Mitchell MS470 Is Guitar Centers Brand AND IT IS SMASHING CHEAP AMAZON GUITARS !!!
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In this video we take an in depth look at the Mitchell MS470 Les Paul style guitar!
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I was working for Guitar Center in 1979 when Mitchell guitars first came out. They were built cheap to sell cheap. Not bad for the money, but not as good as Yamaha. Back then it was just acoustics. Wayne Mitchell was the original owner of Guitar Center. There were only 3 stores - Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego. I always enjoy your videos.
My buddy has an old Mitchell acoustic guitar. 1979 was when I was born, so cool they started that year.
Hello from North Carolina. According to Google Mitchell guitars came out in 1986. I could always get a better deal right across the street from Guitar Center at Sam Ash Music!! And I spent thousands of dollars there at Sam Ash too!! Either Sam Ash or another small Mom and Pop's music store named Guru Guitar Shop that handmade their own brands of guitars, wound their own line of pickups, and damn good pickups for a damn good price too. Whenever I was gonna customize any of my guitars and didn't have the time to do it myself I'd always take it to Guru Guitar Shop, plus they always have a lot of vintage guitars and vintage tube amps and pedals for sale too or when I need to have any of my vintage music equipment worked on, Guru Guitar Shop is the best place in or near Raleigh, NC in my opinion to Shop for vintage music equipment or to have vintage equipment worked on by someone trustworthy, and there is one more place called the "Mad Scientist" who does great work on old tube amps, (is there any other kind) but the Mad Scientist is a little more expensive. Guru is owned and operated by 4 musicians who knows what it's like to be a struggling band who's just trying to play their first paying gig!!
Sean, my first guitar was a Mitchell MD100/TR Acoustic from Guitar Center Rancho Cucamonga which is actually Fontana Ca. In 2000. I was comparing those guitars to Martin D15.'s I went through 15 of them. I found a guitar with the😢 bottom brace shimmed because someone dropped it and it had damage at the lower bout. It played insanely perfect. Deep voice. With the shim in place separating the top from bottom I went to the counter and got a custom strap of my choice, a gig bag, 30 picks, an awesome strap, a capo, a stainless slide, and a string winder, and a choice of 2 guitar learning books for $150.00 out the door when I showed them the damage. It's a perfect guitar. It plays perfect in normal tuning but shines when you play it in dropped D. Go big red. I've never fixed it. Never seen a reason to. Perfect Intonation. I cept it in my car for 2 years. Summer and winter, it never warped. Mitchell's Rock.
About 10 years ago, I stopped by Guitar Center to pick up a new mic cable. I went into the acoustic room and started messing around with a Mitchell 12 string. It was marked $119 because it had a blemish on the back. The clerk saw me playing it and told ne he'd sell it to me for $90. So I went in looking for mic cables and walked out with a 12 string. It's a great guitar, especially for the price I got it at.
I have almost the same story.
I have one of there MS450 models and, yep, they’re good. Mine has string through body instead of a stop bar. Gives a loud acoustic sound and great sustain. I didn’t like the pickups, was going to change them but I tried adjusting the height way down first and it totally changed it for the better. I’m keeping them now. I plan on buying one of their acoustic guitars soon I think the bt331, it has a solid top and great reviews. Good video keep ‘em coming,
I have a MS450, love it, love everything about it. IYV did a great job building it.
Picked one of these up for $170 and love it!
The size of the pots has no effect on the quality per se. However, you might assume that small pots on budget guitars coming from China are not the best quality. If they aren't scratchy, move smoothly, and the taper is good for you, why worry about it.
Agreed. The size of the pot doesn't matter. It's the quality of the pot. I think the reason so many think the smaller ones are lower quality is that many tend to be not great. However, that's about quality control, not the size.
Yep, Anderson Guitars use mini pots
Size? No missing point
If you can find them, Sam Ash had a house brand in the early 2000’s called Brownsville guitars. They were manufactured in Korea at the Cort factory and ranged from basic beginner models what was called the New York Pro series. I have a New York Pro LP copy that I picked up used w/ a hard shell case for $140. It quickly became my #1 gigging guitar. That Mitchell there looks very similar sans the headstock.
Yep, made by IYV. They make axes for HB, Wolf, and some other companies, in addition to making guitars under their own label. Basically all Vietnam made guitars are IYV produced. They do custom orders for insanely low prices.
