Hayydar_963Jreg is clearly Myron he's fiery like that
Whatever podcast for autistic people
@@crater35He’s ✨fierce ✨
If I tried to explain the Hegelian E-Girl Council to my dad, he would probably send me back to Syria.
To be fair, if you tried to explain simply Hegel, the result might be the exact same...
they sound like they would support assad though so whats the issue?
is syrian diaspora as butthurt as the average Gusano ?
@@americafy9195 I tried explaining Hegel to my dad once and he just looked at me, smiled and said "Awesome, and how am I ever applying that to my life?"
That shit hurt cuz it's true
And he would be correct
Truly, he should.
I am taking ever increasing amounts of psychic damage from watching this which has managed to stabilize me from becoming a productive member of the society
It's so nice to see Hegelian E-girls and Deleuzean E-boys interacting nonviolently
Hegel -> slavoj zizek
Deleuze -> nick land
Your comment accurately describes the state of the internet via this particular podcast episode.
No it's not
I don't know what I just read
i immediately want to violently argue with these women
Nikki says she wants to “reconcile” Hegel with Land. There is nothing to reconcile. Land is a posthumanist. That’s why he supports Yarvin’s neoreactionary (monarchic libertarianism). He wants to reach the Technological Singularity.
Hegelian Egirl council talks to Jreg once, immediately collapses
Greg being the only one to break the fourth wall and look at me makes me more uncomfortable than I’d care to admit.
Ikr, he pierces into my soul with his negative cantal tilt
Yes. That swivel, and glare beyond the shared line of sight of the others. A violation. "He sees that I am watching?"
Absolutely shatters the fourth wall every time he does that. Brilliant. Your wheelhouse, Thomas. Good stuff :)
I also thoroughly appreciate your past conversation with VanderKlay.
What the fuck are you doing here
holy shit it’s the movie video essay guy what are you doing here
@@JoyFrimpong Wait did he talk to paul vanderklay? I can't seem to find it
I like how this podcast is so focused around the building of community while also showcasing the most insufferable types of people you could possibly have in a community
Just awful
Very dialectical
I don't think I care for this 4chan/youtube generation version of the hipster.
i'm having an existential crisis because of this comment
4chan hipsters rise down
Community le good, suicide le bad, nothing ever happens
this
facts
word. word.
Bro cannot handle the amount of happening happening right now.
@@Nagasakevideo NEH
what a nice movement, i bet this initiative is going very far and won't implode under it's own weight in a spetacular public fashion
This group is Schopenhauer's nightmare
Intrigued, how? Lol
@@TheDnegDegen Schopenhauer hated Hegel.
@@MiloMay ya I looked into the beef after lol
He also hated women
he cant keep getting away with it
Nightmare blunt rotation
More like sublime blunt rotation
Im so glad brogan is here to be normal
YOU'RE NOT A HEGELIAN E-GIRL YOU ARE A REACTIONARY WITH LACANIAN AESTHETICS
Good
unyesn’t
Is this directed towards the people reading the comment, the hosts of HST, or the Hegelian e-girls?
@@corrina8125Red Scare Pod probs
It's a process of becoming
Can we get random people who work at your local soup kitchen on the pod?
That would be great
This is a great idea
I would watch
yeah can we get, like, the youth pastor at the local church?
I cannot believe this chick quoted the first line of Lacan's Wikipedia entry from memory when asked to share her thoughts on him 😂
what academia does to a mf
Because she's the one who wrote it.
@@paulmaartin even if she's the editor of the wiki she's not the one who wrote it. The "described as the most controversial blah blah blah since Freud" is a quote of another author.
Nice try though, whichever way you try and slice it she was asked to introduce her opinion after agreeing to discuss her thoughts in long-term and she parroted the words of another person.
@@MultiReptilianI’m not an academic and wouldn’t call myself a Leftist, but the reason the Left loses is because of things like this. The Golden Age of Capitalism was 1945-1973. These are considered “the good old days” in the public imagination. Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama gave us 40 years of neoliberalism and hawkish foreign policy. This made the working class susceptible to conspiratorial thinking and scapegoating. Enter Trump. So stop talking about Lacan, Zizek, Negarestani, and just be actual Leftists.
