A Guitar Builder Looks at a Chinese made FAKE Gibson Supreme Chibson Guitar
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In this video, Ben www.crimsonguitars.com looks at yet another faked Gibson guitar, this time a 2005 Gibson supreme. These fake Gibson guitars, known as Chibson's, are getting better and better in quality and Ben shows you the most obvious things to look out for. The guitar even has faked Grover tuners and cheap Epiphone pickups.. for a while Ben believed 'someone on the internet who said that the F on the pickup meant 'fail' and it was a reject Epiphone pickup but he has been put right and edited out the offending footage.
The fake guitar throws up a few surprises but in the end, it is the moral question that owning one throws up that is the focus.. could it be that Gibson themselves are complicit? You decide!
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:52 First thing wrong - bridge and tailpiece not Gibson but Epiphone
2:20 Look at that centreline!
2:55 Also look out for the control knobs
3:18 Truss rod cover and inlays come next. Cheap frets.
4:38 Poor finish and broken switch
6:40 Incorrect binding
7:30 Tuners - not Grovers!
10:09 Check the truss rod
11:12 Pick-ups and backplate. Check the wiring as well.
12:15 Solid wood or veneer?
14:37 It is fake but the serial number is the correct Gibson model and year
16:00 Conclusion
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If you drop it slightly and the neck breaks off then it means it’s real
Yeah, that's the way they test them.
Hehehehehe👍
Lol
Then iets real broken
Hardly.
Workers in China watching, taking notes for the correction of the next batch
They don't need to - they're made quick and cheap, and they have enough dumb customers to keep them in business.
@@andytraverse who’s really the dumb ones here, the people who spend 3k plus on a guitar, or the guy who can buy one that looks identical for 300
@@andytraverse
I'm looking to buy the Elvis Gibson for display only
My Chibson from 5 years ago is going strong Spent one year in storage just got it back. Needed new strings. Nothing fallen off, twisted or broken.!
i actually bought one of these specifically to smash on stage at a big show i was part of. BUT, out of the box, i couldnt bring myself to destroy it. it played beautifully, it sounds devine and i cant fault it. never loses tune, was even intonated strait outa the box. the finish was superb, action was perfect. in a blind test with 3 other guitarists from other bands, it was hands down a better sound than my actual gibson lp. i still use it and i did once think about re stickering it, but i decided to proudly play my $230 chibson. its still my fav guitar outa my 2 expensive gibsons and 2 strats. ive looked for one since but cant find a website anymore here in australia for another chibo. (also bought a $130 fake strat called econau from ebay years ago with amp, stand and accessories, also a very nice guitar once i set the action on the bridge, litterally 10 minutes work) theres so much to be said about cheap guitars, i feel a bit ripped off paying 5 grand for my les paul. i love the LP and strats, dont get me wrong, but i feel the world has been bamboozled by fender and gibson.
@@ULTIMATEPATCHES had it 10+ years, spent less on it than my fenders. cant really say the components have failed yet. but have replaced 2 tuners and 2 tone knobs on a strat that is half the age of the cheapy. i doubt ya can seriously say the cheapies are bad value for any reason. considering all fender parts are chinese. bith my cheapies are still 100% as bought and still perfect. if youre putting them down without owning one, then youre an overpaid brand warrior who only uses high end stuff even if its inferior. and i gotta say, fender seems quite inferior to the 100 buck guitars.
between the voice and the head tattoos, I imagine your shop is located in a lair underneath a volcano
Good thing he is a luththier. Imagine showing up at job interview with head tattoo. (Sorry no offense 😂)
Or Hastings!
You should have had little Rabbits tattooed all over your head.
From a distance they can be mistaken for Hares.
*slow clap*
Not last time I looked. And it didn't sting when I had a piss.
I had a delayed laugh when I finally got it. lol
Hilarious!
Then he can join the Hare Club for Men along with Randy and Stan Marsh .
The voice does not match the head tattoos 😂
Menacingly Posh 😁
Shaun W
He sounds like he should be wearing a tweed smoking jacket talking about classic cigars
He looks and sounds like Rob Halford, so it seems to be a good match to me.
@@Kjca_1998 LOL , exactly !
That was a dare project.
One way you can tell it's not a real Gibson is that the headstock isn't broken off.
LMAO!!!!!!
Lmfao burn burn😁
The Rogue Tomato 😂🤣🤣
It's not hard to keep a Les Paul in good condition. Just look after your guitar and you won't have an issue
Yet.
>goes bald
"I see a canvas here."
You really redeemed yourself at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.
Very funny!
Ha! He was!!!
Hilarious!!!
Bahahaha! You sir win the internet today.
If Skurge went "shaky cam" on some asses, maybe he'd have lived.
plot twist: that's a real gibson
Marcos Pintor now that would be a heck of a plot twist 😄
Not really a plot twist. A lot “high end” manufacturers are going way cheaper than they should, while some new comers are getting better quality and quality control while still being cheaper than the “high end” brands.
LOL, good one, ironic
I really wonder.... it would be interesting to try and chase down the distribution chain from the seller of this one to the manufacturer and see if you end up at a Gibson factory.
And the calls - they're coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!
Plot twist: It really is a Gibson.
Would anyone be surprised?