As a person just learning, I really thank you for all you pointers and demos. So many good quality guitars. Rock on Sean and Cathy🎸
That's a great buy! Mitchell is the name of Guitar Center's founder, if I recall correctly. Yes, my OCD was kicking in big time, but we've all removed nuts that way. Have you ever used an ESP Multi Spanner Wrench? They work well for pulling knobs and tightening/loosening the various nuts on a guitar--even the round nut for the switch.
I have a MItchell HD400 and it is one of the best guitars I've ever owned. Put a pair of Dimarzio's in it and its a shred monster! I play this $200 guitar more than my $2,000 ones
Yep 👍 I've got one of the green ones and it's been my go-to guitar since 2018 and the high dollar pretty guitars have mostly been sitting in the case.
The way things cost today, this is important work to let people know there are great quality affordable instruments out there. Keep up the good work.
I got a Mitchell bass guitar when they were on sale for $99. I'm very pleased with it. I played other Mitchells. They played surprisingly well.
I use the MS450. Picked it up on sale for $225. Ridiculous value. Plays like a $600 guitar with minimal adjustments. I absolutely love mine
Nice looking guitar! I have tried several of these at GC and I think they are pretty dam good. I liked their old GC's in-house brand Laguna as well. Don't know why they change the name I wouldn't doubt both brands were made by the same company. I think Laguna only made strat shaped electrics I prefer a LP shape myself but own plenty of strat style guitars. If the price is right I won't pass up a guitar.
10/13/2023 I JUST GOT A MITCHELL HD400 FOR 115 + 35 SHIPPING TOTAL 161.5 MADE IN CHINA 07/03/2017 still had plastic on it , the Floyd Rose was positioned on the lower portion of the rocker studs causing bridge to set too low and too far back causing chipped paint in the bridge pocket 2 places (scared guitar who cares haha), got it playing in 2 hours , i'm happy as crap missing tremolo arm @ amazon +19 total 180.5 , small pots green capacitor , wish they were big pots and a orange drop ,but oh well still happy
Orange drop, nobody knows what it means anymore. Originally, there were patented, copyrighted or trademarked Sprague brand orange drops. As I recall there was a standard 715 model and a finer 716 model. I don't know if Sprague still makes them. I have a pair of 716s as input capacitors in a tube amp I built in 2006. The orange drops these days can be anyting. I presume they are polyester capacitors of undetermined quality dipped in orange plastic, unless you buy a name brand from a quality vendor. Best regards.
Just bought a Mitchell travel size guitar for my preschool grandkid who wants to learn guitar. Mahogany body (likely laminate) with a solid spruce top (!) for just over $100 brand spanking new with a gig bag! Way better than the Sears Roebucks guitar that was my first guitar back in 1972.
Great guitar with high-output, dual-humbucking paraffin-dipped Alnico V pickups that reduce microphonics and unwanted feedback, also come with Graph Tech TUSQ XL reduced-friction nut ,which helps enhance the tuning stability. Probably the best lp copy made for $200
I did not know that IYV was making Mitchells. I ordered an MS450 a few years back and IIRC it was made in China. Gorgeous guitar but the knobs didn't turn or pull up - they were recessed and pressed hard against the wood. Local GuitarCenter manager thought it had been dropped, although the finish was perfect (though if it were dropped while in the bag it maybe could have bent the shafts without marring the wood.) Kinda soured me on the brand so I returned it and bought a Gretsch instead. It was also sold as new but was clearly an open box return as the shipping bag was shredded and there was no warranty card, Allen wrenches, etc. Although that's a common GuitarCenter thing, not a Mitchell thing. I may have to try another - I love my IYV guitars and I'm trying to avoid as many made in China products as possible. Anything I can buy made in Indonesia, Vietnam, or South Korea is a great alternative to Chinese made. And in fairness, the finish was gorgeous, the binding was superb, the tuners were smooth, and the frets were smooth, level, well-polished and end filed. Yours sounds great.
"the OCD kicking in?" lol.
I bought an MM100 for 99 bucks and flipped out the humbuckers for 16. Thank you for pointing me towards these guitars! They're great!
Nice guitar and good review. Thanks for the heads up, got to get one.
I've got a Mitchell MD300 (the "strat" version) and its a phenomenal guitar...
Take care Sean and Cathy, I always learn something when I come here.
Its nice to see Sean get a good one
I have one. It is a red one. I like it.
Good deal and great that can check them out in person at GC instead of gambling on what will arrive at your door from the overseas shipping
also have a Mitchell 470 , and a 200
That's a nice $250 guitar. It even has shielding in the Electronics cavity. I like those locking tuners.