@@aesop1451 "actual leftists" in the US that actually were in politics would only be theodore roosevelt
Deleuzian son or Hegelian daughter?
Child abandonment
Sacrifice to moloch
That introduction is so spicy. Calling hegel anything but the purest of schizophrenia is extremely bold
"Baseball isn't just playing in the world series, it's practice and watch filmi AND baseball" - the first 10 min and apparently Hegel as a whole
The older I get the more I realize JJ is right. All this gobbledygook is meaningless but it sounds so sensational that it makes it feel like you learned something useful while never having to actually do anything. Real political engagement that actually accomplishes things has to be localized, incremental and communal. Go to your city council and fix the potholes or the needles in your neighborhood.
Alot of it is useful, alot of it is bullshit pulling observations about the most meaningless hyper-specific subjective or personal interpretations about literally whatever and making it sound like you're saying something of substance.
Like I almost threw up when they tried to rationalize Hegel as "girl coded", and saying something is basically "male BPD".
This shit is so stupid most of the time. Being able to use frameworks doesn't make you not an irresponsible idiot, it just tricks others into listening to what you said, or at least opening their brains to intake words and parse them to figure out what they meant in the first place.
So you get to pretend like you're doing stuff while you trick others, pass no real meaning on, pat yourself on the back, and make the world worse. So based.
@@IneaCylean
I get your point and sometimes playing with those frames can bring new insights which could be used for practical implementations
I don't think JJ would call it meaningless and if he would call it that he would be wrong. But let's be real it's meaninglessnes will always be second to the fact that it's no more than just ideas. And like you say real politics has little to do with the realm of ideas.
But just to be clear "philosophy" is not useless. It is useful when we want to understand the world or moraly and intellectually grandstand but it will not help you do politics.
@@adamlagerqvist8111 This is meaningless mental m**turbation. If it’s just having thoughts for the purpose of having the thought then the idea has no practical applications and only serves to distract one from improving their lives and the lives of others. Every time Jreg tried to bring it back to the realm of the practical and the useful they just deflected with more pseudo-philosophical garbage.
@@adamlagerqvist8111 exactly. not a single word of this pod was politics, it was all philosophy
Ladies and gentlemen, I welcome you to the ninth, and final, circle of hell.
you guys gotta start doing timestamps.
Jreg is the first philosopher to not be brainrotted
Jreg is my favorite philosopher
stirner
"Hegelian E-Girl" sounds like something my schizophrenic stalker would call me before he started just stringing together insults lmao. I'm so tired.
watching them struggle for almost 2 hours to explain what the blond dude explained in 12 seconds was painful
Art Chad stays winning
We need an Union of Egoist E-Girls.
Too spooky for them
explain hegel to me copypasta:
the collective totality of every human that has ever lived in history constitutes a kind of "person", the human race as a singular cohesive identity (the Geist), and has undergone a process of growth similar to the individual humans development, from baby to adulthood, and this development is what we call history. to understand humanity as a collective project, that is developing in complexity and nuance over time, not according to any one singular individuals will or direction - no part of the whole directs or even understands the whole (until Hegel, who is the first to do so, in articulating this - more on this later). philosophy is the discovery of this process, as we inspect it "after the fact" so to speak. History just happens, but using philosophy, we can discover what has happened and who we are, and this explains human civilizational and technological development from tribal, agricultural state to modern industrialized state. Hegel considers his work transcendentalist because it is in Hegel that for the first time in history, this history-spirit become "self-aware" in the literal words that Hegel is writing about it. The absolute is the end point of this development, which is also "philosophy's God", the God of Plato, the abstract first mover end final purpose of all existence, and human historical process, is the process of the absolute becoming self-aware, in the form of humanity, and Hegel's phenomenology of the spirit is the exact moment in time where the absolute recognizes itself, and he says "my pen is writing the thoughts of God". Dialectic is a word to describe the practical way that the human spirit develops, the way the culture and social development progresses "in an upwards spiral", through, essentially, trial and error.