For $230, I'd buy a Gibson.
*(Lots of people misunderstanding my comment. That was my way of saying I don't like the sound of Gibson guitars, and wouldn't pay much for one if I were ever interested. They sound a bit harsh or unpleasant to my ear. Let the Gibson fan-boy flaming begin.)*
13:33 changes his story , has a real flame maple top! He better get some more ugly skull tats
Gibson makes great guitars!!!! I have a slew of them..
@@jimr5703 I'll see your $230 and go to $200.
To my eye, that's not a solid flamed maple top...look at the side of the pickup hole around 14:00 and see if you can also spot the laminate. Great video, though, thanks!
cheap Les Paul copies were often made this way back in the '70's, Ibanez being one company who resorted to it, though some were non-laminated, glued-in neck jobs that were awfully good.
I can imagine him drunk sounds like captain Jack sparrow 😂😂
This was a totally awesome video. I appreciate you showing us how to spot a fake. Absolutely enjoyed the way you went through everything and pointed out the flaws. I am amazed at the solid maple in this fake. Thanks again for sharing.
If you need to go through all that to spot a fake Gibson,then maybe you should just take a guitar player with you next time to the store... 😳
CaSayVopWochoot4faks!
It was fun to watch you take the guitar apart. Actually I have seen real Gibson's with worse finish blems and binding issues. Overall a good time.
GuiTar
the kerning in the "Grover" machine heads are a classic example of : it would have been the same price to make it nice! While much of Gibson copying is all about materials and saving costs, this video highlights the fact that the copy houses have been garnering luthier skills and experience over the last few decades and that even with cheaper materials a fine instrument can be had delivered in a hard case for little cost.
Ahhh soooo! I am Chinese thank you for point out all mistates we fix all those in next run and you no tell differencts
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Zone47
Can you fix my motorcycle its a Wooflungdung 125cc?
@@g4joe I just sent you a to0b of superglue! That is all you need.
Boo
Ahhh thats what you are a shameless pig who knows nothing but copy. So yes you go do what you do best fucktard.
Some terminated epiphone employees must have got together and decided to start a company.
or its rejects from along the line, made to counterfiets to recoup the loss (thus the flaws) , or student guitars where they found a way to resell them and recoup costs, (thus the flaws)
Apparently you haven't played a NEW Epi....they are knockin out some pretty damn nice instruments these days....
8:36 - The distance or spacing between letters is called "kerning".
From a former phototypositor.
Adjustments between letter pairs is kerning - broadly though the right term is letterspacing or, synonymously, tracking.
Surely, the spacing between letters is the kern, and kerning is the verb for refining that spacing !
not Mother of phototypositor ?
A kernel is a bit of corn, if that helps...
@@thetessellater9163 Not necessarily: "plating" is both the verb and the metal that has been plated onto the base metal.
I feel like you forgot about the most important thing... The sound and how it plays.
I imagine fixing the orientation of the bridge, replacing the tuners, and checking the setup would be a good start. I suspect with the original tuners it'd sound pretty awful.
The mis-alignment of the bridge actually occurred in some of the original" '59 holy-grail" guitars.
That is not the most important thing at all. The fact is it was sold deceptively as something that it is not. Dishonesty is dishonesty no matter how you slice it. If you can't sell something on its own merit then you are a crook. Love or hate Gibson, this is a blow up doll.
Not going to play very well with frets that feel like sandpaper
You look kinda intimidating with your head tattoos and shaved head, but then you start talking and have a voice of a true gentleman that has dedicated his life to making others feel welcome and safe in his presence
Shame on me and my prejudices
Judging voices is still a prejudice
"...often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavourable, judgments toward people or a person because of their..."
Private school meets biker!
BAU agent here
He's a freak. An educated freak, but still a freak. Keep him away from dogs and children.
“For the inlay they used mother of toilet seat!” 😂😂😂 I just cracked up laughing! That’s awesome!
And he said Gibson was the same
I'm gonna steal that line 🤣
I'd love to see a video on real vs. fake Rickenbacker basses. I know of several people who thought they were buying the real thing only to wind up with a cheap copy - that they paid a lot of money for. I couldn't tell just by looking at it them that they were fakes - which is scary!
Inside is a note that says- help I'm being held prisoner in the basement of the Epiphone factory!
This! B
At the end of the day it all comes down to the feel, playability and sound of the guitar. I came across Chibson last year and it felt really good and sounded very similar to a REAL Gibson. Yes these fakes are just wrong, but on a pure value for money level they are much better value than Gibson (most of the time).
You can tell plainly on the right side of the pickup cavity its a veneer. Also, the neck binding doesnt have fret knibs. The angle of the headstock. Dead give away. Actually nitro finish?
@@nicholasdufek8944 Yes, I'm surprised he didn't mention the fret nibs. I'm pretty sure these fakes don't have nitro finishes.
There are much better guitars than this one on the market. Strange that you don't see any videos about them.
Great review Sir, do you have any information about the fret board? Is it engineered wood?
@@markcheetah4960 I was pretty sure I saw stain bleed in the pick up hole. So I think you're right. Good eye
letter spacing is Kerning, not kerfing. kerfs are cuts in a stick that allow it to bend. They use those to support acoustic tops.