I bought a 12 string Mitchell acoustic from GC years ago for 90 bucks used. They sell I think for about $350 new. It is a great sounding well built guitar, that I would put against any 12 string, even Martin. You don't have to take my word for it, go play one and see for yourself. Now the one I bought is about 8 or 10 years old, if that makes a difference.
Sean, I would be very surprised to find that you are wrong about IYV being the maker of Guitar Center's Mitchell electrics. You're almost certainly right. Not only does IYV do a lot of this sort of business, but I own 2 Donners built by that company -- and the typeface on those guitars' serial numbers and other print looks a lot like what we see on your Mitchell. My main question about that Mitchell is whether it has a real maple top or not. I have one guitar with wood recipe like a very old Gibson Les Paul Custom, with the all-mahogany body, and another with a maple neck along with a maple-topped mahogany body, both set necks. That's a close to a Les Paul as I've gotten in my life. I love those axes, but I wouldn't mind something with a Les Paul wood recipe. Would that MS470 answer that mail?
Man it sounds great and pretty too. Thanks guys and take care.
T-O-Matic means "Tune-o-matic-but-please-don't-sue-us-Gibson"
I have my citron I paid $200 for 3 weeks ago and all I did was a mag swap to a a8 in the bridge and that's it. The 470 is not hist a Amazon guitar killer but a Epi LP killer also.
I've been so impressed by these guitars that I just bought a 2nd one. I continue to be blown away by them.
That is a beautiful Guitar. Sounds pretty good too
I like the head stock design better than Gibson's because it keeps the strings straight into the nut. It's a pretty guitar. I'd like to snag one of those, but they are $400 at my local guitar center. If CG is trying to copy what Thomann is doing with Harley Benton, they are pricing them all wrong.
As an aside, I'd like to see you try to speak into the pickups on these cheap guitars to see how microphonic they are. Some of the pickups you've pulled out of these inexpensive guitars had telltale evidence of wax potting, but I'd still like to know if they are microphonic. Plug 'em in and shout into the pickups!
Electrically there is no difference in the dime sized pots vs the full sized CTS style pots. The full sized ones are higher quality, made with more substantial components, smoother, last longer, and just feel better when you roll them. There is no difference electrically, which means there is no difference in the way they sound.
Hey friend. You can still snag the 200 dollar ones online, but be aware that they are B stock. Mine has a few finish flaws in the top finish, binding, and veneer, but who cares. The 400 dollar ones are just what they're actually shipping out to stores
10 facing the screw is a great tip, Thanks Sean
Their house brand WAS Laguna. I have one that's a PRS style with 24 fret. Don't know how much it originally cost. Got mine used for Christmas.
Oh I didn’t know that. My best friend in high school gave me a Laguna for my 18th birthday, but it was stolen years later. I was always curious about the brand as it was very hard to find info on. Thanks for this.
Lists for $399.99 or restock version for &199.99 at Guitar Center same at Musicians Friend.
That rear cavity looks like a coffin
I want one! Always enjoy your reviews!!
Hey all! I’ve been so excited to see this video. Mitchell generally has a split reputation. Some people say they’re garbage, others say they’re a treasure. My guess is that it depends when they were manufactured?
(Maybe you need to try a few more out so we can feel more confident, lol. 😂 😉)
Btw, have you thought of sending an email to IYV to ask if the he manufacture Mitchell Guitars? They may be happy to give you an answer if they’re proud of their work!
I have the Ms450. Great guitar. I put a Gibson 57 plus in the neck and a Seymour Duncan 59 in the neck 👍🏽 routing the wiring was a pain in the butt tho 😂
Great video. What about a Harley Benton SC 550 II PAF for $215.00 ?
Tempting
Man, and I was looking to get a Censtar or Grote LP. Now we've got the Mitchell as an option. I'm seeing that MF/GC has just lowered the MS470 to $199.99 per their website (edit: just noticed that this would be for "restocks"). Too many choices...
But, with Guitar Center you can try it out before buying (provided you go to a brick and mortar store rather than buying online). That's a plus for the Mitchell.
@@MisterJWJ71 Very true. To make a case on the other side, online purchases have a degree of anonymity that makes it a lot easier to return a guitar if it just doesn't make your cut. One can fully evaluate a guitar for the return period - 30 days with Amazon - before making a decision. The guitar can be played with your own amp, pedals, and in an environment that is safe and non-judgmental.