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yeah.
source?
@@marcinkrocki8114 hegel himself
@@real_pattern its the first summary i have seen of some hegelian work that does not feel completly unsatysfying, pretty neat
@@marcinkrocki8114 it is neat but don't let it fool you, it's bullshit.
I disagree with the upward" spiral", it is aspirationnal, not a dogmatic certainty.
I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!
I guess it's just growing up. What was the 'it' you were with though? Genuinely curious.
@@yogurtballoon8090 the Simpsons
Regular people don't want to talk to you about this
This podcast makes my devil's advocacy twich so hard. I can easily be described as a natural "postmodern" thinker, but when she says you cant step in the same river twice my mind thinks that water is only part of what a river is. A river is a social construct that describes describes a location for human necessities. Thirst, food, navigation, social interaction, cleaning and much more.
While a river's water, rock, soil, plant, animal content is in a constant state of change, the social construct will always remain.
When i visit the Cherokee Bathtubs, i sit upon the same rocks that post relocation Cherokees sat up on, but I'll likely never touch the same river.
But if I legitimize the social construct and dont think about things too much, i can have meaningful connections with people's I can never know. I can see the ancestors of the people, plants, animals from so long ago.
I can feel the joy of children playing, hunters and fishers snagging l and w... i can feel the fears of the US gov.
That's what I like about these gals takes. If feels something like 'don't spend all your time in one river, youll miss seeing how the river changes.
Yeah dude the river in your head is the same but in reality the water constantly flows. "The river is the same in my head tho"
There are ants under your skin :3
*heaves*. Dude. Shut up
You know, in Mexico they call it ‘aqua’
@@halminnesota699 H2O! 😂
1:19 BASQUE MENTIONED!!!!!!! EUSKADI TA ASKATASUNA!!!!!
Jreg is part Basque but he thinks it's just French and Spanish mix
@@bighillraftaw man…
I know it smells crazy in there
What the hell
I have no idea what this means but I'm intrigued
Stop it. I'm dying over here.
It smells crazy good!
I didn't know Adult Swim made 2 hour absurdist skits.
I just discovered my hate for Hegel
Honestly, I think I’m getting there too, can you share with me your reasoning about it?
@@kadenp.8953 I mostly meant that as a joke, but the types of people that define themselves as Hegelians are often super cringe and overly systematic thinkers.
@@Archeidos-ArcanaI don’t know shit about Hegel, but Dialectical Behavioral Therapy is pretty cool and practical and I think that’s somewhat derived from his ideas
@@Archeidos-ArcanaKierkegaard w in this regard
More like horseshit theory.
Explain that theory
@@bighillraft the idea is all radicalism is bad and you should be a centrist who doesnt really care that much about philosophy goobledygook. Just go and get a job or something idk
I looked at this, took a long ass sigh then hit the subscribe button
undialecticels seething rn
CLAIMS TO BE "ANTI-WORDCEL" (INSTEAD OF SAYING "I DONT LIKE USING BIG WORDS") AND CANT MANAGE TO SAY A SINGLE NORMAL SENTENCE IN 2 HOURS im losing it
They are the wordceliest
this is why we shouldny let women think
yoooo these chicks look BUSTED!!!!
It's like watching a snake eat its own tail in real time
greg will you be taking responsibility the implosion of the Hegelian E-girl Council? We are expecting your resignation at this time
Watch the plastic pills podcast episode where he interviews Greg
I learned absolutely nothing from this
ThIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSS so much intellectual posturing, no evidence whatsoever given to back up any claim, constant interruptions from male podcasters that add nothing to the discussion, altogether poor interview questions. These girls hold a lot of knowledge but none of it is communicated effectively.
@@Jace2000Ice well Jreg brought this up several times, asking them to explain their ideas simply and they couldn't do it. They often used the word they were defining in the definition. Like seriously, these girls basically said a whole lot of nothing
Mission accomplished id say 🎉
@@basedcentrist3056 I think its because Jreg already understood these ideas pretty well, I found at least, as someone who knows not much philosophy I learned a bit from the questions Jreg asked and their discourse overall. This feels kind of meta right now as hearing them discuss alienation feels quite apt when I read a comment like the one you left below your main message and am reminded that two people can watch a video and come away with entirely different opinions.