Kerf is the width of the cut.
Casting about for a new violin and case, several years ago I caved to cheap and new.....and was astonished at the delivery of a quality sounding instrument. A minor flaw in the case....and I had to search around for a decent bow. But where, the playability, the finish, the wood construction was simply superb. And, I am happy, very happy with a full, rich sound quality.
Placing that curious well comprised finding as a match up to Gibson knock off, well, not in the same realm. Where, as a perhaps 1954 Gibson mandolin, or a 64 hollow body...demonstrate a mastery of craft...as tone and build quality...remarkable to stringed instrument. Sheer demand, perhaps driving the new devices as rip off and shoddy quality where good and superb quality had gone before, anchored the brand to a best everything at price.
Watching this post....I found myself breaking into laughter....as where I view a craftsman...with every pride in fitment and skill spotted sham components, slap dash alignments and just semi likeness to finished composites. Each finding delivered with a warning, as somewhere just ahead.....real scam potential exists and will strike the unwary, the would be collector with deficit in identifiiers.
Such troublesome rip off avenues.....sadly...too common...too close in trademark...to often seized
and where exist only to fraud and malfeasance. Alas.
Thank you for the post...as I am now armed to roam my world, at once full in the craft led inspection
as would be ghost in the gibson shell proved pseuo crab plastic where oyster shell exists to light reflection. M.
Been buying lots of "cheap" foreign guitars, very impressed for the most part, and just recently got my first "Chibson" which, you guessed it, could have "fooled me", so very much appreciate this. First time I've seen the pickup wiring without a back plate. Would have been nice to hear a sound sample. What did you think of the multi-layer binding? Cheers!
Mother of toilet seats....
Art Thompson's been using that one for YEARS...
JopesTV
You don't say.
Tuonelan Joutsen My mistake...it was Teisco Del Ray (I think his real name is Dan Forte) who first said it, reviewing 'el cheapo' guitars in Musician magazine in the early 80's. He later had a column in Guitar Player, then went on to the editorial staff. Art followed, as a column writer for off the wall guitars, then as a editorial staff member.
Laughs in rock -n- roll.
You're all wrong. I know genuine mother of bowling ball when I see it.
I don't think the F stamp on the pickup means that it's failed. The neck pickup on my epiphone is also stamped with an F and the bridge has an R stamped on it. Unless epiphone sells their guitars with failed pickups the F can't be for "Failed", I think it stands for Front and Rear.
some manufacturers do, but they also label them B and N for Bridge and Neck. Ive definately got a few with F stamped on them (including a Dimarzio from the 80s)
Also, dont some of them use F for F spaced?
Jeff Barber
"F" on chinese neck pickup means "Front". Bridge stamped as "R" - "Rear"
badagon i swapped epiphone pickups recently. your are right.
F = front R = rear.
I changed pickups to our singer's Epi SG and it had the same F stamped on the neck pickup too. And R on bridge pickup.
I believe you, but it's quite a coincidence, considering that the designation is likely put on the pickup for the convenience of the factory worker. Does the Chinese word for "front" also begin with an 'F'?
A decent review. That being said, I've never met a craftsman who wasn't critical of another's work. It's like you getting the plumber in, and he says, "Who did this then?"
This was so stressful watching and checking the flaws against my LP. I think mine is real.
Oh yeah, the world can ow go on because you have a real Les Paul. I hope you're precious Less Paul gets stolen from you and you never get it back. I'd punch you in the throat if I could.
I don't know why it bothered me so badly when he was chiseling away at the wood. Just wanted to yell "stop it!!!!"
You can see that he chipped the finish off the top between the neck and the pickup rout. He shaved too many times when it was already clear it was a maple top. The owner may have given permission but I doubt he wanted him to chip the finish off the top!
Axe Slinger I’m just not seeing that, wherever you’re looking. The pickup trim ring buts right up to the neck anyway. It would have to otherwise the crappy stain job would be evident. 😆 Now, when he started in on the *other* side...
It was clearly a veneer, if you look at the side of the pickup hole. He wouldn't have seen it from where he was standing, but you can tell a 1/16 line.
That killed me too!
Curtis Brayfield Yes, I saw that too.
There are a tone of chibson videos out now. Has anyone realized that videos breaking them down is the same as posting a training video for them?
Good point. Let's not help anybody get BETTER at this.
True, but if people put out enough of these videos, maybe someday the Chibsons will be even better than Gibsons lol
@@joshs.5384 someday? They basically already are. A real supreme is better than this. But this compsred to a real standard. This is almost as good. Change hardware and put some wolftone or lollar pickups and boom. And im a gibson guy till death do us part. But damn. They are killing me
i brought that point up on a Gibson Les Paul page and they pretty much laughed me out of it. i'm glad someone else thinks this way.
IMO you can give them all the info you want. It still costs money to do things the right way.
Great tip on wrong way around bridge / tuneomatic thing. I recently got a Burny LS55 having only owned Strats, Tele or bass.
I was trying to adjust the intonation with screw heads facing the headstock.
Looks like I will have to turn it around - makes more sense. I have to say the tuners on my Burny are Gotoh ? Seem to be super.
