Did This River Cut the Grand Canyon?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- We visit with geologist Dr. Steve Austin at the Grand Canyon to discuss whether or not the Colorado River is responsible for carving out this enormous natural marvel. Watch the full video and 19 more in our series "Beyond Is Genesis History?: Rocks and Fossils": bit.ly/bighvol1
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𝘉𝘦𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘐𝘴 𝘎𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘴 𝘏𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺? explores rocks and fossils, intelligent design, astronomy, and so much more! These fascinating segments are approximately 20 minutes each and include an incredible depth of material not included in the film. They are perfect for families, churches, schools, and homeschools wanting to learn how Genesis explains the world around us.
Del Tackett, DM created the Truth Project in 2005 with @focusonthefamily
Steve Austin, PhD received his PhD from @pennstate in sedimentary geology
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A lot of water in very little time ❤🕊
A lot of water in very little time couldn't produce the vertically incised switchback meanders seen in the GC. Those formations only can be eroded by a slow moving meandering river downcutting solid rock over millions of years. Fast flowing water cuts straight channels as seen in the Lake Missoula ice dam floods.
If the volume of water that is in the Colorado river was constant over time, the Grand Canyon would be the not so grand swale, as the sidewalls would be contoured and not sharply defined. Erosion from the sides would soften the contours.
40 days and 40 nights.
331 consecutive days of measurable rainfall were recorded at Manuawili Ranch, Maui, in 1939-40. If you include a trace of rain, the record is 881 consecutive days, or nearly three straight years, at Honomu Maki, Oahu, from 1913 to 1916. Very little erosion was caused by this rain.
@@chilkat_river "Very little erosion was caused by this rain."
That wasn't the mechanism of Noah's flood though. Billions of tons of soft sediment
was left by incoming water and then meandering channels were cut as water receded.
The rain was the one they say "it rained for 2 million years". Yes, but within 40 days.
@@jasminelindros8923 "there are no exposed mountain ranges to erode, and no rivers to carry any sediment."
I'll try to be as nice as I can: as the flood waters rose, sediments were dropped out. As the flood receded, soft newly deposited sediments eroded. That being said, get outside and study nature in real time and this will become self evident.
I believe a catastrophic, sudden release of water from the Western Interior Seaway or the remnants of that seaway was the source for the water that helped create the Grand Canyon.
Some creationists believe that mountains were uplifted after the Flood. This suggests the Colorado Plateau was uplifted after the Flood. This may have been when the Grand Canyon was formed.
An effect of the Flood was the earth tipping over 90 degrees, and wrenching the crust.
I thought the same thing, but the guys with PHD's told me that the rising of the mountains would have took several years. I'm not so sure after the radical changes the flood made.
But another consideration is the melting of massive amounts of snow after the flood. That would have happened very rapidly and been absolutely monstrous.
Imagine the Ice age created in one year. Then imagine the first summer after the flood. Mega springtime runoff.
@@beestoe993Imaginings aren't science, however.
@htos1av Do you have any documentation for said claim?
@@christopherskipp1525 Right, I guess that rules out the millions of years fantasy.
Thank you🙏
water draining en-mass after the flood😮. probably back down the geysers it came from 😊
Kent hovind explained it best. Where does water flow uphill. Especially that kind of incline
No. While the plateau including the river were both being uplifted the river always maintained its downward gradient. Water never had to flow uphill. Kent Hovind has no idea what he's talking about.
@@1VFA666 so everything lifted up except where the water flowed ? Awesome logic
Why dont you submit a paper on this to the geologists?
And why haven't you already? I mean, if you want this known and reviewed and endorsed, that's what you would do, right? But you haven't...hmmm.
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The flood of Noah!
Also, how would all the side canyons be cut as deeply as the river bed? The Missouri Breaks in Montana has similar erosion as well as the side canyons cut from flat prairie lands by the Missouri River. Or more likely, a massive amount of water in a relatively short time.
I remember seeing a picture and being told ‘that story’ and thinking ‘ that little bitty river didn’t do that’ . I’m glad *somebody* investigated !
Its possible the grand canyon is a place where water came out of the earth. There is a large fault line and its theorized that the fault lines are where the water xame forth from
Nope, it’s from a huge lake created after Noah’s flood which drained very rapidly and left behind the landscape we see today
That is impossible for the reasons I explained below. A lot of water in very little time couldn't produce the vertically incised switchback meanders seen in the GC. Those formations only can be eroded by a slow moving meandering river downcutting solid rock over millions of years. Fast flowing water cuts straight channels as seen in the Lake Missoula ice dam floods.
Nope. Water doesn't create Lichtenberg structures. Water follows the path of LEAST resistance. Water didnt carve that. A Gigantic lightning bolt did! That was a classic arc blast! Then water filled in. Think bigger!
Has anyone considered the canyon is the result of rapid glacial melt?
BOTH happened! During the Flood! VERY BIG!!!!!