Idk lol, I feel I got quite a bit out of this discussion.
I think you already understand a lot of these ideas more than you already realise, its just that the language comes across as being needlessly complicated and often contradictory, but that's kind of on purpose in order to demonstrate "the dialectic". If it comes across as contradictory, you're already learning more than you think. Don't discredit your own knowledge, but follow it through on all its threads, all the way through and back again.
@KezickTV I already know about Hagel, you're correct about that. I wanted to know if they did. And more often than not, seemed like they didn't
There's literally no point to making conversation more convoluted than it needs to be, other than to obfuscate that you don't have any idea of what you're talking about
The Holy Trinity
Moldbug, Land, Gatsby
these women are learning concepts by practicing them in their personal lives and allowing old patterns of logic take a more semantic and conceptual structure
five or ten years later they will realise that dialectical and Hegelian thinking is the same thing they did before they learned all those fancy words and the same thing every human being is already doing, while on the other hand they will then have the benefit of knowing with somewhat higher clarity their own thought processes than others.
There is a word for the rather unpleasant smell that so often occupies this transitory phase however, it is called pedantry.
They state that dialectical thinking would benefit politics, it is akin to stating that creating more money would benefit the economy, they are both true, but not for the reason they imagine.
More thinking itself would benefit politics, while politics is already dialectical. Politics is done by people with far more real world knowledge than any of you have gained through this momentary conceptual straightjacket that your body language and rhetorical methods already reveals the apprehension of.
If when you are describing something that you know is very different from what most people have heard you non the less insist on talking about it very fast this indicates how shallowly it sits in your mind.
And to then couple it to something that is quite distinct from it and only really associated to it in your head indicates that exact same thing.
These are the benefits of heightened fluid intelligence of childhood, but it can not fail to seem picturesque, self-centered, and certainly myopic to anyone else.
@@julianfloa If you are failing to express something in a way that most people have heard or can understand, I actually think that's a sign that this idea sits very deeply in your mind. It's cause you fundamentally think in that certain way that you'd find it hard to, I guess, un-think it and explain it in layman's terms.
I'd also say philosophers are pedantic, if they weren't then they'd be sophists.
You should unpack your misogyny my guy.
@@Jace2000Ice shut up
Didn’t Sanje leave and disavow the Hegelian E-Girls? was this filmed before?
Strategic schism. She will capture the whiners like acid horizon did with Land, order them to shun the Council, thus purging the Hegelian E-Girl kingdom of the cognitively J - ish hangers on.
“Hegel is brain cancer” - Nick Land
Chinameth
While not wrong, Nick Land is soul meth
This is as if jreg turned into a woman and split in 3
These comments are the most critical and cynical of the guests I’ve seen on any episode so far
They’re all intimidated about anything they can’t understand without actually thinking.
@@carlh.h.2242real
Braindead "Hegelian E-girl" spotted
well it's three guests so you have to pretend you're reading three comment sections at the same time
WOMEN
Best episode so far. Actually remained interesting throughout most the episode.
watching the twitter drama around this unfold is probably going to be more entertaining than the video itself
Lol was this filmed before the Hegelian Egirl Council fell?
Yeah the asian girl realized her peers are all pseuds and creeps
What happened to them?? 👀
It's not even worth knowing
Drunk history except all the info is pulled from wikipedia entries and they suffer from debilitating brain rot instead of being inebriated.
Saddening to see that this is the absolute state of doctorate holding “philosophers” of our age. Someone should go make sure Hegel didn’t roll out of his grave during the filming of this podcast
It’s somewhat comforting that kids today sit down and discuss Hegel. Could’ve been much worse!
you know whos also a girl on the internet femtanyl have her on the pod
This. Femtanyl goes hard
is she even canadian??