Ah-ha...sank you mister...we fix these things for our next run of fake Gibsons...I tell boss-man what we must fix. lol
KJS Stewart (OMG 😂😂😂😂😂)!!!
Hahahahaha
It’s 2020, and I just got my first Chibson, a 59 custom black beauty. It’s gorgeous, and I found only one QC issue. A small sliver on the fretboard, only a small flaw that’s hard to see, and doesn’t effect play. The truss rod is wrong, but it’s a two way, and works as well. I have a crappy little amp at the house, and it sounds fine for my home use. I’ve been playing for a while, and this is a quality guitar.
Lmao
Nahh, they wont, it'd take too much time and trouble to all that, besides, they'd have to charge more for it.
It's amazing how some tattoos go out of fashion so quickly.
This dude takes bad tattoos to another level.
I actually spent most of the video drooling over your lovely tool kit. I'm a retired cabinetmaker.
I have a serious weakness for tools.. I also own www.vintagetoolshop.com just so I can get more for my own collection! B
Polishig my Epiphone Black Beauty 3 and have stumbled upon this gentlemans video. This is the second Black Beauty 3 I've had (Bought new) and the more I hear this guy talk away in my living room, the more I realise the 1st BB3 I loved, Cherished and wore round my neck as a teenager 18years ago....Was a fake!! The gold wear on the pick ups was faded silver, The "les paul" name wasn't present on the headstock and the knobs pulled right off. When changing between Rytham/Treble it made a "Uurrgggg!" noise. Maybe ignorance is bliss as a teenager.
Anyhow thank you well spoken tattooed guitar Man! Got my guitar, Bottle of Broon and yourself educating me on the screen. Happy Sunday.
I must've gotten really lucky. I bought a Gibson LP Furure Tribute new from a Musicians Friend blowout sale for $500 bucks and it's pretty much flawless.
slash become famous with a fake gibson... now gibson make a copy of a copy
Slash's guitar wasn't a "Fake" - it was/is a ghost-built Gibson (private builder with Gibson's blessing).
Hahaha. You funny boy.
Slash is a multi millionaire and wouldn't buy a Chibson his guitars are custom built to his secs for sure could you see him playing a concert with a hundred dollar guitar ?
Perry Singer, The poster of this thread means that when Slash was starting out (and would have been a broke struggling artist) he played a fake LP.
Zappa used a sg copy too
The fact that the control knobs sort of "slant in" doesn't necessarily mean that it's a fake Gibson. Even on genuine Gibsons, the knob positions tend to differ slightly, depending on what the guy drilling the holes did the night before...
it will not pass the inspection then..you really think they would sell a guitar with different holes
Them Gibson holes are drilled with a gang drill .
Just like the Gretsches from the 1950s. Quality wasn't consistant, but they sound good all the same.
Also worth mentioning is the stop tail piece is closer together on Gibsons. That one looks far to apart. It’s actually the first thing I noticed.
You would make the ultimate movie villain.
+liam clemson thank you :)
XD PLEASE QUIT YOUR JOB AND GET ONE MORE YOUR LEVEL OF APTITUDE. LIKE WASHING HOTWHEELS CARS. you aren't capable of washing real cars. stick to your toys cause you are going to fucking ruin all sorts of people's gear/
I total agree 😊 I imagine Ben stroking a white cat and saying: “So, Mr Bond, you want me to build you a guitar, mawawawa?!
Liam CM I
@Toney Bartlett ...good for me...bad for you.
Well done on the break down of the details exposing this as a knock off, interesting that some of the early knock off Gibson brands like Lotus probably had better hardware on them.
"I'm not an expert on Gibson..."
*Demonstrates the sharp eye for detail and the knowledge of a Gibson expert.*
Thank you for the info on the tune o matic bridge being turned around backwards ! I just recently purchased a Schecter LP style guitar (made in China) for much the same purpose as your friend & I noticed that the adjustment screws on the bridge were awkwardly in the front of the bridge & thought "man it's gonna be difficult to make intonation adjustments the way those screws are facing!" LOL Having never really owned a guitar with a tune o matic bridge I was unsure if that was the way the all were but somehow it just seemed wrong !!! LOL thanks again , Ben !! Great episode , as always !!
That's not necessarily true; they can face either way. Check any of the online retailers for comparison.
The largest European reseller , Thomann, does not sell Gibson Guitars anymore. Due to quality prolems. LOL.
I hadn't heard that! This is seriously bad news for the company that used to be the best in the business, so so sad!
+Carl Valentin Is that why?? Wow wtf gibson ever heard of quality control. Was wondering cos I was actually checking how much a LP went for recently and noticed there was just no gibsons. I've head good things about their Harley benton LP copys though
+Pauly Mack Thomann sold a lot of custom-guitars specially made for them by gibson, called "faded","tribute" ...
These "original" gibsons went for 500-700 bucks and had poor qualty. European Ebay is full of these guitars. Gibsons-prices for standards and custom-shops may have helped to end their cooperation. And Zero-frets and electric tuners are not everbodys taste of guitars. They try to fill this segment wit Tokai, Düsenberg, PRS I think.
+Pauly Mack Harley-Benton is low-price made in china. Quality comparable to Epiphone.