@@1VFA666 Wrong. The entire plateau was covered in water and the canyon drew it down like a vacuum and spit it out the bottom. It can meander all it wants under those circumstances.
I could sit in class/field trip with Dr. Austin ALL DAY, and it would still go by too fast! And no, the physics/forensics just doesn't match the "theory". Thank you, Sir, and God Bless!
Which theory?
@@therick363 _"Which theory?"_
Why say _"Which theory?"_ to him despite the fact that he made it clear that he does not even consider what he mentioned to be correctly referred to by the word, "theory". Hence, his sneer quotes around the word, "theory".
Clearly, he is talking about you Christ-haters' contra-Bible, false claim that God did not flood the earth in Noah's day.
@@alltimeislikethepresent I asked a clarifying question because I wanted to make sure. I’ve had many people be vague on purpose. I’ve also had a few answer the question because it was a simple and straightforward question to ask.
Why the attitude in your response?
Also, why the assumptions by you about me? I wasn’t rude, why are you being rude?
@@therick363 _"Why the attitude in your response?"_
Why the attitude in your response, hypocrite?
_"Also, why the assumptions by you about me?"_
What "assumptions"?
_"I wasn’t rude, why are you being rude?"_
I'm not being rude. Why are you being rude, hypocrite?
@@alltimeislikethepresent my “attitude” wasn’t even half what you gave me. So not a hypocrite.
The last part of a previous post was assumptions.
I asked a simple clarification to the OP and you’ve given nothing but rudeness.
You can either start over and have an adult mature conversation or not. What will it be?
The river walls are unchanged over 150 years. Time is not the magic maker of things. More time doesn’t equal making something happen that time can’t control
What if they came back in 10,000 years? Might there be a difference then?
@@haggismcbaggis9485 Absolutely!!! Of course that would make a difference.
The problem is, the erosion rate over the last 150 years is very near zero. Multiply 0 by 10,000 and you get 0.
Why don't all rivers do this? Why didn't the Amazon, a river that is MUCH larger than the Colorado, cut a deeper and more impressive gorge?
Or what about the Lena river? Which has the highest flow rate of any river on Earth. It did cut a small gorge. But why is it so much smaller than the Colorado? The tiny Colorado was cutting through one of the hardest rocks (granite). Yet it made the biggest gorge on Earth?
You don't see a problem here?
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable Yes, very near zero is not zero. I do not looking at old photographs is the proper way to take a measurement of erosional rates. One proper estimate is 3 cm per 100 years which would be 3 m after 10K years. Those other rivers likely do not have the tectonic uplift seen in Colorado Plateau.
The "coventional" river is science. Your speculations are not.
No way, no how!
No.
The way to shut down people who say the colorado river cut the grand canyon is to ask them why much bigger rivers like the amazon and mississippi rivers haven't cut squat.
The Amazon and Mississippi both flow through very flat terrain. The rivers don't have a large enough downward energy vector to cut deeply in the vertical direction. Instead they spend most of their energy eroding their banks and meandering. Simple physics.
That isn't a stumper question. It's a silly question. Short answer is that the Colorado is special ... but not Biblical.
The Mississippi has cut enormous amounts. The Mississippi Delta is filled with sediment cut by the Mississippi. And I don't mean the part that sticks out in the Gulf, I mean the entire embayment.
Same for the Amazon. The upper ends of those rivers are still eroding like gangbusters. There are canyons to make you wet yourself. There is even one called The Grand Canyon of the ...
The trick is that the lower ends of rivers are down near sea level, and anything they cut down through immediately becomes a bay. Still, there are places ... Mostly, though, lower rivers erode sideways in big meanders through the soft soil of the flatlands, changing courses regularly.
What makes the Colorado special is that the flat land that it had eroded down level got uplifted in a dome, gradually. The giant looping meanders were captured in their shapes as the river cut downward into the uplifting dome.
That's what makes the Grand Canyon special. It was an odd thing to happen. The Mississippi and the Amazon haven't had domes grow up in their meander deltas.
Your question shows that you tried. But it isn't going to stump a geologist. It may annoy them enough that they won't even try to explain to you, but that doesn't make it a good question.
Nope. The receding flood waters made the G.C.
If the small river formed the canyon, it would be much narrower. The sheer girth of the canyon suggests gargantuan amounts of water over a shorter period. Also a look at it from Google Earth reveals considerable carving away of both sides of the canyon from multiple inlets. That indicates that water covered the entire area and the canyon drew it in like a vacuum.
@@jasminelindros8923 You are trying to compare a drained flood plane to the bottom of the ocean. Try thinking that through a little more
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It occurred swiftly, as we witness today during catastrophic events.
What modern day catastrophic event formed a Grand Canyon?
Mt St Hellens.
@@Sawyersmaple There’s a Grand Canyon in Washington? Who knew.
How does a 150 year old photo refute an old earth model where the canyons were formed slowly over time by the river?
Would they not say 150 years is too short a time to see visible change but millions of years are enough?