Who?
real
is that redscarepod? why does anna look different
Getting into the weeds with this one, like God intended discourse to be
Ok so reading Hegel will make me autistic. My suspicions are confirmed
timing of this podcast is ironic given their community just exploded
What happened
What happened?
@@dally1398u know what happened?
@@kwisatzhaderach999 nope
It is impossible to interpret the romantic german baroque world that wrote Hegel in our anglo plantation-incinerator age
They could get zizek on the podcast unironically
He's too old ):
@@dominicdoherty7208 barely older than JJ
Alchemy should be integrated to the hegelian e-girl memes
De-wordcelling hegel is deocculting alchemy
when they talked about post-feminism and the bad consequences to the sexual revolution to gen z women i felt like watching Gerbert Johnson's vids. Can we maybe get Gerbie on the pod?
no
Call ‘em the Hegelian E girls because they clearly need dialectical behavior therapy
Are we ever going to see PF Jung on the pod? Maybe with a J.J. co-guest??
2 cretins
You're planning to hit them all at once, aren't you?
i feel like the further along i listened the less i actually understood what their point truly was and felt they were just sorta reactionary in some form or another. they said theyre getting degrees and such in philosophy and that they want to de-jargon their beliefs but i don’t think they did a spectacular job doing so when there was confusion. also, while i think i agree there’s issues with some of the language women use (im just a girl) i think going from calling that fascist to saying we need the “father” felt so … idk have they read much feminism? they called themselves post feminist but that genuinely makes no sense to me. they’re not gender abolitionists, they just are retreating to some older ideas (synthesizing one might say) of society regarding women’s place. i had a hard time telling where these girls were actually coming from
Loool she looks nothing like her photos omg holy catfish @nikki.
this is so fkn funny
Why did nobody tell me philisophy baddies exist
Everyone speaks so fast. Damn young people.
I think I'm in love.
'True union, or love proper, exists only between living things who are alike in power and thus in one another’s eyes living beings from every point of view; in no respect is either dead for the other. This genuine love excludes all oppositions. It is not the understanding, whose relations always leave the manifold of related terms as a manifold and whose unity is always a unity of opposites [left as opposites]. It is not reason either, because reason sharply opposes its determining power to what is determined. Love neither restricts nor is restricted; it is not finite at all. It is a feeling, yet not a single feeling [among other single feelings]. A single feeling is only a part and not the whole of life; the life present in a single feeling dissolves its barriers and drives on till it disperses itself in the manifold of feelings with a view to finding itself in the entirety of the manifold. This whole life is not contained in love in the same way as it is in this sum of many particular and isolated feelings; in love, life is present as a duplicate of itself and as a single and unified self. Here life has run through the circle of development from an immature to a completely mature unity: when the unity was immature, there still stood over against it the world and the possibility of a cleavage between itself and the world; as development proceeded, reflection produced more and more oppositions (unified by satisfied impulses) until it set the whole of man’s life in opposition [to objectivity]; finally, love completely destroys objectivity and thereby annuls and transcends reflection, deprives man’s opposite of all foreign character, and discovers life itself without any further defect. In love the separate does still remain, but as something united and no longer as something separate; life [in the subject] senses life [in the object]'.
- Hegel, 'On Love', 1798.
And people try to say that Hegel isn't a beautiful writer.
Release the JJ vs 1Dime "debate"
Wow solved German idealism in 10 minutes
From the first three minutes, it sounds more like the Zizekian e-girl council
I'm realizing that what these girls are talking about is directly shown through Gurren Lagann. Integrating both sides of thought as truths and continuously evolving humanity's consciousness, like a drill.
I'm not gonna listen to this bro
anglo-boxed!
Where else are you gonna listen to someone who's had plastic surgery defend phrenology
If you ask a Hegelian out and she says no.. does that mean we gonna synthesize and have kids together?
Lmao
Okay they got me back, blue collar work is good yeah
I went on Sanje's twitter and one of the first posts is that she has broken up with Nikki.
It was great as long as it lasted (2 months)
did hegel interrupt ppl as much as these girls?