+Carl Valentin I've just bought a Tokia Love Rock from Thomann just yesterday. I've also got a Tokai Breezy Sound Telecaster copy. This plays better and sounds nicer than all the Fender Telecasters I've had in the past. Hope the Love Rock Les Paul is as good.
pretty sure, F is Front pickup :)
Ive got a 59' Les Paul re-issue fake aka " Chibson ". Beautiful fit and finish, as good or better than many of the real " Gibson" I've played. Paid $ 300 including Gibson labeled hard shell case. Replaced the tuners, added a pair of Seymour Duncan Saturday Night Specials wired with Emerson pots to 50's specs. Killer sound and looks with less than $ 600.00 invested.
Fender started all this in the 70s. They got Uncle Mat to make their guitars cheaper than was possible in the US. When they actually figured out the damage this would do to the brand, they renamed the US/Euro market ones 'Squier'. But the cat was out of the bag.
It's very interesting to hear the Devil talk about guitars
lifewithjesse 😂😂😂😂😂
@marlene riggs Calm down, Marlene.
marlene is feeling kinda angsty.. Lel
Satan!
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But how does it sound!?
Right. That's the main criteria I used for the last guitar I bought. Of course the tuners and string distance from the frets had to be right. I ended up buying a high end Garrison over a low end Gibson. I just liked the feel and sound of the thing.
It can't sound too good with shit on backwards and misaligned.
@@Jeff-ik9zj those fake Gibson's are not made in Epiphone Factory nor are they made with Epiphone parts and any of them stamped with Epiphone on the back of the pickups are counterfeit it's just like the counterfeit Grover tuners.
Idead you do not know Gibsons. Easiest way to say it is not Gibson is that neck binding does not go around fret edges...
@@ivanrohal7489 Really??? Have a look at 2015 model year.
Great video. I learned alot from you. Thanks for sharing your skills. Also learned somethings I would not have even checked like tuners being loose.
"A lot" is two words, not one.
@@QS-si3cq oh your panties bunch up! Get triggered did you! What gender are you today! Peanut butter is my guess....
Really cool video. Def. going down a rabbit hole, can’t wait to see the other luthier videos.
When Hannibal Lector finishes a stint as a touring member for Biohazard
I have 3 Chinese copies, and they're absolutely great. I have 2 friends that work as guitar techs (for decades), and they have both told me that the Epiphone and Squire brands are now far better quality than the over-priced "lesser" brands.
I'm sorry to say it, but Gibson and Fender are pricing themselves out of the market.
Patriot 4ever indeed so. I've built my own guitars from scratch. And they do cost a lot less. My home made tele costed me $120 bucks w all the electronics, pickups, tuners, bridge, the neck and the body with a fender tele decal. My guitarist in my band played it and could not believe the quality. The neck is a maple Kmise, and the body came from upstate NY. A very heavy alder. The Body weighed around 8 lbs naked. Pickups were obviously cheap but sound decent. Most electronics came from China obviously as well as bridge and tuners. But final cost was $120. My friend could not believe it. Guitar is beautiful. Frets were decent too. Wish I could post a photo or video. I did post a thread on the tele forum www.tdpri.com/threads/new-build-budget-tele.810093/
Patriot 4ever Totally agree. I have a Chinese copy and it is an amazing guitar.
me too, it's was my #1 guitar to play for about 5 years, until I got a Jem jr and upgraded it w/ a real Floyd, dimarzio's, etc.. but I still play the Chibson LP A LOT, but originally I got it to learn how to redo electronics and hardware knowing it would need it. But once I got it, I was surprised didn't need a lot. I did install a set of Seymours and a roller bridge but that was it, 5 years later, I just replaced the nut and installed locking tuners. (after 5 years the plastic nut finally started to fall apart and the "g and d" string tuners started to slip. but it plays great, feels great, looks amazing and sounds amazing..
Doesn't matter if they're good products. The fact that they are illegal PIRATED goods means you are just encouraging theft and despicable behavior. If these Chinese thieves were able to make legitimately good products and had the integrity to brand them under their own name and create a respectable brand, that is admirable. But do not stoop to the level of praising a culture of dishonest theft and piracy.
true....I mean it's not like most musicians are wealthy, and the biggest market for guitar players is a well priced
decent guitar....big market
Good job in dissecting the 'Gibson'. I really was hoping you would play it and give an opinion on the playing action.
it's been a couple years since I first saw this video. But here's the deal. At the time I was messing around with guitar (before getting serious) and as my first electric, sort of as a "joke" I bought a Chibson. I must have gotten one from the right factory. It needed a good professional fret level and setup, but other than that it was quite nice. Perhaps foolish, I put a set of custom pickups in it and rewired it. Along the way, two years later I bought a genuine Gibson LP Standard, numbered, limited edition. But you know what? Every time I had a gig I grabbed the Chibson. It sounded as good as the genuine. Played as well as the genuine and was 2 pounds lighter than the genuine. Sold the Gibson and have no qualms at all about keeping the Chibson. I can never sell it legally anyway, but that's ok. It's as good as any electric I've ever played. My only (slight) regret is that I didn't order it with a custom label and it says Gibson on the headstock. But you know what? Nobody has ever guessed that it was a fake. In fact, one day I brought it into a Sam Ash and had it side by side with a genuine LP. I asked others to play them both and tell me which they preferred... 2 out of 3 preferred the fake. Sad, but true.