Keep it up guys, you are doing great work, knocking down the false narratives of the secular worlds' myths. Now focus on the 'cunningly devised fables' of your own false religion, which has erred for the last 1850-ish years.
The 'falling away' is 'christianity'. They began to divide themselves from the followers of The Way, of which Shaul ('Paul') was a ringleader (Acts 24:5 et al). Scripture is about the Hebrew people, nation and faith which YHWH has defined, assembled and molded into His bride. There. Is. No. Other. If you are truly in covenant with Him, then you are Israel.
The 'church' is a man made construct, originating as a sect of rabbinic judaism, and going off the rails (The Falling Away) after the First Century. This message likely will fall on deaf ears, blind eyes and dull minds (Isaiah 6:9-10, Matt 13:15, Acts 28:25-27, Heb 5:11), yet it must be put forth and may YHWH use it to bring forth fruit.
The Messiah King of Israel Himself tells us to Hear and Obey (Sh'mah) Moses (Torah), but, do NOT do the man made 'rabbinic statutes', because Judah (like Ephraim) puts their own way above The Way.
Matt 23:1 Then spake Yahushua to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Acts 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of יהוה, persuading them concerning Yahushua, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
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John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
These seducers who deceive and bring in 'damnable heresies' (II Peter 2), ie christianity, rabbinic judaism and islam, which covers about half the population of the planet, these are the MANY and definitely NOT the 'few who find the narrow path' (Matt 7:14).
II Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Yahushua the Messiah.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of יהוה, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of יהוה may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Be not deluded into trusting religious mantras, the plain and simple meaning of the Word cannot and will not contradict the deeper meanings, and vice versa.
When our anointed King Yahshua COMMANDS us to hear and obey Moses, He means it literally.
When He stated that the Torah cannot be diminished in the slightest, He means it literally.
He tells us it will stand (in physical creation) until the Heavens and the Earth are renewed. He means it literally.
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These guys haven’t knocked down anything except their credibility.
What “false narratives of the secular worlds myths” are you referring to?
How did they knock them down?
Not in a million years😂
Exactly it was way longer than that it was more like 6 to 5 million years to erode away.
@VisshanVis it was "instaneous". Also hint: the whole structure is sedimentary = waterformed.
Yes the Colorado River downcutting combined with the Colorado Plateau uplifting carved most of the Grand Canyon over the last 15-25 million years. Other earlier rivers formed other parts of the canyon. Geology 101 is not affected by creationist willful ignorance.
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Canyons at Mount St Hellens were created quickly 4 decades ago! Learn about geology!!!
@@christophercoupe5006 Completey wrong. The canyon at MSH has *straight channels* eroded through 50' of soft unconsolidated ash. The Colorado river in the GC has *180 deg. incised switchback meanders* carved through 2 miles of solid rock. The two aren't even remotely similar. Go learn some basic geology yourself.
Did you know pictures, tapestries, pottery and stone carvings of sauropods, stegosaurus and other dinosaurs have been found all over the earth which predate the 1840 dinosaur fossil find?
Did you also know that the magnetic fields rate of deterioration of the planets has been measured and shown that they cannot last millions of years?
Watch - What does soft tissue in dinosaur bones mean for evolution? Dr. Kevin Anderson
Secular scientists are misleading you.
Or watch - Wheres the evolution? Milk to meat production
There are only two possible explanations as to how life arose: Spontaneous generation arising to evolution or a supernatural creative act of God.... There is no other possibility. Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others, but that just leaves us with only one other possibility... that life came as a supernatural act of creation by God, but I can't accept that philosophy because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution. George Wald
To reiterate, Secular scientists are misleading you.
Or consider watching - Origin: Probability of a single protein forming by chance
@@gregoryt8792 Everything you claimed in that rant is creationist propaganda, not real.
We observe the canyon erodes very slowly. That points to it taking a very long time to form.
The canyon was created quickly due to a massive flow from lakes upstream. The same thing happened at Mount St Hellens 4 decades ago.
@@christophercoupe5006 No it didn't. The canyon at MSH has *straight channels* eroded through 50' of soft unconsolidated ash. The Colorado river in the GC has *180 deg. incised switchback meanders* carved through 2 miles of solid rock. The two aren't even remotely similar. Go learn some basic geology.
@@christophercoupe5006 No, the same thing didn’t happen at Mt St Helen’s, which is why there’s no Grand Canyon in Washington
@@christophercoupe5006canyons like the Grand Canyon don’t form how you claim
@@1VFA666 Were you there when it happened? The GC is solid rock now but soil when carved out. This is just on a larger scale than Mt St Helens. Stop making assumptions you can't prove!
BOTH of you fellows are The BESTEST!!!-------hahahahhahahahaha Millions of years, SURE!!!, And the BIG BANG blew everything UP into everything and My dad's an EVOLVED MONKEY from a rock!!!!! hahahhahahah!!! HA!!!
It’s always telling when creationists can’t handle reality.