@@TechnoRiff
That's true and most online retailers have a similar test period where you can return things. I'm not against buying online but, I think if you can try it before buying you're more likely to be satisfied with the purchase. Though I do understand your point of trying it at home with your own rig. In the end it's a matter of personal preference.
@@MisterJWJ71 Yes - to each their own!
Sounds like Guitar Center is treating you better, not a bad deal for a sweet guitar.
Just grabbed one of these. Beware of the tuners. They are not actually locking tuners in the traditional sense, you have to wind the strings around the posts in order to get the correct break angle over the nut. I found out the hard way after trying to bring down the nut slots and finding that the string was not going any lower. The tuner was too tall and the string was floating in the slot( slot was wide enough to accommodate string width).
Sounded good Sean 😎
I just bought this same guitar on sale for $199 great guitar .
I bought their acoustic beginner package, and the guitar was amazing. I saw the Widow for 250.00 and took the chance. I definitely hit the lottery, even though the UPS driver was an asshole, but ain't that life.
That Mitchell 470 sounds great, are you putting.09s on it? I use.09 s and had to tune down to E flat. I like Humbuckers without the chrome covers, even the Dirty Fingers Zebra pickups.
Pretty much exactly the same as the Harley Benton SC-Custom II. Only the headstock looks a bit different.
I had a Mitchell acoustic and absolutely loved it! I was blown away by the sound.
Had no idea guitar center had a house brand...learn something new every day lol even at 34
I wanted the HD400 can't find one for the cheap prices I used to on Ebay. I ended up with a HSH set of pups for one for around 30.. I'm going to use them for a DIY project later on.
Maybe next visit, if you're allowed after that gift, you can collect the kid...go to a music store with a budget...and let them select. Starwipe..."The More You Know"...
I had a short-scale strat from them that was pretty crap, but I like my short-scale PJ bass. Like the headstock on it, it's similar and has the same logo design.
There is a small version of the MS series at GC (their brand) and when I spot them for sale very cheap, I know what it is. Same for Brownsville and Oscar Schmidt at SamAsh stores
I like the middle position.
hey there, my friend
I have the MS450 and it's better than any Epiphone I've ever played. Very solid guitar. Right up there with my Michael Kelly.
Hey Sean what strings do you use when you teplace the old ones? Also are those Chinese strings on temu any good? Thanks
I have a TD400 and its an awesome strat.
Mine arrived last Friday. Flipping amazing guitar for the price. Nothing's better in this price range ... not FF, not HB, not Grote, not IYV.
I'm not positive but I think there made at coretech.
It's not solid mahogany. But after installing seymore duncan humbuckers, new dunlop pots witchcraft 3way switch. A roller bridge from Germany for tuning and intonation stability. And last but not least a perfectly cut nut from a ventura acoustic from the 80s. Basically the original electronics are crap. They can't make money if they put good stuff in. The reason I bought the Mitchell is it's a les paul shaped guitar half the weight of a les paul. It's much thinner than a Gibson. My Mitchell intonates perfectly therefore it tunes very nice. And stays tuned. Killer pickups and wiring good pots is one thing. But all that is worthless if your guitar won't tune properly.
I have an HD400 and am pretty happy with it.
That's not a broken switch ... that's a "low profile" switch ;)
Lucky man! You make me smile every time I watch your blog. Good work. Can't wait to hear about the guitars you ordered and will sell in december - january. Wil I be a lucky buyer? Hope so!... ;)
Alright Bro. I've resisted this brand as a recommendation to students for a while now. Since we're home boys and all....(I'm from Deltona, Graduated from Lake Mary a thousand years ago) I'm gonna give one o' these here monsters a try. I'll trust a persons word easier when they're close to home. Usually have similar upbringing. I'll let ya know how it works out for me.
looks similar to the headstock shape on my IYV neckthrough..
Now that's a 250$ lesser Paul.....nice
Dude you could sell me on a 2x4 with strings! Love it!
Love your vids bro , totally agree on the knobs. I'm OCD as well and those knobs were horrible. Usually that's the first thing I change if I don't like the ones that came with a guitar , I have a whole parts box full of knobs , switches tail pieces etc. Anyway keep the content coming ✌️🤘
I just got another Xaviere (XV-500). It's a bit more expensive than the Mitchell ($300), but it's very nice.