....right on...
It looks like a veneer. At about 12 minutes in, 12:10 or so, on the inside of the pickup cavity that is facing the camera and is facing the same direction as the guy talking, you can see the glue line. He can't see it because it's hidden from him. But, don't forget that some of these guitars have a photo-flame in which photosensitive material is sprayed onto the guitar, a mask put over it, exposed to light, and, boom, flamed maple top out of generic wood. It's amusing to me when you see these imports and in the description of the kind of wood the body is made of, it simply says, "wood."
True .. he's scraping WITH the grain of the wood when he should be against the grain. Same as looking at a sound hole edge on a flat top guitar.. it looks like a solid top until you look at the sides.
When you said about the bridge being on backwards, that used to be a standard Gibson practice. Every 59 I have seen in books etc have their bridges on that way round with the screws pointing toward the headstock.
Freddie Ellis This. My legit Epihpone also has it.
My 56 VOS Goldtop also has the bridge like this.
I agree with that. The screws can be either way. But in this case, the bridge is really on backwards. Look at the grooves in the saddles. The high E string is sitting in the widest groove. The low E in the thinnest.
My 2000 studio has them that way too.
My Gibson LP CB Standard had the saddle adjusters pointing to the headstock too.
Come to think of it, so did my Gibson Flying V....
... And my current (...on the bench project) Hohner L75 (Les Paul copy) is fitted likewise.
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In fact, I've rarely seen 'Tune-o-matics' fitted with the screws facing away from the body...
If one thinks about intonation adjustment, depending upon how low one sets the stop-tail piece, one usually finds that the strings, once over the saddle are at a sharp downward angle. Which makes fine adjustment with a flat-head screwdriver more difficult, because the the sharp angled strings impede access to the screw. With screws fitted on the pickup side, this is not an issue, access is unimpeded, as the strings are obviously level and one can get the screwdriver in position, beneath the string.
Big tell: frets are cut into fingerboard binding; Supreme s, Customs etc. all have frets set into binding and binding notched down between frets.
The point where you mentioned buying Gibson parts brought up a good question to me. Since it's a similar cost... What is more worth it? A £1500 - £2000 imported big name guitar e.g. Gibson... Or to look for a luthier more locally to work with for something truly unique for the same price (you could even use the same hardware)? I know my choice as I have a locally made custom guitar but I'd love to know other people's answers and their reasoning.
However, I wouldn't say those are $4000 worth of discrepancies. Hence, the problem with Gibson and the demand for these fakes.
Aubrey Dana You do know Gibson sells guitars as fast as they can make them right? Let me guess you don’t even own a Gibson? I didn’t think so. Broke ass!
@@Panic42000 Get better at playing guitar instead of getting better at buying them, Blues lawyer
M L Haha!! I actually play three nights a week. I don’t just play in my bedroom like some people. I’m not rich I save my money. I know that’s a crazy concept. Have fun playing your FAKE Gibson.
BenS123 I dont own any Gibsons. I’d buy a PRS or almost anything else before a Gibson. I like them but theyre just way overpriced for what they are. I’d consider buying an older model
@@Panic42000 why would i buy a Gibson when i could buy a Ibanez or a schecter or a PRS or a fender or a literally any other guitar brand...
"Mother of Toilet" ... I about died when he said that. Ha ha
"Mother of toilet seat" LOL
At last, a bloke that looks and sounds like me! Very enjoyable vid. Cheers Ben.
So you finally found out "we are all one."
I think your kid has found your magic marker-beware!!
Yes, this tells me not to fall asleep in front of the TV after a heavy meal that included libations. My bald head will be redecorated by a diaper Da Vinci.
My schecter c-1 platinum has the bridge backwards like that.
When I looked up photos online, they looked like that too.
Why is this? Should I turn it around?
Gibson and Epiphone put them on opposite way from each other. That's my experience from multiple of both I've owned.
I was in the golf equipment business and had sent a Callaway driver back to the manufacturer because the customer said it felt totally different than an exact extra one he had for his northern home. Callaway called me to inform me it was a counterfeit. I couldn't believe it even fooled me.
I admire all your work... and your tools are insane!!! Awesome
This is evil stewie in real life lmao
Why thank you.. Mwuhaha
Perhaps it was a COPY of a failed epiphone pickup.
A "high quality handmade replica of a failed Epiphone pickup at a fraction of the price of a failed Epiphone pickup".
Thanks for this! There is so many music products out there that are fake. I have seen some pretty bad percussion stuff.
Beautiful guitar, I'm glad I'm not picky about my guitars, I just play them
Truth be told - I think it's a brilliant tinkering project. I love getting el cheapo guitars, disassembling them and doing everything that much more expensive guitars have.
By the time I'm done it's still cheaper than the higher spec model, but much more to my own liking.
I just bought a used 2002 Epiphone Les Paul made in Korea, for about $340 shipped w hard case . An incredible guitar. Incredible. You can't go wrong with Epiphone, and you don't have to spend a lot to get a lot. I'd go Epiphone before Chibson, at least you know an Epiphone has some sort of quality control.... Peace Vince
Snagged a 2010 Epi SG a few days ago and I can't stop playing it! I was blown away. $199 with a case!