Does anyone know what jús saunse is? Or however it’s spelled…the feminine/phallic thing…? I’m intrigued but confused.
Jouissance is a kinda flow state where you pursue some thing out of a passion that doesn't care a lot whether that pursuit hurts you. Playing a video game until morning is maybe a good example for it because you really wanna do it and keep going but at the same time you get really tired and exhausted but while you're playing you don't find the time to even acknowledge that it's taking a toll on you. Playing in general might be a kinda jouissance.
I'd say that it can be felt by men and women alike but potency is often associated with the phallus. The question then arises how women relate to that in their being because they don't have the phallus but of course they still have some sort of autonomy and even potency and potential to emancipate but what is it and so on and so on... The last part is obviously quite open and I don't have the answers but I guess the main reason they adressed this whole thing is because of the contradiction of feminine/phallic, the tension it causes and therefore of course: the dialectics.
Schönen Tag auch!
@@schadowizationproductions6205 why is the potency of something like that associated with the phallus, seems like kind of a random association
it's like flicker gooning
@@canti7951 ahhh that clears things up ty
the selfie vs. video diff is crazy 💀
The 1:30:00 conversation is summed as capitalism separates the worker from the fruits of their products. Even far enough to another section of the globe. And then, the populace forgets its industries inner workings, hopeful the life in the PMC is “better” than in the mill
This episode went crazy
And low key might need an index
I kinda want an interview with just the girl in the middle
The discussion of kabbalah mysticism and using it to know one's self makes me very curious what everyone here would make of Jodorosky's films, especially The Holy Mountain.
no god no god please no no no no
oh lord yes lord please yes yes yes
maybe spirit maybe spirit please maybe maybe maybe maybe
U funny
Ok so I'm at 1:26:07. But they could have explained to Brogan the concepts of the Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis
i am in hell
GET HAZ ON THE POD
Sure
I doubt he ever would. Honestly Haz seems to gave mellowed out lately.
Oh please no
@@HSTPOD what about kantbot?
Infrared? Eugh
I don’t know who the he11 is listening to these girls ramble for 2 hours😂
Jreg has made me hate philosophy. This shit is the nerd equivalent of brain rot
This is not philosophy. This is hegelianism.
Philosophy's purpose is to talk about thinking enough that you realize talking about thinking is stupid because thinking is too complex for language and then you just actually start doing shit with your life basically however you wanted in the first place anyways, but with less distractions.
Most arguments against philosophy has its origin in "I'm stupid."
@@FaithEdits Most arguments for philosophy have its origin in "I'm insecure"
@@FaithEdits try this one then: you like philosophy because you're too scared or lazy to study a branch that'd force you to put theory to practice or experimentation like the sciences. So you choose to sit on a comfy chair and think-max, delusionally confident that the external secrets of the universe and yourself can be found through mental masturbation alone 🤷♂️
girls are epic
JJ once said on PF Jung podcast that political commentators needed to listen to women's opinions more but I dont think this is what he had in mind
@@bighillraftNo, we’ve been listening to women for long enough. Look at the big BreadTubers. 3 hour video essays. Completely detached from the living experience. This is why working class people are joining the Right and embracing conspiracies.
so uh did the council implode before this even got posted? im not on twitter anymore and very confused
Yes, but don't look into it. Junk data
This is probably pretentious as hell but it's nice seeing people who think for themselves and have unique opinions. Cus godamn does it seem like the same groups of people often have the same opinion and it's not really that intresting after awhile.
Jesus can they stop talking over eachother for one second.
yeah they need headphones
Most lucid episode of the pod so far
Australians made mistake buying tickets, landed in Austria and by accident got to Slovenia. True story.
Fredric Jameson just died and yet he’s already rolling in his grave
How is this the way I found out about his death? The comment section of a podcast with e-girls…
loved especially the parts about work and work culture
I haven’t the slightest idea what these people are saying
They're not really saying anything.
Read Hegel in my first year of uni, in which I was heavily sedated by lsd and mushrooms. It’s safe to say that I pretty much became and accelerated death harbinger of facism.