Also, I'd argue that there's no discernible difference between a dime size pot and a normal (quarter sized) pot, at least for guitars. They both spin about 300 degrees, so dialing them in better has more to do with the knob size than the pots. Electrically, the larger pots can handle more current, which is important because resistors can actually change their resistance if they get too hot (too much current), but there's no real current running through a guitar anyway. Just like capacitors...not much difference at all.
Just a question, how are the coil splits on that guitar? I've heard demos of them and they sounded pretty strat like, the only one that I've heard like that
@@manny7289 So I just tested this against my Mexican Strat, and the coil splits are no replacement for a single coil. The bridge coil split sounds pretty close to the Stratocaster, but the neck pick up is like night and day. The Xaviere is smooth and sounds good but it's a little lifeless compared to the Strat. It has that same, chimey sound but less treble and more bass. In fact, that's my biggest gripe about these pickups...too much bass.
I kept the settings the same for both for a fair comparison, so it could just be the Strat neck pickup is higher output and driving the amp more. Could just be my pickups though, because I noticed quite a bit of feedback on high gain, or even the pickup height or pole heights since I've modified them from factory. Overall, they're good, but not perfect.
@@nychold Wow thank you for getting back to me. That's what my thoughts on coil splits are at this point
Well, GC must have got a lot of interest since this recording, it's $399.99 and $299.99 used up in the Midwest.
Does IYV stand for IN Your Vehicle so you always have a backup for emergencies? Lol
You are always good to watch, when you made a " Monkey '' remark your wife was funny how she swung a neck or something at you.
Love my Mitchell 470. Plays great
Around how much does it weight? Ordered one and the ups order says the package is 12 pounds. I remember the older versions not weighing anywhere close to that
@@manny7289 not sure about the weight. It’s lighter than my epiphone sg if that helps?
@@darthtater4655 it's something lol. Thank you
I couldn't tell from the pickups cavities whether it is a veneer or sold cap top. Which is it? Not that it really matters for the price...
That's a awesome guitar
Tons O fun - matic
Mitchell can make fine instruments. I have a one of the higher-end double cuts - the one with the flame and the abalone inlays - and it certainly stands with anything comparable from, say, Schecter or Charvel. I've had less positive experiences with the cheaper ones - mainly QC issues, but probably nothing you couldn't fix. Definitely a slept-on brand for sure.
The pick-up select switch looks like it's in a weird spot off-center?
very good detailed video, sir ;-)
My buddies have told me they love theirs. This MS 400 or 450 ?? like this one. Usually have the different fret marker but this is killer man. Awesome video.
I feel like you & I might be related 3:)
Man, looks wise, I cant tell the difference from my PRS.
The ms400 my les Paul killer
I have the ms 450 and for the price I was surprised on the value
If you haven't checked them out yet, Tario!
What's the weight of the guitar?
You saved me $$from buying Amazon guitar and then paying grouchy guitar center tech $$ for fixing it.
got a Mitchell MD200 for my son. Hoping it would be an upgrade from his Squire starter guitar that came in the pack. What a POS! the neck pickup would cut out intermittently, the push/pull knob you had to use channel locks to pull out. action was so high you could push a Great Dane through. Went back to get him a visit a few weeks later and his mom said he had used the guitar as firewood in the fireplace....
Sean, do you think that is a true coil tap or a coil split?
To my ear it didn't sound quite as thin as a single coil so maybe it is tapped.
I used to have an Ibanez Roadstar back in the early '80s that had DiMarzio true-tapped humbuckers in it and they were some of the best sounding pickups I have had but in those days I had to trade in old equipment when I bought something new.
I dont own this particular model, but the model previous; it isn't a true coil tap, it's just a coil split. Takes off a lot of low end and a bit of treble, but aside from that there's not a huge tonal difference. It's very noticeable clean, but once it's distorted you can't hear any difference even if the coil is split.
I thought tapping and splitting are 2 totally different things. Coil split is making a humbucker to a strat like single coil. Tapping is the way you wound the pickups and cut and tap the wire and wound again. People tend to get that completely wrong. Imo.
I just ordered one of these lol.
Thank you.
The only thing i dont like about this mitchell is that the three way switch is in the wrong place. It isnt centered on the bout. Its too high, and too far back.
Better this then design with 3 way switch on the other side and too low so one can only play a small section when strumming.
The switch looks wrong because the upper bout starts at the 14th not the 15th fret. No one notices this. The upper bout is one fret taller than a Les Paul and as a result the neck heel and join is higher too.