@@Crowbar11115 if you can get a used epiphone from a quality plant then I can see it. But if Im buying a new epiphone, or a new "chibson", Ill take the chibson for half the price. They are the same guitar. The epiphone MAY have slightly better QC, but anything the chibson needs to be worked on can be done for much less than the difference in price between the 2. That and its not like Epiphones come set up...
I have some nice guitars, among them an Ibanez Artist AS200 & Kramer Baretta 1 (with the headstock inlays). I've priced them both @ ~ 1500 to 2K ea, and my Epiphone Traditional Pro (with probuckers) is every bit as good. Unbeatable gtr for the money.
Korean epiphones are generally better quality than the Chinese epiphones.
Doug625 same, I’ve got a 2012 Epiphone MIk that I absolutely love. One thing not mentioned here is Chibson holes seldom line up or are sized properly if you’re putting in real electronics, though I suspect Chibson buyers are more for show than to play for any duration.
This is taking you back quite a few years... I'm looking at your center line being off a bit I'm looking at a real 🇺🇸 supreme and the center line is more off line then your Chibson here whats up with that thats crazy 🤣 my Gibson Hummingbird same way centerline is off also...weird....🤣 great video! Your one outstanding Luther world's best!!!
8:12. I had to take screenshots of both tuners to see the *bevel* difference you mentioned as I don’t have a the trained eye that you have and it’s abit hard to see. But you make a good point. The gold, brassy ones are fake Grovers.
u have such a gentle voice
I remember my friends Les Paul copy the "humbucker pup's" where in fact single coils in the casing!
+parttroll1 Idon't think they're single coils mate. All all mine are white and black epi "zebra" humbuckers. unpotted pieces of crap. But that's an easy fix. I switch them out for a set of Duncans.. that's all it takes really to make these guitars sound amazing
Damn! I thought a "humbucker" was two single coils connected so as to cancel out the hum!
Edit: Yep. A humbucker is two single coil pickups with the magnets point north as "up" in one single coil pickup, and the other pointing down.
Thanks for your "info", though!
I had a cheap copy with one single coil pickup in a humbucker sized box.
Yeah,I had a copy like that.cant remember the brand.
What stood out to me is how jagged and unregular the light seems to break in the highlights. On smooth curves that should look smoother right? The highlights seem to indicate that the curves on this guitar are very irregular.
It’s extremely interesting to see these “companies” actually get better at building guitars. It was only a matter of time until they started catching up.
While you're chiseling away at the top why not just look at the edge of the pickup hole where the adjustment screw is cleared and you can see the veneer plain as day.
Spudboy182 exactly what I was thinking. A solid flamed maple top on a Chibson smh
they spray paint the tops . That is pine board ... Not Maple. Not even maple top...
@Dave Males Wood grain effect can be applied into the paint, by a skilled faker.
@Dave Males no one is making you buy one... If I wanna buy a chinese knock off ill do just that. That being said, I did order it intentionally unbranded. But I could easily argue you are a fool for spending thousands of dollars more on a guitar that is marginally better... Especially if your Gibson was made in the last decade or so.
He who buys a guitar from these thieves deserves getting ripped off himself.
These are likely "Epiphone's that didn't pass quality tests.
Impossible. Epiphone uses a completely different shape on their headstock.
@@batvette I wonder if they’re Gibsons being passed off as fake?
I went on ebay and was taking a look at some chibsons and would love to see a new review. A lot of the issues like with the bridge and knobs have been corrected. It's hard to get a proper look from the photos but the binding looks good too. They're getting better and better lol
Sad to say, but I have a genuine Gibson with terrible binding work also...
The other sad part about this is that most all of the points raised in the investigation could easily be addressed to make these even more difficult to spot :(
why did you buy it? Does anyone examine before selection???
I have a gibson sg special....and a chibson sg special.....chibson with new pickups....sounded better....this is sad and not ok
"The inlays are mother of toilet seat..." Can I use that quote everytime I describe fake MOP inlays? :D
It is a very old term. The toilet seats, that it refers to, were very popular in the 50s. Danny Gatton uses the term in one of his instructional videos (in the 90s), to describe a Telecaster that was made for Danny in the Fender Custom Shop. That guitar was covered in a mosaic, made of MOTS.
This is an official term, wiedely used since the early 2000's, maybe before. So yeah, feel free.
LOL.
@@boboutelama5748 I heard it in the 90s myself.
Those inlays are an easy to check indicator of substandard construction. Man I laughed out loud. That is funny.
Glad I watched as I will buy a Firefly or Epiphone hollow body soon and will look for these quality issues. I hope that Gibson knows these things and fixes the issues/problems. As far as I know these things get blocked from coming into the Country here in the US. Also Gibson needs to graft the neck joint like Charvel does to lessen the breaks at there. But, yes that seems like a quality issue and it is hard to believe the alignment is off. I let the strings go where they want and don't use a notched bridge pieces but, noticed they come that way now @ Guitar Center. And....nice where the back has a carved look and has a better wood back there as well although the carved look seems to have streaks in it. OMG that was a Epiphone PU wasn't it? That is shield paint material that was scraped off in there. Can't believe people get ripped off buying those. They are prolly unauthorized copies. On the quality issue, a dude just wants to go home, have a beer and smell his feet.
This is a great commercial for Chibsons. I really see nor reason not to buy one now. Thank you sir.
Say what you want about Gibson guitars but I've wanted one for quite some time, saved up my money and finally bought a 2018 Gibson Les Paul Traditional. I love it, it plays incredibly well and is very unique. Very pleased with mine!
I like mine to , it's a gold top . Very good crystal clear chords , good solid bite through my JCM 900 50 watt head , slim tapper 60s neck , what more can a guy ask for.
@@epasternak4206 a 1960 Tribute Epiphone new with '57 Classic Gibson pickups and new case and locking Grovers and series/parallel push/pull tone pots.... for $450 total outlay to my door
I agree 💯 great guitars.
the 2018 models seem to be much better quality than a couple years ago. Hopefully the trend continues and someday when Im good enough to justify the money spent for a real Les Paul there is a quality instrument worth buying out there without having to find an old model.
13:55 in, look at the line on the low E side of pickup cavity- CLEARLY appears to be a veneer
Yeah you are correct. There’s no way they’d use a high grade piece of maple for a cheap piece of shit lol
@@Lamster66 I’m aware of that. However; in contrary, it makes sense Gibson doesn’t use a high grade maple top on a solid painted body. The whole point of using a high grade maple top is so people see the details of the wood.
That's just a little line of varnish or paint, you can see where it stops. Where'd the veneer go where he scraped it then? If it was veneer you would see it even better where he scraped it.
I agree. Even with a razor blade, you're not going to cleanly and effortlessly slice figured maple as you did, even along the grain. You should have sliced across the grain and it would have been apparent that this is veneer and you would easily see the glue line. Also, the proper way to identify the species of wood is examining the end grain with a jeweler's loop.
One sure fire way to see if it’s a maple cap is to check the horn. If I don’t see maple in the horn, then I assume it’s veneer. If it’s not veneer then that means the cap has been so molested I wouldn’t want it. It would have to be as thin as the binding.
I have a real Gibson Root Beer Supreme and all the Chibson videos make me sweat but all good. For those who asked, the chambered body with full piece maple back gives these a better (in my opinion) tone than the solid LPs with chunks taken out for the plastic plates on the back. Love mine and love the video.
I worked in Guitar Shop in Australia and a guy brought in his new Gibson Supreme. It was around 2009 .I noticed a non gibson hard case right away. He was stoked on his guitar and was gloating over it, " I paid over 10 k for this beast" he would say. As soon as he opened the case , there it was , a chinese Chibson Supreme. It was ghastly. The supreme logo on the headstock was totally illegible. I didn't have the heart to tell him he had been duped out of thousands of dollars.
You should have done it. Already happened to one of my customers.
Look it in this way. He could learn it from you, in a safe environment, with a trusted mate, with coffee and a sofa to sit on and cry.
Or he could learn it from a guitar geek at one of his show,s with 100 peoples around him laughing at him and pointing fingers at him, and filming him crying before posting the vid on youtube "idiot bought a fake Gibson and boasts about it before crying like a baby"....
... which one would you want for yourself if that happenned ?
guys guys, he still didn't tell his Father he's a homosexual, babysteps. he'll get there.
OMG that is terrible to learn. I feel so bad for this guy. I hope that his money was not hard- earned. I washed dishes in high school for my first guitar, and it was stolen by a supposed "friend". I hope that he was a tech millionaire with money to burn.
You should have told him. He could have tried to get his money back.
I'm with the others, you've got to be honest.
I'd take that fake anyday, it has a great wood, so I would only slap in a couple of gibson burstbuckers, gotoh tuners, bridge, potetiometers and 3-way switch and would have a kick ass guitar to play @ home.
I mean, I can see how it's wrong to sell those fakes as an original gibson, this is absolutely wrong, but to have this as a cheap project guitar to play at home is something I can vouch for. (I would as them to write CHIBSON on the headstock, would look great xD)
So? And if the Chinese used wood which is protected by CITES? The US Customs will tear your a** apart. The Chinese give a shit about severe deforestation, they are the cause.
All it'll end up being is just a wall-hanger when the totally unseasoned wood starts to warp and makes it totally unplayable.
I cannot believe that you watch this video and see the faults of this guitar. Then come away believing that this SUPREME P.O.S.would make a decent guitar. These guitars are total trash. Just find a decent lower priced guitar.
Better add a refret and some way to fill those massive body cavities to your long list of fixes! And the wood looks like basswood, with a micro-thin veneer, IMO.
Can't beat a good wood!!!
Next vlog is 100 things you can do with a sharpie when you’re drunk 😂
I can't stop thinking about how your head tattoo session went...
if i were to just hear you speak i never would guess you have tattoos all over your head. lol
I like dichotomy in all things, thanks for your support!
+Robert Weeks I like dichotomy in all things too. Can I have a medal please?
Tatts are no longer being sported by bikers and rough types. Everyone has them nowadays, even my 40 year old eldest daughter and good luck to her and anyone else feels like a tattoo. I might get one too I'm 64 and a crappy musician now that's two good reasons to mark up my skin. Oh yes,..also mine won't fade before I'm dead..
He also sounds taller
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